Inscription + Pier 13/MotS LSJ
Blooded Sand
place it and a Tha card onto one of my other minions, eg Smudge?
Inscription
Type: Equipment
Requires: Thaumaturgy
Equipment.
[tha] Put this equipment on a ready vampire and put a card that
requires Thaumaturgy from your hand on it (face up, out of play; this
acting vampire pays the cost of that card). The vampire with this
equipment can burn this equipment to use the basic Thaumaturgy ability
of that card.
[THA] As above, but the vampire can use the superior Thaumaturgy
ability of the card.
Pier 13, Port of Baltimore
Type: Equipment
Cost: 2 blood
This equipment card represents a unique location and does not count as
equipment while in play.
During your influence phase, this minion may equip with a non-
location, non-unique equipment card from your hand (requirements and
cost apply as normal). This is not an action and cannot be blocked.
Magic of the Smith
Type: Action
Requires: Thaumaturgy
Cost: 1 blood
+1 stealth action.
[tha] Search your library for an equipment card and equip this acting
vampire with it (requirements and cost apply as normal). Shuffle
afterward.
[THA] As above, but this is a +3 stealth action.
floppyzedolfin
> If Carna has Pier 13, can she equip an inscription via Pier 13 and
> place it and a Tha card onto one of my other minions, eg Smudge?
I think Carna gets the Inscription.
This is very much similar to http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/c45f41cc1ed2d803
LSJ
> If Carna has Pier 13, can she equip an inscription via Pier 13 and
> place it and a Tha card onto one of my other minions, eg Smudge?
No. She'd place the Inscription on herself.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/c7d32f1d28c1497e
Blooded Sand
> Blooded Sand wrote:
> > If Carna has Pier 13, can she equip an inscription via Pier 13 and
> > place it and a Tha card onto one of my other minions, eg Smudge?
>
> No. She'd place the Inscription on herself.
>
I don't quite see how that holds water. The effect of Pier 13 is an
equip effect, not place, thus all requirements needed for the
equipment have to be met. The text on the equipment itself states
place this on a ready vampire. it does not state if thee action is
successful, it is just card text. So why would it be placed on Carna?
ben...@gmail.com
> I don't quite see how that holds water. The effect of Pier 13 is an
> equip effect, not place, thus all requirements needed for the
> equipment have to be met. The text on the equipment itself states
> place this on a ready vampire. it does not state if thee action is
> successful, it is just card text. So why would it be placed on Carna?
Pier 13 says:
"During your influence phase, this minion may equip with a non-
location, non-unique equipment card from your hand (requirements and
cost apply as normal). This is not an action and cannot be blocked."
THIS minion may equip. Not any other minion. THIS minion.
Also remember that Inscription is an action card. The result of a
successful Inscription action is to place the Inscription on a ready
vampire. Equipping via Pier 13 is NOT AN ACTION, so equipping via
Pier 13 does not mean that you resolve a successful Inscription
action.
- Ben Peal
floppyzedolfin
> Blooded Sand wrote:
> > I don't quite see how that holds water. The effect of Pier 13 is an
> > equip effect, not place, thus all requirements needed for the
> > equipment have to be met. The text on the equipment itself states
> > place this on a ready vampire. it does not state if thee action is
> > successful, it is just card text. So why would it be placed on Carna?
>
> Pier 13 says:
>
> "During your influence phase, this minion may equip with a non-
> location, non-unique equipment card from your hand (requirements and
> cost apply as normal). This is not an action and cannot be blocked."
>
> THIS minion may equip. Not any other minion. THIS minion.
I agree with that.
> Also remember that Inscription is an action card. The result of a
> successful Inscription action is to place the Inscription on a ready
> vampire. Equipping via Pier 13 is NOT AN ACTION, so equipping via
> Pier 13 does not mean that you resolve a successful Inscription
> action.
But I disagree with that : see
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/25e6e640cd8b8485
> - Ben Peal
Blooded Sand
> > I don't quite see how that holds water. The effect of Pier 13 is an
> > equip effect, not place, thus all requirements needed for the
> > equipment have to be met. The text on the equipment itself states
> > place this on a ready vampire. it does not state if thee action is
> > successful, it is just card text. So why would it be placed on Carna?
>
> Pier 13 says:
>
> "During your influence phase, this minion may equip with a non-
> location, non-unique equipment card from your hand (requirements and
> cost apply as normal). This is not an action and cannot be blocked."
>
> THIS minion may equip. Not any other minion. THIS minion.
>
> Also remember that Inscription is an action card.
Actually Ben, Iunscription is an equipment card. Granted, that is a
subset of action cards, but it is still an equipment card
Blooded Sand
> > I don't quite see how that holds water. The effect of Pier 13 is an
> > equip effect, not place, thus all requirements needed for the
> > equipment have to be met. The text on the equipment itself states
> > place this on a ready vampire. it does not state if thee action is
> > successful, it is just card text. So why would it be placed on Carna?
>
> Pier 13 says:
>
> "During your influence phase, this minion may equip with a non-
> location, non-unique equipment card from your hand (requirements and
> cost apply as normal). This is not an action and cannot be blocked."
>
> THIS minion may equip. Not any other minion. THIS minion.
acting minion? A single one? Which is where the whole point that it is
an action becomes somewhat redundant to me.
>
> Also remember that Inscription is an action card. The result of a
> successful Inscription action is to place the Inscription on a ready
> vampire. Equipping via Pier 13 is NOT AN ACTION, so equipping via
> Pier 13 does not mean that you resolve a successful Inscription
> action.
See point above. It is not an action. So if you had an equipment that
said "when this equipment is equipped, place it on a minion" pier 13
would not work? even though it explicitly states that the minion does
EQUIP with the item?
>
> - Ben Peal
D.J.
> Correct. Any other equip action you can think which does not equip the
> acting minion? A single one?
Bloodstone. (Which helpfully also contains reminder text about
stealth and D actions that implies that placing it onto another minion
is part of equipping it as an action.)
> See point above. It is not an action.
Sure it is. The fact that it's equipment doesn't stop it from being
an action.
> So if you had an equipment that
> said "when this equipment is equipped, place it on a minion" pier 13
> would not work? even though it explicitly states that the minion does
> EQUIP with the item?
I'd guess that that specific text *might* be sufficient to allow you
to Pier13 the item, because it would trigger when the item was
equipped and move it to another minion.
Given that that's not at all what Inscription (and Bloodstone) say,
it's kind of a straw-man, moot-point discussion.
- D.J.
John Flournoy
> On May 6, 2:59 pm, benp...@gmail.com wrote:> Blooded Sand wrote:
> > > I don't quite see how that holds water. The effect of Pier 13 is an
> > > equip effect, not place, thus all requirements needed for the
> > > equipment have to be met. The text on the equipment itself states
> > > place this on a ready vampire. it does not state if thee action is
> > > successful, it is just card text. So why would it be placed on Carna?
>
> > Pier 13 says:
>
> > "During your influence phase, this minion may equip with a non-
> > location, non-unique equipment card from your hand (requirements and
> > cost apply as normal). This is not an action and cannot be blocked."
>
> > THIS minion may equip. Not any other minion. THIS minion.
>
> Correct. Any other equip action you can think which does not equip the
> acting minion? A single one? Which is where the whole point that it is
> an action becomes somewhat redundant to me.
Another equipment/equip action that doesn't go on the acting minion
would be Bloodstone.
(The primary parallel used in previous threads is using Pack Alpha to
play Swarm, which also doesn't get to be placed on any minion because
it isn't coming into play as an action.)
> > Also remember that Inscription is an action card. The result of a
> > successful Inscription action is to place the Inscription on a ready
> > vampire. Equipping via Pier 13 is NOT AN ACTION, so equipping via
> > Pier 13 does not mean that you resolve a successful Inscription
> > action.
>
> See point above. It is not an action. So if you had an equipment that
> said "when this equipment is equipped, place it on a minion" pier 13
> would not work? even though it explicitly states that the minion does
> EQUIP with the item?
There's a difference between "is equipped" and "is equipped as an
equip action". It is possible to be equipped without being an action,
obviously, due to Pier 13's explicit wording to this effect.
If you had an equipment that said "when this equipment is equipped,
place it on a minion" Pier 13 would absolutely work.
It doesn't work with Bloodstone or Inscription because their 'place on
a minion' is not specifically 'when (merely) equipped'.
> - Ben Peal
-John Flournoy
floppyzedolfin
> If you had an equipment that said "when this equipment is equipped,
> place it on a minion" Pier 13 would absolutely work.
You can use the Helicopter example here : Helicopter is tapped when
equipped via Pier13.