Battle Lines - The End is Near!
echia...@yahoo.com
final chance to influence the fate of the Bloodlines!
[CLAN TOTALS]
12 Baali
11 Kiasyd
6 Salubri
5 Salubri Antitribu
4 Daughters of Cacophony
4 Gargoyles
4 True Brujah
3 Ahrimanes
3 Nagaraja
1 Blood Brothers
0 Abomination
0 Harbingers of Skull
0 Samedi
--> The Baali are still in the lead but just barely. The Kiasyd have
gradually chipped away at the lead and could make a final sprint to
take the overall victory. The last few events may very well tip the
balance between the Baali vs. the Kiasyd. The Salubri/!Salubri have
also done quite well.
[FACTION]
(Arbitrarily assigning +'s and -'s to show margins of affiliation)
[TEAM LILITH]
+12 Baali (all 12 Bahari, duh!)
+3 Kiasyd (7 Bahari vs 3 Loyalist)
+3 Salubri Antitribu (4 Bahari vs 1 Loyalist)
+1 Ahrimanes (2 Bahari vs 1 Loyalist)
+1 Nagaraja (2 Bahari vs 1 Loyalist)
[UNDECIDED, a.k.a. "I'd rather watch the Twilight Premiere"]
0 Daughters of Cacophony (2 Bahari vs 2 Loyalist)
0 Gargoyles (2 Bahari vs 2 Loyalist)
0 Abomination (depressed in Harano Gloom)
0 Harbingers of Skull (overslept in Kaymakli)
0 Samedi (stranded in the Caribbean cause of the oil spill)
[TEAM CAINE]
-1 Blood Brother (1 Bahari)
-2 Salubri (2 Bahari vs 4 Loyalist)
-2 True Brujah (1 Bahari vs 3 Loyalist)
--> Except for the Baali, most of the Bloodlines clans are still
within a few victories of changing their mind. In fact, a single win
could sway the balance for 8 of the Bloodlines clans. And since the
Baali/Kiasyd are in a tight struggle for the win, just about every
remaining storyline result can make a big difference!
So keep those results pouring in and now is your last chance to run a
final Battle Lines storyline to determine the fate of your Bloodlines
clan! It should be interesting to see where the chips end up
falling....
alex fnurp
wrote:
> *snipping great statistics
Awesome work Eric,
I'd much rather see the elflings win this over the demons so I'm
hoping there will be one-two more wins in the bag for them in the
following days :]
Of course it'd be a lot more fun if Salubri Antitribu or some other
clan would have won the whole thing all-together but you cant have
everything ;)
echia...@yahoo.com
> I'd much rather see the elflings win this over the demons so I'm
> hoping there will be one-two more wins in the bag for them in the
> following days :]
>
> Of course it'd be a lot more fun if Salubri Antitribu or some other
> clan would have won the whole thing all-together but you cant have
> everything ;)
Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing the Kiasyd pull an upset. Though I do
hope the Kiasyd continue to stick with Team Edward (Lilith). Heck,
even the Abominations have shunned Team Jacob (Caine)!
It would certainly have been fun if the Salubri Antitribu, or
Nagaraja, or even Abominations had managed to win! :-)
Matthew T. Morgan
> 0 Samedi (stranded in the Caribbean cause of the oil spill)
I won the Baltimore event with Samedi (loyalist). I'll get after the
event organizer to report it.
Bayou
wasn't confirmed by the organizers.
http://forums.white-wolf.com/cs/forums/t/25955.aspx
Ben Swainbank
wrote:
> With a scant few days left for the latest storyline event, now is your
> final chance to influence the fate of the Bloodlines!
>
Last call. The standings should be up to date with reports I am aware
of. If there are any more events to report today is the day to send
them to vtes...@white-wolf.com.
-Ben Swainbank
VTES Storyline Coordinator
http://www.vtesstorylines.com
Abdul alHazred
> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, echiang...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > 0 Samedi (stranded in the Caribbean cause of the oil spill)
>
> I won the Baltimore event with Samedi (loyalist). I'll get after the
> event organizer to report it.
I would be really intrested in that decklist. Could you post it here
or somewhere where one might look?
/cheers Tomas
Matthew T. Morgan
>> I won the Baltimore event with Samedi (loyalist). I'll get after the
>> event organizer to report it.
>
> I would be really intrested in that decklist. Could you post it here
> or somewhere where one might look?
I've been hoping to post this as a TWD entry, but who knows if that will
ever happen. It's not easy to win with Samedi!
I'm not sure this is the current version of the deck, but it's close. I
had a good run with it at the US championship, despite really difficult
tables.
Table 1: between tupdogs and imbued. Timed out.
Table 2: bleedzooka table. 4 VP GW
Table 3: breed/boon table. 1 VP
Not good enough for the final, but it might've been the best possible
outcome considering the tables. Sheesh, Eno with 35 pool. Give me a
break!
Deck Name: Zombo Combo
Created by: Matt Morgan
Description:
Crypt [12 vampires, average capacity: 7]
1x Baron, The FOR NEC OBF THN dom 9 Samedi:2 2
votes
1x Genina, The Red Poet CHI OBF THN aus cel for 8
Samedi:3
3x Reg Driscoll OBF THN aus for pre 8 Samedi:2
3x Jorge De La Muerte, The OBF THN cel for nec 7 Samedi:2
2x George Frederick FOR THN nec obf 6 Samedi:2
2x Lithrac OBF for thn 5 Samedi:2
Library [82 cards]
Master [21]
2x Anarch Troublemaker
1x Barrens, The
1x Charisma
8x Coroner's Contact
1x Giant's Blood
2x Houngan
1x Information Highway
1x Jake Washington (Hunter)
1x Kaymakli Nightmares
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
1x Perfectionist
1x Specialization
Action [8]
7x Little Mountain Cemetery
1x Putrescent Servitude
Action Modifier [31]
7x Cloak the Gathering
2x Elder Impersonation
5x Faceless Night
10x Freak Drive
3x Lost in Crowds
2x Spying Mission
2x Veil the Legions
Action Modifier/Combat [3]
3x Swallowed by the Night
Ally [16]
1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
10x Reanimated Corpse
5x Shambling Hordes
Event [3]
1x FBI Special Affairs Division
2x Unmasking, The
Peter D Bakija
Man. You always seem to be doing better than me with, like, the same
decks. I'm currently playing a similar one that looks kind of like this:
3x Baroque (7) THN, NEC, obf, for, aus
2x Brigitte Mandisa (5) NEC, thn, obf, for
1x Rashid Stockton (4) obf, Black Hand
3x Lubomira Hradock (3) OBF, Black Hand
3x Angel Chavarria (3) THN
6x Wider View
1x Direct Intervention
1x The Coven
1x Fame
1x Charisma
1x Mob Connections
1x Giant's Blood
1x Vessel
1x Perfectionist
1x Forschritt Library
1x Drop Point Network
1x Failsafe
1x Houngan
12x Reanimated Corpse
6x Shambling Hordes
4x Under My Skin
2x Hag's Wrinkles
1x Pressing Flesh
8x Cloak the Gathering
6x Veil the Legions
1x Confusion of the Eye
4x Soak
4x Hidden Strength
1x Trochomancy
8x Truth in Ink
6x Off Kilter
2x On the Qui Vive
1x Poison Pill
3x Camera Phone
1x Ivory Bow
1x Sawed Off Shotgun
1x The Unmasking
Relative to your deck, I lack most of the multi action, but have smaller
minions. And added killing potential from Baroque with a Shotgun (who is
surprisingly effective). The Trochomancy is in there primarily to mess
with Ashur Tablet tech. Or the Imbued. But a surprise +1 bleed never
hurts either. The Wider View work great in a deck like this, where you
have so few different minions, so I regularly get the 4 main ones in
play, and even get back up Black Hand member Rashid in play if I'm doing
well, and between the 6 Wider View and the 6 Off Kilter, the deck has
some not insignificant bloat. The Pressing Fleshed re-reanimated
Shambling Hordes is kind of super awesome. The "Lubomira stands around,
hands out stealth, and reduces bleeds a lot" aspect of the deck is
really quite effective.
It isn't, like, the best deck ever or anything, but it has been doing
reasonably well in local casual play (wins occasionally). I keep trying
to monkey with the crypt, but as both Brigitte and Angel are G6, I have
to lose both of them to be replaced with Abebe and Mcoute (assuming I
want to keep Baroque and Lubomira), which doesn't add much other than
less THN and more expensive guys. Stupid Toy being so generally
useless...
Peter D Bakija
pd...@lightlink.com
http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6/vtes.html
"It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does?"
-Gaff
The Lasombra
>> Deck Name: Zombo Combo
>> Created by: Matt Morgan
>Man. You always seem to be doing better than me with, like, the same
>decks. I'm currently playing a similar one that looks kind of like this:
Little Mountain Cemetery makes a huge difference. Pete Oh played
Matt's deck on one of the days of Origins, and it was the prey that
wouldn't die in spite of never blocking my bleeds of 6 per turn.
Peter D Bakija
> Little Mountain Cemetery makes a huge difference. Pete Oh played
> Matt's deck on one of the days of Origins, and it was the prey that
> wouldn't die in spite of never blocking my bleeds of 6 per turn.
Yeah, I guess that it would--Matt has a lot of Coroner's Contacts to
get guys in his uncontrolled region and then LMC to put blood on them
all the time. But I can't imagine that it would be *that* much more
effective in the long run than the same number of Off Kilters. But I
suppose of you have, like, 5 uncontrolled guys and the Baron plays LMC
every turn and untaps basically for free with the LMC/Freak Drive,
that *is* a lot of pool.
-Peter
Kevin M.
> But I can't imagine that [LMC] would be *that* much more
> effective in the long run than the same number of Off Kilters.
In the strictest sense:
Off Kilter is a +1 stealth action that gains you 1 or 2 pool.
Little Mountain Cemetary is a +1 stealth action that gains
you AT LEAST 1 pool (per 2 transfers) AND 1 blood.
I don't even bother with Off Kilter, but maybe 1 is OK.
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Matthew T. Morgan
Depending on what's going on, I will either just buy The Baron or The
Baron + Lithrac to start, meaning I have either 21 or 16 spare pool to
work with. LMC brings back 2 pool per turn or gets guys out faster, if I
have the pool to spare. It's quite a good card for a multi-acting deck
like this. It's pretty rare for LMC to turn into anything other than pool
unless I totally start winning all over the place though.
None of the new cards really seem worthwhile to me, unfortunately. Off
Kilter? Maybe if I were going to reduce the amount of stealth in the deck
and add more Freak Drives. Otherwise my actions need to be more valuable
than this. The Baron will probably have fewer than 20 actions in a
typical game, so they have to be important. Olid Loa? Sigh. Stiff
Contempt? Ooh, just the thing. I've had such a hard time avoiding blocks
with Samedi until now! Decompose? Seems kind of interesting, but doesn't
help with the central mission of the deck. Groaning Corpse? This card is
cool, but not really usable and has no place in my deck. Pressing Flesh?
doesn't work on Corpses, so that's bad. Under My Skin? Pay for stealth?
No thanks. I need my blood for other things.
Peter D Bakija
> Peter D Bakija wrote:
> Off Kilter is a +1 stealth action that gains you 1 or 2 pool.
Well, I've never played it for 1 pool, but yeah.
> Little Mountain Cemetary is a +1 stealth action that gains
> you AT LEAST 1 pool (per 2 transfers) AND 1 blood.
This is true. But also requires considerably more set up to make it
pay off--you need a big vampire, and then younger vampires in your
uncontrolled region. Which is anti-synergy with Wider View, which is
important in the deck in question.
> I don't even bother with Off Kilter, but maybe 1 is OK.
I dunno--I find it to be rather effective. I mean, people play Art
Scam all the time, and Off Kilter does the same thing (and in a pinch,
can get the edge from someone if you can't otherwise for whatever
reason, but really, I only ever play it for 2 pool).
-Peter
Peter D Bakija
> None of the new cards really seem worthwhile to me, unfortunately. Off
> Kilter? Maybe if I were going to reduce the amount of stealth in the deck
> and add more Freak Drives. Otherwise my actions need to be more valuable
> than this.
As my deck tends to work, I have 3 guys to take actions with (plus
Lubomira and then the bleeding and fighting zombies), so finding a
spare action to gain 2 pool isn't usually difficult. WIth only 2 guys
to operate with, yeah, not so good, but with 3, it seems to work out.
> The Baron will probably have fewer than 20 actions in a
> typical game, so they have to be important. Olid Loa? Sigh. Stiff
> Contempt? Ooh, just the thing. I've had such a hard time avoiding blocks
> with Samedi until now! Decompose?
Yeah, they blow.
> Seems kind of interesting, but doesn't
> help with the central mission of the deck. Groaning Corpse? This card is
> cool, but not really usable and has no place in my deck. Pressing Flesh?
> doesn't work on Corpses, so that's bad.
As noted, Pressing Flesh on a Shambling Horde is super awesome. I
mean, I'm unlikely to use, like, 10 or anything. But having one in a
deck like this is fantastic. I have never regretted drawing into it.
> Under My Skin? Pay for stealth?
> No thanks. I need my blood for other things.
Under My Skin is really handy in limited numbers. Yeah, it costs a
blood, but +2 stealth on, like, Angel is great and the +1 stealth
later often results in people just not bothering to even try and block
that guy.
-Peter
Matthew T. Morgan
> On Jul 2, 4:13 pm, "Matthew T. Morgan" <farq...@io.com> wrote:
>> None of the new cards really seem worthwhile to me, unfortunately. Off
>> Kilter? Maybe if I were going to reduce the amount of stealth in the deck
>> and add more Freak Drives. Otherwise my actions need to be more valuable
>> than this.
>
> As my deck tends to work, I have 3 guys to take actions with (plus
> Lubomira and then the bleeding and fighting zombies), so finding a
> spare action to gain 2 pool isn't usually difficult. WIth only 2 guys
> to operate with, yeah, not so good, but with 3, it seems to work out.
Well, that's the big difference between our decks. My deck is really a
star deck in that I want to Coroner's Contact The Baron out (though Reg or
Jorge could work in a pinch) and I may have to run with just the one
vampire out. Your deck actively wants to put three Samedi into play and
has non-Samedi vampires in the crypt. Plus you've got a 3 cap Samedi.
Gain 2 pool is a great action for a 3 cap. Totally different decks. I
didn't mean that card sucks in yours.
I'd like to do something with the newer Samedi, but I just keep coming
back to The Baron. He's pretty much the best Samedi ever. And I don't
even use the dominate!
Peter D Bakija
> back to The Baron. He's pretty much the best Samedi ever. And I don't
> even use the dominate!
Yeah, The Baron is kind of ridiculously good (ya know, in the context of
the Samedi), what with the +1 bleed and dominate and all. The deck I'm
running (which, now that I think about it, has won the last 3 games it
played in, although they weren't super hard core games) works pretty
well with the new guys--Angel is great for a 3 cap. If he gets Charisma,
he is an endless Reanimated Corpse Bride factory; Brigitte is reasonable
enough as a 5 cap with NEC (I've considered replacing the second one of
her with Living La Vida Bluca who has NEC, obf, for for a 6, but not
having the thanatosis or being Samedi keeps making me not do it).
Baroque having NEC/THN is great in the deck, and the built in rush is
very solid.
I'm still kinda cranky that the Samedi have been really hosed in terms
of minion selection in all groups other than 2/3, due to Advanced Jack
Dawson amd Toy taking up slots. Stupid Toy.
Kushiel
> I'm still kinda cranky that the Samedi have been really hosed in terms
> of minion selection in all groups other than 2/3, due to Advanced Jack
> Dawson amd Toy taking up slots. Stupid Toy.
Word to this. Their "we're special because we have four in-clan
disciplines, not three" attitude isn't help matters any, either.
John Eno
Matthew T. Morgan
> I'm still kinda cranky that the Samedi have been really hosed in terms
> of minion selection in all groups other than 2/3, due to Advanced Jack
> Dawson amd Toy taking up slots. Stupid Toy.
Yeah, the Samedi keep getting these weirdo "boutique" vampires that only
work in really crazy decks, but I guess that's appropriate for a
bloodline. Jack Dawson is particularly crappy. Notice my deck even
includes a copy of Genina, just in case I'm having a really spectacular
game and every single other Samedi is already in play (but somehow I
haven't won yet?), but Jack? No way. He's not worth it for inferior
Thanatosis on an 8 cap. Bleah.
Peter D Bakija
<c9ecc096-98b8-4393...@j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
Kushiel <invisibl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Word to this. Their "we're special because we have four in-clan
> disciplines, not three" attitude isn't help matters any, either.
Well, to be fair, now that I'm looking at group numbers:
The Samedi have 18 total minions, including Advanced Jack and Toy.
-G2: 6+1
-G3: 1
-G4: 5
-G5: 2
-G6: 3
While say, the Kisayid and Arihmanes have 15 total minions.
-G2: 5
-G3: 1
-G4: 5
-G5: 1
-G6: 3
So the Samedi are still up a guy in G2 (the promo Baron, I assume) even
if you ignore Advanced Jack and Toy. But their G3 minion (Gennia) is
very difficult to use due to her being Red List (greatly limiting the
decks she is useful in, as Samedi combat tends to suck). And then the
wacky 4 way discipline spread makes things difficult to focus.
Basically, we need a couple more G6 vampires for everyone. Especially
the Samedi.
Peter D Bakija
> work in really crazy decks, but I guess that's appropriate for a
> bloodline.
Well, ya know, given that they have 4 different disciplines to work
with, and none of them, are, like, dominate, it does seem particularly
cruel to saddle them with Genina who is Red List and then Toy and then
advanced Jack. But as I just posted, ignoring Toy and advanced Jack, the
Samedi still have more vampires than most other bloodlines (in G2). But
yeah, the weird ones and the kooky disciplines spreads aren't helping.
Rehlow
> In article <alpine.BSF.2.00.1007031139340.94...@fnord.io.com>,
> "Matthew T. Morgan" <farq...@io.com> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, the Samedi keep getting these weirdo "boutique" vampires that only
> > work in really crazy decks, but I guess that's appropriate for a
> > bloodline.
>
> Well, ya know, given that they have 4 different disciplines to work
> with, and none of them, are, like, dominate, it does seem particularly
> cruel to saddle them with Genina who is Red List and then Toy and then
> advanced Jack. But as I just posted, ignoring Toy and advanced Jack, the
> Samedi still have more vampires than most other bloodlines (in G2). But
> yeah, the weird ones and the kooky disciplines spreads aren't helping.
>
> Peter D Bakija
>
> "It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does?"
> -Gaff
Genina's conditional stealth special makes her worth risking being Red
List on a table without combat. With Coroner's Contact you can go get
the 1 copy when its safe and go get someone else if she does show up
in your uncontrolled on a fighty table.
Later,
~Rehlow
tobiasopdenbr...@notsocoldmail.com
> In article <alpine.BSF.2.00.1007021043070.55...@fnord.io.com>,
> "Matthew T. Morgan" <farq...@io.com> wrote:
>
> > Deck Name: Zombo Combo
> > Created by: Matt Morgan
>
> Man. You always seem to be doing better than me with, like, the same
> decks. I'm currently playing a similar one that looks kind of like this:
>
<snip>
back in the old tech days (http://www.thelasombra.com/decks/
twd.htm#2k4pathodats), these were the things I took from play:
1. Charisma isn't worth it. Use more Jake. (YMMV)
2. Dreams is good to get the Baron a turn earlier. (And puts shamblers
in your ash heap).
3. The +1 bleed on some samedi rocks (much more than I expected)
Of course, that was before the corpses or the little mountain cemetary
or events.
I've also wondered about sticking in a spirit marionette / heidelburg
angle... they haven't printed a salubri with nec and obf yet, I
presume? :)
(Then again, I've also played shambler decks with Trem and Nos...
neither a beacon of effectiveness...)
suoli
<tobiasopdenbr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've also wondered about sticking in a spirit marionette / heidelburg
> angle... they haven't printed a salubri with nec and obf yet, I
> presume? :)
Matthias has nec and Gift of Sleep gives +1 stealth at obf or OBE.
Peter D Bakija
<e6589200-18e3-40b8...@r27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
"tobiasopdenbr...@notsocoldmail.com" <tobiasop...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> back in the old tech days (http://www.thelasombra.com/decks/
> twd.htm#2k4pathodats), these were the things I took from play:
Heh. Usually what I get from these discussions is:
1. Matt is just a better player than me.
But the other stuff here works too.
> 1. Charisma isn't worth it. Use more Jake. (YMMV)
I dunno--in the instance of Reanimated Corpse Brides, having THN and
Charisma means you don't spend any blood at all and get a 3 counter
Bride. Which is a good deal. Angel (who is a 3 cap) with Charisma is
awesome for making Brides.
That being said, I should probably have a Jake in my deck in the first
place...
Matthew T. Morgan
> Heh. Usually what I get from these discussions is:
>
> 1. Matt is just a better player than me.
Oh what nonsense. How many awesome maneuvers in vtes are named after me?
None, that's how many! I am merely a patient and attentive player.
> But the other stuff here works too.
>
>> 1. Charisma isn't worth it. Use more Jake. (YMMV)
>
> I dunno--in the instance of Reanimated Corpse Brides, having THN and
> Charisma means you don't spend any blood at all and get a 3 counter
> Bride. Which is a good deal. Angel (who is a 3 cap) with Charisma is
> awesome for making Brides.
Yeah, I agree, plus in my deck I can benefit from Charisma more than once
per turn. If it shows up early it's quite powerful. It also allows the
creation of longer-lasting Corpse Brides than you could normally do if low
on blood. Jake is good and all, but what if he gets stolen or killed just
before you really need to use him? You hunt, that's what. Hunting is
death in my deck. I lost a final due to having to hunt!
> That being said, I should probably have a Jake in my deck in the first
> place...
Yeah. I also like him as a blocker with Unmasking and the FBI. Probably
the only reason there's just one copy in mine is I built that deck before
he was reprinted.
salem
> In article
> <e6589200-18e3-40b8...@r27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> "tobiasopdenbr...@notsocoldmail.com" <tobiasop...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> 1. Charisma isn't worth it. Use more Jake. (YMMV)
>
> I dunno--in the instance of Reanimated Corpse Brides, having THN and
> Charisma means you don't spend any blood at all and get a 3 counter
> Bride. Which is a good deal. Angel (who is a 3 cap) with Charisma is
> awesome for making Brides.
How is Charisma better than Perfectionist, in a deck using allies that cost
blood and not pool, with no multi-acting?
Perfectionist seems infinitely better to me.
(of course, having BOTH on someone is better still....but in general, I save
my copies of Charisma for ally decks that have pool costs....)
> That being said, I should probably have a Jake in my deck in the first
> place...
well yeah, Jake is cool. If you have spare copies to go splashing around :)
--
salem
(replace 'hotmail' with 'gmail' to email)
Matthew T. Morgan
> How is Charisma better than Perfectionist, in a deck using allies that cost
> blood and not pool, with no multi-acting?
My deck has all kinds of multi-acting and can often benefit from Charisma
twice per turn. Charisma also allows a vampire with 2 blood to play
Shambling Hordes or a Corpse Bride where X = that vampire's blood +1 while
Perfectionist does not. Finally Charisma doesn't care if someone played a
reaction, only if the action was successful.
But yes, I play both.
Peter D Bakija
wrote:
> How is Charisma better than Perfectionist, in a deck using allies that cost
> blood and not pool, with no multi-acting?
'Cause occasionally Perfectionist gets foiled, where Charisma always
works. And Perfectionist requires you to have the blood up front (a
minor, but not completely inconsequential issue--you have 1 blood. You
declare "I'm getting a Corpse Bride where X=3" and someone tries to
block, and you need to play Under My Skin for stealth paying your 1
blood. If you have Perfectionist, the action fizziles. If you have
Charisma, it still works). And having a Perfectionist and a Charisma in
the deck is pretty much just better than having 2 Perfectionists in the
deck (as you can stack them if you want).
> well yeah, Jake is cool. If you have spare copies to go splashing around :)
Well, there is that, too :-)
Peter D Bakija
"Matthew T. Morgan" <far...@io.com> wrote:
> Oh what nonsense. How many awesome maneuvers in vtes are named after me?
> None, that's how many! I am merely a patient and attentive player.
True, true. Keep hope alive, and one day you too can have your own
eponymous gambit!
> Yeah. I also like him as a blocker with Unmasking and the FBI. Probably
> the only reason there's just one copy in mine is I built that deck before
> he was reprinted.
Yeah, he is very good, especially as he can block and stuff. I suspect
he isn't in my deck as I only have a couple and they were all in use
when I put it together. I'll probably remedy that.
Abdul alHazred
Thanks for sharing the deck Matthew.
Thing is I have been playing a LMC deck with g 4-5 with the reasoning
that its slightly faster if you dont use Troglodytia (Coroners on hand
and no star vampire in your crypt and you get him out in 3 of 5
instead of 2 of 5) and you need less pool to get your guys into
action . I (hopefully) get more pool left so I can play Ossian and
other nasty allies and Morlock is Black Hand so he gets to have
Guarded Rubrics and I have the option (and have lately used it) to
play Black Hand Ritual so you can nerf Anthelios which is used quite
alot in my gaming enviroment. I´m not saying that these outweigh the
advantages to group 2+3 just saying there are some areas where group
4+5 has options that 2+3 lack.
Problem I have had is that games timeout, I dont bruise enough and I
see that you have alot more stealth that you can give the corpses and
the kay to your games lie therein I guess?
Crypt (12)
1 Morlock
2 Baroque
1 Tangine
2 Macoute
6 Abebe
Deck (86)
Masters (17)
1 Charisma
8 Coroners Contract
2 Direct Intervention
1 Giants Blood
1 Houngan
2 Information Highway
1 Pentex Subversion
1 Perfectionist
Actions (15)
1 Black Hand ritual
11 Little Mountain Cemetary
2 Pressing Flesh
1 Putrescent Servitude
Ally (19)
1 Carlton Van Wyk
1 Mylan Horseheed
1 Ossian
11 Reanimated Corpse
5 Shambling Horde
Equipment(3)
1 Guarded Rubrics
1 Ivory Bow
1 Kevlar Vest
Action Modifier (16)
1 Cloak the Gathering
10 Freak Drive
1 Faceless night
1 Lost in Crowds
3 Under my Skin
Combat (7)
2 Ashes to ashes
5 Soak
Reactions (6)
6 On the Que Vive
Events (3)
1 FBI Special affairs Investigation
2 Unmasking
comments/suggestions are welcome.
/cheers Tomas
Matthew T. Morgan
> Problem I have had is that games timeout, I dont bruise enough and I
> see that you have alot more stealth that you can give the corpses and
> the kay to your games lie therein I guess?
Yeah, the thing is that once I get the deck rolling, I'm handing out about
10 pool loss per turn. This will tend to end games. Since I'm bleeding
for only 2 at a time, I'll tend to get my prey despite bounce/reduce or
dreaded intercept.
> Crypt (12)
> 1 Morlock
> 2 Baroque
> 1 Tangine
> 2 Macoute
> 6 Abebe
I think you're smart not to go for Trog, but Morlock (as well as Trog) has
inferior obfuscate, which kind of sucks. I really think multiple superior
cloaks have made my deck run, but the only OBF you have is Tangine (who
lacks fortitude). This group has some good vampires, but isn't as solid
as 2-3, I think. Morlock at least has +1 bleed, but I also get +1 bleed
out of Reg and (often) Jorge.
> Deck (86)
>
> Masters (17)
> 1 Charisma
> 8 Coroners Contract
> 2 Direct Intervention
> 1 Giants Blood
> 1 Houngan
> 2 Information Highway
> 1 Pentex Subversion
> 1 Perfectionist
Similar to mine, but I find Kaymakli Nightmares can be a real lifesaver.
I also find Specialization to be really useful.
> Actions (15)
> 1 Black Hand ritual
> 11 Little Mountain Cemetary
> 2 Pressing Flesh
> 1 Putrescent Servitude
How often do you actually play the Putrescent Servitude? I discarded mine
for years and years but then actually managed to play it to good effect in
two rounds of the US Championship. It's worth all the dead weight just to
be able to say "J.S. Simmons should become putrescently servile!"
> Ally (19)
> 1 Carlton Van Wyk
> 1 Mylan Horseheed
> 1 Ossian
> 11 Reanimated Corpse
> 5 Shambling Horde
Ossian is a good call as is Mylan.
> Equipment(3)
> 1 Guarded Rubrics
> 1 Ivory Bow
> 1 Kevlar Vest
The Rubrics I can see, but as for the other stuff, I really don't intend
for my vampires to ever be in combat.
> Action Modifier (16)
> 1 Cloak the Gathering
> 10 Freak Drive
> 1 Faceless night
> 1 Lost in Crowds
> 3 Under my Skin
This is way too little stealth for me. I don't see the Corpse Brides as
bruisers. I just like to stealth them through. It's more reliable. A
prey with any kind of gun or something will think nothing of blocking
them. Even if you save them with a Soak, so what? I'd rather not give my
prey the choice. Also, what would you do if you sat by
Howler/Carna/Maris/etc. Looks to me like you'd get blocked an awful lot.
I have been thinking of cutting a little stealth for more Freak Drives
though.
> Combat (7)
> 2 Ashes to ashes
> 5 Soak
I don't want my vampires to be in combat and don't care what happens to my
allies, so no combat cards.
> Reactions (6)
> 6 On the Que Vive
I've managed to do pretty well with no wakes mostly just because I don't
want to draw them during my turn. I normally use the Shamblers as defense
and with LMC pool gain and a very small investment, that's often enough.
Abdul alHazred
> On Tue, 6 Jul 2010, Abdul alHazred wrote:
> > Problem I have had is that games timeout, I dont bruise enough and I
> > see that you have alot more stealth that you can give the corpses and
> > the kay to your games lie therein I guess?
>
> Yeah, the thing is that once I get the deck rolling, I'm handing out about
> 10 pool loss per turn. This will tend to end games. Since I'm bleeding
> for only 2 at a time, I'll tend to get my prey despite bounce/reduce or
> dreaded intercept.
>
> > Crypt (12)
> > 1 Morlock
> > 2 Baroque
> > 1 Tangine
> > 2 Macoute
> > 6 Abebe
>
> I think you're smart not to go for Trog, but Morlock (as well as Trog) has
> inferior obfuscate, which kind of sucks. I really think multiple superior
> cloaks have made my deck run, but the only OBF you have is Tangine (who
> lacks fortitude). This group has some good vampires, but isn't as solid
> as 2-3, I think. Morlock at least has +1 bleed, but I also get +1 bleed
> out of Reg and (often) Jorge.
The lack of OBF stares you in the face in g4-5 which makes it more
natural to try the swarm aproach (not saying its more effective) and
hopefully you can keep most of the corpses that gets blocked with soak
was my thought. Tangine could just as well be another Abebe since very
few games you get more than 3 vampires out...
>
> > Deck (86)
>
> > Masters (17)
> > 1 Charisma
> > 8 Coroners Contract
> > 2 Direct Intervention
> > 1 Giants Blood
> > 1 Houngan
> > 2 Information Highway
> > 1 Pentex Subversion
> > 1 Perfectionist
>
> Similar to mine, but I find Kaymakli Nightmares can be a real lifesaver.
> I also find Specialization to be really useful.
- In the first version i did have Kaymakli Nightmares in the deck, but
I never seem to draw it when I needed it and that it´s seldom I find
that I have more than 5 pool out on my uncontrolled minions. So out it
went, perhaps the wrong cornercard to remove, but i Should have an
anarch troublemaker or two in here i think.
>
> > Actions (15)
> > 1 Black Hand ritual
> > 11 Little Mountain Cemetary
> > 2 Pressing Flesh
> > 1 Putrescent Servitude
>
> How often do you actually play the Putrescent Servitude? I discarded mine
> for years and years but then actually managed to play it to good effect in
> two rounds of the US Championship. It's worth all the dead weight just to
> be able to say "J.S. Simmons should become putrescently servile!"
- In casual play I would remove the putrescent servitude, but
tournamentplay with Carltons, Jakes, Mr Winthrop and bleed retainers
flying about it feels as if it would have more uses´. The Pressing
flesh have been _really good since most players dont plan on getting
rushed twice by one ally in one turn.
>
> > Ally (19)
> > 1 Carlton Van Wyk
> > 1 Mylan Horseheed
> > 1 Ossian
> > 11 Reanimated Corpse
> > 5 Shambling Horde
>
> Ossian is a good call as is Mylan.
>
> > Equipment(3)
> > 1 Guarded Rubrics
> > 1 Ivory Bow
> > 1 Kevlar Vest
>
> The Rubrics I can see, but as for the other stuff, I really don't intend
> for my vampires to ever be in combat.
- Both are corner case, but on a really combatlight table a shambler
with a kevlar vest is (another) permanent rusher, the bow is for
Barogue and his inherent rush although its usefulness is limited,
perhaps should be removed
>
> > Action Modifier (16)
> > 1 Cloak the Gathering
> > 10 Freak Drive
> > 1 Faceless night
> > 1 Lost in Crowds
> > 3 Under my Skin
>
> This is way too little stealth for me. I don't see the Corpse Brides as
> bruisers. I just like to stealth them through. It's more reliable. A
> prey with any kind of gun or something will think nothing of blocking
> them. Even if you save them with a Soak, so what? I'd rather not give my
> prey the choice. Also, what would you do if you sat by
> Howler/Carna/Maris/etc. Looks to me like you'd get blocked an awful lot.
>
> I have been thinking of cutting a little stealth for more Freak Drives
> though.
- Or weenie aus, I´d bash my head bloody aginst their intercept and
probably get ousted horribly in the process. I find that the portion
of stealth in a multiact deck (or any deck for that matter) to be a
really hard thing to get right. No stealth you get blocked _alot and
alot of you actions wont get through, but have to much and you´ll find
your hand clogged with stealth and thus you´ll get very few actions
done per turn.
>
> > Combat (7)
> > 2 Ashes to ashes
> > 5 Soak
>
> I don't want my vampires to be in combat and don't care what happens to my
> allies, so no combat cards.
>
> > Reactions (6)
> > 6 On the Que Vive
>
> I've managed to do pretty well with no wakes mostly just because I don't
> want to draw them during my turn. I normally use the Shamblers as defense
> and with LMC pool gain and a very small investment, that's often enough.
- I usually dont invest that much blood into my corpses and then i
prefer them to die instead of being removed from play to fuel the
shamblers since it´s not uncommon to press a shambler and you need to
remove yet another minion from the ashheap.
>
>
>
> > Events (3)
> > 1 FBI Special affairs Investigation
> > 2 Unmasking- Dölj citerad text -
>
> - Visa citerad text -
-thanks for the feedback/comments I´ll do some tinkering and hopefully
some iteration of this can show up in the TWDA some day.
/cheers Tomas