Millenium Cultist deck -SPOLIERS!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!!!!

d21...@yahoo.com.au

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You wouldn't want me to be a dirty rat now.....would ya!!!! ;o)

Post the Hate!!!!!

:-)

The Lasombra

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Reverend Adam Antski
15 Capacity
DOM FOR POT PRE OBF SER
Independent. 4 Votes. Revered Adam Antski can call a referendum to
win the game at +3 stealth. Reverend Adam Antski gets +3 stealth on
all bleed actions and is not restricted by the no repeat actions rule.
Gain pool equal to the number of blood counters on the Reverend Adam
Antski each time he untaps.

Red Hot Iron Arms of Death
Potence
costs 1 blood
inferior: 7 ranged aggrivated damage, as a hand strike.
superior: 10 ranged aggrivated damage, as a hand strike.

I Win!
master card
Play this master card. Your current prey is immediately ousted. Only
playable if you control Reverend Adam Antski and have more than 5
pool.

Steely Tenacity of the Eldest
Action modifier
2 blood
Requires a Non-camarilla vampire with a capacity above 10.
Play after a combat between this vampire and a Camarilla vampire ends.
Only playable if both combatants are ready. The opposing vampire is
burned. Only one Steely Tenacity of the Eldest may be played by you
each turn.

Enigma's Return to Innocence
Action
4 blood
Requires a ready vampire. (D) Bleed your prey with +X bleed, where X
is the capacity of the acting vampire. Burn this vampire if this
action is successful. You must Vogue or Twist while this action is in
progress or the action fails.

Vial of Methuselah Vitae
Equipment
Unique.
Tap and burn this equipment to gain 10 pool.

The Cultist is Nergal's Bitch
Action
Only playable if you control a Baali and a Cultist. Burn all vampires
with capacity less than 5 controlled by your predator and prey. Each
burned vampire becomes an non-unique Infernal Demon named Dave with 3
strength, 3 bleed, and a mandatory untap every minion phase. This
Infernal Demon gains 2 blood for each successful action it takes.

Tribute to the Black Dog Game Factory
Requires Ventrue
D Action, Cost x blood
If this action is not blocked, name a card. Search that Methuselah's
library for all copies of that card and pay x blood, where x is the
number of copies you find. If you cannot pay the cost, the action is
not successful. If the action succeeds, put the cards into your hand
and discard down to your maximum hand size.

Department of Egyptology, British Museum.
Master.
Unique Location, Cost 1 pool.
Requires Setite.
Whenever a vampire successfully plays Mummify, or a Mummy ally is
successfully recruited, you gain one pool. The Prince of Cairo may
take a +1 stealth D action to take control of this location.

Cultist's Dual Rush
Tap another of your untapped, controlled Cultists when you play
this card. Both this acting Cultist and the chosen Cultist. Both
vampires enter combat with a ready vampire of your predator and prey.
During this combat, only this acting Cultist and the defending vampire
can play "before range" cards. The defending vampire can choose to
strike this acting Cultist or the chosen Cultist, but not both. At the
end of combat, if one of your Cultists is burned or in torpor, the
other burns 2 blood.

Cultist's Dramatic Upheaval
Political Action
Political Card-Worth 1 Vote
Called by any Cultist at +1 stealth. Choose a Methuselah. Successful
vote means you switch places with that Methuselah and gain 6 pool.

Cultist's Revelation of the Sire
1 blood
Action
Requires the Reverend Adam Antski or a Cultist who is not considered a
Caitiff. Choose a vampire. Put this card on that vampire; this is a
(D) action if you do not control that vampire. That vampire is now
considered to be a Cultist; he or she is no longer considered a
vampire. His or her capacity increases by 1.

Cultist's Phobia
Action
Requires a ready Cultist or the Reverend Adam Antski.
(D) Put this card on any vampire. Each and every master phase, you may
put a phobia counter on this card. If a minion you control blocks the
vampire with this card, you may burn five counters from this card
before range is chosen to end combat.

Cultist's Drive-by-Shooting
Action
+1 Stealth
Only usable if the acting minion is carrying a ranged weapon.
Inflict the acting minion's weapon damage on the targetted
minion. The weapon does an extra 6R damage.

Cultist's Clip o' Many Bullets
Combat
Put into play when you have played an ammo card from your hand. Place
this card and the ammo card on the gun being used for the strike. All
strikes with the gun inflict the increased damage indicated by the
ammo card +4.

Cultist's Deal with the Punter
Master Out of turn.
Requires a Cultist or the Reverend Adam Antski.
Discard your hand, library, ashheap and all cards you own in all
zones. Burn all Tremere. No really- burn them. With matches.
Construct a deck using a another clan. If the new deck contains more
than 1 Ravnos, your prey may take an action to give you a 'Good
Slappin'. Play continues as normal.

Boxed Inn
Master - Malkavian
Unique location.
Only useable when a Malkavian you control is in combat with another
minion. Tap this location before range is determined to trap the
opposing minion in an invisible box. The minion’s controller must
"mime" the remainder of combat.

Wiping the Grin off their Face
Out Of Turn Master
Only useable if your prey is being smug or conceited.
Your prey loses a pool.

Get on with it
Master Out of Turn
Opponent's turn immediately ends and your turn begins.
Playable only if, in your opinion, opponent is playing
too slow.

Cultist's Succubus Club
Master: unique location
Methuselahs can give you pool, and you can give them pool. You can
trade cards from your hand or in play. These trades can only happen
during your untap phase and cannot result in any Methuselah having
less than his or her hand size. Any additional terms can be
established, but none are enfoced by the rules unless involve removing
clothing.

USENET Flame War
Out-of-Turn Master
1 pool
Only usable when a minion with a Laptop Computer attempts
to bleed you. The action is blocked, and the acting minion
takes one point of aggravated damage, which is not preventable
by cards requiring Fortitude.

Cultist's Time of Judgement
Unique Master
Gain 13 pool when you play this card.
While this card is in play, all vampires get +1 bleed.
During each untap phase, that methuselah burns his youngest ready
vampire. Burn this card if that methuselah has no vampire to burn.
Only one Time of Judgement can be played during a game.

Cultist's Suprise Attack
Action
Enter combat with a minion controlled by another Methuselah.
The first round of combat, that minion cannot use any strikes.

http://www.thelasombra.com/random.txt

http://www.thelasombra.com/newcards.htm

kut...@gmail.com

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The Lasombra wrote:
> On 8 Nov 2006 16:39:44 -0800, d21...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>
> >Millenium Cultist deck -SPOLIERS!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!!!!
>
> >Millenium Cultist deck -SPOLIERS!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!!!!
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> >Millenium Cultist deck -SPOLIERS!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!!!!
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> >Millenium Cultist deck -SPOLIERS!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!!!!
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> >Millenium Cultist deck -SPOLIERS!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!!!!
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> >Millenium Cultist deck -SPOLIERS!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!!!!
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> >Millenium Cultist deck -SPOLIERS!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!!!!
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> >Millenium Cultist deck -SPOLIERS!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!!!!
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> >Millenium Cultist deck -SPOLIERS!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!!!!
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> >Millenium Cultist deck -SPOLIERS!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!!!!
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> >Millenium Cultist deck -SPOLIERS!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!!!!
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> >Millenium Cultist deck -SPOLIERS!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!! SPOLIERS!!!!!!!
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> Reverend Adam Antski
> 15 Capacity
> DOM FOR POT PRE OBF SER
> Independent. 4 Votes. Revered Adam Antski can call a referendum to
> win the game at +3 stealth. Reverend Adam Antski gets +3 stealth on
> all bleed actions and is not restricted by the no repeat actions rule.
> Gain pool equal to the number of blood counters on the Reverend Adam
> Antski each time he untaps.
>

Lock up your brain
Because I'm here again.

Blooded Sand

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Nov 8, 2006, 10:36:02 PM11/8/06

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Wait. Is this a joke, or did the Lasombra just make a VERY involved
joke? Cos if there really is a vamp that can call a vote win the gam,e,
i stop playing magic. sorry mean V:tG...
LOL! most funny post!

gpett...@gmail.com

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> The Cultist is Nergal's Bitch
> Action
> Only playable if you control a Baali and a Cultist. Burn all vampires
> with capacity less than 5 controlled by your predator and prey. Each
> burned vampire becomes an non-unique Infernal Demon named Dave with 3
> strength, 3 bleed, and a mandatory untap every minion phase. This
> Infernal Demon gains 2 blood for each successful action it takes.
>

Demons are Allies and cannot gain blood.

--
- Gregory Stuart Pettigrew

Salem

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Nov 9, 2006, 3:06:24 AM11/9/06

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aw man. they totally needed to playtest this more.

--
salem
http://users.tpg.com.au/adsltqna/vtes/
(replace 'hotmail' with 'yahoo' to email)

Psi

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Nov 9, 2006, 3:44:08 AM11/9/06

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A very funny post, I thought there would have been more Embrace /
Equipment, considering the words on the WW site.

What about this one? (Admittedly life not blood, but close enough.)

Herald of Topheth [BL:R2]
Cardtype: Ally
Clan: Baali
Cost: 3 pool
Demon with 5 life. 3 strength, 1 bleed, flight [FLIGHT].
The Herald may enter combat with a ready minion controlled by another
Methuselah as a (D) action. The Herald may play cards requiring basic
Daimoinon [dai], Potence [pot] and/or Presence [pre] as a vampire with
a capacity of 5. Any cost in blood is paid with his life. If a card
would give him blood, give him life instead. If the Herald has less
than 5 life during your untap phase, add 1 life. During your influence
phase, burn 1 pool or burn the Herald.

If someone could put up the real deck that would be extremely helpful.

Joel

Dr Jester

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Nov 9, 2006, 5:02:35 AM11/9/06

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They'd have sent me the wrong deck!!!

LOL

Dr Jester
Aka Christian Perron
EC2006

The Lasombra

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Nov 9, 2006, 8:41:18 AM11/9/06

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Psi wrote:
> If someone could put up the real deck that would be extremely helpful.

In January.

No reason to allow you to cheat.

Jozxyqk

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Nov 9, 2006, 9:32:20 AM11/9/06

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> In January.

Rob Goudie has stated that an official spoiler list will be released
"when he gets around to it":

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/206ef8530adb9f62

Slytherin

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Nov 9, 2006, 9:37:41 AM11/9/06

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Any chance of getting it sent/posted up pretty quickly. I'm supposed to
be running it next weekend, but as yet no word as to how soon the packs
will arrive.

Andy Brown
VEK Setite Ruler of Cambridge

Frederick Scott

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Nov 9, 2006, 10:59:33 AM11/9/06

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"The Lasombra" <thela...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163079678.2...@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...

Actually, there is: that others already have access to the information.
Thus "allowing (one) to cheat" is merely leveling the field. The
attitude that the Cultist deck should be a surprise to everybody is
all cute and everything but unfortunately, it's not practical WRT an
event that's held repeatedly over a period of time.

So, yes, it would be kind if someone would put up a spoiler list.
Carefully marked, of course.

Fred

Peter D Bakija

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Nov 9, 2006, 11:37:52 AM11/9/06

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On Nov 9, 10:59 am, "Frederick Scott" <nos...@no.spam.dot.com> wrote:
> Actually, there is: that others already have access to the information.
> Thus "allowing (one) to cheat" is merely leveling the field. The
> attitude that the Cultist deck should be a surprise to everybody is
> all cute and everything but unfortunately, it's not practical WRT an
> event that's held repeatedly over a period of time.
>
> So, yes, it would be kind if someone would put up a spoiler list.
> Carefully marked, of course.

Yeah, see, I don't actually have a problem with spoilers being put up
somewhere, but I'll wait for Goudie to do it.

As a tournament organizer, I got to see the decks before anyone else
did. And as it doesn't look like the promo cards are necessarily
included with the deck (although they are--they are buried inside the
deck), I opened one up to make sure the promos were along for the ride,
and then had to pull the promos out in any case to hand them out to the
atendees. Because I am that kinda person, I didn't look too closely at
the deck (i.e. I did not pur over every card and read every line of
text) but still, I got a reasonable view of what is in the deck in a
general sense. As I was also playing in the event, I didn't think it
was fair that I had an idea of what was in the deck and no one else
did, so I offered to e-mail out general spoilers to everyone in my
extended group if they were interested, and a few people took me up on
the offer.

In the end, as some people are going to know what is in the deck
(either tournament organizers or people who played in previous events
or people who have heard from freinds in other areas what is in the
deck), and having even a general sense of what is in the deck does give
someone building a deck for the event an advantage, it does strike me
as reasonable for there to be, at the very least, general spoilers
available somewhere.

-Peter

Rehlow

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On Nov 9, 10:37 am, "Peter D Bakija" <p...@lightlink.com> wrote:
> In the end, as some people are going to know what is in the deck
> (either tournament organizers or people who played in previous events
> or people who have heard from freinds in other areas what is in the
> deck), and having even a general sense of what is in the deck does give
> someone building a deck for the event an advantage, it does strike me
> as reasonable for there to be, at the very least, general spoilers
> available somewhere.

So Peter ... since you have at the very least a general knowledge of
the Cultist deck (and the knowledge of what info would be useful before
going to a tournament) would you be so kind as to give the rest of us a
heads up of what to expect? A separate post would probably be best, so
people that don't want to know can be clearly warned.

Thanks in advance. :)

Later,
~Rehlow

Psi

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Nov 9, 2006, 2:05:02 PM11/9/06

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Lol.
As far as I was aware, you don't oust the Cultist deck, unlike the
Nergal deck (which due to early Spoiler release could have been subject
to specific hoser decks).

I see your point now, no reason to post until at least a month or two
into the storyline, as by then everyone will be aware or what's likely
to be there (maybe as a Christmas present?!!).

On a separate point, could the clan pages in your website be updated
for the new cards, or will it take too long?

Joel

Mike Perlman

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Nov 9, 2006, 3:38:03 PM11/9/06

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> Wait. Is this a joke, or did the Lasombra just make a VERY involved
> joke? Cos if there really is a vamp that can call a vote win the gam,e,
> i stop playing magic. sorry mean V:tG...
> LOL! most funny post!

Well, Cultist's Phobia was super-strong...The burn-option rate of
counters is key there. How else could I win a Storyline with a
concealed-grenade deck containing an all-Jyhad library?

sta...@hotmail.com

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what that wasn't the real deck list?!? and you seemed so honest in
person.

shawn

:)

Peter D Bakija

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Nov 9, 2006, 5:39:48 PM11/9/06

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Psi wrote:
> As far as I was aware, you don't oust the Cultist deck, unlike the
> Nergal deck (which due to early Spoiler release could have been subject
> to specific hoser decks).

The Cultist deck is not a player and can't be ousted. Whoever controls
the Reverend at any given time can play the cards in the cultist "hand"
(i.e. the 5 cards in the middle of the table) either with the Reverend
or your other vampires, if they can play the cards normally (i.e. if
they have the disciplines necessary or whatever).

Where the issue comes from knowing what is in the deck is that if you
know what the deck contains you can build your deck more effectively to
take advantage of it. But again, as I mentioned elswhere, as there are
already folks who know what is in the deck, and people going to a given
tournament might already know what is in the deck, it makes sense that
there be at least general spoiler information available to everyone.
But I don't wanna be the guy to post it :-)

-Peter

The Lasombra

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Nov 9, 2006, 9:39:54 PM11/9/06

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On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 08:32:20 -0600, Jozxyqk <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu>
wrote:

>Rob Goudie has stated that an official spoiler list will be released
>"when he gets around to it":

>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/206ef8530adb9f62

And after the very first weekend is not the appropriate time for it,
nor has it been done.

I will not host it or post it before January.

quetzalcoatl

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On Nov 10, 1:39 pm, The Lasombra <TheLasom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 08:32:20 -0600, Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu>

> wrote:
>
> >Rob Goudie has stated that an official spoiler list will be released
> >"when he gets around to it":

> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/206e...And after the very first weekend is not the appropriate time for it,

> nor has it been done.
>
> I will not host it or post it before January.

Here here!! I'm with Lasombra on this one.

Damien you should be ashamed of yourself for starting this thread.

The whole "fun" of playing a Storyline is being surprised. It is very
clear from the Storyline rules that control of the Reverend is
politically based. So if you want to control him and experience the
deck vote control is required (or a load of master phases to get
counters). Either way everyone has that information and it should
remain that way.

Lots of my players don't have regular internet access so would be
disadvantaged by spoilers at this time being put up on a newsgroup.

D

J

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Nov 10, 2006, 12:53:08 AM11/10/06

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> Lots of my players don't have regular internet access so would be
> disadvantaged by spoilers at this time being put up on a newsgroup.

Won't save them from the Gargoyle onslaught.

mmmmm Tupdog rampage.
Votes? Who cares about votes. I'll bash anyone with votes.

--> J

Frederick Scott

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"The Lasombra" <TheLa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 08:32:20 -0600, Jozxyqk <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu>
> wrote:
>
>>Rob Goudie has stated that an official spoiler list will be released
>>"when he gets around to it":
>
>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/206ef8530adb9f62
>
> And after the very first weekend is not the appropriate time for it,

That statement is absolutely baseless.

> I will not host it or post it before January.

Your choice, certainly. Hopefully Robert or someone else will, soon enough.

Fred

Frederick Scott

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"quetzalcoatl" <da...@vega.id.au> wrote in message news:1163135038.1...@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

> Lots of my players don't have regular internet access so would be
> disadvantaged by spoilers at this time being put up on a newsgroup.

Others can give them the list. Having regular internet access is
an advantage for just such reasons.

Be that as it may, your point is self-contradictory and just plain
silly. If the list is not spoiled, other players have the advantage.
You cannot prevent it. Fairness is only achieved by universal
spoilage, whether you like it or not. And whether you admit it or
not.

Fred

Peter D Bakija

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Nov 10, 2006, 8:31:07 AM11/10/06

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quetzalcoatl wrote:
> Damien you should be ashamed of yourself for starting this thread.

"Ashamed" is really an OTT expression in this context.

> The whole "fun" of playing a Storyline is being surprised.

That is certainly debateable.

> It is very
> clear from the Storyline rules that control of the Reverend is
> politically based. So if you want to control him and experience the
> deck vote control is required (or a load of master phases to get
> counters). Either way everyone has that information and it should
> remain that way.

Sure. But as noted, lots of people already have more information. The
people *running* all the various Storyline tournaments, who are also
likely *playing* in all the tournaments, have spoiler information about
the deck. If they go into the event knowing what is in the deck and are
want to use that information to their advantage, they can. It'd be a
dicky thing to do, but it is certainly a possibility. People who know
folks who have played in the tournament can get spoiler information
about the deck, or people who go to different locations to play the
event will have spoiler information about the deck. Having spoiler
information about this deck can certainly be an advantage to someone
playing in the event. And some people will have spoiler information
going into the event. I mean, like, it is just a fun event and isn't
rated or anything, but still, folks might want to go in at a not
disadvantaged level.

> Lots of my players don't have regular internet access so would be
> disadvantaged by spoilers at this time being put up on a newsgroup.

They are already disadvantaged by spoilers, as people have them,
regardless of their access to the internet or not.

I'm not, like, calling for anyone to post a full spoiler to the group
(as if I really thought that was a good idea, I'd do it, but I'm not
gonna). But it would still make sense for there to be an "official"
spoiler, even in a general sense, posted somewhere for folks who want
to look at it.

-Peter

Robert Goudie

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Nov 10, 2006, 9:41:22 AM11/10/06

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Something is in the works. Hopefully sometime next week.

-Robert

Blooded Sand

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Nov 10, 2006, 12:55:29 PM11/10/06

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On Nov 10, 4:41 pm, "Robert Goudie" <robe...@vtesinla.org> wrote:
> Frederick Scott wrote:

> > "The Lasombra" <TheLasom...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:kip7l2t3d6dt4gni9...@4ax.com...
> > > On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 08:32:20 -0600, Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu>

> > > wrote:
>
> > >>Rob Goudie has stated that an official spoiler list will be released
> > >>"when he gets around to it":
>

> > >>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/206e...

>
> > > And after the very first weekend is not the appropriate time for it,
>
> > That statement is absolutely baseless.
>
> > > I will not host it or post it before January.
>

> > Your choice, certainly. Hopefully Robert or someone else will, soon enough.Something is in the works. Hopefully sometime next week.
>
> -Robert- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

Cool! Keeps those of us who were not involved in the first few tourneys
at the same level as those who have frineds who were involved in
aforementioned tourneys. Thanks!

The Name Forgotten

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Nov 12, 2006, 3:44:06 AM11/12/06

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Yip, that's your inner Nosferatu talking ;)

"Hmmm, I have this information that so many people want. I let everyone
know I have it, and then not give it to them. Ha Ha Ha. It's all worth
it to see the looks on their faces when they'll all come begging and
pleading to the Nosferatu."

Sorry, I just found it priceless that the foremost fanboy of all things
ugly happens to be mimicing some of their very unique and typical
behaviour - without the vindictiveness, of course, but still every bit
as funny.

Peter D Bakija

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Nov 12, 2006, 9:59:21 AM11/12/06

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The Name Forgotten wrote:
> Sorry, I just found it priceless that the foremost fanboy of all things
> ugly happens to be mimicing some of their very unique and typical
> behaviour - without the vindictiveness, of course, but still every bit
> as funny.

Uhh, ok?

I think it is more pertinent that I ran one of the first Storyline
events, know what is in the deck, know that it is useful to know what
is in the deck, but don't wanna be the dick to spoil the deck on the
internet.

But if you wanna attribute it to something completely different, go
nuts :-)

-Peter

The Name Forgotten

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Nov 13, 2006, 8:58:24 AM11/13/06

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> Uhh, ok?
>
> I think it is more pertinent that I ran one of the first Storyline
> events, know what is in the deck, know that it is useful to know what
> is in the deck, but don't wanna be the dick to spoil the deck on the
> internet.

I know, I wouldn't want to be the person to spoil it either (as I have
also had the deck sitting here for 2 weeks awaiting this weekend's
tournament).

I was also torn between checking to see if the deck was alright (after
all the 3rd Ed issues) and having a slight advantage over the other
players. I ended up writing a list of what was in there for people to
consult if they wanted, but didn't include any of the changes (as I
didn't read them myself).

Next time tho, I'll think I'll open the packs, and count and check the
cards by looking at their back. I also like a good surprise, and really
enjoy a completely fair game. I don't feel right if I play the game
with some advantage gained from outside knowledge.

At least, my playgroup here trusts me enough to do that without any
complaints.

> But if you wanna attribute it to something completely different, go
> nuts :-)

I've already been channeling my inner Malk for quite some time now (",)