French National Championship Qualifier Strasbourg 18th July 2009
eRol
Location of event: Librairie Shi Fu Mi / 31, rue du Marais Vert /
67000 Strasbourg
Date of event: 18th July 2009
Number of players in attendance at event: 13 Players
Zhe correct full name of the winning player: Erol Öngün
Zhe entire correct contents of zhe deck:
Deck Name: Do you mind 1.1
Created By: Erol
Description: Keep cool and wait till zhe cardhouse falls apart in
your favor(zhats how I see it ;) )
Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 22, Max: 43, Avg: 8,75)
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2 Anarch Convert 1 Caitiff
3 Arika aus cel DOM FOR OBF PRE11
Ventrue
2 Lucinde Alastor obf pot tha DOM FOR PRE 10
Ventrue
3 Marcus Vitel DOM FOR OBF OBT PRE10 Ventrue
2 Queen Anne aus obf DOM FOR PRE10 Ventrue
Library: (90 cards)
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Master (22 cards)
2 Dark Influences
3 Dreams of the Sphinx
1 Giant`s Blood
4 Heidelberg Castle, Germany
1 Information Highway
1 Monastery of Shadows
1 Pentex Subversion
1 Ventrue Headquarters
4 Villein
1 Wash
3 Zillah`s Valley
Action (11 cards)
1 Entrancement
2 Govern the Unaligned
8 Mind Rape
Action Modifier (25 cards)
3 Elder Impersonation
1 Enkil Cog
1 Faceless Night
4 Forgotten Labyrinth
6 Freak Drive
5 Lost in Crowds
2 Perfect Paragon
3 Voter Captivation
Political Action (9 cards)
1 Ancient Influence
1 Ancilla Empowerment
1 Banishment
4 Parity Shift
1 Political Stranglehold
1 Reins of Power
Reaction (14 cards)
7 Deflection
3 Obedience
2 On the Qui Vive
2 Second Tradition: Domain, The
Combat (5 cards)
5 Majesty
Equipment (1 cards)
1 Heart of Nizchetus
Event (1 cards)
1 Scourge of the Enochians
Combo (2 cards)
2 Force of Personality
Oko
> Name of event: French National Championship Qualifier Strasbourg
> Location of event: Librairie Shi Fu Mi / 31, rue du Marais Vert /
> 67000 Strasbourg
> Date of event: 18th July 2009
> Number of players in attendance at event: 13 Players
> Zhe correct full name of the winning player: Erol Öngün
> Zhe entire correct contents of zhe deck:
>
> Deck Name: Do you mind 1.1
> Created By: Erol
> Description: Keep cool and wait till zhe cardhouse falls apart in
> your favor(zhats how I see it ;) )
Wait and bleed?
Grats on your win, Erol. :)
eRol
Isnt that the name of a Slipknot song.
Peter D Bakija
> Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 22, Max: 43, Avg: 8,75)
> ----------------------------------------------
> 2 Anarch Convert 1 Caitiff
> 3 Arika aus cel DOM FOR OBF PRE11
> Ventrue
> 2 Lucinde Alastor obf pot tha DOM FOR PRE 10
> Ventrue
> 3 Marcus Vitel DOM FOR OBF OBT PRE10 Ventrue
> 2 Queen Anne aus obf DOM FOR PRE10 Ventrue
Ok, this is in no way a criticism of this deck (which looks totally
solid and reasonable), but in reference to the "maybe we should fix
contestation" thread, this is a perfect example of a deck that would
be completely screwed if it got its first minion contested--all the
vampires are big. It has crypt acceleration (likely as does whatever
deck might have the same minions). Just a accidental fantastic
example.
-Peter
Chris Berger
Not to dispute your thesis, but I would say that this is also an
example of a deck that I would love to see hosed by contestation.
Arika still holds the title of most broken vampire, not just because
of her disciplines and votes (which make her perfect and awesome in
this deck), but because of her disgusting special which has the
potential to mean virtually nothing against some decks and completely
hose some other decks that don't deserve to be hosed... Though that
isn't the only reason I like to see it hosed. People still complain
about weenies and think big vamps need to be powered up, but I still
think that the majority of overpowered decks tend toward the multiple
10-caps side of the spectrum.
Peter D Bakija
> Not to dispute your thesis, but I would say that this is also an
> example of a deck that I would love to see hosed by contestation.
Well, sure. But whether or not it is is, ya know, totally random. And
clearly not worrysome enough to keep someone from playing this deck.
And it could have just as well been made of 4 other huge vampires and
been in the same position (i.e. a deck that would be totally hosed by
early contestation issues).
-Peter
librarian
I disagree - this deck actually has some solid diversity in the crypt;
the designer can win (more difficult, sure) without Arika, or any one of
those vamps. Tough if xe's double contested, but if one vamp getting
contested is rare, having 2 contested is even rarer still...
I didn't mention it in the Contestation thread of doom; but when I won
the Qualifier with my Lutz deck, one of the games I won, I never saw
Lutz. I brought out the other IC's I had in my crypt, and did OK.
Crypt diversity, even for superstar decks, is a Good Thing (tm).
best -
chris
D.J.
> Peter D Bakija wrote:
> > On Jul 19, 10:44 pm, eRol <der.e...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 22, Max: 43, Avg: 8,75)
> >> ----------------------------------------------
> >> 2 Anarch Convert 1 Caitiff
> >> 3 Arika aus cel DOM FOR OBF PRE11
> >> Ventrue
> >> 2 Lucinde Alastor obf pot tha DOM FOR PRE 10
> >> Ventrue
> >> 3 Marcus Vitel DOM FOR OBF OBT PRE10 Ventrue
> >> 2 Queen Anne aus obf DOM FOR PRE10 Ventrue
>
> > Ok, this is in no way a criticism of this deck (which looks totally
> > solid and reasonable), but in reference to the "maybe we should fix
> > contestation" thread, this is a perfect example of a deck that would
> > be completely screwed if it got its first minion contested--all the
> > vampires are big. It has crypt acceleration (likely as does whatever
> > deck might have the same minions). Just a accidental fantastic
> > example.
>
> I disagree - this deck actually has some solid diversity in the crypt;
> the designer can win (more difficult, sure) without Arika, or any one of
> those vamps. Tough if xe's double contested, but if one vamp getting
> contested is rare, having 2 contested is even rarer still...
Yeah, but not the point.
If Erol's spent the first 2 turns and put 8 pool on a minion, and then
that minion pops up crosstable (or, if Erol's gone second, three turns
and all 10 blood and then it gets contested 'cause someone else would
be totally hosed), that's essentially game over. There's no way to
get that 8 to 10 pool back fast enough, as well as bring out another
minion (another 10 pool) and still survive most of the time.
- D.J.
Izaak
> If Erol's spent the first 2 turns and put 8 pool on a minion, and then
> that minion pops up crosstable (or, if Erol's gone second, three turns
> and all 10 blood and then it gets contested 'cause someone else would
> be totally hosed), that's essentially game over. There's no way to
> get that 8 to 10 pool back fast enough, as well as bring out another
> minion (another 10 pool) and still survive most of the time.
> - D.J.
Ye well, I didn't mingle in the contestation thread but that's not really
different from putting 1 on your 10-cap in the first turn and your predator
influencing out Mustafa Rahman and Ohanna on his turn.
You're going to get virtually ousted before taking your first action, except
apparently people are ok with this scenario, but not with contestation. I
mean, sure, randomly getting crosstable contested in the above described
situation sucks. I don't think it sucks any less than sitting first with a
10-cap and finding 4 Caitiff in your back. You're gonna lose with a
perfectly reasonable deck without having any fair chance. And it's just as
random.
That said, a reasonable solution would be to allow someone to spend 1
transfer to move 2 counters from 1 vampire to another. That would be simple,
a welcome addition to the rather limited amount of things you can do in the
influence phase and would at least not totally screw you out of the game
because you could use 1 turn to move 8 counters from Arika to someone else,
get bled for a bit and then have a minion out one turn later.