(Deck) Anti VA
The Lasombra
Any obvious items I've left out that advance the given strategy?
Deck Name : Anti VA
Author : The Lasombra
Description :
AuspexFortitude and AuspexGuns are plentiful on the tournament scene.
This deck attempts to attack their weaknesses by taking almost no
actions at stealth, doing damage that can't be prevented by fortitude,
and that neutralizes weapons. Uta Kovacs special abilities are the
key.
Crypt (12 vampires) Capacity min: 6 max: 9 average: 7.58333
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4x Uta Kovacs 8 AUS DOM THA ser !Tremere:4
3x Carna, The Princess 7 AUS DOM THA primogen Tremere:3
2x Troius 8 AUS DOM THA cel prince Tremere:4
1x Oliver Thrace 9 AUS DOM THA nec obf pot Tremere:3
1x Preston Varrick 7 DOM OBF THA aus nec Tremere:4
1x Muhsin Samir 6 DOM THA aus pot Tremere:4
Library (90 cards)
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Action (4)
4x Magic of the Smith
Action Modifier (13)
5x Conditioning
8x Serenading the Kami
Combat (38)
6x Apportation
8x Blood Fury
6x Rego Motus
5x Soul Burn
5x Target Vitals
2x Taste of Vitae
6x Telepathic Tracking
Equipment (4)
1x Ankara Citadel, Turkey, The
1x Flak Jacket
1x Heart of Nizchetus
1x Kevlar Vest
Master (15)
1x Academic Hunting Ground
1x Arcane Library
2x Blood Doll
1x Bravo
1x Depravity
2x Fame
1x Giant's Blood
3x Guardian Angel
3x Villein
Reaction (16)
8x Deflection
4x Eyes of Argus
4x On the Qui Vive
Juggernaut1981
I would have maybe thought to see the Sword of Nuln in there with
everything else.
The Lasombra
>> Deck Name : Anti VA
>> Author : The Lasombra
>> Description :
>> AuspexFortitude and AuspexGuns are plentiful on the tournament scene.
>> This deck attempts to attack their weaknesses by taking almost no
>> actions at stealth, doing damage that can't be prevented by fortitude,
>> and that neutralizes weapons. �Uta Kovacs special abilities are the
>> key.
>I would have maybe thought to see the Sword of Nuln in there with
>everything else.
It neither works around fortitude nor neutralizes weapons.
I don't see the value of adding it to the deck.
Carpe noctem.
The Lasombra
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Haze
Swap out some Deflections for Telepathic Misdirections? if Carna gets
pentexed, you'll have a hard time stopping votes. or anything that
isn't a (D) action.
I would be tempted to splash in a Form of Corruption or maybe a
Temptation for Uta to play. they do start at 0 stealth, and are pretty
strong if you actually get one through. an extra bleeder every turn
can help mop up a defeated prey.
Maegnar
This deck is allmost identical to mine. I allways get those surprised
"What the...? Tremere in HtH combat???" looks :) Thou I have some
Biothaumaturgical experiments for extra damage and maneuvers to catch
up with that weenie with a magnum. I've also throwed in a Black
Gloves. Not sure I will leave them there, but in a single game I had
them, that was a very strong argument against any attempts to block
me.
quickbeam
With only six Apportations, and no other manuevers, I would cut a few
Serenadings for space, to fit in some Theft of Vitae and the Ruins of
Ceoris.
>
> Combat (38)
> 6x Apportation
> 8x Blood Fury
> 6x Rego Motus
> 5x Soul Burn
> 5x Target Vitals
> 2x Taste of Vitae
> 6x Telepathic Tracking
>
There should be some Theft of Vitae in here. I play a lot of
Fortitude decks, and Theft gives me fits. In particular, using a
Biothaumaturgic Experiment to manuever to long range, Theft,
Apportation, Blood Fury is a good way to put down minions who have
blood on them and a fistful of prevention. I know that
Biothaumaturgic Experiment is done at stealth, but given your
commitment to the incredibly dubious Serenading the Kami, I don't
think putting in one Experiment would hurt you.
I'm not a fan of Telepathic Tracking. I can see why it is in here,
but I think six is overkill. If used in the early game, it may not be
enough to get past S:CE anyway. I think surviving to a mid or end
game, and picking targets might be a better strategy, letting you go
with four or fewer Telepathic Trackings. Multiact or multireact may
serve better against S:CE. Aura Reading would definitely let you know
when it is time to unload on opponents.
> Equipment (4)
> 1x Ankara Citadel, Turkey, The
> 1x Flak Jacket
> 1x Heart of Nizchetus
Aura Reading might be a faster option for hand cycling, and will help
with the trump combat angle. You also could use it in conjunction
with the Heart of Cheating.
> 1x Kevlar Vest
If any equipment at all is going in, the Bowl of Convergence should go
in. Given that Uta is such a focus, I would add Ruins of Ceoris in
here.
>
> Master (15)
> 1x Academic Hunting Ground
> 1x Arcane Library
> 2x Blood Doll
> 1x Bravo
> 1x Depravity
> 2x Fame
> 1x Giant's Blood
> 3x Guardian Angel
> 3x Villein
>
> Reaction (16)
> 8x Deflection
> 4x Eyes of Argus
> 4x On the Qui Vive
I would swap out one of the Eyes of Argus for an Enhanced Senses.
Good luck.
-Dave Clooney
Matthew T. Morgan
> Thoughts for improvement?
> Any obvious items I've left out that advance the given strategy?
>
>
> Deck Name : Anti VA
> Author : The Lasombra
> Description :
> AuspexFortitude and AuspexGuns are plentiful on the tournament scene.
> This deck attempts to attack their weaknesses by taking almost no
> actions at stealth, doing damage that can't be prevented by fortitude,
> and that neutralizes weapons. Uta Kovacs special abilities are the
> key.
Cool idea.
> Crypt (12 vampires) Capacity min: 6 max: 9 average: 7.58333
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> 4x Uta Kovacs 8 AUS DOM THA ser !Tremere:4
> 3x Carna, The Princess 7 AUS DOM THA primogen Tremere:3
> 2x Troius 8 AUS DOM THA cel prince Tremere:4
> 1x Oliver Thrace 9 AUS DOM THA nec obf pot Tremere:3
> 1x Preston Varrick 7 DOM OBF THA aus nec Tremere:4
> 1x Muhsin Samir 6 DOM THA aus pot Tremere:4
Without having like 8x Govern, I think your crypt is too big. You don't
really need DOM in this deck. Inferior dominate is fine. Either retool
for Governs or put in some smaller guys. Cohn Rose and Eugenio Estevez
would work well, if you want to keep the crypt mostly Tremere. Otherwise
you've got Antonio d'Erlette, Yasmin and Selena. You could even get a
couple dom/tha guys to run errands. They are cheap.
> Library (90 cards)
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Action (4)
> 4x Magic of the Smith
Might as well play a Biothaum or two in a deck like this. Where else are
you going to use them?
> Action Modifier (13)
> 5x Conditioning
> 8x Serenading the Kami
>
> Combat (38)
> 6x Apportation
> 8x Blood Fury
> 6x Rego Motus
> 5x Soul Burn
> 5x Target Vitals
> 2x Taste of Vitae
> 6x Telepathic Tracking
If you need room for other stuff, you could probably lose the Target
Vitals since you can already hit for 5 a lot and you aren't really going
to handjam people on their worthless Fortitude cards when they can just
discard them to cancel your TV. I agree with Dave that Theft has a place
here.
> Equipment (4)
> 1x Ankara Citadel, Turkey, The
> 1x Flak Jacket
> 1x Heart of Nizchetus
> 1x Kevlar Vest
I think the Bowl belongs here just because Carna likes it so much. You
also might consider the Ivory Bow. I know it doesn't directly meet the
goals of the deck, but it's so good. Sometimes built-in rush + Ivory Bow
is all you need.
> Master (15)
> 1x Academic Hunting Ground
> 1x Arcane Library
> 2x Blood Doll
> 1x Bravo
Monster instead?
> 1x Depravity
> 2x Fame
> 1x Giant's Blood
> 3x Guardian Angel
With limited pool gain, I don't see you affording three of these. I know
it's important to protect your vampires, but you do have the vests and
Rego Motus. The Barrens might be better as the deck is pretty toolboxy
and could be subject to hand jam.
> 3x Villein
>
> Reaction (16)
> 8x Deflection
> 4x Eyes of Argus
> 4x On the Qui Vive
>
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Juggernaut1981
> > Crypt (12 vampires) Capacity min: 6 max: 9 average: 7.58333
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > 4x Uta Kovacs 8 AUS DOM THA ser !Tremere:4
> > 3x Carna, The Princess 7 AUS DOM THA primogen Tremere:3
> > 2x Troius 8 AUS DOM THA cel prince Tremere:4
> > 1x Oliver Thrace 9 AUS DOM THA nec obf pot Tremere:3
> > 1x Preston Varrick 7 DOM OBF THA aus nec Tremere:4
> > 1x Muhsin Samir 6 DOM THA aus pot Tremere:4
>
> > Library (90 cards)
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Action (4)
> > 4x Magic of the Smith
>
> > Action Modifier (13)
> > 5x Conditioning
> > 8x Serenading the Kami
>
> With only six Apportations, and no other manuevers, I would cut a few
> Serenadings for space, to fit in some Theft of Vitae and the Ruins of
> Ceoris.
I'd be dumping Serenading the Kami for Biothaumaturgic Experiments...
those a shiney.
> > Combat (38)
> > 6x Apportation
> > 8x Blood Fury
> > 6x Rego Motus
> > 5x Soul Burn
> > 5x Target Vitals
> > 2x Taste of Vitae
> > 6x Telepathic Tracking
>
> There should be some Theft of Vitae in here. I play a lot of
> Fortitude decks, and Theft gives me fits. In particular, using a
> Biothaumaturgic Experiment to manuever to long range, Theft,
> Apportation, Blood Fury is a good way to put down minions who have
> blood on them and a fistful of prevention. I know that
> Biothaumaturgic Experiment is done at stealth, but given your
> commitment to the incredibly dubious Serenading the Kami, I don't
> think putting in one Experiment would hurt you.
I wouldn't have the Thefts. He's punching so that Fortitude won't
work, and that covers most prevent situations realistically except for
the [PRO] Flesh of Marble-Agg type decks. Using the experiments to
run to close, Blood Rage/Fury + Taste of Vitae would work fine for
blood regain. I'd potentially consider putting in Target Head rather
than Target Vitals. Stopping additionals and presses will help shut
down Celerity and Animalism combat.
The Lasombra
>Swap out some Deflections for Telepathic Misdirections? if Carna gets
>pentexed, you'll have a hard time stopping votes. or anything that
>isn't a (D) action.
Perhaps.
I hope to not do a lot of blocking, as Carna +8 Deflections leads to a
lot of "can I hunt" and "this vote won't target you", especially if
she's got Ankara and can throw down a lot of damage all at once.
>I would be tempted to splash in a Form of Corruption or maybe a
>Temptation for Uta to play. they do start at 0 stealth, and are pretty
>strong if you actually get one through. an extra bleeder every turn
>can help mop up a defeated prey.
Tempting, but I expect Uta to take 8 rush actions with the StK
modifiers. I don't know that she will have time to do much more.
The Lasombra
>This deck is allmost identical to mine. I allways get those surprised
>"What the...? Tremere in HtH combat???" looks :) Thou I have some
>Biothaumaturgical experiments for extra damage and maneuvers to catch
>up with that weenie with a magnum. I've also throwed in a Black
>Gloves. Not sure I will leave them there, but in a single game I had
>them, that was a very strong argument against any attempts to block
>me.
BioThaum looks good to me, but it is another tool up action that can
be blocked. I may try 2 in the deck anyway.
The Lasombra
>> Deck Name : Anti VA
>> Author : The Lasombra
>> Description :
>> AuspexFortitude and AuspexGuns are plentiful on the tournament scene.
>> This deck attempts to attack their weaknesses by taking almost no
>> actions at stealth, doing damage that can't be prevented by fortitude,
>> and that neutralizes weapons. �Uta Kovacs special abilities are the
>> key.
>> � 8x Serenading the Kami
>With only six Apportations, and no other manuevers, I would cut a few
>Serenadings for space, to fit in some Theft of Vitae and the Ruins of
>Ceoris.
Ruins is a definite include. Theft is not, as it does not neutralize
weapons.
>> Combat (38)
>> � 6x Apportation
>> � 8x Blood Fury
>> � 6x Rego Motus
>> � 5x Soul Burn
>> � 5x Target Vitals
>> � 2x Taste of Vitae
>> � 6x Telepathic Tracking
>There should be some Theft of Vitae in here. I play a lot of
>Fortitude decks, and Theft gives me fits.
Which gets me shot by the guns...
>In particular, using a
>Biothaumaturgic Experiment to manuever to long range, Theft,
>Apportation, Blood Fury is a good way to put down minions who have
>blood on them and a fistful of prevention. I know that
>Biothaumaturgic Experiment is done at stealth, but given your
>commitment to the incredibly dubious Serenading the Kami, I don't
>think putting in one Experiment would hurt you.
Incredibly dubious? Free Torn Signpost that you can cycle before
combat? I certainly don't agree.
Uta = free StK
Any Tremere + Ankara Citadel = free StK
>I'm not a fan of Telepathic Tracking. I can see why it is in here,
>but I think six is overkill. If used in the early game, it may not be
>enough to get past S:CE anyway. I think surviving to a mid or end
>game, and picking targets might be a better strategy, letting you go
>with four or fewer Telepathic Trackings. Multiact or multireact may
>serve better against S:CE. Aura Reading would definitely let you know
>when it is time to unload on opponents.
Rutor's Hand would eat up too much blood. I'm likely to only have 12
turns, if the deck is successful. Two of those will be used to bring
Uta into play. Her first 8 actions are spoken for, as her built in
Rush.
>> Equipment (4)
>> � 1x Ankara Citadel, Turkey, The
>> � 1x Flak Jacket
>> � 1x Heart of Nizchetus
>Aura Reading might be a faster option for hand cycling, and will help
>with the trump combat angle. You also could use it in conjunction
>with the Heart of Cheating.
Heart is in to contest. I wouldn't consider playing a deck in a
tournament in Georgia without one.
>> � 1x Kevlar Vest
>If any equipment at all is going in, the Bowl of Convergence should go
>in. Given that Uta is such a focus, I would add Ruins of Ceoris in
>here.
Bowl and Ruins, with Ruins more likely than Bowl. If there's
something Auspex decks like those mentioned as the reason for the deck
would love to reach out and stop a Bowl.
>I would swap out one of the Eyes of Argus for an Enhanced Senses.
>Good luck.
Thanks!
The Lasombra
>I'd be dumping Serenading the Kami for Biothaumaturgic Experiments...
>those a shiney.
BioThaum is an action that can be blocked. StK is played for free on
the actions I really want to take (i.e. the Rush).
One or two BioThaum may make it in as a test, in any case.
>I wouldn't have the Thefts. He's punching so that Fortitude won't
>work, and that covers most prevent situations realistically except for
>the [PRO] Flesh of Marble-Agg type decks. Using the experiments to
>run to close, Blood Rage/Fury + Taste of Vitae would work fine for
>blood regain. I'd potentially consider putting in Target Head rather
>than Target Vitals. Stopping additionals and presses will help shut
>down Celerity and Animalism combat.
Target Head may work. I'll have to try them out and see. I'm
inclined to replace most of the Targets with Taste of Vitae.
The Lasombra
>> 1x Bravo
>Monster instead?
Monster is spend blood, Bravo is gain. Will try it a few times each
way. I think that if I don't swap the Targets for Taste of Vitae then
Bravo will need to stay in.
>> 1x Depravity
>> 2x Fame
>> 1x Giant's Blood
>> 3x Guardian Angel
>With limited pool gain, I don't see you affording three of these. I know
>it's important to protect your vampires, but you do have the vests and
>Rego Motus. The Barrens might be better as the deck is pretty toolboxy
>and could be subject to hand jam.
I only want enough Guardian Angel to get one early. The second two
can be discarded or played as appropriate during the game.
Heart of Cheating should address everything that Barrens could do, and
more.
Juggernaut1981
> Target Head may work. I'll have to try them out and see. I'm
> inclined to replace most of the Targets with Taste of Vitae.
I've found they can be really good for King-Hit type decks. They may
not draw out S:CE all over the place, but they DO force Cel-Combat and
Ani-Combat to consider if they let the combat fizzle & get hurt more,
or dump cards they'd prefer to be using on you... It's a lovely little
catch 22. If they have a hand of Red Cards, T:H does squat (and so
would T:V) but if you catch them with a nice mixed hand... the tension
in the mind... "Do I dump the Blur to be able to press with Flash?"
"Do I dump a Carrion Crows so I can press with my Bats?" "Can I
afford to take 7 from Uta instead of 5? If I take 7 can I bin her
next round anyway???"
Kevin M.
> KJM Said...
Nope, didn't say that. You thinkin' about me Jugg? ;)
(for the future wayback machine)
Juggernaut1981
WAAAAAAAY back :P
I'm sorry KJM, Clearly I'm dreaming of you...
*start Bing Crosby voice*
"I'm dreaming of a Kev Mergen,
Just like the one I used to know..."
Dr.Mafrune
Dear Lasombra,
as you surely know the best way to cope with fortitude and weapons is
animalism.
Blood fury is no reliable source to deal with weapons, as long as you
need to be at close range. Your formula is too card intensive (at
least in the way I play Vtes) to have decent combats regulary. Your
vampires will at mid-game be offen exausted.
If you want to stay to a tremere deck, in my modest oppinion, I think
you can choose
Gabrielle de Righetti & Dr.John Dee. With a cheap and card effective
combo like carrion crows + theft of vitae, whether auspex-fortitude
nor auspex-guns decks will last for long. You can enter anyway combat
indirectly by stealing every turn blood with Gabrielle.
If you want anyway to use Uta Kowacs, I would apply a tested deck
system called Euroxxxx, which consists of a titled prince/justicar
vampire + a systematic rusher.
Examples: Eurobrujah, Euronosferatu ( 1/2 or 4/5), Eurotremere (3/4 or
4/5)
80-82 cards
Master-Events 10-13 (which normally include cards like, tension in the
ranks, depravity, vessel, giant´s blood, perfectionist....)
Actions + Modifiers 14-18 ( with normally include 6-8 govern or fourth
tradition, a pair of parity shift...)
Reaction 14-17 ( which include 8-10 second tradition, 4-6
deflection.....)
Combat 34-42 (with 6-8 combat-end hosers,4-6 taste of vitae,....)
In your combat module I think is better to use theft of vitae in
combination with presses and blood to water (to burn 5 blood for 1
sounds pretty good) to avoid prevention, than to use serenading kami,
maneuvers and blood fury; because in the first option you don´t need
to be acting minion to work and it can deal with non-fortitude
prevention also.
I hope this post will help you to build your desired deck.
Cheers,
Dr.Mafrune
The Lasombra
> > Thoughts for improvement?
> > Any obvious items I've left out that advance the given strategy?
> > actions at stealth, doing damage that can't be prevented by fortitude,
> > and that neutralizes weapons. Uta Kovacs special abilities are the
> > key.
> Dear Lasombra,
Hello Dr. Mafrune.
> as you surely know the best way to cope with fortitude and weapons is
> animalism.
No, I certainly disagree with that. Pool removal is the best way to
deal with weapons. i.e. oust the player before the weapons matter.
In those cases where you cannot oust the player before their weapons
become a concern, like when Hugh Angseesing is your grand-prey during
the second day of a continental championship tournament, is when you
need to deal with weapons with combat cards.
> Blood fury is no reliable source to deal with weapons, as long as you
> need to be at close range.
Blood Fury completely invalidates Weighted Walking Stick, the most
common source of weapon damage in large tournaments in my
experience. .44 Magnum being close second, but that is going to be
used by the celerity using vampires and thaumaturgy cannot compete on
the maneuver field with that deck in any case.
>Your formula is too card intensive (at least in the way I play Vtes) to have decent combats regulary.
My formula is 1 combat on my turn for 8 turns. Uta rushes, and until
I gain a third vampire, that is my only action. That's plenty
regularly.
> Your vampires will at mid-game be offen exhausted.
Not in my experience with this deck.
> If you want to stay to a tremere deck, in my modest oppinion, I think
> you can choose Gabrielle de Righetti & Dr.John Dee.
That's a completely different deck, which I have. See also:
http://www.TheLasombra.com/decks.htm
> With a cheap and card effective combo like carrion crows + theft of vitae, whether auspex-fortitude
> nor auspex-guns decks will last for long.
Theft is prevented 100% by Immortal Grapple. Uta + Depravity +
Serenading the Kami = four hand damage with no combat cards played,
six with Blood Fury. That will remove most auspex minions.
> You can enter anyway combat
> indirectly by stealing every turn blood with Gabrielle.
Indirectly doesn't work.
If losing 2 blood is preferable to the victim than combat, then they
are in control.
The point of a rush deck is have control myself, not to give it to my
prey.
Indirect combat is like bad bruise bleed.
> If you want anyway to use Uta Kowacs, I would apply a tested deck
> system called Euroxxxx, which consists of a titled prince/justicar
> vampire + a systematic rusher.
Which is what I have, Trois + Uta.
> In your combat module I think is better to use theft of vitae in
> combination with presses and blood to water (to burn 5 blood for 1
> sounds pretty good) to avoid prevention, than to use serenading kami,
> maneuvers and blood fury; because in the first option you don´t need
> to be acting minion to work and it can deal with non-fortitude
> prevention also.
I disagree. The longer you are in combat the more likely it is that
something bad will happen to your minions. The one or two points of
damage prevention from permanent sources (flak jacket, guardian angel,
kevlar vest) won't sustain your minions help over multiple rounds.
> I hope this post will help you to build your desired deck.
No, you seem this deck discarded to fit your notions of a Tremere
deck.
Thanks for trying though.
Carpe noctem.
Lasombra
Dr.Mafrune
> On Dec 9, 9:55 am, "Dr.Mafrune" <tristan.endr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Thoughts for improvement?
> > > Any obvious items I've left out that advance the given strategy?
> > > This deck attempts to attack their weaknesses by taking almost no
> > > actions at stealth, doing damage that can't be prevented by fortitude,
> > > and that neutralizes weapons. Uta Kovacs special abilities are the
> > > key.
> > Dear Lasombra,
>
> Hello Dr. Mafrune.
>
> > as you surely know the best way to cope with fortitude and weapons is
> > animalism.
>
> No, I certainly disagree with that. Pool removal is the best way to
> deal with weapons. i.e. oust the player before the weapons matter.
This is not a comment that can be applied to this case. Don´t play the
"smart boy"... of course if I play a weenie-dom/dem/pre or crossed
politics if you are my prey/target you have lot of chances of being
ousted... and is this the solution to cope with weapons? That was not
the point.
If your deck is around combat, I make comments to deal for+weapons
WITH combat, and in my personal experience animalism is one of the
best forms to cope with both.
> In those cases where you cannot oust the player before their weapons
> become a concern, like when Hugh Angseesing is your grand-prey during
> the second day of a continental championship tournament, is when you
> need to deal with weapons with combat cards.
>
> > Blood fury is no reliable source to deal with weapons, as long as you
> > need to be at close range.
>
> Blood Fury completely invalidates Weighted Walking Stick, the most
> common source of weapon damage in large tournaments in my
> experience. .44 Magnum being close second, but that is going to be
> used by the celerity using vampires and thaumaturgy cannot compete on
> the maneuver field with that deck in any case.
The blood fury is really good when you are the reacting vampire, if
you are the acting vampire like Uta in combat is not so good, the
other vampire will strike with bare hand instead of the stick.
> >Your formula is too card intensive (at least in the way I play Vtes) to have decent combats regulary.
>
> My formula is 1 combat on my turn for 8 turns. Uta rushes, and until
> I gain a third vampire, that is my only action. That's plenty
> regularly.
>
> > Your vampires will at mid-game be offen exhausted.
>
> Not in my experience with this deck.
Sorry I didn´t see the guardian angels at first.
> > If you want to stay to a tremere deck, in my modest oppinion, I think
> > you can choose Gabrielle de Righetti & Dr.John Dee.
>
> That's a completely different deck, which I have. See also:http://www.TheLasombra.com/decks.htm
Indeed it is. It´s an alternative.
> > With a cheap and card effective combo like carrion crows + theft of vitae, whether auspex-fortitude
> > nor auspex-guns decks will last for long.
>
> Theft is prevented 100% by Immortal Grapple. Uta + Depravity +
> Serenading the Kami = four hand damage with no combat cards played,
> six with Blood Fury. That will remove most auspex minions.
Again.... "smart boy". In vtes there´s always a triumph card vs
another.That is nothing new. I thought the point was for+weapons.
Objectively see both combos:
Kami+fury
It works against grapple. It works against for. total damage 5.
Invalid weapon strike.
Not valid at ranged. Not valid against dodge.Not valid if not acting.
Only affordable with Uta or Ankara.
Theft + crows
Do works halve with grapple. If the other vampire is empty or dodges
works halve. If the other minion has a weapon you get striked by it.
Need two disciplines.
Total damage 4. You can gain 2 blood. Difficult to prevent with any
discipline or method. Works also ranged.
I think the second combo has more advantages than the first.
> > You can enter anyway combat
> > indirectly by stealing every turn blood with Gabrielle.
>
> Indirectly doesn't work.
> If losing 2 blood is preferable to the victim than combat, then they
> are in control.
> The point of a rush deck is have control myself, not to give it to my
> prey.
> Indirect combat is like bad bruise bleed.
This is a absolutely solid and valid argument. If you don´t rush you
are not controlling the situation.
> > If you want anyway to use Uta Kowacs, I would apply a tested deck
> > system called Euroxxxx, which consists of a titled prince/justicar
> > vampire + a systematic rusher.
>
> Which is what I have, Trois + Uta.
Please, finish to read what I have written, then make your critic. A
full mechanism of deck making is explained. Make critic of it, not
just after two line reading.
> > In your combat module I think is better to use theft of vitae in
> > combination with presses and blood to water (to burn 5 blood for 1
> > sounds pretty good) to avoid prevention, than to use serenading kami,
> > maneuvers and blood fury; because in the first option you don´t need
> > to be acting minion to work and it can deal with non-fortitude
> > prevention also.
>
> I disagree. The longer you are in combat the more likely it is that
> something bad will happen to your minions. The one or two points of
> damage prevention from permanent sources (flak jacket, guardian angel,
> kevlar vest) won't sustain your minions help over multiple rounds.
Another solid argument. You want a deck that can win on a heavy combat
enviroment.
I thought it was tinkered for a less combative enviroment. That is why
I proposed the blood to water formula.
> > I hope this post will help you to build your desired deck.
>
> No, you seem this deck discarded to fit your notions of a Tremere
> deck.
> Thanks for trying though.
I propose a tested deck system where a simmilar deck like yours can be
perfectly fitted and you say that I can´t fit a deck like yours???????
Don´t really see the point of insulting me.
>
> Carpe noctem.
>
> Lasombra
>
> http://www.TheLasombra.com
Bye
The Lasombra
> > > > Thoughts for improvement?
> > > > Any obvious items I've left out that advance the given strategy?
> > > > This deck attempts to attack their weaknesses by taking almost no
> > > > actions at stealth, doing damage that can't be prevented by fortitude,
> > > > and that neutralizes weapons. Uta Kovacs special abilities are the
> > > > key.
> > No, I certainly disagree with that. Pool removal is the best way to
> > deal with weapons. i.e. oust the player before the weapons matter.
> This is not a comment that can be applied to this case. Don´t play the
> "smart boy"...
Don't call me boy.
I didn't denigrate you, there is no call for diminutives or harassment
of persons on this thread.
> of course if I play a weenie-dom/dem/pre or crossed
> politics if you are my prey/target you have lot of chances of being
> ousted... and is this the solution to cope with weapons? That was not
> the point.
Agreed.
An Uta Kovacs deck is 100% the point.
> If your deck is around combat, I make comments to deal for+weapons
> WITH combat, and in my personal experience animalism is one of the
> best forms to cope with both.
Ok.
But that won't be an Uta Kovacs deck, and thus is completely
inappropriate while discussing this deck.
> The blood fury is really good when you are the reacting vampire, if
> you are the acting vampire like Uta in combat is not so good, the
> other vampire will strike with bare hand instead of the stick.
And bare hands will be prevented with Guardian Angel, or Flak Jacket,
or Kevlar Vest.
Convincing your opponents to play by your rules is how you make combat
win.
> Again.... "smart boy".
Again, don't call me boy.
The point of the deck is Uta Kovacs, Thaumaturgy, and getting around
weapons and fortitude.
Notice the 4 copies of Uta there?
> Theft + crows
Doesn't work with the minions in the deck.
See deck.
> I think the second combo has more advantages than the first.
It has different advantages, certainly. It isn't this deck.
Your advice to throw this deck away and play a different one has no
constructive value.
> Please, finish to read what I have written, then make your critic.
Done.
> A
> full mechanism of deck making is explained. Make critic of it, not
> just after two line reading.
No thanks.
You couldn't be bothered to understand the deck presented, so your
suggested changes of "use a different crypt, use different
disciplines" has no value in this thread and will not improve this
deck.
> Another solid argument. You want a deck that can win on a heavy combat
> enviroment.
> I thought it was tinkered for a less combative enviroment. That is why
> I proposed the blood to water formula.
It is designed for tournament combat. Majesty will be prevalent.
Weenie Auspex will be prevalent. Ventrue Antitribu will be
prevalent.
> I propose a tested deck system where a simmilar deck like yours can be
> perfectly fitted and you say that I can´t fit a deck like yours???????
I say that you did not apply it to my deck at all.
Your proposal: Completely different crypt, completely different
disciplines.
> Don´t really see the point of insulting me.
Indeed.
That's why there weren't any insults to "you" in the reply.
My mastery of the English language while typing is historically
impaired, see also the missing words from many of the sentences in my
original reply. It may appear that you are reading things into the
words chosen that are not there.
As an example:
"No, you seem this deck discarded to fit your notions of a Tremere
deck."
Should have been:
"No, you seem to believe that this deck should be discarded to build a
different Tremere deck."
Have a nice day.
Carpe noctem.
Lasombra
Dr.Mafrune
No, absolutely not. If I say that this deck fits in the structure I
posted is because truthfully think you can make a deck with this
structure which is quite the same.
Let´s make an example:
Deck name: Lasombra´s Eurotremere
Crypt
5 Uta Kovacs
2 Gabrielle
2 Dr.John Dee
1 Troius
2 Others
Library 82
Master 12
2 Guardian Angel
2 Fame
3 Villein
1 Arcane Library
1 Giants
1 Depravity
2 Blood doll
Actions 16
6 Govern the unaligned
4 Magic of the smith
2 Parity Shift
1 heart
1 flak
1 kevlar
1 ankara
Reaction 15
6 deflection
9 second tradition
Modiers + Combat 39 ( because kami is considered combat also)
5 serenading the kami
5 telepathic tracking
2 taste of vitae
7 blood fury
7 apportation
4 soul burn
4 target vitals
5 rego motus
It´s pretty simmilar. Don´t you think so?
PD: Excuse me for the "smart boy", sometimes I´m a little edgy.
The Lasombra
>No, absolutely not. If I say that this deck fits in the structure I
>posted is because truthfully think you can make a deck with this
>structure which is quite the same.
>Let�s make an example:
>Deck name: Lasombra�s Eurotremere
You mean like this one from a year ago?
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rgtcjdeckarchive/message/5502
http://www.thelasombra.com/decks/uta_rego_motus.htm
That one does ok.
It allows too much intercept to be cycled by weenie Auspex or Ventrue
Antitribu.
To more effectively fight those specific decks, which I will see in my
next tournament, I need to keep as much intercept in their hands
unplayed as possible.
Raziel
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:26:40 -0800 (PST), "Dr.Mafrune" wrote:
> >No, absolutely not. If I say that this deck fits in the structure I
> >posted is because truthfully think you can make a deck with this
> >structure which is quite the same.
> >Let s make an example:
> >Deck name: Lasombra s Eurotremere
>
>
> That one does ok.
> It allows too much intercept to be cycled by weenie Auspex or Ventrue
> Antitribu.
>
> To more effectively fight those specific decks, which I will see in my
> next tournament, I need to keep as much intercept in their hands
> unplayed as possible.
Magic of the Smith allow them to cycle 3/4/5/6 cards ... (on the qui
vive, eyes of arbuz, eagle sight superior, enchanted senses, telepatic
misdirection/my enemy's enemy, precognition/spirit's touch).
The Lasombra
>> To more effectively fight those specific decks, which I will see in my
>> next tournament, I need to keep as much intercept in their hands
>> unplayed as possible.
>Magic of the Smith allow them to cycle 3/4/5/6 cards ... (on the qui
>vive, eyes of arbuz, eagle sight superior, enchanted senses, telepatic
>misdirection/my enemy's enemy, precognition/spirit's touch).
Those are the very few actions that are worth the risk.
One for Uta, to get a Ruins or the Heart or a Kevlar Vest, and one for
the Tremere to get the Ankara Citadel. I will expect to discard them
if they come up while I am next to the weenie Auspex or Ventrue
Antitribu decks.
Maegnar
I've mentioned earlier, that I've got a similar deck to yours (I said
it was almost identical, thou that was an overstatement).
This is how it looks like:
Crypt (12 vampires)
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4x Uta Kovacs
3x Paul Cordwood
3x Ash Harrison
2x Valerius Mayor
Library (90 cards)
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Action (11)
3x Biothaumaturgic Experiment
6x Govern the Unaligned
2x Rutor's Hand
Action Modifier (23)
5x Crocodile's Tongue
3x Mirror Walk
5x Sedduction
7x Serenading the Kami
3x Threats
Combat (27)
4x Apportation
6x Blood Fury
3x Blood Rage
4x Rego Motus
5x Soul Burn
5x Taste of Vitae
Equipment (2)
1x Black Gloves
1x Heart of Nizchetus
Master (15)
1x Archon Investigation
4x Blood Doll
1x Barrens, The
1x Depravity
1x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Festivo dello Estino
2x Perfectionist
2x Spirit Summoning Chamber
1x Guardian Angel
1x Villein
Reaction (12)
6x Telepathic Misdirection
3x Wake with Evening Freshness
3x On the Qui Vive