LSJ - Kyoko NRA hunting clarification
technobabble66
clarification on something that doesn't necessarily seem to be
completely consistent:
Why can Kyoko hunt off another minion, freak drive, but *not* hunt
*again* off another minion?
I appreciate the NRA issue, but shouldn't hers be more of an
"intrinsic" ability? Her caption kinda states her hunting
characteristic as non-optional - ie: if she hunts, its not *normal*
and its got to be off another vamp. And i assume she (like other
vamps) can hunt multiple times per turn if able to act again. I'm just
thinking, for example, of Rabbat, who's caption states "if X then Y"
and because she can hunt repeatedly you can repeatedly gain 1 pool
from her hunts.
If Kyoko "cannot hunt as normal" then what happens to her 2nd or 3rd
hunt? If the rest of her caption is ignored, then she basically
hunting as per normal...
I understand that Rabbat is more of an "action modifier" effect
whereas the NRA rule could be seen to limit the "action" described on
kyoko. However her caption is describing how her intrinsic
(repeatable) action is then *modified* to be a (D) action, rather than
granting her a new non-intrinsic action that is clearly covered by the
NRA rule.
Kyoko Shinsegawa
Tremere
Capacity: 5
Group: 3
Camarilla: Kyoko cannot hunt as normal. She may hunt by stealing a
blood from another ready vampire as a +1 stealth (D) action.
Rabbat, The Sewer Goddess
Nosferatu
Capacity: 7
Group: 4
Independent. Red List: Rabbat may send a vampire to torpor or burn an
ally as a strike. If she hunts, you may move 1 of the blood she gains
to your pool. She cannot take (D) actions or block actions that aren't
directed at her or at a card on her.
floppyzedolfin
> I believe i've already read the simple answer, but i just wanted re-
> clarification on something that doesn't necessarily seem to be
> completely consistent:
> Why can Kyoko hunt off another minion, freak drive, but *not* hunt
> *again* off another minion?
Because she'd have to use the her own hunt action (per cardtext), and
the NRA allows a minion to perform an action from a card in play only
once per turn. Thus, she can't use her own cardtext (just the same way
Enkidu can't rush twice per turn with his own cardtext) to hunt on the
second action. If she has no blood, she's untapped, and can do nothing
but hunt, which means she can't do nothing for this turn (unless she
somehow gains 1 blood).
> I appreciate the NRA issue, but shouldn't hers be more of an
> "intrinsic" ability? Her caption kinda states her hunting
> characteristic as non-optional - ie: if she hunts, its not *normal*
> and its got to be off another vamp. And i assume she (like other
> vamps) can hunt multiple times per turn if able to act again. I'm just
> thinking, for example, of Rabbat, who's caption states "if X then Y"
> and because she can hunt repeatedly you can repeatedly gain 1 pool
> from her hunts.
> If Kyoko "cannot hunt as normal" then what happens to her 2nd or 3rd
> hunt?
She can only hunt once per turn.
floppyzedolfin
> On 15 août, 16:41, technobabble66 <stujaq...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > If Kyoko "cannot hunt as normal" then what happens to her 2nd or 3rd
> > hunt?
>
> She can only hunt once per turn.
Err, that is: She can only hunt once per turn, unless something else
provides her with non-normal hunt actions (Abactor, Restricted
Vitae, ..)
Juggernaut1981
Kyoko's "hunt" is an non-forced alternate hunt action. Kyoko's text
does NOT read the same way as Week of Nightmares for example.
Therefore, she can only take her personal hunt action once.