(question) cost of something
gu...@mail.goo.ne.jp
I have two questions regarding cost of things.
While the Path of Bones is in play, Baldesar Rossellini is equipping
some kewl stuff which requires necromancy and costs 3 blood.
If I use Baldesar's ability, the cost of the equipment is reduced by 1
blood. Can I play 'kewl stuff' with Baldesar even if he only has 2
blood? I think the answer is yes as long as I announce the usage of
his special.
Also, above argument has nothing to do with Path of Bones because the
Path does not change the actual cost of the 'kewl stuff'. Baldesar,
in effect, only pays 1 blood, but he cannot play the 'kewl stuff' when
he only has 1 blood. Is this correct?
regards,
jcrossn...@gmail.com
> some kewl stuff which requires necromancy and costs 3 blood.
No so such kewl stuff currently exists, but I'll go with you for the
sake of argument.
> If I use Baldesar's ability, the cost of the equipment is reduced by 1
> blood. Can I play 'kewl stuff' with Baldesar even if he only has 2
> blood? I think the answer is yes as long as I announce the usage of
> his special.
Yes. His ability reduces the cost up front. However, the same also
goes for alternate payment methods such as Ravnos Carnival.
> Also, above argument has nothing to do with Path of Bones because the
> Path does not change the actual cost of the 'kewl stuff'. Baldesar,
> in effect, only pays 1 blood, but he cannot play the 'kewl stuff' when
> he only has 1 blood. Is this correct?
Path of Bone does reduce cost. It just has bad wording from its
printing in Final Nights. The text should be parallel to the most
recent printings of the Sabbat paths in 3rd Edition.
Jesse
ira...@gmail.com
> > If I use Baldesar's ability, the cost of the equipment is reduced by 1
> > blood. Can I play 'kewl stuff' with Baldesar even if he only has 2
> > blood? I think the answer is yes as long as I announce the usage of
> > his special.
>
> Yes. His ability reduces the cost up front.
That is not exactly correct. Baldesar's ability only kicks in when
the cost is being paid, not when the action is declared. So you can
(must?) wait to see if your equip action is successful before
declaring the use of his ability.
Here's the thread where I asked LSJ that exact question:
http://tinyurl.com/yswx2s
That said, you're right that you could still take the action with only
2 blood. I'm pretty sure if Path of Bone is in play, could take the
action with only 1 blood.
Ira
The Name Forgotten
You need to be able to meet the cost requirements of a card when you
announce the action, and this includes any method of reducing/paying
for the cost that's on the table - such as Fatuus Mastery, Sunset
Strip, Hollywood, or Powerbase:Tswane - but you do need to announce
such use (and tap the cards where necessary).
Check LSJ's comments on a similar example with Sunset Strip here:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/0d864a349c3a8dcd
So you'd need to announce the use of Baldesar's ability when you start
the action (IF you need it to afford the cost) - you won't be able to
wait until resolution (in case the action fails) and then announce
using his ability in this situation.
Also note, if you play modifiers that cause you to no longer be able
to pay the cost, then the action fizzles (if it reaches resolution
without being blocked) and as much of the cost as the minion can must
be paid.
The Name Forgotten
>
> > > If I use Baldesar's ability, the cost of the equipment is reduced by 1
> > > blood. Can I play 'kewl stuff' with Baldesar even if he only has 2
> > > blood? I think the answer is yes as long as I announce the usage of
> > > his special.
>
> > Yes. His ability reduces the cost up front.
>
> That is not exactly correct. Baldesar's ability only kicks in when
> the cost is being paid, not when the action is declared. So you can
> (must?) wait to see if your equip action is successful before
> declaring the use of his ability.
>
Both of these viewpoints seem to be incomplete.
Baldesar can be used to reduce the cost up front (such as in the case
where it is necessary to make the action playable), but also when the
cost is being paid - at least, from my understanding of LSJ's rulings.
Maybe LSJ should chip in at this point, because the two examples of
quoted text could be seen to contradict each other, perhaps a
clarification is in order?
LSJ
The link Ira gave has the clarification (I'd call it a ruling, though).
Baldesar's ability is used when the cost is paid.
gu...@mail.goo.ne.jp
Reading all the replies (thx everyone!), I guess I have the
following.
Baldesar only have 1 blood, but he announces to equip with the
kewl stuff anyway. I am not specifying the usage of his special
yet.
Nobody blocks. At resolution, I will choose to use his special
together with the reduction from the Path, burning only 1 blood.
So, Baldesar can play cards which have exceeding blood cost as long
as
I know that he is paying less blood in effect.
Hmmm, okies.