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  <title type="text">rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad Google Group</title>
  <subtitle type="text">
  Jyhad trading card game discussions.
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  <updated>2009-11-24T23:12:17Z</updated>
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  <author>
  <name>Brum</name>
  <email>tiago.br...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-24T23:12:17Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/f2f8eb69960a69b8/48974b4667faef8c?show_docid=48974b4667faef8c</id>
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  <title type="text">Re: Watenda vs. Adana de Sforza</title>
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  For Adana, yes. &lt;br&gt; But Watenda&#39;s card text tells us that he pays the same cost as the &lt;br&gt; opposing minion. Adana doesn&#39;t make it cheaper for other minions in &lt;br&gt; combat with her. Her cardtext is very specific in that. &amp;quot;Combat cards &lt;br&gt; cost Adana 1 less blood.&amp;quot; &lt;br&gt; Watenda: &amp;quot;...a combat card the opposing minion plays by burning an
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>echiang777@yahoo.com</name>
  <email>echiang...@yahoo.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-24T23:11:50Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/e0e9cb6025fd3782/4ea388bfa844263e?show_docid=4ea388bfa844263e</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/e0e9cb6025fd3782/4ea388bfa844263e?show_docid=4ea388bfa844263e"/>
  <title type="text">Re: VEKN Rules Questions</title>
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  Yeah, but I&#39;m still hoping that one day they will add the option where &lt;br&gt; everyone gets a random Jyhad starter and then you can draft boosters. &lt;br&gt; Right now, with Jyhad starters and Any boosters, you either have to &lt;br&gt; draft the Jyhad starter as a starter or not draft any of the boosters &lt;br&gt; (straight sealed).
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Kevin M.</name>
  <email>youw...@imaspammer.org</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-24T23:05:34Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/e0e9cb6025fd3782/e9ad404e49215259?show_docid=e9ad404e49215259</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/e0e9cb6025fd3782/e9ad404e49215259?show_docid=e9ad404e49215259"/>
  <title type="text">Re: VEKN Rules Questions</title>
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  [snip 1.4.1 rule and discussion] &lt;br&gt; Since the beginning of the game, and even when the JYHAD backs &lt;br&gt; got changed to V:TES backs, in all the places I have ever played, &lt;br&gt; I have never encountered a single player, judge, or T.O. who said &lt;br&gt; anything about mixed backs. &lt;br&gt; For what it&#39;s worth. ;) &lt;br&gt; Again, in all the tournaments I have ever played in or run,
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Juggernaut1981</name>
  <email>brasscompo...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-24T22:58:11Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/f15fb4f86f5c3190/966f3be5124fa3ca?show_docid=966f3be5124fa3ca</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/f15fb4f86f5c3190/966f3be5124fa3ca?show_docid=966f3be5124fa3ca"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Spying Mission vs Telepathic Counter</title>
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  JH, &lt;br&gt; Don&#39;t forget that if a bleed action is for a total of 0 or less it is &lt;br&gt; an unsuccessful BLEED but still is a successful action. So Spying &lt;br&gt; Mission will not &amp;quot;autoburn&amp;quot; unless the bleed action resolves for 1 or &lt;br&gt; more. &lt;br&gt; Spying Mission &lt;br&gt; Type: Action Modifier &lt;br&gt; Requires: Obfuscate &lt;br&gt; [obf] +1 stealth. &lt;br&gt; [OBF] Only usable when a bleed would be successful. The bleed burns no
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Kevin M.</name>
  <email>youw...@imaspammer.org</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-24T22:56:55Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/461543a11f328820/6e779682242858be?show_docid=6e779682242858be</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/461543a11f328820/6e779682242858be?show_docid=6e779682242858be"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Public Announcement: All TWD in Ann Arbor Michigan will be published within 72 hours.</title>
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  I have published the winning constructed decklists for 10 years. &lt;br&gt; I&#39;m not going to publish limited event decklists, for the same reason &lt;br&gt; that the official WW cardlist doesn&#39;t list draft effects. &lt;br&gt; The winner of the event may wish to post their draft deck, of course. &lt;br&gt; Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas &lt;br&gt; &amp;quot;Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Juggernaut1981</name>
  <email>brasscompo...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-24T22:48:14Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/2e2717542a598411/4301614b332fd64f?show_docid=4301614b332fd64f</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/2e2717542a598411/4301614b332fd64f?show_docid=4301614b332fd64f"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Holy Divers</title>
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  I heavily suspect that AUS-FOR or AUS-(prevent) will shred this deck.
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Juggernaut1981</name>
  <email>brasscompo...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-24T22:42:09Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/e0e9cb6025fd3782/54bfc7f5ac27e5e6?show_docid=54bfc7f5ac27e5e6</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/e0e9cb6025fd3782/54bfc7f5ac27e5e6?show_docid=54bfc7f5ac27e5e6"/>
  <title type="text">Re: VEKN Rules Questions</title>
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  [snip] &lt;br&gt; If you can&#39;t basically obscure the card from yourself (like with the &lt;br&gt; Jyhad-only cards), then you need to use sleeves that will obscure the &lt;br&gt; card back. Either way, the core of this rule is: you should not be &lt;br&gt; able to guess your next card. You either know it (from some in-game &lt;br&gt; effect) or you don&#39;t know it (or maybe it&#39;s the only card left).
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>echiang777@yahoo.com</name>
  <email>echiang...@yahoo.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-24T22:16:09Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/41dd454e17d75e87/5d0ce450e77dee5e?show_docid=5d0ce450e77dee5e</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/41dd454e17d75e87/5d0ce450e77dee5e?show_docid=5d0ce450e77dee5e"/>
  <title type="text">Re: EC draft</title>
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  Some honesty, for once! How refreshing!
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>echiang777@yahoo.com</name>
  <email>echiang...@yahoo.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-24T22:15:02Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/e0e9cb6025fd3782/8ee7dfc90363ec80?show_docid=8ee7dfc90363ec80</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/e0e9cb6025fd3782/8ee7dfc90363ec80?show_docid=8ee7dfc90363ec80"/>
  <title type="text">VEKN Rules Questions</title>
  <summary type="html" xml:space="preserve">
  I was going over the VEKN Rules and found a few oddities that I was &lt;br&gt; hoping to get some clarification on: &lt;br&gt; All cards in a player&#39;s deck must be genuine Vampire: The Eternal &lt;br&gt; Struggle or Jyhad cards. &lt;br&gt; If cards with distinct backs are used in the same deck (e.g., Jyhad &lt;br&gt; and Vampire: The Eternal Struggle cards, or upside-down 3rd Edition
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Matthew T. Morgan</name>
  <email>farq...@io.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-24T21:49:42Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/41dd454e17d75e87/50c02b3530366499?show_docid=50c02b3530366499</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/41dd454e17d75e87/50c02b3530366499?show_docid=50c02b3530366499"/>
  <title type="text">Re: EC draft</title>
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  Okay, you caught me. The deck I played contained 52 cards and we drafted &lt;br&gt; 9 packs of KoT, so that&#39;s 47 cards unaccounted for. The truth, and I &lt;br&gt; didn&#39;t want to embarass my fellow players, but now you force me to, is &lt;br&gt; that the unplayed cards were all Enkil Cogs (15), Unmaskings (12), &lt;br&gt; Embraces (14, not counting the one that slipped into my deck) and Jake
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>echiang777@yahoo.com</name>
  <email>echiang...@yahoo.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-24T21:40:04Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/461543a11f328820/90c85efff5f70b6c?show_docid=90c85efff5f70b6c</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/461543a11f328820/90c85efff5f70b6c?show_docid=90c85efff5f70b6c"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Public Announcement: All TWD in Ann Arbor Michigan will be published within 72 hours.</title>
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  And finally, if you want to get nitpicky about the rules: &lt;br&gt; 1.6. Publishing Event Information &lt;br&gt; White Wolf, Inc. reserves the right to publish event information such &lt;br&gt; as the contents of any player&#39;s deck as well as transcripts or video &lt;br&gt; reproductions of any sanctioned tournament. The tournament organizer &lt;br&gt; is also permitted to publish event information.
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Orpheus</name>
  <email>orpheus...@nospamfree.fr</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-24T21:35:00Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/fbfe6e58d4fc278e/464eaa843573ba47?show_docid=464eaa843573ba47</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/fbfe6e58d4fc278e/464eaa843573ba47?show_docid=464eaa843573ba47"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Best new VTES Song I heard today</title>
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  Ben ? &lt;br&gt; You&#39;re sick, man !! &lt;br&gt; Laughed my ass out. Now gotta get me a new one. &lt;br&gt; Go hear that stuff mates !
  </summary>
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>echiang777@yahoo.com</name>
  <email>echiang...@yahoo.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-24T21:33:08Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/461543a11f328820/9f1405282e17228f?show_docid=9f1405282e17228f</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/461543a11f328820/9f1405282e17228f?show_docid=9f1405282e17228f"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Public Announcement: All TWD in Ann Arbor Michigan will be published within 72 hours.</title>
  <summary type="html" xml:space="preserve">
  Furthermore. In the case of 1.6: &lt;br&gt; 1.6. Publishing Event Information &lt;br&gt; White Wolf, Inc. reserves the right to publish event information such &lt;br&gt; as the contents of any player&#39;s deck as well as transcripts or video &lt;br&gt; reproductions of any sanctioned tournament. The tournament organizer &lt;br&gt; is also permitted to publish event information.
  </summary>
  </entry>
  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>echiang777@yahoo.com</name>
  <email>echiang...@yahoo.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-24T21:29:38Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/461543a11f328820/650feb6630d539e9?show_docid=650feb6630d539e9</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/461543a11f328820/650feb6630d539e9?show_docid=650feb6630d539e9"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Public Announcement: All TWD in Ann Arbor Michigan will be published within 72 hours.</title>
  <summary type="html" xml:space="preserve">
  Yes, but VEKN 1.7 largely makes it a frivolous exercise: &lt;br&gt; 1.7. Document Updates &lt;br&gt; The V:EKN reserves the right to alter these rules as well as the right &lt;br&gt; to interpret, modify, clarify, or otherwise issue official changes to &lt;br&gt; these rules, with or without prior notice. &lt;br&gt; Even if you do carefully memorize the VEKN rules, they can be abruptly
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  </entry>
  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>echiang777@yahoo.com</name>
  <email>echiang...@yahoo.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-24T21:06:30Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/461543a11f328820/626dd1924c3d7500?show_docid=626dd1924c3d7500</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/461543a11f328820/626dd1924c3d7500?show_docid=626dd1924c3d7500"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Public Announcement: All TWD in Ann Arbor Michigan will be published within 72 hours.</title>
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  This is all delightful news! I very much look forward to seeing all &lt;br&gt; the winning deck lists, particular for the following events: &lt;br&gt; - Constructed events with less than 10 players (I really wanna see the &lt;br&gt; winners of those 4-player tourneys!) &lt;br&gt; - Limited events (don&#39;t forget proper decklists include ALL cards that
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