HoS/Salubri for critique
SkramZ!!er
from the web into card sleeves), so be gentle^^
Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 6 max: 7 average: 6.75
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3x Egothha 7 AUS FOR NEC obf Harbinger:2
3x Gisela Harden, The 7 FOR NEC aus dem priscus Harbinger:2
3x Matthias 7 AUS FOR OBE nec Salubri:2
2x Agaitas, The Schol 6 AUS NEC for Harbinger:2
1x Blanche Hill 6 FOR OBE aus Salubri:2
Library [90 cards]
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Action [15]
1x Guard Duty
2x Haunt
2x Pulse of the Canaille
4x Renewed Vigor
2x Revelations
2x Summon Soul
2x Whispers from the Dead
Action Modifier [10]
6x Call of the Hungry Dead
2x Telepathic Vote Counting
2x Trochomancy
Action Modifier/Reaction [6]
6x Spectral Divination
Combat [17]
5x Anesthetic Touch
3x Cold Aura
5x Rolling with the Punches (or Skin of Steel,
Indomitability...can't really decide)
4x Spiritual Intervention
Equipment [5]
1x Bowl of Convergence
1x Erebus Mask
1x Helicopter
1x Sargon Fragment, The
1x Signet of King Saul, The
Event [2]
1x Fourth Cycle, The
1x Uncoiling, The
Master [20]
1x Kingston Penitentiary, Ontario
1x Lupine Assault
1x Maabara
10x Slaughterhouse, The
1x Therbold Realty
3x Vessel
3x Villein
Reaction [14]
4x Eagle's Sight
4x On the Qui Vive
6x Telepathic Misdirection
Retainer [1]
1x Mr. Winthrop (not sure should this be a Sight Beyond Sight
instead)
Malone
> My first attempt on deck building (meaning not entirely copy/paste
> from the web into card sleeves), so be gentle^^
>
> Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 6 max: 7 average: 6.75
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 3x Egothha 7 AUS FOR NEC obf Harbinger:2
> 3x Gisela Harden, The 7 FOR NEC aus dem priscus Harbinger:2
> 3x Matthias 7 AUS FOR OBE nec Salubri:2
> 2x Agaitas, The Schol 6 AUS NEC for Harbinger:2
> 1x Blanche Hill 6 FOR OBE aus Salubri:2
>
> Library [90 cards]
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>
> Action [15]
> 1x Guard Duty
> 2x Haunt
You don't need to protect your locations. Guard Duty turns out to be
a bad card because of the 'can't get stealth unless you need it'
rule. You might keep a Haunt as a way to take out someone else's
location.
> 2x Pulse of the Canaille
> 4x Renewed Vigor
> 2x Revelations
> 2x Summon Soul
I like these. You might want more blood gain.
> 2x Whispers from the Dead
What do you see yourself using these for?
> Action Modifier [10]
> 6x Call of the Hungry Dead
> 2x Telepathic Vote Counting
> 2x Trochomancy
Is Telepathic Vote Counting a typo? I don't see you planning any
political actions. Add a couple of Repulsion.
> Action Modifier/Reaction [6]
> 6x Spectral Divination
These cost blood. I'd take out 2 of them.
> Combat [17]
> 5x Anesthetic Touch
> 3x Cold Aura
> 5x Rolling with the Punches (or Skin of Steel,
> Indomitability...can't really decide)
> 4x Spiritual Intervention
The combat needs to be thought out more specifically. If you block a
lot, you'll be in combat a lot. What are the HoS going to do -- go to
long and end combat? Two cards and a blood is a lot to spend on that.
Dead Hand as your strike, with some prevent (RwtP is a good choice)
and a couple of Target Vitals, will make give your Maabara a chance to
do something sometimes.
> Equipment [5]
> 1x Bowl of Convergence
> 1x Erebus Mask
> 1x Helicopter
> 1x Sargon Fragment, The
> 1x Signet of King Saul, The
The Bowl and the Mask, absolutely. What are the Helicopter and
Fragment for?
The Signet combines really well with Neutral Guard, if you have any of
those.
> Event [2]
> 1x Fourth Cycle, The
> 1x Uncoiling, The
Lose these. You can't play the Fourth Cycle anyway.
> Master [20]
> 1x Kingston Penitentiary, Ontario
Play this for a while, see how it does.
> 1x Lupine Assault
If this were an Agaitas deck I'd say keep this, but otherwise no way.
> 1x Maabara
> 10x Slaughterhouse, The
Slaughterhouses annoy people. Either play more Trochomancy (or
Brinksmanship, but that's a little far fetched), so you can benefit
from their effect, or get rid of some of them. When I play a ton of
Slaughterhouses I like to include Insurance Scam.
> 1x Therbold Realty
> 3x Vessel
> 3x Villein
I'm not saying that the Vessel/Villein mix is a bad choice, but it
seems like one more suggestion that you don't really have a specific
plan for how you want your deck to work.
> Reaction [14]
> 4x Eagle's Sight
> 4x On the Qui Vive
> 6x Telepathic Misdirection
OK. I'd add a few Eyes of Argus or Wake with Evening's Freshness or
that something-something-Vigilance fortitude card that lets you untap.
> Retainer [1]
> 1x Mr. Winthrop (not sure should this be a Sight Beyond Sight
> instead)
Sure... maybe both... or maybe Tasha Morgan instead.
Malone
> 3x Egothha 7 AUS FOR NEC obf Harbinger:2
> 3x Gisela Harden, The 7 FOR NEC aus dem priscus Harbinger:2
> 3x Matthias 7 AUS FOR OBE nec Salubri:2
> 2x Agaitas, The Schol 6 AUS NEC for Harbinger:2
> 1x Blanche Hill 6 FOR OBE aus Salubri:2
Also, your crypt needs either more focus or more diversity. I'd put
in Maldavis for sure, and maybe Isabel de Leon and Martin Franckel to
get some cheaper bouncer/blockers.
Curevei
> My first attempt on deck building (meaning not entirely copy/paste
> from the web into card sleeves), so be gentle^^
Is this supposed to be a Brinksmanship deck? If not, take all of the
milling effects out as they won't help you. If so, the "pass a vote"
tech should be greater.
The biggest problem with HoS is coming up with a coherent ousting
strategy. This deck doesn't address that problem. You aren't voting,
you aren't grinding people out with combat, you aren't forcing people
to be ousted when they can't withdraw, and your bleed power is awful.
In fact, the deck is kind of all over the place. What is the core
strategy for winning the game that the deck is trying to achieve? I
would pick one thing that you think will produce VPs and focus on
that ... then, if you feel inclined, junk it up with whatever you
like.
> Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 6 max: 7 average: 6.75
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 3x Egothha 7 AUS FOR NEC obf Harbinger:2
> 3x Gisela Harden, The 7 FOR NEC aus dem priscus Harbinger:2
> 3x Matthias 7 AUS FOR OBE nec Salubri:2
> 2x Agaitas, The Schol 6 AUS NEC for Harbinger:2
> 1x Blanche Hill 6 FOR OBE aus Salubri:2
I see any one of three possibilities for making this less awkward:
Tupdog, Anarch Convert, Wider View.
> Library [90 cards]
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>
> Action [15]
> 1x Guard Duty
Cut.
> 2x Haunt
Never works for me.
> 2x Pulse of the Canaille
Never liked them, but it kind of synergizes with Renewed Vigor and
it's a step towards offense.
> 4x Renewed Vigor
> 2x Revelations
For?
> 2x Summon Soul
> 2x Whispers from the Dead
I kind of like Summon Soul, but you don't need all of this recursion.
> Action Modifier [10]
> 6x Call of the Hungry Dead
> 2x Telepathic Vote Counting
> 2x Trochomancy
Freak Drive?
> Action Modifier/Reaction [6]
> 6x Spectral Divination
>
> Combat [17]
> 5x Anesthetic Touch
> 3x Cold Aura
> 5x Rolling with the Punches (or Skin of Steel,
> Indomitability...can't really decide)
> 4x Spiritual Intervention
Since it has been quite a while since I commented on a deck posted to
a public forum, I should reiterate that combat packages tend to be the
most metagame dependent parts of decks. I'd consider taking all of
this out and replacing with .44s and an Ivory Bow and whatever you
think goes with .44s and an Ivory Bow.
Casual offensive combat will support whatever else you try to do.
> Equipment [5]
> 1x Bowl of Convergence
> 1x Erebus Mask
> 1x Helicopter
I don't have particularly strong views on Helicopter, but your pool
defense/bloat is weak and you have the Freak Drive discipline.
> 1x Sargon Fragment, The
> 1x Signet of King Saul, The
>
> Event [2]
> 1x Fourth Cycle, The
> 1x Uncoiling, The
>
> Master [20]
> 1x Kingston Penitentiary, Ontario
Terrible card.
> 1x Lupine Assault
Only if you are playing Brinksmanship.
> 1x Maabara
Terrible card.
> 10x Slaughterhouse, The
Only if you are playing Brinksmanship.
> 1x Therbold Realty
> 3x Vessel
> 3x Villein
Should be running Information Highway, Dreams, other card cycling
cards, possibly counterspells (Direct Intervention, Sudden Reversal,
Wash), European stealth (Pentex Subversion), and the like.
> Reaction [14]
> 4x Eagle's Sight
> 4x On the Qui Vive
> 6x Telepathic Misdirection
What are all of the Eagle Sights for? Not seeing how this defense
package stops you from being ousted unless you play in a very low
offense metagame. Eagle Sights would be better as Eyes of Argus.
> Retainer [1]
> 1x Mr. Winthrop (not sure should this be a Sight Beyond Sight
> instead)
What is it you really want from a HoS/Salubri deck?
I might want to rebuild my Force of Will/Possession deck, especially
with Blessed Resilience around nowadays, as that deck at least ousted
people.
Anyway, HoS is giving you defensive disciplines, the Shambling Hordes
discipline, and specials (group 2, group 4 gives you more affordable
minions with Laibonism). Salubri is giving you bloat, evasion (if you
have Repulsion and/or Gift of Sleep), minion steal. What in there (or
not in there) is important?
SkramZ!!er
Well, I would like to kick The Slaughterhouse up front and utilize it
as a primary card, so in other words milling. I was thinking about
Brinksmanship, but generally I don't know how you manage to pass the
referendum, whilst keeping the crypt specifically to HoS and Salubri
(aside of maybe using Dia de los Muertos).
The Salubri part...I like their bloat, as well as the stealing minions
part(although I couldn't fit it into this list).
So basically, I would somehow want to incorporate those things into a
single decklist. I am fairly new to VtES and quite new to
deckbuilding, so any help will be most appreciated.
Malone
> Well, I would like to kick The Slaughterhouse up front and utilize it
> as a primary card, so in other words milling. I was thinking about
> Brinksmanship, but generally I don't know how you manage to pass the
> referendum, whilst keeping the crypt specifically to HoS and Salubri
> (aside of maybe using Dia de los Muertos).
Byzar can play Distant Friend (and Old Friends and Bewitching
Oration).
Distant Friend
+1 stealth action.
[dom][pre] (D) Choose a vampire and put this card in play. If this
action is successful, untap the acting vampire at the end of the turn.
You may burn this card during a referendum to change the votes of the
chosen vampire to votes of your choice.
This puts you in G5/6, which has a smaller choice of minions. You
might make a crypt something like this (if you insist that it contain
only HoS and Salubri):
4x Byzar
3x Matthew
2x La Viuda Blanca
2x Mordechai Ben-Nun
1x Nahum Enosh
Matthew makes the Slaughterhouses free.
Kushiel
> Well, I would like to kick The Slaughterhouse up front and utilize it
> as a primary card, so in other words milling.
The problem with that is that it doesn't oust anyone, or even help you
oust anyone. It also doesn't keep you from being ousted - if anything,
due to the table hate that Slaughterhouses often generate, it may make
it harder for you to stay in the game.
> I was thinking about
> Brinksmanship, but generally I don't know how you manage to pass the
> referendum, whilst keeping the crypt specifically to HoS and Salubri
> (aside of maybe using Dia de los Muertos).
Dia de los Muertos and Daring the Dawn are the traditional method. It
should be noted that this doesn't ever actually work, but that's the
way the people normally try to get Slaughterhouse/Brinksmanship off
the ground.
> So basically, I would somehow want to incorporate those things into a
> single decklist. I am fairly new to VtES and quite new to
> deckbuilding, so any help will be most appreciated.
A good starting point is answering the question of why you want to
mill peoples' libraries?
John Eno
wedge
> My first attempt on deck building (meaning not entirely copy/paste
> from the web into card sleeves), so be gentle^^
I do not know what you want the deck to do.
There are a couple of ways to go with this deck,
TrocBleed...
Brinksmanship...
or
Smiling Jack/ Constant Revolution
I like SJ / CR best for HoS / Salubri. Renewed Vigor can be you bloat
and control for SJ cross table. Slaughterhouse accelerates CR for your
prey. The rest of the deck is combat wall.
If you want Brinksmanship, you need to use whispers of the dead to
build the combo or
to make it a vote deck. Bribes, Cryptic Rider, and votes that others
will help you pass.
Year of Fortune (can force a withdraw)
Rumors of Gehenna
Disputed Territory (perhaps my favorite, give slaughterhouses to
grandpred or wherever to get cryptic started)
etc..
As for TrocBleed more trocomancy.
Matt
SkramZ!!er
> mill peoples' libraries?
Because it is a deck archetype I haven't played yet, simple as that.
> I like SJ / CR best for HoS / Salubri. Renewed Vigor can be you bloat
> and control for SJ cross table. Slaughterhouse accelerates CR for your
> prey. The rest of the deck is combat wall.
Ok, let's say you bought me with this one. Interested. Could you
provide a sample decklist maybe?
wedge
> Ok, let's say you bought me with this one. Interested. Could you
> provide a sample decklist maybe?
Deck Name: Back from the Veil
Created By: Matt Wedge
Description: Here is something to get you started. I haven't played
it. So I don't know if the ratios are right. You should use burn
option for earley Slaughterhouses, if possible. Likewise, discard
Ashurs Tablets until you have seen all three. Might need to fing room
for the Sargon fragment as well, idk.
Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 8, Max: 28, Avg: 5.25)
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4 Matthias nec AUS FOR OBE 7 Salubri
3 Egothha obf AUS FOR NEC 7 Harbingers
of Skulls
1 Agaitas for AUS NEC 6 Harbingers
of Skulls
3 Anarch Convert 1 Caitiff
1 Le Dinh Tho aus dom NEC 5 Nagaraja
Library: (90 cards)
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Master (26 cards)
6 Slaughterhouse, The
1 Sight Beyond Sight
2 Therbold Realty
2 Parthenon, The
1 Failsafe
1 Jake Washington (Hunter)
2 Pentex Subversion
2 Smiling Jack, The Anarch
4 Villein
3 Ashur Tablets
2 Direct Intervention
Action (8 cards)
4 Renewed Vigor
2 Constant Revolution
1 Aranthebes, The Immortal
1 Soul Scan
Action Modifier (4 cards)
2 Freak Drive
2 Repulsion
Reaction (21 cards)
2 Eagle`s Sight
7 Eyes of Argus
6 Telepathic Misdirection
3 Enhanced Senses
3 On the Qui Vive
Combat (24 cards)
2 Mercy for Seth
4 Dead Hand
2 Telepathic Tracking
2 Aura Reading
3 Rolling with the Punches
2 Indomitability
3 Unflinching Persistence
3 Target Vitals
3 Taste of Vitae
Ally (1 cards)
1 Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
Equipment (3 cards)
1 Bowl of Convergence
1 Sniper Rifle
1 Ivory Bow
Event (1 cards)
1 Anthelios, the Red Star
Combo (2 cards)
2 Spectral Divination
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