holy SH....T!!! (extinctionist mistake - potential YASD)
Knnn
So I have this extinctionist Tourist on NAO (wished for the Eye and the
Eyes), and I just finished creating all possible monsters on the bottom
level of vlad's tower. Towards the end I noticed an almost exclusive
creation of Ki-Rin and Archon, so I dug a cockatrice corpse out of an
ice box I set up earlier (I have about a dozen "on ice") and proceeded
to make statues of the last hundred monsters I could possibly create on
that level. It's really cool to stand on a square and see 54 Ki-rin
statues and 51 Archon statues.
Which brings me to my little problem....
I was playing around (never good thing to do in nethack), and tried to
see how many food rations I could create (smash statues into rocks,
stone to flesh to meatballs, then polymorph and hope for the best). I
managed to make ~500 so far....
I'm sure some of you already know what's coming next....
I accidentaly cast stone to flesh on the square with all the statues...
The ice box with the rubber chickens is all the way on the right (six
squares away).
Here's what the level looks like.... (there are probably more A's
beyond the Eyes' line of sight)
*
--- --- ---
|A| |A| |A|
---A---A---A---
|AAAAAA@AAAAAA|
----|AAAAAAAAA|----
|%%A|AAAAAAAAAAAA)|
|%--|AAAAAAAAA|--[|
|*|AAAAAAAAAAAAA|.|[
|)---A---A---A---.|
|_%%|A|A|A|A|A|._(|
---)---A---A---.---
|_[%%%[A**[[__|
---------------
Knnn the Adventurer St:18/** Dx:23 Co:18 In:23 Wi:23 Ch:18 Neutral
S:12300024 Dlvl:34 $:199 HP:1884(1884) Pw:1595(1860) AC:-40
Xp:30/135625266 T:129436 Satiated
----
I'm not that worried, since I can always level-port (I have the Eye),
head back to my stash and
a) Grab (or write) a spellbook of charm monster
b) Alchemize and quaff those ~600 potions of healing I have - and come
back to fight
c) Reverse genocide cockatrices
d) Leave and never come back to this level (coward's way out)
but I was wondering what you guys thought of my chances at straight up
melee? I'm #twoweaponing Magicbane +6 and a +5 Silver Saber and I have
two Archon pets (somewhere).
knnn.
Dragontamer
Knnn wrote:
[snip big mistake]
> a) Grab (or write) a spellbook of charm monster
>
> b) Alchemize and quaff those ~600 potions of healing I have - and come
> back to fight
>
> c) Reverse genocide cockatrices
>
> d) Leave and never come back to this level (coward's way out)
How about e), read scroll of taming while confused??
--Dragontamer
Jym
>
> --- --- ---
> |A| |A| |A|
> ---A---A---A---
> |AAAAAA@AAAAAA|
> ----|AAAAAAAAA|----
> |%%A|AAAAAAAAAAAA)|
> |%--|AAAAAAAAA|--[|
> |*|AAAAAAAAAAAAA|.|[
> |)---A---A---A---.|
> |_%%|A|A|A|A|A|._(|
> ---)---A---A---.---
> |_[%%%[A**[[__|
> ---------------
ROTFL.
> but I was wondering what you guys thought of my chances at straight up
> melee? I'm #twoweaponing Magicbane +6 and a +5 Silver Saber and I have
> two Archon pets (somewhere).
You seem to be quite close to the entrance of one of the closet. Moreover,
if the door is still here (not smashed), only you can move in there. So,
that's two kills before you can reach a place where only one of the big
nasty can reach you... Then, it will "simply" be a long 1v1 fight which
might be OK provided you have some way of healing/...
Maybe you can even teleport those two and get into "safety" quite fast.
Conflict ?
--
Hypocoristiquement,
Jym.
Martin Read
[regarding Vlad's Tower being full of uber-'A's]
>How about e), read scroll of taming while confused??
Not actually very effective against ki-rin (1 in 31 chance of working)
or Archons (1 in 10 chance of working).
--
Martin Read - my opinions are my own. share them if you wish.
\_\/_/ http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~mpread/dungeonbash/
\ / "tempted white eyes blinded by the night hollow like the towers from the
\/ inside laura's a machine she's burning insane" fields of the nephilim
Ray Dillinger
> Hi All.
>
> So I have this extinctionist Tourist on NAO (wished for the Eye and the
> Eyes), and I just finished creating all possible monsters on the bottom
> level of vlad's tower. Towards the end I noticed an almost exclusive
> creation of Ki-Rin and Archon, so I dug a cockatrice corpse out of an
> ice box I set up earlier (I have about a dozen "on ice") and proceeded
> to make statues of the last hundred monsters I could possibly create on
> that level. It's really cool to stand on a square and see 54 Ki-rin
> statues and 51 Archon statues.
>
> I'm sure some of you already know what's coming next....
>
> I accidentaly cast stone to flesh on the square with all the statues...
> --- --- ---
> |A| |A| |A|
> ---A---A---A---
> |AAAAAA@AAAAAA|
> ----|AAAAAAAAA|----
> |%%A|AAAAAAAAAAAA)|
> |%--|AAAAAAAAA|--[|
> |*|AAAAAAAAAAAAA|.|[
> |)---A---A---A---.|
> |_%%|A|A|A|A|A|._(|
> ---)---A---A---.---
> |_[%%%[A**[[__|
> ---------------
My oh my. That's amazing.
> I'm not that worried, since I can always level-port (I have the Eye),
> head back to my stash and
>
> a) Grab (or write) a spellbook of charm monster
>
> b) Alchemize and quaff those ~600 potions of healing I have - and come
> back to fight
>
> c) Reverse genocide cockatrices
>
> d) Leave and never come back to this level (coward's way out)
e) Leave the nastiest bonesfile ever and laugh maniacally.
Bear
Dragontamer
Martin Read wrote:
> "Dragontamer" <prti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [regarding Vlad's Tower being full of uber-'A's]
> >How about e), read scroll of taming while confused??
>
> Not actually very effective against ki-rin (1 in 31 chance of working)
> or Archons (1 in 10 chance of working).
With that many archons, he'll get a good 4 or 5 of them each scroll :-p
And at least 1 or 2 ki-rins each scroll.
--Dragontamer
blipster8
That would be quite simply insane. I have a mental image of one of my
characters going down, feeling pretty good about himself, and then
suddenly being surrounded by like 500 Archons... I think I'd have to
laugh too, though.
--
David
Altimeter
>
>
> That would be quite simply insane. I have a mental image of one of my
> characters going down, feeling pretty good about himself, and then
> suddenly being surrounded by like 500 Archons... I think I'd have to
> laugh too, though.
>
...even if you don't leave that bones, Knnn, I think somebody should
make it a point to leave bone(s) files like that. :)
Paul E Collins
> ...even if you don't leave that bones, Knnn, I think
> somebody should make it a point to leave bone(s)
> files like that. :)
If you're talking about Hearse, I think they'd get banned pretty
swiftly, although it would be very funny.
Incidentally, who's "Giggles"? That hill orc with the wand of death
made short work of my precious pet titan, and then the jabberwock got
me. First time I've seen a jabberwock outside explore mode, too. Damn
it.
Eq.
ele...@yahoo.com
> If you're talking about Hearse, I think they'd get banned pretty
> swiftly, although it would be very funny.
>
top level of the Mines. Try to deal with that as an XL3 character.
There were at least 3 ghosts there already. I think I saved it to try
again someday.
chuckcar
news:1152218926.7...@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
Just saying - if you can't you can't - I don't know. What about digging
into the wall (?) to your upper right with say a wand of digging. Do
that, retreat a couple squares and only one (well *maybe* two) at a time
that way.
--
(setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
hen...@gmail.com
Jym wrote:
> Maybe you can even teleport those two and get into "safety" quite fast.
I doubt there is any place for them to go. All of the spaces on the
level must be full.
Jack Bolsen
You have 1884hp, -40 AC and 1595/1860 power...and you want an opinion on
whether or not you can melee this mess. I d I would say of course you
can, but I would try to blast my way out of being surrounded just to be
safe.
Jack
Lars Kecke
> Which brings me to my little problem....
>
> *
>
> --- --- ---
> |A| |A| |A|
> ---A---A---A---
> |AAAAAA@AAAAAA|
> ----|AAAAAAAAA|----
> |%%A|AAAAAAAAAAAA)|
> |%--|AAAAAAAAA|--[|
> |*|AAAAAAAAAAAAA|.|[
> |)---A---A---A---.|
> |_%%|A|A|A|A|A|._(|
> ---)---A---A---.---
> |_[%%%[A**[[__|
> ---------------
>
>
> Knnn the Adventurer St:18/** Dx:23 Co:18 In:23 Wi:23 Ch:18 Neutral
> S:12300024 Dlvl:34 $:199 HP:1884(1884) Pw:1595(1860) AC:-40
> Xp:30/135625266 T:129436 Satiated
Wow! Do the guys to the north of you react to a /oD? I know, Archons are
generated with reflection shields, but mayby they were un-wielded by the
stoning/unstoning process. If they do, you might have a space to jump
to. You might even try to shoot yor way to the ice box if those shields
are not in place.
> but I was wondering what you guys thought of my chances at straight up
> melee? I'm #twoweaponing Magicbane +6 and a +5 Silver Saber and I have
> two Archon pets (somewhere).
if you can make it to the niche, it should work out.
Lars
Panu Lahtinen
> Knnn wrote:
>>
>> Here's what the level looks like.... (there are probably more A's
>> beyond the Eyes' line of sight)
>>
>> |A| |A| |A|
>> ---A---A---A---
>> |AAAAAA@AAAAAA|
>> ----|AAAAAAAAA|----
>> |%%A|AAAAAAAAAAAA)|
>> |%--|AAAAAAAAA|--[|
>> |*|AAAAAAAAAAAAA|.|[
>> |)---A---A---A---.|
>> |_%%|A|A|A|A|A|._(|
>> ---)---A---A---.---
>> |_[%%%[A**[[__|
>> ---------------
>>
>>
>>
>> Knnn the Adventurer St:18/** Dx:23 Co:18 In:23 Wi:23 Ch:18 Neutral
>> S:12300024 Dlvl:34 $:199 HP:1884(1884) Pw:1595(1860) AC:-40
>> Xp:30/135625266 T:129436 Satiated
>> a) Grab (or write) a spellbook of charm monster
>>
>> b) Alchemize and quaff those ~600 potions of healing I have - and come
>> back to fight
>>
>> c) Reverse genocide cockatrices
>>
>> d) Leave and never come back to this level (coward's way out)
> You have 1884hp, -40 AC and 1595/1860 power...and you want an opinion on
> whether or not you can melee this mess. I d I would say of course you
> can, but I would try to blast my way out of being surrounded just to be
> safe.
Well said, Jack. And to speed things, put your =Conflict on.
--
Panu
"You haven't really been anywhere until you've got back home",
Twoflower in "The Light Fantastic"
Alexis
ele...@yahoo.com says...
>
> > If you're talking about Hearse, I think they'd get banned pretty
> > swiftly, although it would be very funny.
> >
> People do this. On Hearse. Somebody left a master mind flayer on the
> top level of the Mines.
Unless people are intentionally creating 'set up' bones files, they're
not going to get banned from Hearse, no matter how unpleasant the bones
are. I've certainly left mind flayers (and worse) in the mines before
due to unfortunate experiences with polytraps :(
> Try to deal with that as an XL3 character.
Wand of digging --> straight through the floor
Failing that, you could always run away and then come back to clear the
mines later.
-- A.
--
My email address is hearse[AT]hotpop[DOT]com
Hearse Windows/Unix client: http://hearse.krollmark.com
Hearse announcements: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hearseannounce
Jakob Creutzig
> --- --- ---
> |A| |A| |A|
> ---A---A---A---
> |AAAAAA@AAAAAA|
> ----|AAAAAAAAA|----
> |%%A|AAAAAAAAAAAA)|
> |%--|AAAAAAAAA|--[|
> |*|AAAAAAAAAAAAA|.|[
> |)---A---A---A---.|
> |_%%|A|A|A|A|A|._(|
> ---)---A---A---.---
> |_[%%%[A**[[__|
> ---------------
>
>
>
> Knnn the Adventurer St:18/** Dx:23 Co:18 In:23 Wi:23 Ch:18 Neutral
> S:12300024 Dlvl:34 $:199 HP:1884(1884) Pw:1595(1860) AC:-40
> Xp:30/135625266 T:129436 Satiated
[..]
> but I was wondering what you guys thought of my chances at straight up
> melee?
AFAICS, there are no instadeath threats; hence you could just have a
go and port away the second your HP drop under a threshold of, say,
300 HP. My gut feeling is that if you move up two squares, you should
be pretty well suited for beating them up, particularly if they can't
summon more monsters.
Best,
Jakob
Knnn
> <Stuck with ~100 archon and Ki-rin on first level of Vlad's tower, what to do>
Ray Dillinger wrote:
> e) Leave the nastiest bonesfile ever and laugh maniacally.
blipster8 wrote:
> That would be quite simply insane. I have a mental image of one of my
> characters going down, feeling pretty good about himself, and then
> suddenly being surrounded by like 500 Archons... I think I'd have to
> laugh too, though.
>
> --
>
> David
This is a fun idea, and it feels cool to imagine throwing all of NAO
into a "time of troubles" where nobody could ascend for a month
because they couldn't pass Vlad's tower, but it probably wouldn't
really work that way (does Vlad's tower even leave bone files?). It
might give one or two people the fright (and fight) of their lives (and
about 200 potions of healing, 40 potions of gain level, wand of wishing
and lots of other goodies I have stashed in a chest on this level once
they win), but all you need is a single cockatrice corpse (and remember
that summon nasties ignores extinct species) and you can recreate my
rock garden (you might need 2 corpses because of all the
monsters/summoning). Besides, I have never ascended a
Tourist/Extinctionist yet and I don't plan on doing this again in the
near future (the Extinctionist, not the tourist).
Nah, I think I'll just melee it out this weekend. I just want to save
some screen captures on my home computer to remember this moment.
There's still a chance of YASD from my equipment (Unihorn or BoH)
getting cursed (though I am wielding Magicbane), from sheer hitpoint
loss, or from a YASD of flipping too fast through all the messages I'll
be getting (Slimed/Stoned).
Onward.
knnn.
P.S.
If I die, I'll be sure to post a warning (challenge).
hen...@gmail.com
chuckcar wrote:
> Just saying - if you can't you can't - I don't know. What about digging
> into the wall (?) to your upper right with say a wand of digging. Do
> that, retreat a couple squares and only one (well *maybe* two) at a time
> that way.
>
Walls and floor are undiggable.
Knnn wrote:
>(does Vlad's tower even leave bone files?).
Only the middle level, according to the Nethack Gazetteer.
Little White Mouse
> "Knnn" <kn...@go.com> writes:
>
>> --- --- ---
>> |A| |A| |A|
>> ---A---A---A---
>> |AAAAAA@AAAAAA|
>> ----|AAAAAAAAA|----
>> |%%A|AAAAAAAAAAAA)|
>> |%--|AAAAAAAAA|--[|
>> |*|AAAAAAAAAAAAA|.|[
>> |)---A---A---A---.|
>> |_%%|A|A|A|A|A|._(|
>> ---)---A---A---.---
>> |_[%%%[A**[[__|
>> ---------------
>>
>>
How funny!
>>
>> Knnn the Adventurer St:18/** Dx:23 Co:18 In:23 Wi:23 Ch:18 Neutral
>> S:12300024 Dlvl:34 $:199 HP:1884(1884) Pw:1595(1860) AC:-40
>> Xp:30/135625266 T:129436 Satiated
> [..]
>> but I was wondering what you guys thought of my chances at straight up
>> melee?
>
> AFAICS, there are no instadeath threats; hence you could just have a go
> and port away the second your HP drop under a threshold of, say, 300 HP.
> My gut feeling is that if you move up two squares, you should be pretty
> well suited for beating them up, particularly if they can't summon more
> monsters.
Be aware that some monsters will follow you through an Eye portal - don't
save it 'till you have only 3 hp!!
--LWM
Knnn
So I started trying to melee all those 'A's. On the first turn they
all started summoning monsters, but since the only place to put those
monsters was in solid rock, nearly all of those became Xorns.
Here what it looked like.
XXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXAXXXHXXXAXXX
XXXXAXXX@XXXXXX-
XAAAAAAAAAAAAAX
--XXXAAAAAAAAAXXX--
|%ARXAAAAAAAAX?AA)|
|%-XXAAAAAAAAAXXX[|
|*|AAAAAAAAAAAAA|.|[
|)--XAXXXAXXXAX--.|
|_%%|.X@XA|A|[|._(|
---)---_-X-*---.---
|_[%%%[%**[[__|
---------------
Knnn the Adventurer St:18/** Dx:23 Co:18 In:23 Wi:23 Ch:18 Neutral
S:12310684 Dlvl:34 $:199 HP:1774(1884) Pw:1630(1860) AC:-40
Xp:30/135627931 T:129452 Satia
I tried to get to a corner where my stash was - but accidentally
teleported it away when I tried to teleport the archons in my way.
Didn't find the stash till the end of the battle.
However, since that square was in an Elbereth-marked corner, Getting
there would mean that only the A's would attack me, and once I whittled
them down, I could deal with the Xorns. This didn't exactly work,
since the A's wouldn't come to me, and everytime there was an empty
square, something new would be summoned there. Cockatrice corpses
weren't that great either (though I was deathly afraid of something
wielding one of those against me), because xorns are petrification
resistant. Instead, I had to hack my way to the archons myself. I
used a whole bunch of charges from my wand of fire (charging it once,
and picking up a spare during the fighting) to carve paths of Elbereth
marked squares through the hordes of monsters, just to be able to reach
an A.
The good news was that because of all the extra monsters, I could rest
and heal up in between, since very few monsters were willing to attack
me while I was standing on an E-marked square, though I still kept on
getting dizzy from the occasional Umber Hulk. If I hadn't wished for
the Eyes, things could have been much worse (Archon Radiance).
The monsters in my way never stopped coming, so I put on my ring of
conflict. This finally made it easier to move around and target the
archons and ki-rin. I started walking through the horde, targeting
them one at a time. At one point a bunch of fire giants were created
and left boulders, and the only way I could get through them was
stone-to-flesh, which I was very reluctant to use at first, since this
would just re-animate all those beasts I whacked with the rubber
chicken. In the end I didn't see any other option, and made a note to
kill A's the hard way.
X
XXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXHXXXAXX
XXXXXXXXTXXXxXX-
XXXXXwTxHXAq'XA|
XXXXXXOq@E'YUAXX---
|%ARXXXjH%T'AXccAXX
|RXXXOjYhwYAUAXXX[X
|UXAAgPcPgYgDwAA|.|[
|)XXX@XXXHXXXAXXX.|
|_%JXAXXXAXXXAX._(|
---qXXXcXXXXXX-.---
|_[AcXAXXX[[__|
------X--------
Knnn the Adventurer St:18/** Dx:23 Co:18 In:23 Wi:23 Ch:18 Neutral
S:12778520 Dlvl:34 $:199 HP:1469(1884) Pw:1860(1860) AC:-40
Xp:30/135744890 T:129849 Satia
At this point I almost had a YASD. I had just engraved Elbereth with
my wand of fire, and was trying to get closer to another Ki-rin when I
noticed that my hitpoints were dropping fast (they were at 900). A
closer look showed that I had been confused when trying to engrave, so
the Elbereth didn't come out right. Worse, my Intelligence was at
14... I immediately stopped ignoring the master mind flayer to the
south of me... (I also lost another enchantment of the silver saber
somewhere).
Anyway.
Whacking and hacking....
I finally finished targeting all the archons and ki-rin I could see
(one advantage I had that was that create monster didn't work anymore
on this level , so only they could summon more monsters), and started
slaughtering xorns. They didn't seem to be ending, and at one point I
stepped over a stack of 30 xorns corpses. I was afraid that I had left
behind
some summoner, so I had the bright idea of removing the Eyes and
quaffing a potion of blindness (didn't have a towel along).
A cloud of darkness falls upon you.
XXXXX XXXXXXXX
X XXXXXXXXXX X XX
X XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX X X
XXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXX X
XXX XXXXXXXXXXX XXX XXXX
X XXXXXX-XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
X XXXXXX0XXXXX XXXX XXXX XXXX
--XXXX-[XX-%XXXXXXXXXXXXXX X
XXXX%X00XXX%XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
--X?XXX%%`%X%X|XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
|XXXX[A%X()XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX
|XXXXXX%%XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX X
XX|TXXXXTVDXXX-XX@X XXXXXX XXXX
XA-X-XX--)XXXXXXX*XXXXXXXX XXX
|XXXXwXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXX
-XXX-XXXXXX*XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XX
XXXXXXXXXXXXX%XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXX-XXXXXXXX XXXXX
X X XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX X X
XXXXX XXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXX
XX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXX X
Knnn the Adventurer St:18/** Dx:23 Co:18 In:23 Wi:23 Ch:18 Neutral
S:13259892 Dlvl:34 $:0 HP:1130(1884) Pw:1860(1860) AC:-39
Xp:30/135865228 T:130453 Blind
The only two A's are my pets. (Nearly fully decked out Archons. The
few times I checked them, they seemed to have 90% of their hitpoints).
I breathed a sigh of relief, stood on an Elbereth marked square,
removed the ring of conflict, and started whacking...
...By turn 130775 there was only one xorn left.
Now to clean up. (and hopefully ascend).
Onward!!!
knnn.
chuckcar
news:1152488135.1...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> <<snip tale of 100+ archons and Ki-rin on Vlad's level>
> The only two A's are my pets. (Nearly fully decked out Archons. The
> few times I checked them, they seemed to have 90% of their hitpoints).
> I breathed a sigh of relief, stood on an Elbereth marked square,
> removed the ring of conflict, and started whacking...
>
> ...By turn 130775 there was only one xorn left.
>
> Now to clean up. (and hopefully ascend).
>
> Onward!!!
>
> knnn.
>
>
Geez, That's got to be the meanest battle I've heard of in this group.
Well done. One question though: What race are you? Not that the stats
show that at all - just curious.
Knnn
> > knnn wrote:
> > <<snip tale of 100+ archons and Ki-rin on Vlad's level>
> >
> Well done. One question though: What race are you? Not that the stats
> show that at all - just curious.
>
> --
> (setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
Thanks for the compliment.
I played a human - otherwise I tend to forget and become a cannibal.
Actually, looking at the spoilers shows that a Tourist can only be a
human, so there wasn't much choice in the matter.
knnn.
P.S.
You are talking about the *game* right? In real life I'm a
methane-breathing arachnid.