I'm afraid this may not be 100% reliable, since I left before the finals started (not being in them). Some New Englander probably ought to have better (and more complete) info, having been there. :-)
In the Jersey qualifier, I believe the finalists order going into the finals was:
Jason Bubalis Ben Peal Scott Gomes Nick Watkins Peter Kapsalis
It's possible, though, that I got one or more of these finalists wrong, and quite likely that the order isn't correct. ;-)
Since there were 17 players, and 1 of them (Ben) was already qualified, there should be 4 newly qualified people from the event, meaning all of the finalists qualify. (There was speculation ahead of the third round that if Ben didn't make the finals, it would be an especially brutal final round since one of the finalists wouldn't get qualified, so everyone would have to fight tooth and nail not to come in fifth. Sadly, or happily depending on your point of view, that did not come to pass.)
Joshua Duffin wrote: > In the Jersey qualifier, I believe the finalists order going into the finals > was:
> Jason Bubalis > Ben Peal > Scott Gomes > Nick Watkins > Peter Kapsalis
1. Jason Bubalis 2. Ben Peal 3. Scott Gomes 4. Peter Kapsalis 5. Nick Watkins
Seating order was:
Jason Bubalis (aka Snapcase) (Rock Cats) Peter Kapsalis (Nos Princes toolbox, fight heavy) Nick Watkins (Obf-Dem bleed with Protean) Ben Peal (Nos/!Nos ani-obf weenie Raven Spy wall) Scott Gomes (!Tor Palla Grande tap 'n bleed)
Jason seemed to have gotten a slow start out of the gate in the finals, not quite getting the Souls of the Earth that he would have liked. A Creepshow Casino or an Unlicensed Taxi Cab would've been a big help, too, as Peter was inclined to 2nd Trad and not let more than two Rock Cats hit the table. On top of this, the bleed pressure from Scott was pretty heavy, and Jason had to go upstream to deal with Jost and Co.
Nick got an early bleed or two through on me, but I was able to get the Raven Spy picket set up, along with a couple of Sniper Rifles, and I was able to shut down Nick's attack. Peter opted to lay off Nick for most of the game, in the hopes that Nick could do something to me, but Nick mostly chose to hunt and farm off of Blood Dolls in order to work on getting more minions out. In the meantime, I bled Scott for a couple every turn, a fair number of those bleeds getting bounced to Jason.
Jason's Rock Cat attacks on Scott took their toll, and I eventually ousted Scott. Jason was unfortunately down to 4 pool by that point, and I ousted him the following turn. Peter came close to ousting Nick (down to 1 pool, I believe), but Nick rallied and farmed from Blood Dolls enough. After that Peter wasn't able to get much going on Nick, and Nick still couldn't get anything going on me. I wasn't particularly interested in sending my vampires into Peter's wood chipper, so the game timed out. Me 2.5, Peter 0.5, Nick 0.5
The winning deck:
Deck Name: Nevermore Created By: Ben Peal Description: This deck started as an experiment in defending against stealth-bleed decks without the aid of bleed bounce. The idea is to get out obf-ani weenies, who then employ lots of Raven Spies. You can't expect to block everything (especially early on, when you're most vulnerable), but your predator will end up having to spend a lot of stealth cards to get each action to succeed, to the point where their hand will be stripped of sufficient stealth after one action and they'll have to wait until they draw more stealth before making another run. In the meantime, you can recoup any pool lost by farming from Blood Dolls. You're also looking to get bleed retainers and Sniper Rifles, as well as additional weenies. You eventually oust your prey with weenie bleeds.
CRYPT (12 cards) [avg=3.92]
1 x Christianus Lionel (6): OBF ANI pot 1 x Nigel the Shunned (5): ANI POT obf 1 x Cicatriz (5): obf ani pot 1 x Josef (4): obf ani obt 1 x Shannon Price, the Whisperer (3): obf ani 1 x Calebros, The Martyr (5): ANI obf pot 1 x Gemini (5): OBF ani pot obt 1 x Laurent de Valois (4): obf ani dom 1 x Clarissa Steinburgen (3): obf ani 1 x Krid (2): obf 1 x Panagos Levidis (3): obf ani 1 x Hanna Redmonds (2): obf tha
LIBRARY (90 cards)
1 x Shanty Town Hunting Ground 1 x Information Network 1 x The Labyrinth 1 x Nosferatu Bestial
1 x The Barrens 1 x KRCG News Radio 1 x The Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper 1 x Dummy Corporation 6 x Blood Doll 6 x Life in the City
1 x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter) 1 x J.S. Simmons Esq. 1 x Tasha Morgan 3 x Sniper Rifle 2 x .44 Magnum 2 x Leather Jacket 2 x IR Goggles 9 x Wake with Evening's Freshness 9 x Forced Awakening
1 x Forgotten Labyrinth 1 x Elder Impersonation 3 x Spying Mission 4 x Swallowed by the Night 2 x Lost in Crowds 4 x Cloak the Gathering 3 x Faceless Night 3 x Domain of Evernight
15 x Raven Spy 4 x Instinctive Reaction
Many thanks to David Lapp and Jester's Playhouse for organizing and hosting the qualifier! Many thanks to the players who braved the snow! Many thanks to White Wolf for the prize support! I'll see about getting the official stats from David Lapp so they can be posted here.
Speaking of the prize support, there was a new promotional card given out to the attendees:
Retribution Master
Choose a minion who successfully bled you for more than 1 pool since your last turn. The chosen minion takes 3 unpreventable damage. A Methuselah can only play one Retribution in a game.
"Atrocities committed by any one of us strengthens the fear that we all use as weapons." - Kemintiri, Follower of Set
LSJ, when does this card become tournament legal?
> Since there were 17 players, and 1 of them (Ben) was already qualified, > there should be 4 newly qualified people from the event, meaning all of the > finalists qualify. (There was speculation ahead of the third round that if > Ben didn't make the finals, it would be an especially brutal final round > since one of the finalists wouldn't get qualified, so everyone would have to > fight tooth and nail not to come in fifth. Sadly, or happily depending on > your point of view, that did not come to pass.)
After thinking about this some more, I think I remember reading somewhere that all finalists of a qualifier get to qualify, regardless of the size of the qualifier. Can anyone corroborate this? - Ben Peal fu...@mindstorm.com
> Choose a minion who successfully bled you for more than 1 pool > since your last turn. The chosen minion takes 3 unpreventable > damage. A Methuselah can only play one Retribution in a game.
> "Atrocities committed by any one of us strengthens the fear that > we all use as weapons." - Kemintiri, Follower of Set
Oh. Sure. NOW you post it.
Are you sure you didn't get any more of those "special promo cards" that trash my Vampires? :)
cool stuff. I've Seen people try to make similar things but not very successfully.
> LIBRARY (90 cards)
> 1 x Shanty Town Hunting Ground > 1 x Information Network > 1 x The Labyrinth > 1 x Nosferatu Bestial
> 1 x The Barrens > 1 x KRCG News Radio > 1 x The Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper > 1 x Dummy Corporation > 6 x Blood Doll > 6 x Life in the City
Hmm seems like the kind of deck that could do well with a couple of Perfectionists. While they aren't trifles like the LitC, they can give you blood over a number of turns; with a few weenies out making actions at stealth and with blood dolls, could give you a good return over time. Apart from that, looks like a great deck. Good to see the Instinctive Reactions.
I've thought of making a similar kind of thing but with fatter guys like Kurt Densch, and Neighbourhood Watch Commander. Weenies are probably a better way to go.
> Speaking of the prize support, there was a new promotional card > given out to the attendees:
> Retribution > Master
> Choose a minion who successfully bled you for more than 1 pool > since your last turn. The chosen minion takes 3 unpreventable > damage. A Methuselah can only play one Retribution in a game.
> "Atrocities committed by any one of us strengthens the fear that > we all use as weapons." - Kemintiri, Follower of Set
Interesting. Seems like another flip of the finger at weeny bleeders. Each player can, once per game during his master phase, cause three damage to a minion that bleeds him for more than one sometime during the previous turn.
Other than that, I'm not sure if it means much. A "sort of" Archon Investigation. Much easier to use but much less powerful when it goes off.
Frederick Scott wrote: > Other than that, I'm not sure if it means much. A "sort of" Archon > Investigation. Much easier to use but much less powerful when it goes > off.
I think it is a nice little card that swings the game in the direction towards what David was looking for in his DI/AI thread, and works better than AI does.
It is *much* easier to play, doesn't cost pool, and will pretty much always have a target (bleeds of 2+ occur with much greater regularity than bleeds of 4+). And it hurts small vampire bleed decks much more than "superstar" decks.
I think this card will see a lot of play. I mean, it isn't, like, game ending or anything, but I can see one of these in many, many decks, and it sending vampires to torpor on a regular basis.
>> Other than that, I'm not sure if it means much. A "sort of" Archon >> Investigation. Much easier to use but much less powerful when it goes >> off.
> I think it is a nice little card that swings the game in the direction > towards what David was looking for in his DI/AI thread, and works better > than AI does.
Could you summarize for me? (I'm too lazy to go read the whole thread.)
> It is *much* easier to play,
Ah, "*much* easier" - with asterisks. I stand corrected. :-)
> doesn't cost pool, and will pretty much always have a target (bleeds > of 2+ occur with much greater regularity than bleeds of 4+).
On the other hand, it doesn't save you the pool as you pay its non-cost. If the bleed is 2, that's OK. If it's over 3, you'd rather use A.I. But I agree with your comment about the relative frequency of the smaller bleeds.
> And it hurts small vampire bleed decks much more than "superstar" > decks.
Depends. If the "superstar" is running on low blood, that could make for a bigger "ouch" to the bleeder - especially since you have your entire turn to go diablerize it. OTOH, again, probably much easier to catch a weeny than a superstar on low blood.
> I think this card will see a lot of play. I mean, it isn't, like, game > ending or anything, but I can see one of these in many, many decks, > and it sending vampires to torpor on a regular basis.
I'm thinking it might be most often seen in combat rush decks to use against predators and maybe even bounced grandpredators. Save the former a precious rush with a single master card. (Though possibly too risky as a hand jamming master card, I don't know.)
Otherwise, it's just another really general kind-of-good master card that will always be on the cusp of making the cut (or not) depending on available master card space, the local metagame, and one's preferences.
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Frederick Scott wrote: > Could you summarize for me? (I'm too lazy to go read the whole thread.)
In a few scentences:
David surmised that if Archon Investigation was playable on *any* bleed (as opposed to just you being bled), it would see more play, and if it saw more play, it would have more of an effect on the game (i.e. people would be a lot more afraid of bleeding for more than 3 than they currently are). I countered with the idea that, while his heart was in the right place, I don't think that more wide spread AI useage is a good way to make it happen--AI doesn't actually harm S+B decks (but it does really harm other deck types that don't need hosing), and cross table random burning of vampires is likely something we want less of, rather than more.
> On the other hand, it doesn't save you the pool as you pay its non-cost. > If the bleed is 2, that's OK. If it's over 3, you'd rather use A.I. > But I agree with your comment about the relative frequency of the smaller > bleeds.
Completely true. But from experience, AI is a real hinderance in your deck--you spend a lot of time holding on to it if you have it, and when you do get to play it, it usually doesn't save you, it just gives you a bit of spiteful satisfaction (I've rarely been saved from being ousted by playing AI, if ever. I've rarely seen anyone get saved from being ousted by playing AI. Usually, it just saves you for another action or two, and makes you happy 'cause you burned someone. And then you get ousted anyway). Retribution, however, being a lot easier to play (and free), is going to see a lot of action. I don't think it will save you either, but it will also see play earlier in the game, and possibly help early.
> Depends. If the "superstar" is running on low blood, that could make > for a bigger "ouch" to the bleeder - especially since you have your > entire turn to go diablerize it. OTOH, again, probably much easier to > catch a weeny than a superstar on low blood.
Likely. I don't think, really, that Retribution is going to keep people from bleeding, but as it is going to be very playable, it'll give you a lot more satisfaction, especially as you are more likely to be able to play it early.
> I'm thinking it might be most often seen in combat rush decks to use > against predators and maybe even bounced grandpredators. Save the > former a precious rush with a single master card. (Though possibly > too risky as a hand jamming master card, I don't know.)
Very likely. But I think as it is so kind of universal, it'll probably show up in a lot of decks that have a spare slot here and there. Once this card gets in circulation, I suspect it will se a lot of play. I don't know if it will make much difference to the environment, but I think it wil certainly get a lot of play.
> Otherwise, it's just another really general kind-of-good master card > that will always be on the cusp of making the cut (or not) depending > on available master card space, the local metagame, and one's > preferences.
The Lasombra wrote: > Notice 4 B and C from the FAQ.
> <snip>
> 4) Include the following information in your report: > a) Name of Event > b) location of event > c) date of event > d) number of players in attendance at event > e) the correct full name of the winning player > f) the entire correct contents of the deck
Location of Event: Jester's Playhouse, Northfield, NJ Date of Event: 1/22/05
I think the official name of the event (for part A) is the East Central Regional Qualifier, as opposed to the Northeast Regional Qualifier at TotalCon, and as opposed to the Mid-Atlantic Qualifier in the DC area. :)
I've been waiting for the full report from David Lapp. :) - Ben Peal fu...@mindstorm.com
Yeah, Perfectionists could be a good addition. The deck is fairly master-light, so I'm sure I could find room for a couple. Maybe drop a couple Life in the City.
> Are you sure you didn't get any more of those "special promo cards" > that trash my Vampires? :)
So Monday night at the weekly games in Boston, Ben Swainbank's advanced Beckett bled me with a Computer Hacking for 2, completely oblivious to the existence of Retribution. I tagged Beckett with Retribution, causing Ben to discard his hand, and triggering the Fame on Beckett. Ben's hand size was then reduced to...er...I think 4, due to his Gehenna events. Retribution indeed. >:)
> 1. Jason Bubalis > 2. Ben Peal > 3. Scott Gomes > 4. Peter Kapsalis > 5. Nick Watkins
> Seating order was:
> Jason Bubalis (aka Snapcase) (Rock Cats) > Peter Kapsalis (Nos Princes toolbox, fight heavy) > Nick Watkins (Obf-Dem bleed with Protean) > Ben Peal (Nos/!Nos ani-obf weenie Raven Spy wall) > Scott Gomes (!Tor Palla Grande tap 'n bleed)
> Jason seemed to have gotten a slow start out of the gate in the > finals, not quite getting the Souls of the Earth that he would have
liked.
Again Ben! Congrats, wish I could have made it. Nice deck idea, btw.
But I would really like to see the Rock Cat deck list and some explanation of how it got first seed. Unless I'm misreading something... Also, why sit in front of the Palla Grande deck, and prey on the fight heavy deck?
> Ben Swainbank wrote: > > Oh. Sure. NOW you post it.
> > Are you sure you didn't get any more of those "special promo cards" > > that trash my Vampires? :)
> So Monday night at the weekly games in Boston, Ben Swainbank's > advanced > Beckett bled me with a Computer Hacking for 2, completely oblivious > to the > existence of Retribution. I tagged Beckett with Retribution, causing > Ben to > discard his hand, and triggering the Fame on Beckett. Ben's hand > size was then > reduced to...er...I think 4, due to his Gehenna events. Retribution > indeed. >:)
And the very next night at our weekly game, Eric Chiang pulled the 'I know none of you has even HEARD of this card, so John's vampire goes to torpor - now I eat him' trick. Cuuuurseeees!
> fudjo wrote: > > So Monday night at the weekly games in Boston, Ben Swainbank's > > advanced > > Beckett bled me with a Computer Hacking for 2, completely oblivious > > to the > > existence of Retribution. I tagged Beckett with Retribution, causing > > Ben to > > discard his hand, and triggering the Fame on Beckett. Ben's hand > > size was then > > reduced to...er...I think 4, due to his Gehenna events. Retribution > > indeed. >:)
> And the very next night at our weekly game, Eric Chiang pulled the 'I > know none of you has even HEARD of this card, so John's vampire goes to > torpor - now I eat him' trick. Cuuuurseeees!
Matt and I were really hoping to do this at our usual game this week, but instead no one could make it out to play, and the surprise was ruined by the power of the internet. Ah well. :-)
> But I would really like to see the Rock Cat deck list and some > explanation of how it got first seed.
Swept first two games (both were 4 player tables); 3rd game timed out.
> Also, why sit in front of the Palla Grande deck, > and prey on the fight heavy deck?
Had no idea what deck Scott was playing. Had no idea the fight heavy deck was packing as much intercept as it was. Had I known either, I would have sat in front of the pot/ani deck. The idea was to get as far as possible from Ben's uber intercept for as long as possible. It was a poor choice, but meh.
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