(REPORT) Western New York Qualifier Report! Ithaca!
Peter D Bakija
the 3rd round, but we have 25 players (a lot from Ithaca, a lot from
NYC, a few from Boston/MA area, two from Atlanta). Last night, we had
a 14 player 2R+F constructed tournament that was won by Dave Clooney
with a Fishtari Anarch fighty deck. As last night's event was 419
Operation: Ithaca!, Dave is now officially the Prince of Nigeria, so
all correspondence and direct conversation with Dave should start with
"So, Dave, Prince of Nigeria..." I'm sure he'll be sending many of you
e-mail with an important business offer soon.
I'll post a more complete report about last night's event and today's
Qualifier as info comes in!
-Peter
Peter D Bakija
> I'll post a more complete report about last night's event and today's
> Qualifier as info comes in!
The Western New York Qualifier: Ithaca! was won by Steve Wampler's !
Tremere toolboxy fighty bleedy deck with 3VP in the final.
So the final round of the qualifier consisted of, in seating order:
-Steve Wampler (!Tre Toolbox)
-Ruben Feldman (weenie DEM)
-Alex Korazanis (Tzimisce wall)
-Sonam Adinolf (Pro/Dom Stanislava)
-Cory Seigel (!Tre Smiling Jack wall)
Ruben was top seed going in with 2GW/11.5 VP. Ruben beat down Alex
pretty quick, but between Alex blocking and killing some of his dudes,
and Cory cross table Eagle's Sighting at least one of Ruben's bleeds,
Ruben was slowed down some. Alex couldn't hold on that long, still,
and got ousted pretty quick anyway. Sonam held on a couple more turns,
but Ruben ousted him not to soon after ousting Alex. Ruben then has
some trouble getting through Cory's intercept tech, and loses a few
minions to Steve's Uta Kovacs rushing, and gets slowed down enough
that Steve can oust Ruben with a non AI'ed bleed of 6. With the game
down to Steve and Cory, they go back and forth for a while, Cory
getting Smiling Jack out, up to a few counters, degrading Steve, and
then Steve kills Jack, and then repeating. Steve gets ahead due to
having more combat than Cory, and Cory's Feo Ramos staying tapped the
whole game due to Feo's disadvantage. Eventually Steve wares Cory
down, torps his last viable minion, and bleeds him out, giving Steve
the 3VP table win and Ruben 2VP.
An excellent tournament with a great turn out and a lot of really good
players. Special thanks to Oscar and White Wolf for prizes and
support.
More detailed standings reports and deck listings to follow.
-Peter
Peter D Bakija
Cornell University, Ithaca, NY
July 31, 2009
14 players
As previously noted, Dave Clooney won with an Ishtari Anarch deck
(posted below).
I couldn't be at the tournament, so my buddy Dave Conroy stepped up
and ran the event. His report:
A tournament was held last night for 14 people who couldn't wait for
the
Qualifier. A total of 6 tables over two rounds produced a total of
two
table wins. I am shamed to report that a tournament game which
included
4 players from Ithaca timed out. We shall speak no more of this.
The winner was:
Dave Clooney (Fishtarri Anarch combat) 1/6
The other non-winning finalists...
Ben Kalb (Orlando and the Inner Circle) 1/5.5
Amber Clooney (Settite filthy cheese) 1/5.5
Steve Wampler (Anti-Tremere toolbox) 0/4.5
Andrew Sackett (Saturday Night weenies) 0/3.5
... all tied for second place.
Other bloodsuckers included:
Bob Miller 0/2.5
Jeremy Pranes 0/2
Asif Chaudhry 0/0.5
Alex Koratzanis 0/0.5
Alex Ehrhardt
Oscar Garza
John Stevens
Greg Galyanov
John Pfannkuchen
It is forbidden to deny that a good time was had by all.
(ed note: I don't know what happened in the final, so Dave, wanna fill
us in?)
Dave Clooney's Deck:
Deck Name: Kung Fu versus Robots
Author: Dave "The Prince of Nigeria" Clooney
419 Operation: Ithaca!
Cornell University, Ithaca NY
July 31, 2009
14 players
2R+F
Crypt [13 vampires] Capacity min: 1, max: 6, avg: 3.23
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5x Anarch Convert 1 Caitiff
1x Abu Nuwasi cel for 3 Ishtarri
2x Agru Kabera cel nec pre FOR 6 Ishtarri +1 Bleed
1x Elizabeth Conde pre CEL FOR 5 Ishtarri
1x Honorine Ateba cel nec FOR PRE 6 Ishtarri
1x Kenyatta cel for pre 4 Ishtarri
1x T.J. cel for 3
Gangrel
1x Fahd al-Zawba'a cel for pre 4 Toreador
Library [90 cards]
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Action [8]
1x Aranthebes, The Immortal
1x Bloodlust
2x Despiral
1x Gear Up
3x Legal Manipulations
Action Modifier [12]
8x Forced March
2x Freak Drive
1x Power of One
1x Uncontrolled Impulse
Ally [2]
2x Procurer
Combat [33]
12x Diversion
7x Flash
1x Hell-for-Leather
1x Hidden Strength
1x Pulled Fangs
3x Side Strike
3x Soak
1x Vampiric Speed
4x Weighted Walking Stick
Equipment [4]
1x .44 Magnum
1x Desert Eagle
2x Sport Bike
Event [1]
1x Narrow Minds
Master [16]
1x Anarch Free Press, The
1x Barrens, The
4x Blood Doll
1x Celerity
1x Depravity
1x Fame
1x Glutton
1x Haven Uncovered
1x Ishtarri Warlord
1x Libertas
1x Perfectionist
2x Twighlight Camp
Political Action [1]
1x Kine Resources Contested
Reaction [12]
2x Delaying Tactics
1x Eluding the Arms of Morpheus
2x Friend of Mine
4x On the Qui Vive
2x Steadfastness
1x Poison Pill
Retainer [1]
1x Mr. Winthrop
GreenO
> Results from 419 Operation: Ithaca!
> Cornell University, Ithaca, NY
> July 31, 2009
> 14 players
> Amber Clooney (Settite filthy cheese) 1/5.5
This deck is relevant to my interests, could I get a list for it
please?
Many thanks.
The Lasombra
>Well, ok, not really the Qualifier report yet, as it is still early in
>the 3rd round, but we have 25 players (a lot from Ithaca, a lot from
>NYC, a few from Boston/MA area, two from Atlanta).
25 players is one of my favorite numbers for tournaments. You don't
have to see any of the same players again until the finals. Two of
the finalists were on my first table but I didn't play with any of the
other three.
A few highlights about players whose decks I saw on Saturday:
Dave Clooney - Xavier and his little friends
Amber Clooney - Omaya and her little friends
Oscar Garza - Akunanse with only 1 copy of No Secrets?
Ben Peal - Jibade el-Bahrawi merged with 9 Aye and the unholy trinity
of blood removal allies (Impundulu, Young Bloods, Gregory Winter) and
Ossian and a few procurers and Carlton Van Wyk
John Whelan - Inceptor + group 2 Salubri
Adam Hulse - Owain Evans + Harbingers + Troglodytia intercept
fortitude
Jevon Garrett (I think) - Osebo bounce + Thrown Sewer Lids
(my prey in game 3 whose name I missed or forgot) - Black Annis rush
(my grand prey in game 1 whose name I missed or forgot) - Inner
Circle members + Orlando Oriundus with only 12 Minion Taps, and the
only one he saw Washed....
Peter Kapsalis - Nehemiah + Guruhi presence vote + 6 in play master
locations
Asif Chaudhry (I think) - Gargoyle Stone Dog rush
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In game mistakes I made that led to my failure to make the finals:
1) Failing to play a Freak Drive after bleeding Oscar for 6 (that
would have ousted him without the Mapatano Utando %Q@#$!) so that I
could bleed again on his turn with the Enkil Cog before Ben got his
turn to wreck all of my minions. (2.5 vps instead of 3.5 because of
this)
2) Playing Path of the Void and reducing Gerald's bleed by one when I
didn't need the stealth and did need the bleed. Because of this play
failure, I was unable to oust Black Annis before she wrecked Gerald.
Her first encounter with him knocked 6-8 blood off of him.
3) Choosing not to Graverob Blanche Hill with Sight Beyond Sight, as
she could have blocked the game crushing rush by Black Annis. Instead,
I rescued her and paid both of the blood, and got absolutely nothing
in return.
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Deck building mistakes I made that led to my failure to make the
finals:
1) Too much equipment. I had 3 pieces in hand during my last turn in
round 3.
2) Including Baltimore Purge. I never had Chantry in play, so the one
time I saw BP I discarded it. It should have stayed as the Magic of
the Smith it was scheduled to be originally.
3) Failing to find an Enticement to put in the deck for Gerald to play
at 3 stealth after bleeding successfully.
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Cool plays of the day:
1) Four caps played Obedience, three times!
2) Salt of Thoth played on Oscar's Powerbase: Montreal when my prey
tried to steal it (while I controlled it). (This enabled two of the
Obedience plays.) It also made him take three actions against the
Powerbase instead of the one he was expecting.
3) Bleeding for 0 at 2 stealth and asking... Do you block?
(then increasing it to three with the Conditioning after the block has
been declined)
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Here's the deck I played:
Deck Name : Gerald Windham is the man
Author : The Lasombra
Description :
Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 9 average: 6
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4x Gerald Windham 9 AUS DOM FOR THA Tremere:5
2x Lord Ephraim Wainwright 6 AUS THA for pre Tremere:5
2x Claus Wegener 5 DOM aus for tha Tremere:5
1x Frank Weisshadel 4 dom pot tha Tremere:4
1x Tarautas 4 aus nec tha Tremere:4
1x Tarrence Moore 4 aus dom tha Tremere:5
1x Ezra Hawthorne 2 tha Tremere:4
Library [90 cards]
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Action [10]
1x Baltimore Purge
3x Govern the Unaligned
1x Graverobbing
3x Magic of the Smith
2x Rutor's Hand
Action Modifier [29]
7x Conditioning
2x Daring the Dawn
1x Enkil Cog
11x Freak Drive
2x Kiss of Ra, The
4x Mirror Walk
2x Seduction
Combat [4]
4x Rego Motus
Equipment [5]
1x Ankara Citadel, Turkey, The
1x Bowl of Convergence
1x Heart of Nizchetus
1x Sargon Fragment, The
1x Sniper Rifle
Master [20]
1x Academic Hunting Ground
2x Arcane Library
1x Chantry
1x Heidelberg Castle, Germany
1x House of Sorrow
1x Monastery of Shadows
1x Parthenon, The
5x Path of the Void
2x Pentex(TM) Subversion
1x Perfectionist
1x Powerbase: Montreal
2x Serpentis
1x Wasserschloss Anif, Austria
Reaction [19]
9x Deflection
2x Enhanced Senses
2x Forced Vigilance
4x Obedience
2x Salt of Thoth
Retainer [3]
1x J. S. Simmons, Esq.
1x Mr. Winthrop
1x Tasha Morgan
brandonsantacruz
Nice use of Forced Vigilance :)
Why Serpentis, btw?
Brandon
Peter D Bakija
> 25 players is one of my favorite numbers for tournaments. You don't
> have to see any of the same players again until the finals. Two of
> the finalists were on my first table but I didn't play with any of the
> other three.
Yeah, that is kind of a super optimal number--with 26, you end up with
more 4 player tables than 5. We lucked out :-)
> Jevon Garrett (I think) - Osebo bounce + Thrown Sewer Lids
Yeah, that was Jevon.
> (my prey in game 3 whose name I missed or forgot) - Black Annis rush
D.J. Chagnon.
> (my grand prey in game 1 whose name I missed or forgot) - Inner
> Circle members + Orlando Oriundus with only 12 Minion Taps, and the
> only one he saw Washed....
That was Ben Kalb, with the same deck that spawned that 500+ post
contestation thread :-)
> Asif Chaudhry (I think) - Gargoyle Stone Dog rush
Also correct on Asif.
> Here's the deck I played:
>
> Deck Name : Gerald Windham is the man
> Author : The Lasombra
That deck looked pretty fantastic from what I saw :-)
Thanks again for coming!
-Peter
Peter D Bakija
Player standings:
The top 7 Qualified.
The columns are rank, name, GW (pre final), VP (pre final), VP in
final, TP.
1 Steve Wampler 1 7.5 3 162
2 Cory Seigel 2 6 0 150
2 Alex Koratzanis 1 4.5 0 126
2 Sonam Adinolf 1 5 0 114
2 Ruben Feldman 2 11.5 2 174
6 Adam Hulse 1 4.5 120
7 Ray Ramos 1 4 132
8 Amber Clooney 1 3 108
8 Dave Clooney 1 3 108
10 Jeff Thompson 1 2.5 108
11 Asif Chaudrhy 0 4 144
12 Shawn Stanley 0 3.5 132
13 John Stevens 0 2 102
14 Ben Kalb 0 2 84
15 Jevon Garrett 0 1.5 114
16 Ben Peal 0 1 102
16 DJ Chagnon 0 1 102
18 Kym Alishahi 0 0.5 96
19 Oscar Garza 0 0.5 90
20 Peter Kapsalis 0 0 78
20 Greg Galyanov 0 0 78
22 Andrew Sackett 0 0 72
22 Gary Kwan 0 0 72
24 Chris Robert 0 0 66
24 John Whelan 0 0 66
With 25 players, we had 3 rounds of 5x five player games, so 15 total
games before the final. 3 tables timed out. No one got 3 GW before the
final, and only 2 people had 2 GW (Ruben and Cory).
Steve's Winning deck to be posted as soon as he sends it to me :-)
OldFan
> >Well, ok, not really the Qualifier report yet, as it is still early in
> >the 3rd round, but we have 25 players (a lot from Ithaca, a lot from
> >NYC, a few from Boston/MA area, two from Atlanta).
>
> 25 players is one of my favorite numbers for tournaments. You don't
> have to see any of the same players again until the finals. Two of
> the finalists were on my first table but I didn't play with any of the
> other three.
>
> A few highlights about players whose decks I saw on Saturday:
Yup, that was me. Hey, I totally didn't realize you made it! God
damn it, I wanted to put a face to an electronic name - I blame Peter
for this! :-)
As far as my deck, it's more of a Gargoyle/Razor bat block deck, as
there are only 2 Stone Dogs in the entire 90 card library. They are
for emergency rush if blocking doesn't work so well.
I had a pretty fun time at the qualifier on Saturday, even though I
didn't win a table. My 3 rounds went as follows:
Round 1: Me -> Kim (playing Tzimice bleed with Meschenka, Dragos, and
Olga Triminov) -> Adam (Owain and gang fort/block) -> Ben Peal (Jibade
throwing a big Allies party) -> Ray Romano (weenie catiff and weenie
Brujah with grenades and bombs in their concealed pockets).
First round, I got crypt screwed and got 2x Virsitania and 2x
Ublo Satha (he of the "Brujah bleeding you get +1 bleed" fame. With
Ray playing 3 weenie Brujahs right behind me as pred. Crap.). I
never got out more than those 2 because my pool got eroded down too
fast. As a result, Kim essentially had no predator. Ben spent a
great deal of time building up, and with excessive pressure coming his
way from Kim, Adam couldn't really move forward well. Ray might have
ousted me if I hadn't gotten an early Razor bat and early Stone Dog
out - with permacept, copious untap, and perma-rush, I was able to
torp a bunch of Ray's guys and stay alive (Adam's Carver Meat Packing
helped to keep the weenies in torpor land). I also got an assist
during one round from Ben, who used Young Bloods to critically cause
Ray to have to hunt on his turn instead of killing me. This resulted
however in the table timing out, despite Adam bouncing bleeds from Kim
back to me in an attempt to cause some table collapse and get some
credible pressure on Kim (I did torp Meschenka on one of Adam's My
Enemy's Enemy bounces).
Final result: 0.5 VP (for everyone).
Round 2: Me -> Ben Kalb (inner circle + Orlando mega vote/bleed/bloat
madness) -> Shaun "originally from Australia, currently living in
NYC" (Anson/Anneke/Rake bleed, vote, master card kill jank) -> Jevon
Garrett (Osebo bleed/bruise with some intercept) -> Alex Koratzanis
(Tzimice/wall block+smiling Jack)
This round, I managed to get a decent crypt draw and get my holy trio
of Ublo Satha, Ferox the Rocklord/ADV, and Virsitania ("Momma"). I
also super lucked out and got both of my Stone Dogs early. As a
result, I was able to equip the dogs (with permission from Alex, who's
whole game plan revolves around getting a 3-1-1 game win) and a couple
of Razor bats, and keep rushing Ben until he ran out of Majesties, and
then torp his minions. After that, I was able to wear Ben down, and
eventually oust him with a HUGE assist from Shaun, who up to that
point had been getting major ousting pressure from Ben in the form of
huge bleeds and mega vote KRCs. Once one of Ben's IC guys was in
torpor, Shaun called 2 successive Parity Shifts, stripping him of 10
pool. Meanwhile, Jevon was busy keep Shaun from killing him, which he
did quite nicely, securing the Rack and multiple Vessels for Homa,
Ismitta and Idritta, giving him some constant pool gain. He applied a
little pressure to Alex, but Alex had his own vessel/hunting ground
engine going and was pretty stable.
Shaun made a strong effort to kill Jevon, playing 6-7 Personal
Involvement, 5 of which I burned 2 pool each (10 total!) to stop, and
2 of which Jevon burned pool for. Once Ben died, I started Stone Dog
rushing Shaun's guys, but torping Anneke just gave Shaun the incentive
to serve her up on a plate of Golconda goodness for 11 pool (master
discipline card on Anneke), and securing the table time out.
Final Result: 1.5 VP for me, 0.5 for Jevon, Alex, Shaun.
Round 3: Me -> Amber Clooney (Omaya + friends, with Society of
Leopold, Deep Song, Animalism combat) -> Peter Kapsalis (Eze +
Nehemiah vote) -> ??? (can't remember the name) playing HoS/
Slaughterhouse/Brinksmanship -> Gary ?? (Malk+!Malk bleed/block).
This round, I some how managed to shuffle both of my Stone Dogs near
the bottom of my deck. This would end up costing me my best chance at
a game win.
Everyone came out pretty strong with their crypt draws - Peter got
Tomb of Ramses to accelerate out Eze, and used the Coven to help get
some of his blood back up. Unfortunately, Amber had some strong rush
and animalism block to dunk Eze fairly quickly. Peter got a little
pay back with Anasasi Vampirhile and dunked one of Amber's guys, but a
Fame on the Society'd Nehemiah ended up being Peter's death knell.
Meanwhile, I got some decent build up on Ublo Satha, but Amber just
ignored my puny bleeds of 1, and with Dementation bleed behind me, I
was loathe to tap out (had a little failure to draw untap in the early
game). And because Amber was almost all D-action bleeds and rushes
forward at Peter, I couldn't block her with my Razor Bats.
Meanwhile, Gary tried to put some pressure on me, but was soon
throwing away whole fist-fulls of cards due to his Slaughterhouse
predator (my grand pred), and was soon out of deck. However, before
he could be killed by Brinksmanship (by 2 turns), Amber put the kibosh
to the Harbingers and netted her 2nd VP.
The malk's and anti malks tried to put up a good fight with their 11
card deck, but I had enough defense to stop Gary. I finally got 1
Stone Dog and then the other, but it was too little, too late, to stop
Amber from getting Gary and her 3rd vp and the game win. After that,
we just went through the boring process of me blocking and rushing all
of Amber's minions and torping them all - she and I both got very
bored of me saying "no pre, no man, punch/bat/dog, press".
Final Result: Amber 3vp, Me 2vp.
I finished the day at 11 out of 25, and 4 vp with 2 table time outs.
I was fairly content with how my deck worked, but I definitely need to
tweak it a little as I forgot to put some critical cards into it.
Hopefully, the Gargoyles will do better next time.
Thanks again to Peter Bakija for running the tourney, and for Oscar
and everyone else for coming to our little neck of the woods. I
definitely look forward to meeting all of you again!
-Asif Chaudhry
OldFan
> On Aug 2, 4:55 pm, The Lasombra <TheLasom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 14:14:13 -0700 (PDT), Peter D Bakija wrote:
> > >Well, ok, not really the Qualifier report yet, as it is still early in
> > >the 3rd round, but we have 25 players (a lot from Ithaca, a lot from
> > >NYC, a few from Boston/MA area, two from Atlanta).
>
> > 25 players is one of my favorite numbers for tournaments. You don't
> > have to see any of the same players again until the finals. Two of
> > the finalists were on my first table but I didn't play with any of the
> > other three.
>
> > A few highlights about players whose decks I saw on Saturday:
> > Asif Chaudhry (I think) - Gargoyle Stone Dog rush
>
> Yup, that was me. Hey, I totally didn't realize you made it! God
> damn it, I wanted to put a face to an electronic name - I blame Peter
> for this! :-)
>
> As far as my deck, it's more of a Gargoyle/Razor bat block deck, as
> there are only 2 Stone Dogs in the entire 90 card library. They are
> for emergency rush if blocking doesn't work so well.
>
> I had a pretty fun time at the qualifier on Saturday, even though I
> didn't win a table. My 3 rounds went as follows:
>
> Round 1: Me -> Kim (playing Tzimice bleed with Meschenka, Dragos, and
> Olga Triminov) -> Adam (Owain and gang fort/block) -> Ben Peal (Jibade
> throwing a big Allies party) -> Ray Romano (weenie catiff and weenie
This was Ray Ramos (sorry Ray).
My 2nd round, it was Shaun Stanley who was my Grand Prey.
And in the 3rd round, I believe it was Gary Kwan as my Pred, and Chris
Robert (brinksmanship/slaughterhouse) as my Grand-Pred.
Cheers!
-Asif Chaudhry
quickbeam
> Results from 419 Operation: Ithaca!
> Cornell University, Ithaca, NY
> July 31, 2009
> 14 players
>
> As previously noted, Dave Clooney won with an Ishtari Anarch deck
> (posted below).
>
> I couldn't be at the tournament, so my buddy Dave Conroy stepped up
> and ran the event. His report:
>
> A tournament was held last night for 14 people who couldn't wait for
> the
> Qualifier. A total of 6 tables over two rounds produced a total of
> two
> table wins. I am shamed to report that a tournament game which
> included
> 4 players from Ithaca timed out. We shall speak no more of this.
>
> The winner was:
>
> Dave Clooney (Fishtarri Anarch combat) 1/6
>
> The other non-winning finalists...
>
> Ben Kalb (Orlando and the Inner Circle) 1/5.5
> Amber Clooney (Settite filthy cheese) 1/5.5
> Steve Wampler (Anti-Tremere toolbox) 0/4.5
> Andrew Sackett (Saturday Night weenies) 0/3.5
>
>
> (ed note: I don't know what happened in the final, so Dave, wanna fill
> us in?)
>
I have for you and important offer to receive large money payments
form my royal family relatives and your's in Nigeria:
I think it is fair to say that Sackett determined the pace and early
dynamics of that game. Most of the other finalists had seen his deck
in action and didn't want to sit near him, but I was 5th seed and
Sackett was 4th, so we sat down across from each other. No one got in
front of him.
For the first several turns I was busy weathering bleeds and rushes
from a variety of group 3/4 1 caps and Jennifer Flame61 Vidisania
[Weapons cost Jennifer 1 less pool or blood. +1 bleed. -1 stealth.]
When Jennifer got into combat, she would gain several free Saturday
Night Specials, and then use one to fire Dragon's Breath Rounds, with
the rest being spread around to the nerds with Nod. I sent Jennifer
down with a combination of Diversions, Flash, and Depravity
eventually.
I kept bleeding Ben for small amounts during all of this, but I wasn't
cycling that fast because I needed the combat cards to deal with
Sacket. Ben got out Rafael de Corazon and another giant minion and was
voting and using Minion Taps, Voter Captivation, and Giant's Blood to
maintain a healthy pool.
Amber got started bleeding Steve pretty early, and he began to play
back at her, rushing her minions at least once with Uta Kovacs I
think, and using Carna's intercept to keep her at bay. At one point
he sent Carna over to take an action directed at Sackett (I forget
whether it was a bleed or an attempt to pillow face Jennifer), and he
got blocked by a caitiff, followed by Concealed Weapon / Saturday
Night Special / Dragon's Breath Rounds / Amaranth. Ben voted to burn
Sackett's weenie in the blood hunt. With Carna destroyed, Steve went
back on defense and shortly after that Ben saw the window to oust
Amber.
By this time I had some intercept, starting with a Sport Bike and
Anarch Railroad, and eventually Mr. Winthrop, and I got out Agru and
was able to bleed Ben much more heavily. A few of my bleeds were
bounced by Ben into Steve, and then either into Sackett or back to
Steve. I was also able to get involved in combat directly with Ben
via blocks and rushes, and was able to get him with a few Legal
Manipulations and a Power of One.
In the three player, Sackett remained relentless, and so most of his
minions went to torpor. After I pillowfaced Jennifer, I got 7
Saturday Night Specials to spread around my guys, at which point
Sackett brought out a second copy of her. When she got incapacitated
a second time, Steve and I declined to pillowface her again. That
left Sackett with very few minions in play and little pool. Steve
bounced a bleed from Agru into Sackett, which ousted him. When it got
to heads up, Steve and I went back and forth some, but I had a minion
advantage and permanent combat, and was able to wear him down and
win.
Thanks to Dave Conroy for running it it, and to the rest of the Ithaca
play group and the out of towners who showed up. I had a lot of fun.
-Dave Clooney
Peter, please contact me for further offers about your exciting
financial future!
Peter D Bakija
> damn it, I wanted to put a face to an electronic name - I blame Peter
> for this! :-)
Oh, heh, yeah, I'm stupid. The tall well dressed guy with redish hair
was Jeff Thompson, AKA The Lasombra.
> I had a pretty fun time at the qualifier on Saturday, even though I
> didn't win a table. My 3 rounds went as follows:
Hey--you got 4VPs, which is better than average!
(Assume average is 1VP per game, 1GW every 5 games. So 4VP in 3 games
is better than average VPs, slightly low on GW :-)
-Peter
Peter D Bakija
> This was Ray Ramos (sorry Ray).
>
> My 2nd round, it was Shaun Stanley who was my Grand Prey.
>
> And in the 3rd round, I believe it was Gary Kwan as my Pred, and Chris
> Robert (brinksmanship/slaughterhouse) as my Grand-Pred.
All correct.
-Peter
Peter D Bakija
> I have for you and important offer to receive large money payments
> form my royal family relatives and your's in Nigeria:
Ya know, now that I think of it, I *could* use $500,000,000 (Five
Hundred Million US).
> I think it is fair to say that Sackett determined the pace and early
> dynamics of that game.
Oh, Sackett. We were all really impressed that he got into the finals
with that deck. It totally crashed and burned on Saturday. And I'm not
sure why he switched from the .9mm he used to have in there.
-Peter
Peter D Bakija
> Steve's Winning deck to be posted as soon as he sends it to me :-)
And Steve's winning deck:
Steve Wampler
Western New York Qualifier: Ithaca!
25 Players
August 1st, 2009
Cornell Univeristy, Ithaca, NY
3R+F Qualifier
2x Carna, The Princess Witch
1x Ladislas Toth, The Torch
2x Masika St. John
2x Paul Cordwood
2x Selena
3x Uta Kovacs
2x Archon Investigation
3x Haven Uncovered
4x Sudden Reversal
2x Wash
1x Academic Hunting Ground
1x University Hunting Ground
5x Vessel
1x Bowl of Convergence
1x Mr. Winthrop
9x Govern the Unaligned
2x Change of Target
2x Foreshadowing Destruction
3x Mirror Walk
3x Seduction
4x Murmur of the False Will
3x Deflection
3x Eagle's Sight
4x Enhanced Senses
8x On the Qui Vive
3x Telepathic Misdirection
8x Apportation
2x Aura Reading
2x Blood Fury
2x Blood Rage
4x Rego Motus
2x Soul Burn
6x Theft of Vitae
The Lasombra
>On Aug 2, 1:55�pm, The Lasombra wrote:
>> Deck Name : Gerald Windham is the man
>> Author : The Lasombra
>> Description :
>> Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 9 average: 6
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> 4x Gerald Windham � � � � � � �9 �AUS DOM FOR THA � Tremere:5
>> � 2x Serpentis
>Nice use of Forced Vigilance :)
>Why Serpentis, btw?
For the Enticements I forgot to find and put in.
It didn't matter much what disciplines were added, I just needed
another capacity to enable the Enkil Cog.
Carpe noctem.
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The Kaiser
> Everyone came out pretty strong with their crypt draws - Peter got
> Tomb of Ramses to accelerate out Eze, and used the Coven to help get
> some of his blood back up.
This is semi-off topic, but is there a reason to play Tomb over (god)
Zillah's Valley? I'm often interested in hearing why people choose
the routes they choose, especially in this particular case.
-Kaiser
OldFan
I wouldn't presume to speak for Peter K, but I have a large FoS vote
deck where I use Tombs for acceleration.
Part of the reason is a lack of Eternals of Sirius, but also if you
are planning to call votes with lots of push + Voter cap, then the
vamps don't need to be full to get started.
Just as an example:
- Play tomb turn 1 on Kemintiri, put 1 transfer on her (assuming worst
case of going first), and put 1 on the tomb.
- Turn 2, you put 4 more counters on her (5 total) and 4 more on the
tomb (5 total). End of Turn 2 Influence, Kemintiri comes out and you
have 22 pool left.
(- Turn 3, call a KRC or Reck Agg, play Bewitching + Awe (+ Perfect
Paragon and/or Old friends if you want), play voter cap, and by the
end of turn 3, she is full (barring the Delaying tactics of course)).
vs.
- Play Zillah's valley and put 4 on Kemintiri, then put 1 more on her
(again assuming worst case scenario of going 1st).
- Turn 2, if you do NOT draw a 2nd Zillah's (or other master card like
info highway/eternals), put 4 transfers on her, leaving her at 9 and
still not coming out.
- End of Turn 3, Kemintiri comes into play. and you have 19 pool left
(10 for her, 1 for Zillah's). Plus, took an extra turn of bleeding
with no blocking/deflecting vampire.
If you go with "you at least are going 2nd if not later", then
Kemintiri shows up at the end of turn 2 in both cases. But with the
tomb, you have spent 8 pool (and have a 10 cap with 5 blood on her) vs
having spent 11 pool and having a full vampire.
<shrug> At least, that's why I use the Tomb's in my biggie vote FoS
deck. Now granted, having 5 less blood with lots of combat crazy
decks around in Ithaca is not necessarily a good thing, but usually it
does okay.
Just my $0.02,
-Asif Chaudhry
Jakob Sievers
Yes, and while you're at it, why not post Ruben Feldman's Weenie DEM
deck as well?
--
cheers,
-jakob
Kevin M.
> Hey--you got 4VPs, which is better than average!
>
> (Assume average is 1VP per game, 1GW every 5 games. So 4VP in
> 3 games is better than average VPs, slightly low on GW :-)
NIT: That average is a bit high.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/da1575278a7f01c3
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you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War*
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Kevin M.
Here is a quick analysis of Tomb of Ramses. I'll only look
at the capacities you can't get out in one turn, obviously.
FORMULA
ToR/ZV/IH cost + 1 pool/xfer + {1 TOR counter} + [1 pool/xfer]
ANALYSIS
ToR:3+2{+2}[+1] => 5-cap = 6 pool, 3 xfer, 3 blood in 1 turn
IH:0+5 => 5-cap = 5 pool, 5 xfer, 5 blood in 1 turn
ToR:3+3{+3} => 6-cap = 6 pool, 3 xfer, 3 blood in 1 turn
IH:0+6 => 6-cap = 6 pool, 6 xfer, 6 blood in 1 turn
Given that Info Highway is free, I'd suggest that using ToR for
6-caps is bad unless you either don't need them at full blood or
desperately need that last transfer for something else. Seeing
as how this isn't even an issue for 5-caps with IH, don't do it.
ToR:3+3{+3}[+1] => 7-cap = 7 pool, 4 xfer, 4 blood in 1 turn
This is the top limit for not being able to use Zillah's Valley,
and given that you can get a 7-cap out in one turn with one turn's
worth of resources using ToR but not using IH, it looks like ToR
may be useful with 7-caps.
ToR:3+4{+4} => 8-cap = 7 pool, 4 xfer, 4 blood in 1 turn
ZV:5+4 => 8-cap = 9 pool, 4 xfer, 8 blood in 1 turn
8-caps are the starting limit for being able to use Zillah's Valley.
In either case you can get an 8-cap out in 1 turn, so your choice is
either to pay 2 less pool with a ToR for 4 less blood, or to pay
2 more pool with a ZV for 4 more blood. Seems like ZV is better.
ToR:3+4{+4}[+1] => 9-cap = 8 pool, 5 xfer, 5 blood in 2 turns
ZV:5+4[+1] => 9-cap = 9 pool, 5 xfer, 9 blood in 2 turns
IH:0+6+3 => 9-cap = 9 pool, 9 xfer, 9 blood in 2 turns
ToR:3+4{+4}[+2] => 10-cap = 9 pool, 6 xfer, 6 blood in 2 turns
ZV:5+4[+2] => 10-cap = 10 pool, 6 xfer, 10 blood in 2 turns
IH:0+6+4 => 10-cap = 10 pool, 10 xfer, 10 blood in 2 turns
ToR:3+4{+4}[+3] => 11-cap = 10 pool, 7 xfer, 7 blood in 2 turns
ZV:5+4[+3] => 11-cap = 11 pool, 7 xfer, 11 blood in 2 turns
IH:0+6+5 => 11-cap = 11 pool, 11 xfer, 11 blood in 2 turns
For 9- to 11-caps, ToR can save you a single pool over two turns,
but at that point it hardly seems worth it. Use ZV or IH instead.
CONCLUSION
For 5- and 6-caps, you should clearly be using IH.
For 7-caps, ToR may actually be useful, but I'd question the long-
term usefulness of a Unique Master which burns after a single use
over a Unique Master -- IH -- which provides benefits for the entire
game.
For 8-camps and above, saving a single pool by using ToR again seems
to be a short-sighted approach, when you have at your disposal either
a Unique Master -- IH -- which provides benefits for the entire game,
or a non-unique Master -- ZV -- which costs a single pool more than
ToR but gives you better security and stability.
Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas
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RELEVANT TEXTS:
Tomb of Rameses III
Master
3 pool
Master: unique location.
When this card is played or the controller of this card changes,
the controller chooses a vampire in his or her uncontrolled region.
For each blood counter you transfer to the chosen vampire during
your influence phase, move one counter from the blood bank to the
Tomb. At the end of your influence phase, if the total number of
counters on the chosen vampire and on the Tomb equals or exceeds
that vampire's capacity, you may move the vampire to the ready
region. Burn this card (and the counters on it) when this vampire
leaves the uncontrolled region.
Zillah's Valley
Master
5 pool
Move 4 blood from the blood bank to a vampire in your
uncontrolled region with a capacity 8 or more.
Kevin M.
> Peter D Bakija <p...@lightlink.com> wrote:
>> Steve's Winning deck to be posted as soon as he sends it to me :-)
>
> And Steve's winning deck:
> 2x Archon Investigation
> 3x Haven Uncovered
> 4x Sudden Reversal
> 2x Wash
> 1x Academic Hunting Ground
> 1x University Hunting Ground
> 5x Vessel
Is the bad 5x Vessel a metagame issue? If he's worried about
Master slots, why not go 6x Wash and 5x Blood Doll? :(
Johannes Walch
For the record, in our last social game I played 5 Blood Dolls, all of
which were destroyed by Vessels. I was then ousted because I could not
put Blood on my minions when necessary after rescuing.
floppyzedolfin
> For 7-caps, ToR may actually be useful, but I'd question the long-
> term usefulness of a Unique Master which burns after a single use
> over a Unique Master -- IH -- which provides benefits for the entire
> game.
The Tomb is pure gold when using Tariq.
Pay the same cost, but 40% of the time saves you one turn.
Chris Berger
In general, the Tomb is good for 7-caps. Tariq is, of course, a
special case of a 7 cap for whom it is awesome. Danielle Diron is
another, not because it's necessarily good for her to be low on blood
(it's only good for her to be low if you can suck the blood off of
her, and if she's got a lot of blood, you can still suck the blood off
until she gets low), but because the amount of blood on her is
immaterial.
For other 7-caps, it's debatable whether the Tomb is actually more
useful than an Info Highway, or getting out a bigger vamp to Groom the
Protege or Govern down. For 8-caps and above, there's a possible
advantage to the Tomb, but like Kevin, I don't think it's worth the
trade off. It comes down to a) being able to gain blood easily, and
b) personal choice.
It's unfortunate that the Tomb had to be essentially nerfed into non-
existence, but it was way, way too powerful as originally printed, and
the current text is by far the simplest change that left it a) not
broken, and b) not 100% useless, though generally overshadowed by
other means of transfer acceleration.
Kevin M.
> Kevin M. schrieb:
>> Peter D Bakija wrote:
>>> Peter D Bakija <p...@lightlink.com> wrote:
>>>> Steve's Winning deck to be posted as soon as he sends it to me :-)
>>> And Steve's winning deck:
>> [snip]
>>
>>> 2x Archon Investigation
>>> 3x Haven Uncovered
>>> 4x Sudden Reversal
>>> 2x Wash
>>> 1x Academic Hunting Ground
>>> 1x University Hunting Ground
>>> 5x Vessel
>>
>> Is the bad 5x Vessel a metagame issue? If he's worried about
>> Master slots, why not go 6x Wash and 5x Blood Doll? :(
>
> which were destroyed by Vessels. I was then ousted because I could
> not put Blood on my minions when necessary after rescuing.
Well, you were up 10 (5 to -5) on the Vessel guys! :)
Johannes Walch
> Johannes Walch wrote:
>> Kevin M. schrieb:
>>> Peter D Bakija wrote:
>>>> Peter D Bakija <p...@lightlink.com> wrote:
>>>>> Steve's Winning deck to be posted as soon as he sends it to me :-)
>>>> And Steve's winning deck:
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> 2x Archon Investigation
>>>> 3x Haven Uncovered
>>>> 4x Sudden Reversal
>>>> 2x Wash
>>>> 1x Academic Hunting Ground
>>>> 1x University Hunting Ground
>>>> 5x Vessel
>>> Is the bad 5x Vessel a metagame issue? If he's worried about
>>> Master slots, why not go 6x Wash and 5x Blood Doll? :(
>> For the record, in our last social game I played 5 Blood Dolls, all of
>> which were destroyed by Vessels. I was then ousted because I could
>> not put Blood on my minions when necessary after rescuing.
>
> Well, you were up 10 (5 to -5) on the Vessel guys! :)
>
Pool-wise, yes. But I lost all ability to dynamically move blood on and
off my guys which cost me the game in the long run. I was able to
generate pool nicely with Reunion Kamut, but I couldnt move blood to
guys before rescuing them. So I had to spend turns after turns hunting
with one guy or the other. If I was after the "take-off" effect only a
single Tribute to the Master would have been much more efficient than my
5 BDs.
Not to mention that they used the additional master phases actions they
had due to trifleness to play useful stuff like Warsaw Station.
I am going to replace the BDs in that deck by Vessel and will see how it
goes. At least then I will be able to play Vessel AND Effective
Management in the same turn.
I guess people who advertise that Blood Doll is so much better than
Vessel (except for special decks) are thinking in a box. It really
depends if you need the pool from the Vessel/BD right away and your only
pool-gain is that master card(s). If you have different sources of
poolgain and a more weeniesh crypt I think Vessel is much better due to
trifleness and not loosing the move blood on effect due to other players
playing Vessel as well as the added bonus of destroying Ben, Matt and
Kevin´s Blood Dolls ;-)
D.J.
> (my prey in game 3 whose name I missed or forgot) - Black Annis rush
That'd be me (D.J. Chagnon), and it was nice to get to meet and play
with you, Jeff. Yours was a nice deck, generally played artfully -
that lunge bleed turn for 11 or 12 (I forget) was terrifyingly sudden.
> In game mistakes I made that led to my failure to make the finals:
> 2) Playing Path of the Void and reducing Gerald's bleed by one when I
> didn't need the stealth and did need the bleed. Because of this play
> failure, I was unable to oust Black Annis before she wrecked Gerald.
> Her first encounter with him knocked 6-8 blood off of him.
On the other hand, I'd also had a play failure just before that - I'd
done bad math, and declined to play a Fists of Death I had in hand
that would have knocked Gerald into torpor instead of leaving him
ready (that is, assuming no surprises from you). To be honest, when
you played the Path, I'd expected it meant you had a Conditioning or
something, or (alternatively) that the extra stealth you used to get
the other bleed through had been drawn off the PotV.
Anyhow, as said above, good to meet you. You're a gentleman to play
with even when your prey is feeling forced to go upstream and wreck
your star vampire, which is not an easy thing to take...
- D.J.
Peter D Bakija
> Is the bad 5x Vessel a metagame issue? If he's worried about
> Master slots, why not go 6x Wash and 5x Blood Doll? :(
Well, not being Steve, I can guess that the 5x Vessels were to have
trifles and to kill Blood Dolls. And the one thing I heard him say
about his deck was that he thought the Washes should have been Suddens
anyway, so changing to 6x Wash and 5x BD was unlikely to pay off in a
way he liked :-)
-Peter
Peter D Bakija
> Yes, and while you're at it, why not post Ruben Feldman's Weenie DEM
> deck as well?
I didn't see Amber's deck on Friday, but Ruben's deck was very close
to what you would expect for weenie DEM; G3/4 little guys with dem and
DEM (Jackie, Midget, the various 5 caps with DEM, Eddie Gaines,
whoever) and some combination of Kindred Spirits, Mind Tricks, Deny,
Confusion, and Eyes of Chaos. I'm pretty sure those were the only
minion cards in the deck. For Masters, I saw Dementation skill cards,
Misdirection, Anarch Troublemaker, Info Highway, and some Agents of
Power for added speed. Most games started with:
T1: Influence out Eddie and Jackie.
T2: Give Eddie DEM. Bleed for 4 at stealth twice.
And rocket from there.
(I think it was the only Dementation based deck in the tournament
(well, that I saw), so there was very little to worry about in terms
of contesting the weenie DEM minions :-)
-Peter
Peter D Bakija
> Zillah's Valley? I'm often interested in hearing why people choose
> the routes they choose, especially in this particular case.
Now that this has spun off it's own topic, I'll throw out an answer
anyway :-)
I'm pretty sure that Pete Kapsalis was using Tomb 'cause his deck is
based mostly on Easy-E, an 11 cap. So you play Tomb (for 3) and
transfer 6 to Easy-E and get him out for 9 pool and 6 transfers with 6
blood on him. He calls a vote and fills up with Voter Cap. I think
using Godzilla's Valley results in Easy-E coming out for 12 pool in 7
transfers. In this instance, with the Tomb and Voter Cap, the Easy-E
is cheaper and faster. But probably a toss up.
-Peter
Peter D Bakija
> NIT: That average is a bit high.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/da15...
>
I don't know your data really contradicts my basic statement (getting
1VP per game/1GW in 5 games is average). Like, the data you collected
certainly analyzes how people sitting are likely to win (although I'm
unconvinced that your data point that indicates that going third makes
you almost 4 times less likely to win is anything other than a freaky
outlier result :-), and indicates that in 5 player games, there is a
25% chance of a tie (which makes "Tie" more likely than any particular
player of 5 winning, but "Somone Wins" is 75% likely. So the strong
majority of the time, the game is not a tie).
So in terms of my assessment of what is average (1VP/Game; 1GW/5
Games), I'm not really seeing how the likelihood of the game tying
makes the average drop significantly--yeah, 1 (5 player) game in 4
will end in a 2/2/1 split or something, so, what, you'd measure that
in to something like "1GW/6 Games" is average or something?
-Peter
Rehlow
Your math is fine up until this point. I think you started to get
sloppy here and the correct math makes ToR look a little better (at
least pool-wise).
> ToR:3+4{+4}[+1] => 9-cap = 8 pool, 5 xfer, 5 blood in 2 turns
> ZV:5+4[+1] => 9-cap = 9 pool, 5 xfer, 9 blood in 2 turns
ZV will always cost you 1 more pool than the vamp's capacity because
you are paying 5 pool for 4 transfers. A 9 cap costs you 10 pool.
> IH:0+6+3 => 9-cap = 9 pool, 9 xfer, 9 blood in 2 turns
>
> ToR:3+4{+4}[+2] => 10-cap = 9 pool, 6 xfer, 6 blood in 2 turns
Why did you make more than 5 transfers to a 10 cap with ToR? ToR works
the turn you play it and until the vamp comes into play. A 10 cap with
ToR only costs you 8 pool (3 for ToR + 5 transfers of pool)
> ZV:5+4[+2] => 10-cap = 10 pool, 6 xfer, 10 blood in 2 turns
Again, ZV always costs 1 more pool than capacity, so 11 pool.
8 pool vs 11 pool is a significant difference. That first Minion Tap
or Villein is going to be a lot smaller (unless you Voter Cap first),
but maybe you don't need to play a MT or V the turn after the vamp
comes out when you invested 3 less pool.
> IH:0+6+4 => 10-cap = 10 pool, 10 xfer, 10 blood in 2 turns
>
> ToR:3+4{+4}[+3] => 11-cap = 10 pool, 7 xfer, 7 blood in 2 turns
Only 6 transfers required, so that's only 9 pool invested. If you have
2 transfers left over you can always take one pool off the
uncontrolled vamp and they will still come out (5 pool + 6 ToR
counters) and the 11 cap only cost you 8.
> ZV:5+4[+3] => 11-cap = 11 pool, 7 xfer, 11 blood in 2 turns
Should be costing you 12 pool. There is a huge difference in blood on
the vamp here, but also a 12 vs 9 (or 8) pool investment think to
about too.
> IH:0+6+5 => 11-cap = 11 pool, 11 xfer, 11 blood in 2 turns
>
> For 9- to 11-caps, ToR can save you a single pool over two turns,
> but at that point it hardly seems worth it. Use ZV or IH instead.
>
> CONCLUSION
> For 5- and 6-caps, you should clearly be using IH.
>
> For 7-caps, ToR may actually be useful, but I'd question the long-
> term usefulness of a Unique Master which burns after a single use
> over a Unique Master -- IH -- which provides benefits for the entire
> game.
>
> For 8-camps and above, saving a single pool by using ToR again seems
> to be a short-sighted approach, when you have at your disposal either
> a Unique Master -- IH -- which provides benefits for the entire game,
> or a non-unique Master -- ZV -- which costs a single pool more than
> ToR but gives you better security and stability.
>
I haven't played either Zillah's Valley or ToR III in a long time
because I never seem to draw them at the correct time, but if I have a
lot of refill blood tech I might think about ToR over ZV in some
decks.
Later,
~Rehlow
wumpus
> For other 7-caps, it's debatable whether the Tomb is actually more
> useful than an Info Highway, or getting out a bigger vamp to Groom the
> Protege or Govern down. For 8-caps and above, there's a possible
> advantage to the Tomb, but like Kevin, I don't think it's worth the
> trade off. It comes down to a) being able to gain blood easily, and
> b) personal choice.
My cel/THA deck with Goratrix and Anastasz uses ToRIII, as it
potentially saves 3 pool, and they actually kind of like starting out
not full of blood. Which isn't really a vote for ToRIII being good -
just another special case.
> It's unfortunate that the Tomb had to be essentially nerfed into non-
> existence, but it was way, way too powerful as originally printed, and
> the current text is by far the simplest change that left it a) not
> broken, and b) not 100% useless, though generally overshadowed by
> other means of transfer acceleration.
Yep.
Alex
Peter D Bakija
> I'm pretty sure that Pete Kapsalis was using Tomb 'cause his deck is
> based mostly on Easy-E, an 11 cap. So you play Tomb (for 3) and
> transfer 6 to Easy-E and get him out for 9 pool and 6 transfers with 6
> blood on him.
Ooh! I'm pretty sure if you do it just right, you can get him out for
8 pool and 8 transfers:
-Tomb (3 pool, MPA)
-Transfer on 4 (4 pool, 4 transfers) +4 Tomb counters
-Transfer on 2 (2 pool, 2 transfers) +2 Tomb counters
-Transfer off 1 (-1 pool, 2 transfers)
So you get an 11 cap for 8 pool and 8 transfers and an MPA, who comes
into play with 5 blood.
-Peter
The Kaiser
> Peter D Bakija wrote:
> > Peter D Bakija <p...@lightlink.com> wrote:
> >> Steve's Winning deck to be posted as soon as he sends it to me :-)
>
>
> Is the bad 5x Vessel a metagame issue? If he's worried about
> Master slots, why not go 6x Wash and 5x Blood Doll? :(
Ithaca is infested with Vessel. Though the group that I play in feels
that Blood Doll is almost strictly better, we don't bring Blood Dolls
when playing in Ithaca because they don't sit on the table for more
than about twelve seconds. Thus, my suspicion is that this was a
metagame choice more than anything else.
Jakob Sievers
> On Aug 3, 1:59�am, Jakob Sievers <cad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yes, and while you're at it, why not post Ruben Feldman's Weenie DEM
>> deck as well?
>
> I didn't see Amber's deck on Friday, but Ruben's deck was very close
> to what you would expect for weenie DEM; G3/4 little guys with dem and
> DEM (Jackie, Midget, the various 5 caps with DEM, Eddie Gaines,
> whoever)
Morel? Luc?
> and some combination of Kindred Spirits, Mind Tricks, Deny,
> Confusion, and Eyes of Chaos. I'm pretty sure those were the only
> minion cards in the deck.
Veil the Legions? DT?
> For Masters, I saw Dementation skill cards, Misdirection, Anarch
> Troublemaker, Info Highway, and some Agents of Power for added
> speed.
Any defensive masters (AI/DI/Tribute)?
Anyways, thanks for the description.
--
cheers,
-jakob
demonturtle
Wow. If that's right, I need to dump my Zillah's and put in a buncha
Info Highways and Tombs for my Eze deck! The biggest screw factor I
run into is not getting him out quick, at about noon. . . .
Cheers,
John Stevens
P.S. (Or, back to the Main Topic!) By the way, the Qual and the
Nigeria tourneys were great! The most congenial, enjoyable tourneys I
have ever played. Even when I was frustrated by unfortunate
circumstances, my own poor play, or Ben Kalb's machinations (snap!),
it was a lot of fun. Well, except when Ruben ran over the entire
first table over in like 25 minutes. . . :-). The moral of that
story: more Suddens!
I saw a lot of deck variety. In the first game none of us really got
going except for Ruben, although my pred (Sonam, running a Stanislava
deck. Oooooooh. . . I HATE Stanislava!!), came out strong and busted
me up with 8 pool damage in two turns thanks to Smudge the Ignored.
By the time I got Gotsdam out (even with a Dreams in play), he had
Smudge, Ingrid Rossler, and the Madame McCheese in play (due to a
Zillah's trifecta), so I spent the rest of the game fighting him off
while Ruben carved through Jevon, then Sonam, then me after locking
Gotsdam in a van down by the river. Amber's Omaya deck also never got
running, so I did not get to see what it could do.
In the second game, I had great table position, because Sackett's
wacky gun deck was my prey. He quite helpfully ate my grand-prey's
Troglodytia for me and burned a lot of his pool while I held off my
predator. I got through Sackett and stalled a bit on Adam Hulse's
deck, but Corey Siegel got out a Smiling Jack that soon killed Adam,
then his pred, and finally me after I tried to either kill Jack or
draw one of my own.
The third game was the funniest. I sat down in front of Ray Romeo's
weenie deck and I held him off pretty easily for awhile, but then made
two fatal errors. First, I did not Seduce my prey's untapped minion,
and Ben decided (with Ray's help) to deny me an Aranthebes that could
have saved my bacon, since I was burning through S:CE and untap
quickly. The turn after that, I decided to put Smiling Jack into play
instead of giving Gotsdam a Guardian Angel, and on Ray's next turn he
Haven Uncovered Gotsdam and torped him with a pile of H1 attacks.
Oops. I tried to recover but all for naught. My only consolation is
that Ben got ousted at the end in pretty much the same way :-). Oscar
and Greg Galyanov were also at the table, but I interacted with them
rarely, except to give them free blood from Owain. Ray played a great
game and I admired the skill with which he wielded his deck.
Friday night I ran a Gangrel weenie 4/5 anarch bleed deck that
misfired in round 1 and worked so well in round 2 that I turned the
table against me. I got beaten up after I burned through most of my
Earth Melds and a timely DI from my minionless pred killed a strong
bleed that could have set me up for a VP. I definitely want to run
that deck again and see if I can use it a bit more strategically. It
needs a bit more blood gain but I think its progressing quite well.
Thanks again to everyone who came out!
demonturtle
I second Peter's observation, with the addition of a Pentex
Subversion. Those were the only cards I saw as Ruben ran me
over. . . .
Cheers,
John
Peter D Bakija
I only ever saw the G3/4 five caps with DEM. I didn't see any
obfuscate used at all. I'm pretty sure that, literally, the only
minion cards in the deck were:
-Kindred Spirits
-Confusion
-Eyes of Chaos
-Mind Tricks
-Deny
There might have been others in there, and I didn't watch any of the
games Ruben was playing all that closely, but those were the only ones
I saw.
> Veil the Legions? DT?
I'm pretty sure there was no obfuscate at all. It is certainly
possible that there were some other defensive minion cards like Wake
type cards or DT or something. But I never saw any.
If I were to guess what the crypt was, I'd go with:
-Eddie Gaines (1) dem
-Cassandra Langley (2) dem
-Jackie (3) DEM
-Midget (3) DEM
-Adalaide (4) dem
-Beauregard (4) dem
-Fabrizia (4) dem
-Jeremy Talbot (4) dem
-Sean Ryceck (4) dem
-Apache Jones (5) DEM
-Persia (5) DEM
-Uncle George (5) DEM
(i.e. the 12 smallest minions in G3/4 with dem/DEM). It is possible
that he might have doubled up on Jackie or something, but probably
not--as games went on, he got out lots of guys, and didn't seem to
have duplicates.
> Any defensive masters (AI/DI/Tribute)?
Possibly? I suspect that DI was in there (as why wouldn't it?), but I
don't think that there were any pool gain masters. Oh, yeah, there
were certainly some Pentex Subversions too.
Ruben, unsurprisingly, did really well--he swept two games (5VP each),
got 1.5 VP in a game that timed out where he was sitting at a table
with Steve, who could rush and beat up his guys, and lost the final
'cause he was Steve's prey (who again, could rush and beat up his
guys) and the rest of the table worked on slowing him down--Alex, his
first prey only ever got out 1 minion, but burned two of Ruben's
minions; Sonam, his second prey, didn't last real long, but was enough
of a buffer with Alex to let Cory set up pretty well; by the time
Ruben got to Cory, he was down a few minions, had a few more in
torpor, and Cory had the Bowl of Convergence and a lot of block tech.
-Peter
Peter D Bakija
> Ithaca is infested with Vessel.
Heh, yeah a lot of people like Vessel around here. I still use Blood
Doll all the time, and generally keep about half the Blood Dolls I
play. I tend to use Vessel in decks that only have a couple; i.e. if
I'm gonna use 6-8 of one of those, I use Blood Dolls. If I'm gonna use
2 or 3, I'll often use Vessel, especially if I have other methods of
pool gain or pool defense in the deck.
-Peter
Kevin M.
Then you should be playing Ascendence and screwing them over! :)
Or be playing Tribute to the Master and screwing them over! :)
Or be playing Minion Tap/Villein for 2 and screwing them over! :)
Or be playing Blood Doll and be up a 2 point swing when your
Blood Doll gets asploded, and screwing them over! :)
If you are at a 5-player table and you have 8x Blood Doll and
everyone else has 8x Vessel, someone has already been ousted! :)
(8x Vessel = -32 pool)
Kevin M.
> "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote:
>> The Kaiser wrote:
>>> OldFan <Asif.I.Chaud...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Everyone came out pretty strong with their crypt draws - Peter
>>>> got Tomb of Ramses to accelerate out Eze, and used the Coven
>>>> to help get some of his blood back up.
>>
>>> This is semi-off topic, but is there a reason to play Tomb over
>>> (god) Zillah's Valley? I'm often interested in hearing why people
>>> choose the routes they choose, especially in this particular case.
>>
>> Here is a quick analysis of Tomb of Ramses. I'll only look
>> at the capacities you can't get out in one turn, obviously.
> Your math is fine up until this point. I think you started
> to get sloppy here and the correct math makes ToR look
> a little better (at least pool-wise).
[snip Rehlow's 9- to 11-cap analysis]
Yea, I screwed it up. Besides, Bakija correctly shows that
you can (and should) xfer off in certain circumstances.
OK, here are the proper formulas:
FORMULA
ToR/ZV/IH cost + (1 pool/xfer) + {1 TOR counter} +/- [1 pool/xfer]
ANALYSIS
ToR:3(+2){+2}[+1] => 5-cap = 6 pool, 3 xfer, 3 blood in 1 turn
IH:0(+5) => 5-cap = 5 pool, 5 xfer, 5 blood in 1 turn
ToR:3(+3){+3} => 6-cap = 6 pool, 3 xfer, 3 blood in 1 turn
IH:0(+6) => 6-cap = 6 pool, 6 xfer, 6 blood in 1 turn
ToR:3(+3){+3}[+1] => 7-cap = 7 pool, 4 xfer, 4 blood in 1 turn
ToR:3(+4){+4} => 8-cap = 7 pool, 4 xfer, 4 blood in 1 turn
ZV:5(+4) => 8-cap = 9 pool, 4 xfer, 8 blood in 1 turn
ToR:3(+5){+5}[-1] => 9-cap = 7 pool, 7 xfer, 4 blood in 2 turns
ZV:5(+4) [+1] => 9-cap = 10 pool, 5 xfer, 9 blood in 2 turns
IH:0(+6)(+3) => 9-cap = 9 pool, 9 xfer, 9 blood in 2 turns
ToR:3(+5){+5} => 10-cap = 8 pool, 5 xfer, 5 blood in 2 turns
ZV:5(+4) [+2] => 10-cap = 11 pool, 6 xfer, 10 blood in 2 turns
IH:0(+6)(+4) => 10-cap = 10 pool, 10 xfer, 10 blood in 2 turns
ToR:3(+6){+6}[-1] => 11-cap = 8 pool, 8 xfer, 5 blood in 2 turns
ZV:5(+4) [+3] => 11-cap = 12 pool, 7 xfer, 11 blood in 2 turns
IH:0(+6)(+5) => 11-cap = 11 pool, 11 xfer, 11 blood in 2 turns
Peter D Bakija
> The top 7 Qualified.
>
> The columns are rank, name, GW (pre final), VP (pre final), VP in
> final, TP.
>
> 1 Steve Wampler 1 7.5 3 162
> 2 Cory Seigel 2 6 0 150
> 2 Alex Koratzanis 1 4.5 0 126
> 2 Sonam Adinolf 1 5 0 114
> 2 Ruben Feldman 2 11.5 2 174
> 6 Adam Hulse 1 4.5 120
> 7 Ray Ramos 1 4 132
It occurs to me--do I need to send a special message somewhere to
someone so these people are registered as being qualified? I filled in
the WW tournament results form, but don't know if there is somewhere
else I need to send things to.
Thanks!
-Peter
The Lasombra
Have you reported your mini-qualifier or qualifier results?
http://www.thelasombra.com/NAC2009/nac2k9qualifiedplayers.htm
Please direct any corrections, concerns or missing events to Robyn
Tatu. (Email address on webpage.)
Peter D Bakija
> Have you reported your mini-qualifier or qualifier results?
Yep. But there was nowhere to indicate who actually qualified. Was
just wondering if there was something else that needed to happen.
-Peter
The Lasombra
> > Have you reported your mini-qualifier or qualifier results?
> Yep. But there was nowhere to indicate who actually qualified. Was
> just wondering if there was something else that needed to happen.
If you didn't email Robyn, it wasn't reported.
Peter D Bakija
> If you didn't email Robyn, it wasn't reported.
Ah, yeah, that's what I needed. Thanks!
-Peter
Jakob Sievers
> On Aug 3, 4:03�pm, Jakob Sievers <cad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Morel? Luc?
>
> I only ever saw the G3/4 five caps with DEM. I didn't see any
> obfuscate used at all. I'm pretty sure that, literally, the only
> minion cards in the deck were:
[snip]
Thanks for the report!
--
cheers,
-jakob
Dasein
> misfired in round 1 and worked so well in round 2 that I turned the
> table against me. I got beaten up after I burned through most of my
> Earth Melds and a timely DI from my minionless pred killed a strong
> bleed that could have set me up for a VP. I definitely want to run
> that deck again and see if I can use it a bit more strategically. It
> needs a bit more blood gain but I think its progressing quite well.
Hmm sounds interesting. Any chance of a decklist, or a few more
details about the deck?
quickbeam
> On 2 Aug, 20:54, Peter D Bakija <p...@lightlink.com> wrote:
>
> > Results from 419 Operation: Ithaca!
> > Cornell University, Ithaca, NY
> > July 31, 2009
> > 14 players
> > ....
> > Amber Clooney (Settite filthy cheese) 1/5.5
>
> This deck is relevant to my interests, could I get a list for it
> please?
>
> Many thanks.
Sorry for the delay. Here is Amber's decklist
--------------
Crypt: 12
1x Abdelsobek for nec obf pre ser 5 FoS
1x Ahmose Chambers obf ser 3 FoS
2x Ankh-sen-Sutekh PRE SER obf 6 FoS +1 Bleed
1x Belle Equitone ser 2 FoS
2x Bupe Kuila OBF POT SER pre 7 FoS +1 Intercept
1x Denette Stensen obf 2 !Gangrel
1x Ogwon OBF PRE SER for 7 FoS
1x Renenet OBF PRE ser 5 FoS
1x Reverend Djoser Jones per ser 3 FoS
1x Sundervere AUS PRE SER THA obf 8 FoS Red list, + bleed
-------------------
Library: 73
Actions: 15
1x Dream World
2x Enchant Kindred
1x Enticement
4x Entrancement
1x Legal Manipulations
2x Social Charm
3x Temptation
1x Waters of Duat
Action Modifier: 26
3x Cloak the Gathering
1x Domain of Evernight
2x Elder Impersonation
4x Faceless Night
6x Lost in Crowds
4x Spying Mission
2x True Love's Face
2x Truth of a Thousand Lies
2x Veil the Legions
Combo: 4
4x Swallowed by the Night
Combat: 3
3x Majesty
Master: 13
1x Anarch Troublemaker
1x The Barrens
2x Blood Doll
2x The Crocodile Temple
1x Dummy Corporation
2x Obfuscate
1x Opium Den
1x Retribution
1x The Rumor Mill
1x Temple Hunting Ground
Political Action: 1
1x Free States Rant
Reaction: 11
2x Delaying Tactics
4x Ecstasy
2x On the Qui Vive
3x Wake with Evening's Freshness
-dc