Influence phase "timing"
Asnek
maybe i'm doubleposting or asking dumb question but i will be dumb
rather once that for rest of my life :D
strange situation happens yesterday during one of our casual games.
i have influenced out 2 vampires (2cap and 1 cap). one of them was
anarch convert. i uset convert per his special to make other infuelced
vampire anarch. the i chosen to see a new one for convers.
new one vampire was 2 cap so i have used dreams and PB: Monteral. this
placed 2 counters on this vampire and here comes questions...
1 - As i still have 1 spare transfer from my influence phase can i use
it after convert pops out and i use his special? i believe answer is
now but asking just to be sure...
2 - will that 2 cap with 2 counters from montreal ans dreams jump out
from uncontroled as well or i have missed the right moment (as before
i already poped out 2 vampires)?
3 - After using convert's special can i use dreams and PB (or some
other effects)?
Rulebook partialy 7:
At the end of your influence phase, any vampire in your uncontrolled
region with a number of blood counters on him equal to (or more than)
his capacity becomes controlled. The vampire is turned face up and
moved to the ready region, untapped. The counters are kept on him to
represent his blood (counters in excess of his capacity drain off
immediately as usual). Other types of crypt cards are handled
similarly.
Anarch Convert
Clan: Caitiff (group 0)
Capacity: 1
Powers (Disciplines):
Independent. Anarch: When the convert enters play, you may remove him
from the game to make a non-titled vampire you control anarch and
either gain 1 pool or draw a card from your crypt.
Dreams of the Sphinx
Type: Master
Cost: 1 pool
Unique master.
Put this card in play. Put a counter on this card each time you tap
it. When the third counter is added, burn this card. Tap this card to
get +2 hand size until the end of the current turn. Tap during your
untap phase to gain an additional pool if you have the Edge. Tap to
move a blood from the bank to a vampire in your uncontrolled region.
Powerbase: Montreal
Type: Master
Master: unique location.
During your influence phase, you may move 1 blood from the blood bank
to a vampire in your uncontrolled region. Any vampire may steal this
location for his or her controller as a (D) action.
Izaak
New minions come into play 'at the end' of your influence phase. Montreal
and Dreams can be used 'during' your influence phase. Transfers are spent
'during' your influence phase. Once the Convert comes into play, the window
to make more transfers or use Montreal or Dreams is closed.
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Meej
> maybe i'm doubleposting or asking dumb question but i will be dumb
> rather once that for rest of my life :D
Putting separate groups of questions into separate topics is totally
cool and (I think) encouraged - it makes it easier to search and
identify things later. So no problem there. And I don't think these
are dumb questions. :-)
> 1 - As i still have 1 spare transfer from my influence phase can i use
> it after convert pops out and i use his special? i believe answer is
> now but asking just to be sure...
No, you can't; minions only move from uncontrolled to controlled after
you declare you're done with transfers and otherwise ending your
influence phase. (Things triggering on them coming into play don't
change that.)
> 2 - will that 2 cap with 2 counters from montreal ans dreams jump out
> from uncontroled as well or i have missed the right moment (as before
> i already poped out 2 vampires)?
He'll still pop out. In fact, you're not allowed to *not* pop him
out, actually. Once you're done transferring, minions come into play
from the uncontrolled one at a time, in whatever order you want, and
you resolve their effects as they come into play.
> 3 - After using convert's special can i use dreams and PB (or some
> other effects)?
I think so, since you're still in the influence phase, but I believe
(not sure) you'd be past the "check and bring out minions" step at
that point, so even if it pushed a minion over you wouldn't do so.
Not 100% sure, though. (You could use Dreams during your discard
phase or whatever, though, since that's not limited to influence
phase, last I checked.)
- D.J.
LSJ
> rather once that for rest of my life :D
>
> strange situation happens yesterday during one of our casual games.
> i have influenced out 2 vampires (2cap and 1 cap). one of them was
> anarch convert. i uset convert per his special to make other infuelced
> vampire anarch. the i chosen to see a new one for convers.
> new one vampire was 2 cap so i have used dreams and PB: Monteral. this
> placed 2 counters on this vampire and here comes questions...
>
> 1 - As i still have 1 spare transfer from my influence phase can i use
> it after convert pops out and i use his special? i believe answer is
> now but asking just to be sure...
"No" is correct.
The Influence phase has two parts: the main and the end. [RTR 08-
AUG-08]
See http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/480724df2fd804f1
for complete details.
> 2 - will that 2 cap with 2 counters from montreal ans dreams jump out
> from uncontroled as well or i have missed the right moment (as before
> i already poped out 2 vampires)?
Cannot use Montreal, since it is "during your influence phase", and
that time has passed.
Could use Dreams, though. So if it's a 1-cap, it could then fill up
from the Dreams and come out.
> 3 - After using convert's special can i use dreams and PB (or some
> other effects)?
You can use unrestricted effects like Dreams.
You cannot use "during your Influence phase" effects like PB:Montreal.
Meej
> On Aug 25, 9:40 am, Asnek <tatadl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 2 - will that 2 cap with 2 counters from montreal ans dreams jump out
> > from uncontroled as well or i have missed the right moment (as before
> > i already poped out 2 vampires)?
>
> He'll still pop out. In fact, you're not allowed to *not* pop him
> out, actually. Once you're done transferring, minions come into play
> from the uncontrolled one at a time, in whatever order you want, and
> you resolve their effects as they come into play.
I'd misread this - I'd thought the hypothetical was that his counters
had already been on him and you'd opted to resolve him until after the
AC or something. Disregard. Seeing LSJ's answer cleared up my
confusion about the question.
> > 3 - After using convert's special can i use dreams and PB (or some
> > other effects)?
>
> I think so, since you're still in the influence phase, but I believe
> (not sure) you'd be past the "check and bring out minions" step at
> that point, so even if it pushed a minion over you wouldn't do so.
> Not 100% sure, though. (You could use Dreams during your discard
> phase or whatever, though, since that's not limited to influence
> phase, last I checked.)
As corrected by LSJ, Dreams OK, PB:M not. Now I know!
- D.J.
Lionel Panhaleux
> > 1 - As i still have 1 spare transfer from my influence phase can i use
> > it after convert pops out and i use his special? i believe answer is
> > now but asking just to be sure...
>
> "No" is correct.
> > 2 - will that 2 cap with 2 counters from montreal ans dreams jump out
> > from uncontroled as well or i have missed the right moment (as before
> > i already poped out 2 vampires)?
> > 3 - After using convert's special can i use dreams and PB (or some
> > other effects)?