LSJ: Faceless night
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LSJ
> Can you clarifiy the stuff about faceless night and deflection?
> Two many versions.
Sure. What stuff?
A vampire whose block is thwarted by superior FN can still play
reaction cards (like Enhanced Senses or Deleflection).
Anything else?
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Ramsteiner
not tapped if a superior Faceless Night had been played until the
action is concluded?
The card seems to allude to an untapped minion who attempts to block is
tapped once the block attempt fails or succeeds. Thus denying the
attempting blocker the recourse of playing any other reaction cards
(i.e. Deflection/Telepathic Misdirection/etc.) if the attempt failed,
unless they had a WwEF or FA.
Now if the minion who attempts to block is already tapped and plays a
WwEF/FA, is not really affected by the Faceless Night superior effect
of tapping if the block attempt fails or not as they already are tapped
and could play other reaction cards (i.e. Deflection/Telepathic
Misdirection/etc.).
Michael Eichler
Prince of Ramstein
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hamd...@my-deja.com
LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> take...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > Can you clarifiy the stuff about faceless night and deflection?
> > Two many versions.
>
> Sure. What stuff?
> A vampire whose block is thwarted by superior FN can still play
> reaction cards (like Enhanced Senses or Deleflection).
> Anything else?
Does the superior of FN cancel out the superior of Deflection - ie do
you tap the vampire after playing the card?
Might have come up in a few posts lately, but I must have missed them.
DH
LSJ
> LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> > take...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > Can you clarifiy the stuff about faceless night and deflection?
> > > Two many versions.
> >
> > Sure. What stuff?
> > A vampire whose block is thwarted by superior FN can still play
> > reaction cards (like Enhanced Senses or Deleflection).
> > Anything else?
> >
> not tapped if a superior Faceless Night had been played until the
> action is concluded?
No, he'd be tapped as soon as he played Deflection, since playing
Deflection implies that the Methuselah is not blocking.
> The card seems to allude to an untapped minion who attempts to block
is
> tapped once the block attempt fails or succeeds.
Not the attempt - he won't be tapped until his controller decides to
make no more attempts (or the action resolves).
> Now if the minion who attempts to block is already tapped and plays a
> WwEF/FA, is not really affected by the Faceless Night superior effect
> of tapping if the block attempt fails or not as they already are
> tapped and could play other reaction cards (i.e. Deflection/Telepathic
> Misdirection/etc.).
Correct.
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LSJ
> Does the superior of FN cancel out the superior of Deflection - ie do
> you tap the vampire after playing the card?
Faceless Night will tap him after he plays Deflection, yes.
Ramsteiner
LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> Ramsteiner <ramst...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> > > take...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > > Can you clarifiy the stuff about faceless night and deflection?
> > > > Two many versions.
> > >
> > > Sure. What stuff?
> > > A vampire whose block is thwarted by superior FN can still play
> > > reaction cards (like Enhanced Senses or Deleflection).
> > > Anything else?
> > >
> > So what you are saying is a minion who attempts to block and fails
is
> > not tapped if a superior Faceless Night had been played until the
> > action is concluded?
>
> No, he'd be tapped as soon as he played Deflection, since playing
> Deflection implies that the Methuselah is not blocking.
>
> > The card seems to allude to an untapped minion who attempts to block
> is
> > tapped once the block attempt fails or succeeds.
>
> Not the attempt - he won't be tapped until his controller decides to
> make no more attempts (or the action resolves).
>
declares a block attempt with an Untapped minion (who still remains
untapped), Minion 1 can not play stealth to continue the action. If
Minion 1 plays Faceless Night at superior thereby getting around Minion
2's block attempt. At this point, is Minion 2 still untapped and able
to play additional reaction cards (i.e. Deflection, Telepathic Counter,
Telepathic Misdirection) or is Minion 2 tapped and if it still wants to
play additional reaction cards must use a WwEF or FA to play them?
Michael Eichler
Prince of Ramstein
> > Now if the minion who attempts to block is already tapped and plays
a
> > WwEF/FA, is not really affected by the Faceless Night superior
effect
> > of tapping if the block attempt fails or not as they already are
> > tapped and could play other reaction cards (i.e.
Deflection/Telepathic
> > Misdirection/etc.).
>
> Correct.
>
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hamd...@my-deja.com
LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> hamd...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > Does the superior of FN cancel out the superior of Deflection - ie
do
> > you tap the vampire after playing the card?
>
> Faceless Night will tap him after he plays Deflection, yes.
What about Cats Guidance after a FN (assuming a succesful block)?
DH
LSJ
> LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> > Ramsteiner <ramst...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> > > > A vampire whose block is thwarted by superior FN can still play
> > > > reaction cards (like Enhanced Senses or Deleflection).
> > > So what you are saying is a minion who attempts to block and fails is
> > > not tapped if a superior Faceless Night had been played until the
> > > action is concluded?
> > No, he'd be tapped as soon as he played Deflection, since playing
> > Deflection implies that the Methuselah is not blocking.
> > > The card seems to allude to an untapped minion who attempts to block is
> > > tapped once the block attempt fails or succeeds.
> > Not the attempt - he won't be tapped until his controller decides to
> > make no more attempts (or the action resolves).
> I am not sure I understand... If Minion 1 comes to bleed and Minion 2
> declares a block attempt with an Untapped minion (who still remains
> untapped), Minion 1 can not play stealth to continue the action. If
?
Minion 1 can play stealth to attempt to avoid the block.
> Minion 1 plays Faceless Night at superior thereby getting around Minion
> 2's block attempt. At this point, is Minion 2 still untapped and able
> to play additional reaction cards (i.e. Deflection, Telepathic Counter,
> Telepathic Misdirection) or is Minion 2 tapped and if it still wants to
> play additional reaction cards must use a WwEF or FA to play them?
Minion 2 is untapped an can play reaction cards - notably intercept-gaining
reaction cards (which would not be playable if he was tapped), and also
other reaction cards, like Deflection, et al.
Again, Faceless Night taps the "victim" block-attempter when the action
resolves or when the acting Methuselah declines to make any further block
attempts (whichever comes first).
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James Hamblin
LSJ wrote:
>
> > Minion 1 plays Faceless Night at superior thereby getting around Minion
> > 2's block attempt. At this point, is Minion 2 still untapped and able
> > to play additional reaction cards (i.e. Deflection, Telepathic Counter,
> > Telepathic Misdirection) or is Minion 2 tapped and if it still wants to
> > play additional reaction cards must use a WwEF or FA to play them?
>
> Minion 2 is untapped an can play reaction cards - notably intercept-gaining
> reaction cards (which would not be playable if he was tapped), and also
> other reaction cards, like Deflection, et al.
>
> Again, Faceless Night taps the "victim" block-attempter when the action
> resolves or when the acting Methuselah declines to make any further block
> attempts (whichever comes first).
There's one point I'm confused about here: you said earlier that playing
Deflection "implies" that the deflecting Meth. is not blocking. Does
that mean that if the bleed got (somehow) bounced back to the original
Methuselah, that Meth. can no longer attempt to block?
James
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LSJ
> LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> > hamd...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > Does the superior of FN cancel out the superior of Deflection - ie do
> > > you tap the vampire after playing the card?
> > Faceless Night will tap him after he plays Deflection, yes.
> What about Cats Guidance after a FN (assuming a succesful block)?
It will untap him, per card text.
LSJ
> There's one point I'm confused about here: you said earlier that playing
> Deflection "implies" that the deflecting Meth. is not blocking. Does
> that mean that if the bleed got (somehow) bounced back to the original
> Methuselah, that Meth. can no longer attempt to block?
No, since Deflection (and other change-the-target-of-this-action effects)
generates a new "choose blockers" phase, which renders all old "I don't
block" declarations null and void. [RTR 30-JUN-1997]
For instance, if Meth A's minion bled Meth B and Meth B declined to block
and Meth C (with Anneke ready and untapped) declined to block, Anneke
could still block after the bleed is deflected to C.
James Hamblin
LSJ wrote:
>
> James Hamblin wrote:
> > There's one point I'm confused about here: you said earlier that playing
> > Deflection "implies" that the deflecting Meth. is not blocking. Does
> > that mean that if the bleed got (somehow) bounced back to the original
> > Methuselah, that Meth. can no longer attempt to block?
>
> No, since Deflection (and other change-the-target-of-this-action effects)
> generates a new "choose blockers" phase, which renders all old "I don't
> block" declarations null and void. [RTR 30-JUN-1997]
One last situation:
Agrippina (controlled by Meth A) bleeds Meth B.
Zebulon (controlled by Meth B) attempts to block.
Agrippina plays Faceless Night at superior.
Zebulon is not tapped yet, since he's still trying to block.
Zebulon plays Deflection (to make Agrippina bleed Meth C). Since this
is an implicit "I don't block" declaration, Zebulon is tapped.
Somehow (details not important) Agrippina is once again bleeding Meth
B. Zebulon could not play (for example) Redirection, since he is
tapped. However, another untapped minion could attempt to block
Agrippina, or once again Deflect her.
Correct?
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LSJ
> Agrippina (controlled by Meth A) bleeds Meth B.
> Zebulon (controlled by Meth B) attempts to block.
> Agrippina plays Faceless Night at superior.
> Zebulon is not tapped yet, since he's still trying to block.
> Zebulon plays Deflection (to make Agrippina bleed Meth C). Since this
> is an implicit "I don't block" declaration, Zebulon is tapped.
> Somehow (details not important) Agrippina is once again bleeding Meth
> B. Zebulon could not play (for example) Redirection, since he is
> tapped. However, another untapped minion could attempt to block
> Agrippina, or once again Deflect her.
Correct.