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  <title type="text">rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad Google Group</title>
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  Jyhad trading card game discussions.
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  <updated>2009-07-09T18:50:37Z</updated>
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  <author>
  <name>Chris Berger</name>
  <email>ark...@ugcs.caltech.edu</email>
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  <updated>2009-07-09T18:50:37Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Anima Gathering vamp burned [LSJ]</title>
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  Not sure it&#39;s worth putting 2 skill cards on him, because you still &lt;br&gt; need a way to fill him up every turn. The problem is more in the fact &lt;br&gt; that if Yavu goes down during another player&#39;s turn, he won&#39;t come &lt;br&gt; back out until the end of your next turn, making the +bleed somewhat &lt;br&gt; moot, and the +int only useful until he cancels an action. Also,
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  <author>
  <name>Malone</name>
  <email>kffos...@indiana.edu</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-09T18:44:56Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: eBay Villein madness</title>
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  There&#39;s about a 41% chance that a box will contain neither a Cog nor a &lt;br&gt; Monastery... &lt;br&gt; Personally, I would not trade 2 Villeins for either of those cards &lt;br&gt; because I will soon, or at least eventually, have enough Cogs, I &lt;br&gt; probably already have enough Monasteries (is that really considered a &lt;br&gt; great card?), but unless it&#39;s in some starters it will be *years*
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  <author>
  <name>Rehlow</name>
  <email>newsgr...@rehlow.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-09T17:49:28Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Anima Gathering vamp burned [LSJ]</title>
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  I always knew there would be some way to really take advantage of that &lt;br&gt; special. With 2 skill cards if Yavu is full before going to &lt;br&gt; uncontrolled he will still have 8 blood and be able to come back into &lt;br&gt; play without spending any pool. :) &lt;br&gt; I don&#39;t think I&#39;ll be able to resist making this deck. &lt;br&gt; Later, &lt;br&gt; ~Rehlow
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  <author>
  <name>Peter D Bakija</name>
  <email>p...@lightlink.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-09T17:30:40Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: eBay Villein madness</title>
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  As opposed to paying $50.00+ for two of them? Sure. That strikes me as &lt;br&gt; far more sane--buy a box of KoT. Swap some good rares for Villeins. &lt;br&gt; You have some Villeins and a lot of other good stuff too. &lt;br&gt; Listen. I&#39;m not saying that Villein should not be reprinted. Clearly, &lt;br&gt; the next starter set should come with 2 in each deck. But the
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  <author>
  <name>suoli</name>
  <email>suoliruse...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-09T15:50:10Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: LSJ- 9.1 Victory Points</title>
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  If a rules change would be futile it would be because the confusion/ &lt;br&gt; benefit ratio is unfavorable, not because it wouldn&#39;t be fool proof. &lt;br&gt; Replacing a loophole with a smaller loophole is not useless.
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  <author>
  <name>Johannes Walch</name>
  <email>johannes.wa...@vekn.de</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-09T15:29:21Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: LSJ- 9.1 Victory Points</title>
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  Johann von Doom schrieb: &lt;br&gt; Another favorite: &amp;quot;Why are you putting that temptation on me &lt;br&gt; crosstable?&amp;quot; - &amp;quot;Just for security&amp;quot;. &lt;br&gt; It doesnt! You just have to rush quickly enough so your predator cant do &lt;br&gt; anything at all. Do it 4 times and you have GW 2VP.
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Johannes Walch</name>
  <email>johannes.wa...@vekn.de</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-09T15:24:30Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: eBay Villein madness</title>
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  Fumo Indiretto schrieb: &lt;br&gt; Obviously the single card sellers make a profit out of buying boxes and &lt;br&gt; selling the singles. Therefore it must be more profitable (in general) &lt;br&gt; to buy boxes. Probably it is not good to buy boxes if you are in a &amp;quot;I &lt;br&gt; want this card 10x right now&amp;quot; situation, but else .. yes. Still I would
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  <author>
  <name>Fumo Indiretto</name>
  <email>cascon...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-09T15:19:15Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: eBay Villein madness</title>
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  So to get a &amp;quot;good&amp;quot; uncommon i must give a hard to find rare (enkil &lt;br&gt; cog) or a good rare (monastery of shadows) . Cog and Monastery are &lt;br&gt; RARE cards that every one are loocking for. In my opinion it&#39;s not a &lt;br&gt; fine trade. Are you sure you&#39;ll get cards like Enkil or Monastery in &lt;br&gt; a box? I&#39;m not so sure. &lt;br&gt; In a box of kot you can find a lot of &amp;quot;justicar&amp;quot; cards (in my last box
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Chris Berger</name>
  <email>ark...@ugcs.caltech.edu</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-09T15:16:29Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_thread/thread/de658fe4bcd5444d/0cad3147da67f37c?show_docid=0cad3147da67f37c"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Secret Library v.0.9.2 - Happy Families</title>
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  I&#39;ve read it. I always thought HF was pretty lame ever since LB &lt;br&gt; introduced it. If you want to make a toolboxy deck for a newbie, &lt;br&gt; you&#39;re better off picking a clan, get vamps with the best levels of &lt;br&gt; all 3 in-clan disciplines, then use the best cards from those 3 &lt;br&gt; disciplines. I find that the ideal proportions are rarely anywhere
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  <author>
  <name>Johann von Doom</name>
  <email>invisibleking...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-09T14:52:50Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_thread/thread/4143fa2f93b9fcca/d43f83f81ddd7471?show_docid=d43f83f81ddd7471"/>
  <title type="text">Re: LSJ- 9.1 Victory Points</title>
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  Did Player B at least offer the lame &amp;quot;I didn&#39;t want to do this but &lt;br&gt; you&#39;re making me&amp;quot; speech that often accompanies such activity? It&#39;s &lt;br&gt; the polite thing to do. :) &lt;br&gt; &amp;quot;Why Rush Sucks As Defense,&amp;quot; a supplement to the Player&#39;s Guide by &lt;br&gt; Player B. :) &lt;br&gt; John Eno
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  <author>
  <name>John Flournoy</name>
  <email>carne...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-09T14:41:14Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_thread/thread/34c76285eb27c256/f3e7bd189f3de985?show_docid=f3e7bd189f3de985"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Ashur Tablets players - 6 in 60, or 12 in 90?</title>
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  Naturally, at the Sunday tournament at Origins I had another Ashur&#39;s- &lt;br&gt; heavy deck at the table with mine in each round. :( &lt;br&gt; -John Flournoy
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  <author>
  <name>Blooded Sand</name>
  <email>sandm...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-09T14:27:47Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_thread/thread/71a48860609d07d3/f0bb5f50de1e001a?show_docid=f0bb5f50de1e001a"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Don&#39;t be a jerk</title>
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  On Jul 9, 4:04 pm, &amp;quot;Nikolaj \&amp;quot;Lord of the Betrayers\&amp;quot; Wendt&amp;quot; &lt;br&gt; This is where having a proper edge is an essential part of playing old &lt;br&gt; School VtES. &lt;br&gt; Preferably an edge that has an edge, yah know? I have this lovely &lt;br&gt; Tanto, got some old blood stains on it. Works like a charm....
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Jeff Kuta</name>
  <email>jeff.k...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-09T14:22:32Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_thread/thread/34c76285eb27c256/f3530e5bad9b85b3?show_docid=f3530e5bad9b85b3"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Ashur Tablets players - 6 in 60, or 12 in 90?</title>
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  Every single deck I have made in 2009 has at least 6 Ashur Tablets in &lt;br&gt; it. &lt;br&gt; If my deck size is 60-66, I use 6 Tablets. If my deck size is 67-90, I &lt;br&gt; use 9 Tablets. In my experience, Sudden Reversal and Wash usually &lt;br&gt; thwart the first recursion of Tablets, rarely the second, so I never &lt;br&gt; use Nx3 + 1. &lt;br&gt; The most common ways that my second (and third) sets have been stopped
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  <author>
  <name>Jozxyqk</name>
  <email>jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-09T14:14:08Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_thread/thread/de658fe4bcd5444d/f480c2d42dcbe5d4?show_docid=f480c2d42dcbe5d4</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_thread/thread/de658fe4bcd5444d/f480c2d42dcbe5d4?show_docid=f480c2d42dcbe5d4"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Secret Library v.0.9.2 - Happy Families</title>
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  Happy Families is a tool that you can use as a guideline for building &lt;br&gt; nicely-flowing toolboxy decks. &lt;br&gt; It&#39;s pretty useful for new players who are just getting the hang of &lt;br&gt; deckbuilding. &lt;br&gt; You should read Legbiter&#39;s original page of theory if you really don&#39;t &lt;br&gt; understand how it can be useful: &lt;br&gt; &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://legbiter.tripod.com/hf/theory.htm&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt;
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Chris Berger</name>
  <email>ark...@ugcs.caltech.edu</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-09T14:06:46Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Secret Library v.0.9.2 - Happy Families</title>
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  I keep seeing people posting about tools supporting Happy Families. &lt;br&gt; Does anyone actually use this to construct a deck? I find that it &lt;br&gt; focuses on one detail so much (% of vampires with the disciplines ~=~ &lt;br&gt; % of cards using that discipline), and ignores everything that&#39;s &lt;br&gt; actually relevant to deck-building. I&#39;ve never once consulted HF when
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