NEW YORK CITY QUALIFIER REPORT
adam....@gmail.com
qualifier!
Thanks to everyone who made it! It was really cool to see everyone and
even though I didn't get to play, I was getting ousted by Ruben
Feldman in spirit as well!
I took some notes so lets see what I can say.
Here is a list of all of the players / deck types / score:
(Excuse the lack of info since I had to do this by hand.)
Ruben Feldman - pre dom Ventrue group 2 - 13 VP 3 GW
Shawn Stanley - Cam group 4 vote starring Lutz - 8 VP 2 GW
Matt Hirsch - pot for anarch starring gp 2 Blood brother - 7 VP 2 GW
Jevon Green - Lasombra Bleed - 5.5 VP 1 GW
Ray Ramos - Brujah Grenade - 5 VP 1 GW
Deirdre Burke - Dem Bleed group 3/4 - 4.5 VP 1 GW
Cory Seigel - obf pre aus starring Raphel - 4 VP 1 GW
Jesse Cross-Nickerson - Venti Antitribu starring Elimelich - 4VP 1 GW
Peter Oh - Group 4 brujah - 4 VP 1 GW
Peter Bakija - Black Hand obf = 4 VP 1 GW
Drace Zhan - Tzimice Toolbox - 3VP 1 GW
John Sileo - Tzimice Wall Combat - 5.5 VP 1 GW
Ben Peal - Valerius thaulm - 5.5 VP 0 GW
Tery Morita - Nos group 3/4 - 3.5 VP 0 GW
Sonam Adinolf - Gio Bruise Bleed - 3.5 VP 0 GW
Gary Kwan - Dem Bleed - 3 VP 0 GW
John Whelan - Lucreita multi act with Enkil Cog - 2.5 VP 0 GW
Matt Heslin - Brujah Anti Group 2/3 - 2 VP 0 GW
Nick Watkins - Malk anti toolbox group 2 - 2VP 0 GW
Will Bishop - Venti Antitribu starring Elimelich - 1 VP 0 GW
Mike Aherm - weenie malk equipment - 0.5 VP 0 GW
Adam Esbjornssom (visiting from Sweden!) - PRE vote Group 4 - 0 VP 0
GW
Wayne Chin - Harbingers - 0 VP 0 GW
Matt Morgan - Osebo - 0 VP 0 GW
Steve Wampler - Tremere Anti Group 4 - 0 VP 0 GW
Ben Kalb - IC vote with Orlando - 0 VP 0 GW
Justin Luper - Pot Nost Anti - 0 VP 0 GW
Andrew Ahern - Enkidu / agg / decapitate - 0 VP 0 GW
Jen Goldberg - Setite Bleed group 4 - 0 VP 0 GW
Peter Kapsalis - Ghurri Vote - 0 VP 0 GW
Lev - Baron Soul gem - 0 VP 0 GW
Finals:
Ray Ramos - Brujah Grenade (preying on)
Shawn Stanley - Cam group 4 vote starring Lutz (preying on)
Ruben Feldman - pre dom Ventrue group 2 (preying on)
Jevon Green - Lasombra Bleed (preying on)
Matt Hirsch - pot for anarch starring gp 2 Blood brother (preying on)
I didn't follow the game too closely, perhaps someone can give some
insight? But I believe that Jevon then Matt were the first two to go
somewhat quickly. Then Ray folded due to a Anarch Troublemaker +
Pentex + mind numb / majesty.Shawn fell after that.
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Congrats to Ruben Feldman for the outstanding victory. He was a very
good sport about it, and he took my ribbing that if I was playing this
amazing sweep would have never of happened! Congrats again!
Here is his deck list.
Author: Ruben Feldman
Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 15, Max: 25, Avg: 5)
-------------------------------------------
1 Pieter van Dorn dom pre tha 4 Tremere
1 Gracis Nostinus aus for DOM PRE 7 Ventrue
3 Edward Vignes for DOM PRE 6 Ventrue
1 Diana Vick dom pre 3 Ventrue
1 Elena Gutierrez aus dom pre 4 Ventrue
2 Ranjan Rishi for DOM PRE 5 Ventrue
1 Boss Callihan dom for pro PRE 5 Ventrue
1 Catherine du Bois for obf pre DOM 5 Ventrue
1 Ingrid Russo for DOM 4 Ventrue
Antitribu
Library: (70 cards)
-------------------
Master (12 cards)
5 Blood Doll
1 Giant`s Blood
2 Pentex Subversion
2 Anarch Troublemaker
1 Jake Washington (Hunter)
1 Coven, The
Action (20 cards)
11 Govern the Unaligned
5 Mind Numb
4 Entrancement
Action Modifier (20 cards)
3 Daring the Dawn
4 Bonding
2 Foreshadowing Destruction
7 Conditioning
4 Seduction
Reaction (10 cards)
3 Delaying Tactics
7 Deflection
Combat (8 cards)
8 Majesty
Okay that's all I got for the moment! Hope everyone had a good time!
Adam Hulse
Baron of New York
Oko
wrote:
> Reaction (10 cards)
> 3 Delaying Tactics
> 7 Deflection
>
What? Only seven deflections?!
Who was this person playing, and what has he done to Ruben?
cthulukitty
> Well it was good fun for all as a full 31 players showed up for the
> qualifier!
> Thanks to everyone who made it! It was really cool to see everyone and
> even though I didn't get to play, I was getting ousted by Ruben
> Feldman in spirit as well!
It was fun for sure. It was sort of frustrating watching everyone bend
over backwards to let Ruben get every possible VP, but sometimes I
guess you just gotta be nice to the new guy.
> I took some notes so lets see what I can say.
> Here is a list of all of the players / deck types / score:
> (Excuse the lack of info since I had to do this by hand.)
Wow. These are some very complete notes, even if you did make some
minor deck identification errors.
> Ruben Feldman - pre dom Ventrue group 2 - 13 VP 3 GW
This is the classic Edward Vignes deck that has already appeared in
the TWDA, perhaps multiple times. I don't know whether or not any
modifications were made to it before this tournament.
> Shawn Stanley - Cam group 4 vote starring Lutz - 8 VP 2 GW
> Matt Hirsch - pot for anarch starring gp 2 Blood brother - 7 VP 2 GW
> Jevon Green - Lasombra Bleed - 5.5 VP 1 GW
> Ray Ramos - Brujah Grenade - 5 VP 1 GW
Man there are some weird decks that made it to the final table. That
qualifier featured some of the most bizarro VTES I have ever
witnessed, including the fact that I got backousted while contesting
Elimelech with my predator, while my prey watched Ruben (his prey)
sweep the table.
> Deirdre Burke - Dem Bleed group 3/4 - 4.5 VP 1 GW
Deirdre was playing the group 2/3 bleeders.
> Jesse Cross-Nickerson - Venti Antitribu starring Elimelich - 4VP 1 GW
My deck had a few off clan Black Hand vampires, but none of them ever
came out during the qualifier.
> Peter Bakija - Black Hand obf = 4 VP 1 GW
Imitator!
> Justin Luper - Pot Nost Anti - 0 VP 0 GW
That's Justin Looper. He was playing a deck I built and that we have
both been working on called the Facebook Stalker. It feature Casino
Reeds in a leading role, backed up by guys with POT.
I'm going to white-wolf.com right after this post to enter those two
new players for you. Thanks for running the event.
Jesse
frubeng
Round 1:
Jen (sethite breed S&B) -> Scott (?) (!Tremere Uta toolbox) -> Peter
(Brujah vote) -> me
Jen started relatively aggressive and breeding well. Her prey drew no
intercept the whole game. My predator did nothing the first hour,
allowing me oust my prey before she did hers. The tremere still had no
intercept and so was easily ousted after that.
The final dual agains peter was quite tough after he did some 15 pool
damage on me with KRCs and parity shifts, but the Ventrue prevailed.
Round 2:
Matt Morgan (osebo midcap wall) -> some cool guy with broken
sunglasses (weenie auspex malkavian with madness network) -> some
young guy (casino reeds toolbox) -> me
Seeing the decks come out, I thought I would get zero on this table.
My predator was very slow to start, he drew no acceleration and
brought out a 5-cap before casino reeds. I passed an early bleed on
Matt, while I was trying to govern at superior. Two turns later I
decided to try Matt’s hand for his reactions, but he had none and so
ousted him. The weenie auspex had received much resistance from Matt
and his prey, having a vampire torpored and rescued every turn. He
also nearly ousted himself bringing out equipments!
It took me a while to oust him, but he had jammed on intercept. The
dual was then alright having gained so much pool and outnumbering my
new prey’s 2 minions.
Round 3:
Tscimisce Wall ->Will ( Elimelech multi-coma) -> Jesse (elimech and
other !ventrue +BH) -> Andrew( !Nosfe rush) -> me
Jesse and my pred had a quarrel. I was pretty screwed by my prey
considering his deck. My small prey put heavy pressure on Jesse, and
so he decided to contest Elimelech ( I think a few turns too late). I
tried to pass a few actions against my prey and ended up ousting him
since he choked on master cards.
2 turns later I killed my two next preys in the same turn so that
Elimelech would not hit the table. The dual was ok considering the
pool gain I had received. Turns out my predator put very little
pressure on me because he could. His deck was based on vampires with
in-built rushes, which he didn’t draw (should have paid to see)
Final: with 3gw 13, I was last to sit, but I didn’t know anyone’s deck
and so it didn’t help!
I lost 4 pool on the second turn on a con. ag. I got pretty worried
that this would continue, but the damage I took was much slower
afterwards. My prey was relatively aggressive, and Matt wanted to
destroy his path but got blocked. I saw this as an opportunity and
ousted my prey. I ousted Matt the next turn after my pred put a
meddling of the semsith on me. Ousting Matt burned one of my vampires,
and put two others in torpor. Ending my run with one card in my hand,
I ousted Matt.
My next prey had 3 allies and about 5 vampires. He was swarming my
pred. I used my large amount of pool to influence, but Shawn was
getting seriously damaged b my lack of pressure. I finally drew into
my entrancements and managed to steal one ally and kill another in
combat (!). I had two more entrancements but didn’t need them in the
end since my prey influenced on one vampires too many and I was able
to oust him with two bleeds.
The final dual took three turns, where I stole carlton and had it
stolen back, and had to influence on more vampires to compensate for
the burned and torpored ones. I ousted Shawn after he put up a good
fight and did a lot of pool damage.
Result: 4GW 18VP
Very happy about the result, I guess I couldn’t have done much better.
The event was very fun, and it seemed everyone enjoyed it. Great turn
out. Thanks to Adam for organizing it (and for bringing me back to
earth by ousting me in the friendly game after!)
pallando
wrote:
> Matt Hirsch - pot for anarch starring gp 2 Blood brother - 7 VP 2 GW
It would be very nice to see the deck list for this deck. Could anyone
please post it?
Kind regards,
pallando
Peter D Bakija
wrote:
> Steve Wampler - Tremere Anti Group 4 - 0 VP 0 GW
Steve actually got 2VP in game 3 where he split the 4 way game 2/2
with Whelan.
-Peter
Peter D Bakija
> > Peter Bakija - Black Hand obf = 4 VP 1 GW
>
> Imitator!
Bah! I've been playing this deck for months and months now, smarty
pants. If I was cribbing off of you, I'd have stolen good tech ideas,
like using Seraphs and Heidelburg, instead of, ya know, not. So there!
-Peter
Peter D Bakija
> Result: 4GW 18VP
Holy crap. So that is literally every VP in every game you played in
(as there were 2x4 player games). How the heck does that even happen?
I mean, I read the game reports, but, wow.
-Peter
pallando
to quote cthulukitty:
"It was sort of frustrating watching everyone bend over backwards to
let Ruben get every possible VP, but sometimes I guess you just gotta
be nice to the new guy."
There you have the reason :-)
Kind regards,
pallando
Curevei
With nine other acknowledged wins, three in tournaments with 50+
players (two 100+), I think it's called skillz.
Peter D Bakija
> With nine other acknowledged wins, three in tournaments with 50+
> players (two 100+), I think it's called skillz.
Well, clearly, that is a significant issue. But in 4 games, not a
single other person could manage to get a single VP? I mean, it isn't
like Rueben's deck is all Eagle's Sight and Life Boon or anything. I'm
not even remotely trying to imply that this was something other than
just a perfect set of circumstances and extreme luck, but how does
that even happen that not a single other person in a single other game
was capable of ousting their prey even once?
-Peter
the HZA
> > Steve Wampler - Tremere Anti Group 4 - 0 VP 0 GW
>
> Steve actually got 2VP in game 3 where he split the 4 way game 2/2
> with Whelan.
I was at that table, and I'm listed as having earned 2 VP -- I instead
was the vice-chair of the Triple Zero Club and originator of our new
gang sign. Must have misreported the 2 VP as mine instead of Steve's.
--0-0-0 4 life,
heslin
Anthony Coleman
I think if you look at the number of events played over the last 12 or
whatever years its odd that it has not happened already - its not
*that* unlikely, especially when you factor in that Ruben is a good
playing a good deck he is very familiar with.
Humans are bad at intuitively guessing probability etc, look at how
many people bang on about synchronicity, bad shuffles etc - its just
right that sometimes the long odds result happens.
Anthony
frubeng
Well the most important for that are good timing and key cross table
interventions...
I had never achieved this before but i beleive i did win three
tournaments where I missed only 1 VP
PS: Eagle sights in your deck decrease your chances of sweep :p
cthulukitty
> Well, clearly, that is a significant issue. But in 4 games, not a
> single other person could manage to get a single VP? I mean, it isn't
> like Rueben's deck is all Eagle's Sight and Life Boon or anything. I'm
> not even remotely trying to imply that this was something other than
> just a perfect set of circumstances and extreme luck, but how does
> that even happen that not a single other person in a single other game
> was capable of ousting their prey even once?
I think the quality of the playing field was a little uneven. I'll
pretend that I was one of the good players in attendence, and I was
playing a not-super-awesome Elimelech deck (that somehow managed to
contest its star!). Matt Morgan was playing Osebo. Matt Hirsch somehow
won 2 games with for/pot anarchs. Ben Peal looked like he had a thing
going on, but it sounds like he got randomly screwed cross table in a
critical game. There were a number of brand new players, some players
who had been out of the game for years and didn't know the rules, and
the New York crowd, which is really really fond of interesting yet
dubious deck technology. When I say it felt like Bizarro VTES I really
do mean it.
So Ruben was pretty much the only good player playing a strong,
ousting focussed deck, and everyone basically stood in line waiting to
get ousted, or else struggled furiously against crippling upstream or
cross table harassment. Hopefully, we all learned better and won't let
that happen again. Come on guys, the Swiss can't have *all* of our
VPs.
Jesse
Champion and Defender of America
librarian
Not only last place, but no last name either...
best -
chris
librarian
Ummmm, you can't get 0 table points if you play.
Maybe 0-0-36 (fewest number of table points possible in a 3 round
tourney...)?
best -
chris
Peter D Bakija
> Well the most important for that are good timing and key cross table
> interventions...
But, but, but...the deck doesn't even have DI in it.
-Peter
The Lasombra
wrote:
>Well it was good fun for all as a full 31 players showed up for the
>qualifier!
>Thanks to everyone who made it! It was really cool to see everyone and
>even though I didn't get to play, I was getting ousted by Ruben
>Feldman in spirit as well!
Congratulations to Ruben...
This doesn't appear in the White Wolf event list.
How will Ruben ever get the credit he deserves for this amazing
performance?
adam....@gmail.com
> On Mon, 13 July 2009 20:47:57 -0700 (PDT), "adam.hu...@gmail.com"
I put it in there! And I know that oscar new about it!
Raintar
I had 4.5 VP 1GW otherwise I would've qualified for the finals with
5.5/1 lol. I had VP's by round: 3/.5/1
"
It would be very nice to see the deck list for this deck. Could anyone
please post it?
Kind regards, pallando "
He played pot/fortitude anarchs used Diversion for preventions and Lam
Into with Weighted Walking Sticks. He used Atonement (and that's about
it) for intercept and Club Illusion and Anarch cards for bleed. He's
the only one from the finals table that I played with in the
tournament at all :(.
It was a fun tournament I got to meet alot of cool people some of
which I've seen their names on the TWD and seen them on the old white
wolf forums lol.
the HZA
> > I was at that table, and I'm listed as having earned 2 VP -- I instead
> > was the vice-chair of the Triple Zero Club and originator of our new
> > gang sign. Must have misreported the 2 VP as mine instead of Steve's.
>
> > --0-0-0 4 life,
> > heslin
>
> Ummmm, you can't get 0 table points if you play.
>
> Maybe 0-0-36 (fewest number of table points possible in a 3 round
> tourney...)?
Chris must not be a member of the Triple Zero Club. The
Triple Zero Club refers to VPs, as suggested by the content
of my post. In rounds 1, 2 and 3, I earned 0, 0 and 0 VPs.
We look forward to your application, sir. We have a new
gang sign for you.
--heslin
the HZA
> So Ruben was pretty much the only good player playing a strong,
> ousting focussed deck, and everyone basically stood in line waiting to
> get ousted, or else struggled furiously against crippling upstream or
> cross table harassment. Hopefully, we all learned better and won't let
> that happen again. Come on guys, the Swiss can't have *all* of our
> VPs.
>
> Jesse
> Champion and Defender of America
Well, next time, Jesse, try to fail a little bit less. : )
--jeez, this is the guy we elected champ? I didn't vote for him.
heslin
Peter D Bakija
> I think the quality of the playing field was a little uneven.
Even then. Like, if you have a 5 player game where there is one A+
player and then four C- players, it is *still* likely that one of them
will stumble into a VP before the A+ player can kill everyone.
Especially given the reality that the deck in question that swept 4
tables in a row isn't particularly fast (mid cap Ventrue Tap-N-Bleed
without a huge amount of bloat) and is at least slightly vulnerable to
your prey walling up (which makes his grand prey go forward faster).
That 2 of the 4 games were four player games certainly helps the
possibility of "I get every VP possible all day". But man.
> When I say it felt like Bizarro VTES I really do mean it.
Heh--I dunno. My three games seemed pretty standard. One had 3 stealth
bleedzooka decks; One had a rush deck, two pretty standard vote decks,
and two stealthy bleedy decks; my 4 player was kind of weird, but only
'cause it was two stealthy bleedy decks sitting between a fighty
endless intercept wall and a rush deck (which is how Matt won two
games with a pot/for Anarch deck :-)
> So Ruben was pretty much the only good player playing a strong,
> ousting focussed deck, and everyone basically stood in line waiting to
> get ousted,
Yeah, see, that is all I can imagine. But that wasn't what I saw in
the games I played. But then, I wasn't in any games with Ruben,
either :-)
-Peter
orianice
Godzilla does not miss one single kid if he walks through the
elementary school... ^^
Kevin M.
Orian,
You need to make this into a VTES tshirt and sell it. :)
Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas
"Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles
you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War*
"Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier
Please visit VTESville daily! http://vtesville.myminicity.com/
Peter D Bakija
> Godzilla does not miss one single kid if he walks through the
> elementary school... ^^
I dunno, man. There always seem to be those guys in yellow jumpsuits
running in the other direction who make it...
-Peter
librarian
Card carrying member (west coast)
best -
chris o~O*?o
frubeng
DI is overrated. Mind numb is underrated.
And i was doing my victims a favor by sweeping, by maximizing their
table points ;)
stanles
wrote:
> Well it was good fun for all as a full 31 players showed up for the
> qualifier!
> Thanks to everyone who made it! It was really cool to see everyone and
> even though I didn't get to play, I was getting ousted by Ruben
> Feldman in spirit as well!
>
> Here is a list of all of the players / deck types / score:
> (Excuse the lack of info since I had to do this by hand.)
>
> Ruben Feldman - pre dom Ventrue group 2 - 13 VP 3 GW
> Shawn Stanley - Cam group 4 vote starring Lutz - 8 VP 2 GW
well group 3-4, Cam Sabbat, but yeahyou get the idea
Thanks Adam, it was a good tournament.
stanles
> > Well it was good fun for all as a full 31 players showed up for the
> > qualifier!
> > Thanks to everyone who made it! It was really cool to see everyone and
> > even though I didn't get to play, I was getting ousted by Ruben
> > Feldman in spirit as well!
>
> over backwards to let Ruben get every possible VP, but sometimes I
> guess you just gotta be nice to the new guy.
well I don't know if that is a fair comment. Admittedly my deck
wasn't cycling too well in that game, but I don't think I was bending
over backwards to let my prey get the VP - well apart from the fact
that I didn't tap out every turn and die to my predator ...
stanles
I for one am glad that Matt did well, with a deck that you mike think
as coming more from Bizarro VtES - a bit of variation, and a deck
which obviously got VPs, brilliant. The two games I played with him,
the deck didn't do so well, but it's good to see that it could do so
in other circumstances.
Sometimes when somebody has a deck like Ruben did it probably requires
a bit of cooperation to take it down. I guess that just never happened
on the day.