1.6.1 (1) playing cards {lsj}
SPORE
set the situation. i oust my prey. he sticks around. we go around
the table again. i'm holding 2 sudden reversals, watching my new prey
intently. he moves blood for his hunting ground. he pauses,
thinking....
my old ousted prey decides to take back his jake washington that i'd
entranced. i get a proxy and put it into play, but not without some
rattling and discussion. i look back to my new prey, and he has a huge
handful of cards. i look down and he has a dreams of the sphinx in
play, and he's already tapped it to draw cards. i missed him playing
it, paying for it, and tapping it to draw cards in a fairly short
period of time. the combination of not-quite-stalling and
not-quite-quickplaying (seeming opposites) has let him take advantage
of some my-fault (talking) and some not-my-fault (card exchange with
leaving methuselah) distractions. i say i want to sudden it, because
he didn't even announce he was playing the DotS. h e says you don't
have to announce the card. so off to the rulebook, and... we both seem
correct... (oh no!)
his side: "a card is played by placing it face up in the playing area
or by showing it to the other players and placing it face up in the ash
heap." since he played it face up in the playing area, it was my
responsibility to notice...
followed immediately by: "the player completely declares the effect of
the card when it is played." instead of reading the whole card each
time, when i play a c ard, i say what it is and if someone probably
doesn't know what it is, i ask them if they know what it is. if not, i
either let them read it or i read it to them, their choice. this seems
only fair to me, and non-optional, similar to offering a chance t o su
dden or block to someone who was momentarily out of the room for
bathroom or drink-gathering. if i'd been out of the room, i'd ask what
happened, and would get the chance to sudden; in fact, he couldn't have
tapped it to draw cards without that option be ing given to me first.
to his view, that sentence only means immediate effects, such as
targets or amounts of blood from a minion tap, etc. on DotS, nothing
like that is required when it comes into play; its only "effect" is
entering play, which, again, he says doesn't require "announcement" of
any kind. there is also no rule that we could find covering the use of
in-play effects requiring announcement. if you tap a DotS and start
drawing cards, it's obvious what use you're using. so pay atten
tion...
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this can come up in a thousand different scenarios. i tried googling,
without luck.
clarification, please. what is "declares the effect of the card when
it is played"? and what is the rule on in-play effects and announcing?
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-johnsporee
LSJ
> a basic rule interpretation difference popped up, and i think i need to
> set the situation. i oust my prey. he sticks around. we go around
> the table again. i'm holding 2 sudden reversals, watching my new prey
> intently. he moves blood for his hunting ground. he pauses,
> thinking....
> my old ousted prey decides to take back his jake washington that i'd
> entranced. i get a proxy and put it into play, but not without some
> rattling and discussion. i look back to my new prey, and he has a huge
> handful of cards. i look down and he has a dreams of the sphinx in
> play, and he's already tapped it to draw cards. i missed him playing
> it, paying for it, and tapping it to draw cards in a fairly short
> period of time. the combination of not-quite-stalling and
> not-quite-quickplaying (seeming opposites) has let him take advantage
> of some my-fault (talking) and some not-my-fault (card exchange with
> leaving methuselah) distractions. i say i want to sudden it, because
> he didn't even announce he was playing the DotS. h e says you don't
> have to announce the card. so off to the rulebook, and... we both seem
> correct... (oh no!)
There is no "Sneak" phase.
> his side: "a card is played by placing it face up in the playing area
> or by showing it to the other players and placing it face up in the ash
> heap." since he played it face up in the playing area, it was my
> responsibility to notice...
It is his responsibilty to make all players aware of all
effects that he plays/uses.
> followed immediately by: "the player completely declares the effect of
> the card when it is played." instead of reading the whole card each
> time, when i play a c ard, i say what it is and if someone probably
> doesn't know what it is, i ask them if they know what it is. if not, i
> either let them read it or i read it to them, their choice. this seems
So long as the play is made know to all players in a manner agreeable
to all players, you're fine.
> only fair to me, and non-optional, similar to offering a chance t o su
> dden or block to someone who was momentarily out of the room for
> bathroom or drink-gathering. if i'd been out of the room, i'd ask what
> happened, and would get the chance to sudden; in fact, he couldn't have
> tapped it to draw cards without that option be ing given to me first.
> to his view, that sentence only means immediate effects, such as
> targets or amounts of blood from a minion tap, etc. on DotS, nothing
> like that is required when it comes into play; its only "effect" is
> entering play, which, again, he says doesn't require "announcement" of
> any kind. there is also no rule that we could find covering the use of
> in-play effects requiring announcement. if you tap a DotS and start
> drawing cards, it's obvious what use you're using. so pay atten
> tion...
> -
> this can come up in a thousand different scenarios. i tried googling,
> without luck.
> clarification, please. what is "declares the effect of the card when
> it is played"? and what is the rule on in-play effects and announcing?
Declare everything.
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