Player ranking
wargrim
several weeks.
Why is that ?
Peter D Bakija
Maybe Robin, the volunteer who does that, has been busy?
-Peter
Vincent
Especially with the EC day 1 (more than 100 results to enter).
Asnek
That Brigs up one question. Why there is only ONE person doing such
nasty and hard work? Maybe one or more volunteers will help her to
shorten the possible backlog and as well to speed up the whole
process.
I'm volunteering :D
John P.
I'm not disputing that Robyn is busy
But from conversations, it seems to be a web issue more than a backlog
on Robyn's part. Now admittedly I have not talked to Robyn in six
months so it may have changed.
But good on you to volunteer. It may be helpful, it may not be, but
its all you can do.
Regards
John P.
Asnek
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hehe
you know check the calendar we see there a lot of tournaments
worldwide. few in australia, few in south america, quite bigger
amounts come from US/Canada and as well from europe.
Robyn is the only one person doing this for the whole worldwide VTES
scene. maybe some divide will help her to really get just some less
work.
like small division with another person working on tournaments for
example from Europe only.
I was a prince before and it took me around 20-25 minutes for each
torunament to fill in results and do "paperwork". i believe it took
Robyn at least same time to check the results aprove them and do some
other paperwork as well. if you see some numbers - it's like 7-10
tournaments a week. that makes like 140-200 minutes (maybe even more)
of work each week. thatmeans she gives us 2.5-3.5 hours of her's own
time each week. just simple multiply makes it terrible number of work
per year - 125-175 hours of NOT PAID work yearly... (it's like 5-7
days!!!!)
But maybe Robyn should express her feeling as well to get all of us to
the right point of wiev.
Kevin M.
> Vincent <v.rip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Peter D Bakija <p...@lightlink.com> wrote:
>>> wargrim <watrasmar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I noticed that the ranking on WW web site hasn't been updated
>>>> for last several weeks. Why is that ?
>>
>>> Maybe Robin, the volunteer who does that, has been busy?
>>
>
> That Brigs up one question. Why there is only ONE person doing
> such nasty and hard work? Maybe one or more volunteers will help
> her to shorten the possible backlog and as well to speed up the whole
> process.
Thre is a saying, 'Too many cooks spoil the soup.'
This is also why there has rarely been another designer.
Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas
"Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles
you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War*
"Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier
Please visit VTESville daily! http://vtesville.myminicity.com/
Please buy my cards! http://shop.ebay.com/kjmergen/m.html
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rob...@mindspring.com
> > On Dec 18, 11:52 am, Asnek <tatadl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> But maybe Robyn should express her feeling as well to get all of us to
> the right point of wiev.- Hide quoted text -
I really enjoy working on the ratings!
I am typically less attentive around this time of year. Post EC,
Holidays.
Yes, I’ve been quite slow to approve events and I will explain that
shortly.
Thank you for your offer to help - I love you.
Because I keep electronic records of everything I do, missing
information is a problem so I feel strongly that Ratings Coordinator
is a one person job.
I’m willing to give up the job if someone would love to take over, but
I’m not willing to share it.
Since I don’t have control of the ratings data bases or server I have
been content with enthusiastic tech support to fix things when they
break. Because I am a volunteer I try to pick my battles carefully
and I've enjoyed a good working relationship with the Web team. I can
live with quirks as long as the information is credible.
Things have finally broken beyond my ability to defend them:
*Any punctuation other than a period (dot) breaks
the uploader. You must express half vps with a period and not a
comma. 80% of the users of the ratings are non-American. The comma'd
player doesn't upload at all and there is no record to add him post
approval. The entire event must come out and be re-entered. Time
spent correcting these errors is absurd. Princes forget. They should
never have had to worry about such a thing.
*Because the ratings player data base is married to
the White-Wolf shopping data base I am not allowed to alter those
player records. Privacy issues. I can’t help you fix your records
and the registry is full of junk that should go go go.
*The site is not able to handle the processing of
an event over 65 players. A large event has to get input in its
entirety, the regular way, then I have to figure out who is missing
from the site (Who it keeps is arbitrary), then I write the Web
developer to manually puts in all the missing players and their stats
and runs queries to correct the math. Then there are lots of emails
about what needs correcting....etc. I said I would get to the left
over large events and hit white wolf with them all at once.
I will do that. YES! (Go-Team clapping).....but I'd sure rather wait
and enter them into something that works....
*The National Ranking page is broken; it uses the
name of the player and not the vekn number for its calculations so
most of the players don’t appear on their individual country rank
lists. I asked for that to be disabled over a year ago.
*I asked Jeff Thompson (The Lasombra) to take over
hosting the 2009 Qualifiers list because I knew he would post my
updates in a timely fashion. Thank you, Jeff!
*Just before the EC I discovered that the global
player rankings are wrong. There is a query that goes through and
adds the player’s eligible games, then ranks the players in order.
About one third of the players are wrong. Their games don’t add up.
Numbers are being omitted……I’ve done everything I know how to do to
troubleshoot and when I reported and asked for help on the issue I was
told…….
“Yeah. That’s too bad….”
Oscar has done all he can do to get help for me on this. It’s no
longer a priority for the company. Perfectly understandable.
There have been several calls for a volunteer to create and host the
ratings data on a separate server. I remain available to administer
and provide seed data……….
I don’t want to advise that we STOP putting in events. There may be
other solutions....... and If someone DOES create a new site, I’d like
to be able to launch with the most current data available. I am
continuing to approve, record, correct, and re-rank. I have years of
data: Player registry, game history from 2002 through current, Game
calendar, and years of Archons. My data is in Excel.
Someone should step up soon (I am NOT a developer) as there is very
little point in my continuing in the current situation.
Of course, it might be that the time of ratings has past.
Robyn Tatu
Vtes Ratings Coordinator
Blowing on the embers………
Blooded Sand
> Asnek wrote:
> > Vincent <v.rip...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Peter D Bakija <p...@lightlink.com> wrote:
> >>> wargrim <watrasmar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> I noticed that the ranking on WW web site hasn't been updated
> >>>> for last several weeks. Why is that ?
>
> >>> Maybe Robin, the volunteer who does that, has been busy?
>
> >> Especially with the EC day 1 (more than 100 results to enter).
>
> > That Brigs up one question. Why there is only ONE person doing
> > such nasty and hard work? Maybe one or more volunteers will help
> > her to shorten the possible backlog and as well to speed up the whole
> > process.
>
> Thre is a saying, 'Too many cooks spoil the soup.'
>
> This is also why there has rarely been another designer.
There is also another saying "Many hands make light work"
The Lasombra
>There is also another saying "Many hands make light work"
Except when it comes to VEKN 'princes' entering data, where many hands
makes more and more and more work.
Chris Berger
> > > On Dec 18, 11:52 am, Asnek <tatadl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > But maybe Robyn should express her feeling as well to get all of us to
> > the right point of wiev.- Hide quoted text -
>
{ snip - the gory details }
>
> Robyn Tatu
> Vtes Ratings Coordinator
>
That's very interesting, and being as part of my job is administrating
databases (a very tiny part, but part nonetheless), I can totally
understand your frustration with a broken db. Although ratings have
never really mattered to me (and it's been a long, long time since I
participated in enough tournaments for it to remotely matter), I know
it's something important to a lot of people (who I know really
appreciate your work on it).
I wouldn't necessarily blame the people at WW who are working with you
on this, but for WW in general it seems that it's another symptom of
the growing evidence that V:TES is just not a priority to them at all
anymore... Is it possible that Heirs is the last or penultimate set?
Or maybe sets will continue to come out with greatly declining
quality? I'm not necessarily trying to start a conspiracy theory or
say "the sky is falling." But do others disagree that it seems like
WW doesn't care about V:TES anymore?
Kevin M.
> I wouldn't necessarily blame the people at WW who are working with you
> on this, but for WW in general it seems that it's another symptom of
> the growing evidence that V:TES is just not a priority to them at all
> anymore... Is it possible that Heirs is the last or penultimate set?
Please STOP putting up straw men such as this.
There is ZERO evidence that <set> is the last set.
> Or maybe sets will continue to come out with greatly declining
> quality? I'm not necessarily trying to start a conspiracy theory or
> say "the sky is falling."
Of course you are. There is no other reason for your straw men.
You could say "I wouldn't necessarily blame the people at WW who are
working with you on this, but for WW in general it seems that it's another
symptom of the growing evidence that V:TES is just not a priority to them
at all anymore." But then you add the lunatic conspiracy theory. Why?
wargrim
> *Any punctuation other than a period (dot) breaks
> the uploader. You must express half vps with a period and not a
> comma. 80% of the users of the ratings are non-American. The comma'd
> player doesn't upload at all and there is no record to add him post
> approval. The entire event must come out and be re-entered. Time
> spent correcting these errors is absurd. Princes forget. They should
> never have had to worry about such a thing.
This is what just happened to me last weekend. I do enter the results
one - twice a year, and I didn't remember about the "dot" issue. For
Polish people "comma" is the only separator (Excel, etc.).
What can be done about that ? Can you just not submit thiose results,
and I would re-enter them again ?
Chris Berger
> Chris Berger wrote:
>
> > Or maybe sets will continue to come out with greatly declining
> > quality? I'm not necessarily trying to start a conspiracy theory or
> > say "the sky is falling."
>
> Of course you are. There is no other reason for your straw men.
>
> You could say "I wouldn't necessarily blame the people at WW who are
> working with you on this, but for WW in general it seems that it's another
> symptom of the growing evidence that V:TES is just not a priority to them
> at all anymore." But then you add the lunatic conspiracy theory. Why?
>
Kevin, seriously, shut the fuck up. I'm so sick of your bullshit on
this newsgroup and I'm so done with it. "Straw men"? I don't think
you have any idea what that means. But thanks for the random
unintelligible flaming, as usual.
Amenophobis
(snipped)
> Of course, it might be that the time of ratings has past.
>
> Robyn Tatu
> Vtes Ratings Coordinator
>
> Blowing on the embers………
Robyn, this sound a bit ominious. Has the time of ratings passed?
There is no reason that the ratings couldn't be hosted on a fan-site
if WW is not able to do it properly. This has happened before and it
can happen again... ;)
Robyn, you are doing a great job! I'm glad that me handing over the
job to you has led to a great deal of stability. :)
C.
(still lurking most of the time)
Blooded Sand
Amen
Kevin M.
> On Dec 21, 9:50 pm, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote:
>> Chris Berger wrote:
>>> Or maybe sets will continue to come out with greatly declining
>>> quality? I'm not necessarily trying to start a conspiracy theory or
>>> say "the sky is falling."
>>
>> Of course you are. There is no other reason for your straw men.
>>
>> You could say "I wouldn't necessarily blame the people at WW who are
>> working with you on this, but for WW in general it seems that it's
>> another symptom of the growing evidence that V:TES is just not a
>> priority to them at all anymore." But then you add the lunatic
>> conspiracy theory. Why?
>
> Kevin, seriously, shut the fuck up. I'm so sick of your bullshit on
> this newsgroup and I'm so done with it.
So you promise not to respond to me anymore? Ok.
> "Straw men"? I don't think you have any idea what that means.
I did mean red herring, I guess. Sorry about that.
> But thanks for the random unintelligible flaming, as usual.
"Random"? Nothing I do is random.
"Unintelligible"? I think everything I say is understandable.
"Flaming"? Seriously, who do I flame?
Perhaps it is you who have no idea what any of these words mean.
Unless you want to give examples.
Or just tell me to STFU again.
_angst_
> I wouldn't necessarily blame the people at WW who are working with you
> on this, but for WW in general it seems that it's another symptom of
> the growing evidence that V:TES is just not a priority to them at all
> anymore... Is it possible that Heirs is the last or penultimate set?
> Or maybe sets will continue to come out with greatly declining
> quality? I'm not necessarily trying to start a conspiracy theory or
> say "the sky is falling." But do others disagree that it seems like
> WW doesn't care about V:TES anymore?
This was denied by WW officials at the EC iirc. Agreed, there seem to
be some problems with the WW/CCP - V:tES relationship atm. With stuff
like a ranking db that just seems to be fubar, information not being
spread very well, etc, etc... But I think it's important for us (the
vtes community) to try to have a friendly approach to WW/CCP and try
to work with them to solve these problems. We probably shouldn't start
a WW is pish topic every month or so ;)
The things Robyn are saying are however a concern. I care about
rankings. Many people I know do. And when you care about ranking you
want the data you care about to be sound and proper.
Regards
Alex Ek
Swedish NC
Blooded Sand
Rankings are not an issue to me. To me, the fact that the head of
marketing/PR thinks VtES is satan's tool for leading us all into hell
(paraphrase) is a concern. This guy has say in how resources are
allocated, which means he will do his best to try and squeeze us out.
_angst_
Didn't you hear his speech? He's a changed man now ;)
librarian
> On 21 Dez., 21:54, roby...@mindspring.com wrote:
>
> (snipped)
>
>> Of course, it might be that the time of ratings has past.
>>
>> Robyn Tatu
>> Vtes Ratings Coordinator
>>
>
> Robyn, this sound a bit ominious. Has the time of ratings passed?
> There is no reason that the ratings couldn't be hosted on a fan-site
> if WW is not able to do it properly. This has happened before and it
> can happen again... ;)
This seems like the clear solution. Now we need someone to
step up and do it. Perhaps Walch and Nusser can host it on
their site and they can have ads for their stuff; or House
Atreides; or the Lasombra; or maybe even Potomac. Or
someone else...
>
> Robyn, you are doing a great job! I'm glad that me handing over the
> job to you has led to a great deal of stability. :)
>
Robyn has been doing a great job after she took over for
you. Thanks to both of you!
best -
chris
Kushiel
> But do others disagree that it seems like
> WW doesn't care about V:TES anymore?
I don't agree with that. It seems to me that WW cares about VTES about
as much as it ever has since I got back into the game, circa 2001:
enough to continue to produce it and sell it, but not enough to do
more than the barest amount of effort to support it in any other way.
That's why I always find these worries interesting (and sort of
amusing, but not in an denigratory way) - as far as I can see, WW's
attitude toward the game hasn't changed in the last eight years, but
people's perceptions of that relationship seem to move through cycles
of happiness and worry for reasons that I can never quite seem to
understand. :)
John Eno
JH
> I don’t want to advise that we STOP putting in events. There may be
> other solutions....... and If someone DOES create a new site, I’d like
> to be able to launch with the most current data available. I am
> continuing to approve, record, correct, and re-rank. I have years of
> data: Player registry, game history from 2002 through current, Game
> calendar, and years of Archons. My data is in Excel.
>
> Someone should step up soon (I am NOT a developer) as there is very
> little point in my continuing in the current situation.
>
> Of course, it might be that the time of ratings has past.
>
> Robyn Tatu
> Vtes Ratings Coordinator
>
> Blowing on the embers………
I don't know how much you are aware of the discussions, but we have
been talking with Johannes Walch about him hosting and few of us PHP/
MySQL junkies creating a new site, dedicated to the VEKN ratings.
Johannes has unfortunately been a bit out of touch recently, but I
hope we can gather a team early next year and start working on a
proper site for the ratings. Patrick Benoit said something about
having been in touch with you, concerning the data dumps that would be
required to import all the old data. And there have also been few
others who have pointed out their interest in helping to make this
happen.
Wilsoros
drastically simplify the process.
Who is interested in working on it?
Also Robyn, as our Queen, what do you want to be included, excluded
from the process? we can write something that asks "." or ","
separator so it won't gum up the works.
What else?
Also new idea for a card:
Strawman
Reflexive
Put hit card in play when another Methuselah plays a Gehenna card.
Any Methuselah may use a master phase action to move 1 pool to this
card, when this card has 2 counters, it ignites and the world ends.
Only one Strawman may be played per day.
Matthew T. Morgan
> I wouldn't necessarily blame the people at WW who are working with you
> on this, but for WW in general it seems that it's another symptom of
> the growing evidence that V:TES is just not a priority to them at all
> anymore... Is it possible that Heirs is the last or penultimate set?
No, it's not. Oscar announced at the EC that another set was in the works
and they'd continue to make vtes as long as we continued to buy it (or
something like that). There's absolutely no reason to think this at all.
I make no excuses for Kevin, but this kind of stuff is borderline
hysterical.
> Or maybe sets will continue to come out with greatly declining
> quality?
What declining quality? KoT is top notch. Where has the qualitied
declined? For my money the sets have been getting a lot better.
> I'm not necessarily trying to start a conspiracy theory or
> say "the sky is falling." But do others disagree that it seems like
> WW doesn't care about V:TES anymore?
What anymore? Because our ranking page isn't getting updated? It's
always behind. The vtes website is an ugly mess and always has been.
We've always gotten late previews, lack of promotion, lack of
announcements. Why on earth when this stuff has been going on since the
start would you think vtes is about to die now?
Blooded Sand
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009, Chris Berger wrote:
> > I wouldn't necessarily blame the people at WW who are working with you
> > on this, but for WW in general it seems that it's another symptom of
> > the growing evidence that V:TES is just not a priority to them at all
> > anymore... Is it possible that Heirs is the last or penultimate set?
>
> No, it's not. Oscar announced at the EC that another set was in the works
> and they'd continue to make vtes as long as we continued to buy it (or
> something like that).
> > Or maybe sets will continue to come out with greatly declining
> > quality?
>
> What declining quality? KoT is top notch. Where has the qualitied
> declined? For my money the sets have been getting a lot better.
Absolutely true. Just better and better!
rob...@mindspring.com
.........> hope we can gather a team early next year and start working
on a
> proper site for the ratings. Patrick Benoit said something about
> having been in touch with you, concerning the data dumps that would be
> required to import all the old data. And there have also been few
> others who have pointed out their interest in helping to make this
>
> - Show quoted text -
My sample data is on it's way to Patrick - and anyone interested in
discussing design
can contact me by email.
Robyn_r@(NotThisPart)mindspring.com
We'll have a phone conversation and I'll pay for it if, that's a
concern.
Let's do the talking part soon.
Robyn
rob...@mindspring.com
Gang Territory? Dec 19 - Marcin?
I removed those results and you can enter them again at your
leisure.
Robyn
James Coupe
>That's why I always find these worries interesting (and sort of
>amusing, but not in an denigratory way) - as far as I can see, WW's
>attitude toward the game hasn't changed in the last eight years, but
>people's perceptions of that relationship seem to move through cycles
>of happiness and worry for reasons that I can never quite seem to
>understand. :)
The usual pattern is that when we have interesting and exciting things
to discuss - say, 150 new cards have just been dropped into the game -
people will spend lots of time discussing those. When there's been a
long time since a release, the shiny new card discussion gets replaced
with Other Things.
--
James Coupe
PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR.
EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING.
13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.
_angst_
Daneel
<ark...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:
> On Dec 21, 9:50ï¿œpm, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote:
>> Chris Berger wrote:
>>
>> > Or maybe sets will continue to come out with greatly declining
>> > quality? ï¿œI'm not necessarily trying to start a conspiracy theory or
>> > say "the sky is falling."
>>
>> Of course you are. ï¿œThere is no other reason for your straw men.
>>
>> You could say "I wouldn't necessarily blame the people at WW who are
>> working with you on this, but for WW in general it seems that it's
>> another
>> symptom of the growing evidence that V:TES is just not a priority to
>> them
>> at all anymore." ï¿œBut then you add the lunatic conspiracy theory. ï¿œWhy?
>
> Kevin, seriously, shut the fuck up. I'm so sick of your bullshit on
> this newsgroup and I'm so done with it. "Straw men"? I don't think
> you have any idea what that means. But thanks for the random
> unintelligible flaming, as usual.
Well said.
--
Regards,
Daneel
wargrim
Yes,
Thats me :)
Thank You very much.
I will re-enter the results without commas...
Chris Berger
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009, Chris Berger wrote:
>
> > Or maybe sets will continue to come out with greatly declining
> > quality?
>
> What declining quality? KoT is top notch. Where has the qualitied
> declined? For my money the sets have been getting a lot better.
>
released...
Chris Berger
> Chris Berger wrote:
>
> > "Straw men"? I don't think you have any idea what that means.
>
> I did mean red herring, I guess. Sorry about that.
>
I guess that depends on whether you think I'm trying to set up a
weaker argument so that I can knock it down, or if you think I'm
trying to divert an unfavorable argument by deliberately changing the
subject of discussion. I don't see where either applies...
> "Flaming"? Seriously, who do I flame?
>
Umm... everyone you respond to? 80% of your posts in this NG are
attacks on someone. Even in the few cases where it's deserved, it's
still tiresome.
Matthew T. Morgan
KoT is the most recent base set. I don't even see how you can talk about
declining quality when the most recent base set is one of the best sets in
the history of the game. The only flaw I can see in it is certain
reprints that new players will want (Govern, Deflection, Parity Shift)
didn't make it into the set.
Even if HttB isn't that great a set (but how can it be bad with new
Baali?), it would hardly be a reason to think vtes is going down the
tubes.
It doesn't even make sense. Suppose the brass at WW/CCP have decided that
vtes should die a slow death by releasing bad sets until nobody buys them
anymore (a highly, highly questionable business decision, to be sure). So
then what? They tell Scott "make the next set kinda bad, please"? And
he'd do that? The whole thing is preposterous.
By the way, I've seen a bunch of art from HttB and speaking as someone who
doesn't really get very excited about card art, I think it's the best I've
seen. Somebody at WW/CCP took the time to find some good artists to do
some really nice work for these cards. The stuff on the promo site
doesn't really do justice to all the great work in the set.
Kevin M.
> "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote:
>> Chris Berger wrote:
>>> "Straw men"? I don't think you have any idea what that means.
>>
>> I did mean red herring, I guess. Sorry about that.
>
> I guess that depends on whether you think I'm trying to set up a
> weaker argument so that I can knock it down, or if you think I'm
> trying to divert an unfavorable argument by deliberately changing the
> subject of discussion. I don't see where either applies...
"...but for WW in general it seems that it's another symptom of the
growing evidence that V:TES is just not a priority to them at all
anymore..."
The only evidence, if you can call it that, is that White Wolf doesn't
seem to care about a web-based presence for VTES. I don't see this as
evidence that "V:TES is just not a priority to them at all anymore",
but rather a continuation of a company policy that White Wolf hasn't
EVER really cared about their web-based presence, in the sense that
they've always done the most basic, absolute minimum VTES website.
"Is it possible that Heirs is the last or penultimate set?"
Here's the red herring.
Or, if I'm not using that term correctly, you could help me with
the proper term for throwing up a statement with zero evidence?
Or, we could just not argue anymore, I guess. That might be best
for both of us, and, from your POV, for the community in general.
>> "Flaming"? Seriously, who do I flame?
>
> Umm... everyone you respond to? 80% of your posts in this NG are
> attacks on someone. Even in the few cases where it's deserved, it's
> still tiresome.
I'm sorry that you see it that way. Perhaps filtering me would be best.
I'll remove you from my mailing lists as well, since there's clearly an
issue.
Matthew T. Morgan
> "Is it possible that Heirs is the last or penultimate set?"
>
> Here's the red herring.
>
> Or, if I'm not using that term correctly, you could help me with
> the proper term for throwing up a statement with zero evidence?
Slippery slope. X (ratings not updated, although now they have been) has
occurred therefore Y (vtes dies) must occur. X does not lead to Y.
A red herring is close. It involves introducing some irrelevant
information, but the red herring would not be that HttB is the last set
but that the ratings aren't being updated. So: HttB must be the last vtes
set because the ratings aren't being updated anymore.
A straw man is when a party sets up a weaker argument that isn't in fact
what anybody is saying at all and attacks that. For example: How can you
say vtes isn't changing at all when the ratings aren't being updated
anymore?
Did I mention the ratings were updated?
Chris Berger
Saying that I said that vtes must die is a strawman. Hope this helps.
Matthew T. Morgan
> Saying that I said that vtes must die is a strawman. Hope this helps.
Indeed it is. I was just thinking about that, in fact. But the thing is
when presented with a logical fallacy (your slippery slope), it is often
challenging to come up with a counterargument as there's really no
argument to attack. It's better to just point out the logical fallacy and
move on, but I wasn't thinking about that until Kevin started listing a
few.
librarian
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009, Chris Berger wrote:
>
>>
>
> Even if HttB isn't that great a set (but how can it be bad with new
> Baali?),
I take issue with this statement. You should have written
"how can it be bad with new Blood Brothers?"
Clearly that acorn that hit you on the head was the end of
the known universe.
best -
chris
straw mensch
Salem
> By the way, I've seen a bunch of art from HttB and speaking as someone
> who doesn't really get very excited about card art, I think it's the
> best I've seen. Somebody at WW/CCP took the time to find some good
> artists to do some really nice work for these cards. The stuff on the
> promo site doesn't really do justice to all the great work in the set.
That's pretty exciting for me, as i already thought the art on the
preview site was rather impressive! i do like good art. and theme. and
backstory. suck on _that_, peter! ;)
--
salem
(replace 'hotmail' with 'gmail' to email)
Peter D Bakija
> That's pretty exciting for me, as i already thought the art on the
> preview site was rather impressive! i do like good art. and theme. and
> backstory. suck on _that_, peter! ;)
Ouch! Sucking on it!
-Peter. Who likes good art?
Chris Berger
>
> >> "Flaming"? Seriously, who do I flame?
>
> > Umm... everyone you respond to? 80% of your posts in this NG are
> > attacks on someone. Even in the few cases where it's deserved, it's
> > still tiresome.
>
> I'm sorry that you see it that way. Perhaps filtering me would be best.
> I'll remove you from my mailing lists as well, since there's clearly an
> issue.
>
Clearly there *is* an issue, if you felt it appropriate to respond to
my post in the way you did.
Salem
i thought you once said something about the backstory not being all that
important to you....
i think it was someone else who said they didn't care if the cards had
pictures or not....
i think i was posting under the lack of influence of caffeine, in direct
violation of LSJ's First Law of Usenet.
Peter D Bakija
> i thought you once said something about the backstory not being all that
> important to you....
No, no, I did. Which was why I was sucking it.
> i think it was someone else who said they didn't care if the cards had
> pictures or not....
I was just pointing out that I liked art. Even though I think
backstory is mostly irrelevant. So I can suck it :-)
-Peter
Salem
awesome! sucker!
wargrim
It's been almost 2 months now since the last EC (Mallorca) and the
results are still incomplete.
I think that the leader would be different if the ranking was updated.