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Ulugh Beg II

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Jul 9, 2003, 11:28:33 PM7/9/03
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I have a couple of questions regarding Environmental damage.
 
 
1) Murder of Crows and Carrion Crows both "trigger" during strike resolution. Does that mean that you still get damaged when you play a S:CE card or does Majesty still beat this. In the same regard, can I play Carrion Crows and Majesty afterwards and have my opponent take 2 damage. Or does S:CE simply always trigger first?
 
 
2) I have a vampire with THA and a Murder of Crows. The opposing vampire has two blood. I play Theft of Vitae as my strike, the opposing vampire does something that has not cost.. Do I get two blood and does Murder torporize the opposing minion, or does Murder trigger first and do I steal only one blood ny lack of more? Or does the controller of Murder of Crows decide which one triggers first?
 
 
3) If I play Weather Control under Dawn Operation, can I still use Skin of Night (or Merril Molitor's ability or Firedance or whatever) to turn the damage to normal or means "cannot prevented" also "cannot be changed". Furthermore, if I *can* Skin of Night in this case (I smell a deck idea here), can I Amaranth the opposing minion, assuming he or she doesn't use Skin of Night or something similar.
 
 
So far environmental.
 
Also,
 
4) If I play Aid from bats as a strike (as normal, in the strike phase and not in the maneuver phase), can I "save" the optional maneuver until the next round? Or is it simply ignored?
 
 
5) Can I play the same action modifier twice with the same vampire? If so, does that mean I can use multiple Voter Caps or Rituals of the Bitter Rose and if not can I also not use two different effects on the same card?
 
 
6) The same question, but then for reaction cards
 
 
 
Thanks a lot!

The Lasombra

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Jul 9, 2003, 11:57:45 PM7/9/03
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 05:28:33 +0200, "Ulugh Beg II"
<dontfe...@spam.me> wrote:

>1) Murder of Crows and Carrion Crows both "trigger" during strike resolution.
>Does that mean that you still get damaged when you play a S:CE card

No.

http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulebook/

[6.4.5 definition of Strike: Combat Ends]
"it ends combat before other strikes or other strike resolution
effects are resolved."

>or does Majesty still beat this.


Yes.


>In the same regard, can I play Carrion Crows and Majesty afterwards
>and have my opponent take 2 damage.

No.


>Or does S:CE simply always trigger first?

Yes.


>2) I have a vampire with THA and a Murder of Crows. The opposing vampire has two blood.
>I play Theft of Vitae as my strike, the opposing vampire does something that has not cost..
>Do I get two blood and does Murder torporize the opposing minion,

Yes.

>or does Murder trigger first and do I steal only one blood ny lack of more?

No.

The strikes resolve, then damage is handled.

http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulebook/

[6.4.3 definition of resolve strike]
"the effects of a strike are applied and then damage is resolved."

> Or does the controller of Murder of Crows decide which one triggers first?.

No.


>3) If I play Weather Control under Dawn Operation, can I still use Skin of Night
> (or Merril Molitor's ability or Firedance or whatever) to turn the damage to normal

Yes.


>or means "cannot prevented" also "cannot be changed".

No.


>Furthermore, if I *can* Skin of Night in this case (I smell a deck idea here),
>can I Amaranth the opposing minion, assuming he or she doesn't use
>Skin of Night or something similar.

Yes.

http://www.thelasombra.com/decks/tf.htm
http://www.thelasombra.com/decks/tf2.htm
http://www.thelasombra.com/decks/Dont_Block_the_Ventrue.htm

http://www.thelasombra.com/decks/xian.htm#joydivision


>4) If I play Aid from bats as a strike (as normal, in the strike phase and not
>in the maneuver phase), can I "save" the optional maneuver until the next round?

No.

> Or is it simply ignored?

It is lost.

Combat cards which grant a maneuver only grant that maneuver in the
same round without explicit card text otherwise.

[6.4.2 Determine Range]
"If a combat card played by a minion has a maneuver as part of an
effect, the maneuver must be used that round of combat."


>5) Can I play the same action modifier twice with the same vampire?

Not on the same action.

[1.6.3.3 definition of action modifier]
"A minion cannot play the same action modifier more than once during a
single action."


>If so, does that mean I can use multiple Voter Caps

No.


>or Rituals of the Bitter Rose

If played as a combat card = Yes.
If played as an action modifier = No.


>and if not can I also not use two different effects on the same card?

.
No.


>6) The same question, but then for reaction cards

Same answer.

[1.6.3.5 definition of reaction card]
"A minion cannot play the same reaction card more than once during a
single action. "

Carpe noctem.

Lasombra

http://www.TheLasombra.com

Ulugh Beg II

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Jul 10, 2003, 8:51:26 AM7/10/03
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Thanks man, you're being of great help.

One more about this:


> >or Rituals of the Bitter Rose
>
> If played as a combat card = Yes.
> If played as an action modifier = No.

So if I play it twice as a combat card, all my vamps gain double the
blood on the one I'm diablerizing and the one actually playing RotB gets
triple the blood?


LSJ

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Jul 10, 2003, 9:07:26 AM7/10/03
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Ulugh Beg II wrote:
>>>or Rituals of the Bitter Rose
> So if I play it twice as a combat card, all my vamps gain double the
> blood on the one I'm diablerizing and the one actually playing RotB gets
> triple the blood?

Yes.

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