Dodge vs. Unholy Penance

Wookie813

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Oct 22, 2007, 7:38:33 PM10/22/07

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Looking for confirmation that a dodge will avoid the unnecessarily
mean effect of UP superior.
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Unholy Penance
Cardtype: Combat
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Presence
[pre] Strike: combat ends.
[PRE] As above, and put this card on the opposing minion (ranged). The
striking vampire gets +1 bleed against this minion's controller. This
minion may burn this card as a +1 stealth action. A minion can have
only one Unholy Penance.

LSJ

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Oct 22, 2007, 7:57:03 PM10/22/07

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Yes, dodge protects the dodging minion.

XZealot

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Oct 22, 2007, 7:59:58 PM10/22/07

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It's true. It's in the rulebook in section 6.4.5

Dodge. A dodge strike deals no damage, but *** it protects the dodging
minion and his possessions from the effects of the opposing strike***.
Retainers are not protected, however. A dodge is effective at any
range. A dodge protects even from the effects of a strike done with
first strike. (A dodge is a strike, even though it is solely
defensive. It represents the activity of the minion during that pair
of strikes.)

Comments Welcome,
Norman S. Brown, Jr
XZealot
Archon of the Swamp

Wookie813

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Oct 22, 2007, 10:48:00 PM10/22/07

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>>>LSJ & XZealot confirmed

Thanks guys. I just want to be able to say "I checked on the
Newsgroup" if I have to. I appreciate your bothering with me!

Kozkak

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Oct 23, 2007, 3:26:25 AM10/23/07

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"Dodge. A dodge strike deals no damage, but *** it protects the
dodging
minion and his possessions from the effects of the opposing
strike***.
Retainers are not protected, however. A dodge is effective at any
range. A dodge protects even from the effects of a strike done with
first strike. (A dodge is a strike, even though it is solely
defensive. It represents the activity of the minion during that pair
of strikes.)"

I was thinking that under this definition, combat shouldn't end with a
dodged Anesthetic Touch, is that right?

I mean, I thought (I think I read it somewhere) that even if you
dodged the AT combat would end, but it seems that ending combat it's
an effect and since you're dodging then you're protected and combat
shouldn't end, but I'm not sure anymore.

Anesthetic Touch, Combat, Obeah/Auspex, C1 , [Bloodlines:C1]
Only usable at close range. [aus] Strike: dodge. [obe] Strike: make a
hand strike. Combat ends immediately after the resolution of this
strike. [OBE] As [obe] above, with First Strike.

Wookie813

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Oct 23, 2007, 3:40:11 AM10/23/07

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I think the legalese on this is that the S:CE effect is not directed
at the opposing minion. It is a global effect, and cannot be dodged -
just like the untap clause on Majesty is not lost if the opponent
dodges. Only effects that apply to the opposing minion are avoided by
Strike: Dodge.

James Coupe

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Oct 23, 2007, 3:54:35 AM10/23/07

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In message <1193125211.3...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Wookie813 <veknp...@yahoo.com> writes:
<using Dodge to avoid the combat ends effect of Anesthetic Touch>

>I think the legalese on this is that the S:CE effect is not directed
>at the opposing minion. It is a global effect, and cannot be dodged -
>just like the untap clause on Majesty is not lost if the opponent
>dodges. Only effects that apply to the opposing minion are avoided by
>Strike: Dodge.

Correct.

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