I hate Arika.
Reyda
some of you already know me, some don't.
I'm not a good player, i just like the game mechanics and original deck
engineering.
When i go to tournaments 'round the world i'm always ousted because of
stupid mistakes or because i keep trusting deceptive people (but this is my
own business ;) )
This thread is about one of the worst vampires in the game : Arika.
why worst ?
because you can be her prey.
because this vampire is grossly overpowered. You pay 11 pool for a vampire
that should cost 14.
because her special will screw most decks by pure luck. Creepshow + Hungry
coyote, bye bye...
because people play her as the Malkavian Inner Circle, since unlike Leandro
she has DOM/OBF.
because every round i play in a tournament, she's on the table. Boring.
because i want to actually burn her each time she plays obedience on my
Thetmes. (next time it'll be ur shulgi)
because she's minion tapped for 10 and then Queen Anne plays 5th tradition
cloaked in the labyrinth.
because other I.C. suck in comparrison.
because when Arika is around, there is no place for imagination. Obedience
and govern the unaligned all the way.
because Ventrue should not have an easy access to obfuscate ? Barring
Suhaila and her funky disciplines =)
because i love every other vampire except her. And Lambach. And Queen Ann.
And Meschenka. And Smudge. And all the bad vampires that ruin my tournaments
=)
reyda
trolling a bit ;)
The Tzimisce Lord
Archon Investigation....
> because Ventrue should not have an easy access to obfuscate ? Barring
> Suhaila and her funky disciplines =)
> because i love every other vampire except her.
Good
>And Lambach.
Hey NO! Lambach is GOOOOOD, not overpowered
> And Queen Ann.
> And Meschenka. And Smudge. And all the bad vampires that ruin my tournaments
>=)
:o)
>
> reyda
> trolling a bit ;)
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TzimisceLord
http://myvtes.free.fr
http://sabbatinfrance.free.fr
Neil Paananen
> This thread is about one of the worst vampires in the game : Arika.
Play with "Justicar Retribution!"
Burn all vampires with a current bleed of 3 or more . . .
Or "Fear of Mekhet."
Hopefully people will stop wanting to play with IC members if you keep
those in your deck.
Neil
Marko Saari
> This thread is about one of the worst vampires in the game : Arika.
Oust him with weenie bleeders before he can influence Arika out :D
- Guzmo
Santiago
wrote:
>because i love every other vampire except her. And Lambach. And Queen Ann.
>And Meschenka. And Smudge. And all the bad vampires that ruin my tournaments
Dude, that's like half my A-list of favorites, Lambach in
particular--he's just such a thug... >:)=
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"Ceci n'est pas un 'sig block'."
Henrik
>why worst ?
>because you can be her prey.
>because this vampire is grossly overpowered. You pay 11 pool for a vampire
>that should cost 14.
I've had Antoinette DuChamp burn Arika with a Justicar Retribution!
I've seen Nik with a celerity skillcard and a gun torporize Arika and Sutekh
(at capacity) in two turns.
Those two are the truly owerpowered vampires!!! Ban Nik and Antoinette!!
Antoinette is actually the BEST vampire in the game! 2 points of disciplines
for a 1-cap caitif, virtually free of disadvantage!!! She's the enemy, don't
pick on poor whiney-Arika!
/Henrik Isaksson
Orpheus
Sutekh
> (at capacity)
Did you mean "at full capacity" ?
> in two turns.
How the hell did he do that ???
Cameron
> why worst ?
> because you can be her prey.
> because this vampire is grossly overpowered. You pay 11 pool for a vampire
> that should cost 14.
Sigh... again with the hate for Arika. Oh well.
> because her special will screw most decks by pure luck. Creepshow + Hungry
> coyote, bye bye...
Or, you pays a pool and takes your chance.
> because people play her as the Malkavian Inner Circle, since unlike Leandro
> she has DOM/OBF.
Oh, so now you have something against Leandro??? He will ruin you
(coming soon to a deck near me).
> because every round i play in a tournament, she's on the table. Boring.
Actually I haven't seen her at all in February.
> because i want to actually burn her each time she plays obedience on my
> Thetmes. (next time it'll be ur shulgi)
lol. I live for the day I can PTO an Ur Shulgi. As for thetmes, I
challenge anyone out there to get him twice in one game (obediance,
PTO, more transfers, another PTO). (sorry dave)
> because she's minion tapped for 10 and then Queen Anne plays 5th tradition
> cloaked in the labyrinth.
Cause I can't do that with any other IC and Sheldon LOTC
> because other I.C. suck in comparrison.
ouch. that hurts Gwen very very much.
> because Ventrue should not have an easy access to obfuscate ? Barring
> Suhaila and her funky disciplines =)
Easy... easy!!! are you nuts? a 9 (Sue, who doesn't count as you
say), a 10 with inferior (Anne) and an 11 (Arika) and you say they
have easy access! Troll or not that's just silly.
> trolling a bit ;)
yeah, feels good to get it off your chest don't it?
Cameron
Henrik
Orpheus skrev i meddelandet ...
>> I've seen Nik with a celerity skillcard and a gun torporize Arika and
>Sutekh
>> (at capacity)
>
>Did you mean "at full capacity" ?
>
>> in two turns.
>
>How the hell did he do that ???
>
/Henrik Isaksson
X_Zealot
mother? Have you had any strange dreams lately? :P
But seriously, there is too much combat down here for a Arika deck to
survive. You know Obedience is great but it doesn't stop someone from
planting a Haven Uncovered on her and then rushing with every vampire.
Try weenie potence or weenie Thaumaturgy.
Comments Welcome,
Norman S. Brown, JR.
XZealot
Archon of the Swamp
Chris Berger
>
Yes.
I don't like her very much.
I think she stole my bike.
Dave Brereton
Cameron <orcao...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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My story line Ventrue deck was a sneak/bleed/vote deck using Arika, Queen
Anne, Roxanne, the Baron and other non-obfuscate Ventrue for support. 3 obf
skill cards went in and wham bam.... I was one of 3 Ventrue in the Final.
Mostly I got diflected but that's what spying missions are for. Gangrel and
Brujah do not like bleeds for 6 or 8 at 2 stealth (in case you didn't
already know). The Prince of Victoria will likley post his version of
events soon, but it was a funky tourney. All 3 Ventrue in the final had
contesting issues. In one game I brought out Arika when my Preditor had 10
blood on a Vampire. Guess who it was? Then I Governed down with Arkia to
bring out Sir Walter, who my Preditor was also influencing. So then I made
a deal to protect my Preditor as best I could while she influenced off Arika
and Sir Walter. I called a Protect thine Own to burn one Vamp of my
Preditor's Preditor and he had to turtle to defend against the Settites
sneak/bleeders. I ended with 4/5 vp's and a Game win.
Emmanuel Martin
She's the minion to who I owe my first regular victories. She's the
minion to who I owe the most won games. She is powerfull, but has no
access to traditions (my Arika is now, as you all notice, deflecting
the bleeding troll to Francois Villon).
Emmanuel
Reyda
"X_Zealot" <x_ze...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> That was very cathartic. Do you feel better?
yes =)
> How do you feel about your
> mother?
i miss her. Especially her delicious "gratin de lasagne".
> Have you had any strange dreams lately? :P
Yes. A masked guy bleed me for 8, then plays freak drive to burn my thetmes
with protect thine own.
> But seriously, there is too much combat down here for a Arika deck to
> survive.
you bet she can.
> You know Obedience is great but it doesn't stop someone from
> planting a Haven Uncovered on her and then rushing with every vampire.
Some deck have 15+ obedience, some majesty and some prevent just in case...
> Try weenie potence or weenie Thaumaturgy.
already tried =p
now the bitch will meet !salubri. Or Ur Shulgi. Or both.
> Comments Welcome,
> Norman S. Brown, JR.
> XZealot
> Archon of the Swamp
And when i've been finished with Arika, she will rest in a swamp too =)
Flux
>
> already tried =p
> now the bitch will meet !salubri. Or Ur Shulgi. Or both.
Given the recent storyline victories of the Ravnos, my first suggestion
would have to be stitching her up with a Sens Dep, or even asking Pentex
to subvert her... at the very least it should keep her off your back for a
while.
Derange+Sacrifice/PTO could work too, see her taste a bit of her own
poison. :-)
Flux
Halcyan 2
>poison. :-)
>
Sacrifice doesn't work, unless she's had quite a few run-ins with Violet
Tremain and/or has (Mind of a Child) ^ 5.
Derange + PTO could work, but a Dementation IC deck might have a few too many
moving parts.
How about Hostile Takeover or Temptation of Greater Power, followed by Minion
Tap (and maybe eventually Golconda). Then the Arika player can see what it's
like to be on the receiving end of Arika!
Or a Lasombra deck that torporizes with Entombment (may need a Thoughts
Betrayed) and then Graverobs her?
Play with !Malks and just mess her up with Haunts, Deranges, Lunatics, and Mind
of a Childs. Have the Baali play their Condemnations on her. Or just have the
FoS use Temptations and/or Form of Corruption.
All of these should keep that b*tch in her place! (Show her who's in charge!!!)
=P
Halcyan 2
Brian
> minion to who I owe the most won games. She is powerfull, but has no
> access to traditions
Exactly! Untap and +2 intercept in the same card is awesome. Arika
may have 15+ obediences, but doesn't she have to either remain
untapped or catch you to use them? And if she can't catch you, then
that's it's own drawback.
Then there's the traditional fattie problem: Weenie bleed or anarch
revolt can often oust her controller before she's in play, too.
Potence with Torn Signpost, Blur, and 2 IG's in hand will usually
crush her, creating a 0-return on a 3-turn investment.
I agree she's easily the most powerful IC member, but she has her
limitations.
Xian
"Brian" <firstco...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Exactly! Untap and +2 intercept in the same card is awesome. Arika
> may have 15+ obediences, but doesn't she have to either remain
> untapped or catch you to use them? And if she can't catch you, then
> that's it's own drawback.
No, she just has to be able to play reaction cards. Which is either
untapped, or Waked/Forced Awake.
> Then there's the traditional fattie problem: Weenie bleed or anarch
> revolt can often oust her controller before she's in play, too.
> Potence with Torn Signpost, Blur, and 2 IG's in hand will usually
> crush her, creating a 0-return on a 3-turn investment.
Fists of Death, Torn Signpost, IG, Blur. Add Disarm/Decaptitate to taste.
Xian
Reyda
"X_Zealot" <x_ze...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> mother? Have you had any strange dreams lately? :P
I made another dream tonight !!
Arika costed 2 pool and was not unique !! Unfortunately my predator did not
forget to pay one blood from walter nash to untap each Arika and bled me to
death on the 4 turn.
Shaun McIsaac
> This thread is about one of the worst vampires in the game : Arika.
> why worst ?
> because you can be her prey.
> because this vampire is grossly overpowered. You pay 11 pool for a vampire
> that should cost 14.
Erm, no.
> because her special will screw most decks by pure luck. Creepshow + Hungry
> coyote, bye bye...
In general Arika teams up with princes. Princes mean second trads,
and second trads means 2 intercept -- so the +1 on that undirected
action, unless it was movement of the slow body, probably isn't really
a big deal. And if you were voting with it, they probably didn't need
to block due to Arika's votes.
What ends up being important is that she blows away intercept
locations and hunting grounds.
> because people play her as the Malkavian Inner Circle, since unlike Leandro
> she has DOM/OBF.
If you want to split hairs, Etrius is a better fit as a Malk (AUS,
kooky special).
> because she's minion tapped for 10 and then Queen Anne plays 5th tradition
> cloaked in the labyrinth.
> because other I.C. suck in comparrison.
I'm not sure they quite exactly suck, though she is better. I'm
beginning to see Stanislava being a better voter in many metagames,
surprisingly enough. If your prey doesn't have locations and you
aren't voter capping, Etrius is almost always just as good.
> because when Arika is around, there is no place for imagination. Obedience
> and govern the unaligned all the way.
As mentioned before, this is very risky once ppl. figure out AI. Even
if you've minion tapped, you lose a pile of transfers. to say nothing
of deflecting..
> because Ventrue should not have an easy access to obfuscate ? Barring
> Suhaila and her funky disciplines =)
THERES THREE OF THEM. A 9, a 10 with inferior, and a 11... that's not
easy!
> because i love every other vampire except her. And Lambach. And Queen Ann.
> And Meschenka. And Smudge. And all the bad vampires that ruin my tournaments
> =)
Hrm.. well I'll give you Lambach as a "ruin my day" vampire; barring
PTO, Arika has a hard time really ruining much (except vote decks).
She just hurts you. Lambach on the other hand stops you from doing
anything, then sticks 2 aggravated hand damage in your face, plus
anything else he plays from his hand. Even if he isn't packing
Rotschreck, your options for survival are somewhat limited. Somewhere
between DotB, Carrion Crows, and blood of acid, fortitude becomes
mostly useless, as does manuevers. If you're packing S:CE and he's
blocking, he can just wait for you to run out of Majesties. He's
mean, but not without counters.
Reyda
"Shaun McIsaac" <smci...@onesourcecorp.com> wrote in message
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(snip)
> > because her special will screw most decks by pure luck. Creepshow +
Hungry
> > coyote, bye bye...
>
> In general Arika teams up with princes. Princes mean second trads,
> and second trads means 2 intercept -- so the +1 on that undirected
> action, unless it was movement of the slow body, probably isn't really
> a big deal. And if you were voting with it, they probably didn't need
> to block due to Arika's votes.
i know =p i was just referring randomly to some important locations you try
to use each turn.
> What ends up being important is that she blows away intercept
> locations and hunting grounds.
This is the point =)
Ever had your Club zombie burned on turn 3 by an IC climbing from the valley
? ;)
> > because people play her as the Malkavian Inner Circle, since unlike
Leandro
> > she has DOM/OBF.
>
> If you want to split hairs, Etrius is a better fit as a Malk (AUS,
> kooky special).
true =) but Arika's special isn't worthless ;)
> > because she's minion tapped for 10 and then Queen Anne plays 5th
tradition
> > cloaked in the labyrinth.
> > because other I.C. suck in comparrison.
>
> I'm not sure they quite exactly suck, though she is better. I'm
> beginning to see Stanislava being a better voter in many metagames,
> surprisingly enough. If your prey doesn't have locations and you
> aren't voter capping, Etrius is almost always just as good.
screwing intercept locations, or vote granting locations (like powbas madrid
and opponent's ventrue hq) makes your day easier. And since you'll vote, why
not throw in some Minion Tap / Voter to gain some extra pool in the process
? =)
> > because when Arika is around, there is no place for imagination.
Obedience
> > and govern the unaligned all the way.
>
> As mentioned before, this is very risky once ppl. figure out AI. Even
> if you've minion tapped, you lose a pile of transfers. to say nothing
> of deflecting..
No problem =) just play Govern on smaller vampires, so all your crypt comes
out for a bargain.
> > because Ventrue should not have an easy access to obfuscate ? Barring
> > Suhaila and her funky disciplines =)
>
> THERES THREE OF THEM. A 9, a 10 with inferior, and a 11... that's not
> easy!
Ventrue princes with obfuscate, that's scary. The only thing that prevent
them from ruling the world is their weakness to intercept. Remove the
weakness and voila !
Arika is also a specialist of cloak the gathering for here f(r)iend's
votes...
> > because i love every other vampire except her. And Lambach. And Queen
Ann.
> > And Meschenka. And Smudge. And all the bad vampires that ruin my
tournaments
> > =)
>
> Hrm.. well I'll give you Lambach as a "ruin my day" vampire; barring
> PTO, Arika has a hard time really ruining much (except vote decks).
> She just hurts you. Lambach on the other hand stops you from doing
> anything, then sticks 2 aggravated hand damage in your face, plus
> anything else he plays from his hand. Even if he isn't packing
> Rotschreck, your options for survival are somewhat limited.
don't forget Kiss of Ra, my friend =) the best way to send a Tzimisce back
to his ancestors. I can't count how many Lambach and Dragos made a quick
exit at the expense of a 2 cap (samson or rufina) waiting in the shadow...
> Somewhere
> between DotB, Carrion Crows, and blood of acid, fortitude becomes
> mostly useless, as does manuevers. If you're packing S:CE and he's
> blocking, he can just wait for you to run out of Majesties. He's
> mean, but not without counters.
Yes. You oughtta pack loads of combat ends. Else just dare the dawn to call
a vote to switch places, and put the tzimisce far, far away =)
reyda
Cameron
> moving parts.
Yes.. er
No it wouldn't. Do'h! I've given away my horriable secret.
lalalalala umm... go away nothing to see here.
> How about Hostile Takeover or Temptation of Greater Power, followed by Minion
> Tap (and maybe eventually Golconda). Then the Arika player can see what it's
> like to be on the receiving end of Arika!
mmm... no. Cause an Arika deck will pay to keep her.
> Or a Lasombra deck that torporizes with Entombment (may need a Thoughts
> Betrayed) and then Graverobs her?
Ahh.. entombment graverobbing, but don't forget political struggle in the mean time.
> All of these should keep that b*tch in her place! (Show her who's in charge!!!)
So when are you next coming to madison... we'll see who gets put in a place.
Cameron
Shaun McIsaac
> "Shaun McIsaac" <smci...@onesourcecorp.com> wrote in message
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> (snip)
> > > because other I.C. suck in comparrison.
> > I'm not sure they quite exactly suck, though she is better. I'm
> > beginning to see Stanislava being a better voter in many metagames,
> > surprisingly enough. If your prey doesn't have locations and you
> > aren't voter capping, Etrius is almost always just as good.
> screwing intercept locations, or vote granting locations (like powbas madrid
> and opponent's ventrue hq) makes your day easier. And since you'll vote, why
> not throw in some Minion Tap / Voter to gain some extra pool in the process
> ? =)
Stanislava and friends can simply ride beasts all day for unblockable
votes. When you prey has Lambach + Raven Spy x2, this is a big deal.
> > > because when Arika is around, there is no place for imagination.
> > > Obedience and govern the unaligned all the way.
> > As mentioned before, this is very risky once ppl. figure out AI. Even
> > if you've minion tapped, you lose a pile of transfers. to say nothing
> > of deflecting..
> No problem =) just play Govern on smaller vampires, so all your crypt comes
> out for a bargain.
I do, but it still hurts if they happen to get hit by it.
> > Hrm.. well I'll give you Lambach as a "ruin my day" vampire; barring
> > PTO, Arika has a hard time really ruining much (except vote decks).
> > She just hurts you. Lambach on the other hand stops you from doing
> > anything, then sticks 2 aggravated hand damage in your face, plus
> > anything else he plays from his hand. Even if he isn't packing
> > Rotschreck, your options for survival are somewhat limited.
> don't forget Kiss of Ra, my friend =) the best way to send a Tzimisce back
> to his ancestors. I can't count how many Lambach and Dragos made a quick
> exit at the expense of a 2 cap (samson or rufina) waiting in the shadow...
Kiss of Ra is crap; if you want to take care of one particular
blocker, Pentex is a *lot* better. Sure, it'll take care of the
fiends, but it does nothing against so much else, and it cost a pile.
> > Somewhere
> > between DotB, Carrion Crows, and blood of acid, fortitude becomes
> > mostly useless, as does manuevers. If you're packing S:CE and he's
> > blocking, he can just wait for you to run out of Majesties. He's
> > mean, but not without counters.
> Yes. You oughtta pack loads of combat ends.
He can just wait for you to run out of Majesties.. exactly how many
were you going to pack, without them being dead draws.
kuquami
> =P
Salubris can deal with this kind of person easily.
Spirit Marionnette... And let her bleed while Daring the Dawn.
Diablerize her afterwards.
Or empty her with Heidelberg and burn her by making her bleed with a
Conditioning and a Daring the Dawn. Die, Fortitude-user !
(The conditioning can of course be used by the !Ventrue you're mixing
the Salubris with. And if you're playing with Spirit Marionnette,
you'll need Heidelberg and Daring the Dawn anyway)
Pierre
Orpheus
>
> Spirit Marionnette... And let her bleed while Daring the Dawn.
> Diablerize her afterwards.
>
> Or empty her with Heidelberg and burn her by making her bleed with a
> Conditioning and a Daring the Dawn. Die, Fortitude-user !
>
> (The conditioning can of course be used by the !Ventrue you're mixing
> the Salubris with. And if you're playing with Spirit Marionnette,
> you'll need Heidelberg and Daring the Dawn anyway)
And if you're playing Salubri with Harbingers / Giovanni (Unre, Regina...),
just Daemonic Possession her !!!!