YAAP: Ronin-Sam-Hum-Mal-Law (illiterate, genoless)
bjnord
Ronin the Daimyo St:25 Dx:18 Co:18 In:18 Wi:18 Ch:18 Lawful
Astral Plane $:0 HP:386(401) Pw:109(109) AC:-19 Xp:22/20090459 T:
47275
Conducts: illiterate, genoless, polyselfless, artiwishless
This was my first samurai ascension, as well as my first illiterate
and first genoless conduct ascension. I haven't played lawful or
combat-focused characters before this, so lots of new experiences.
I want to thank David Damerell for his Object Identification Spoiler,
which I consult regularly in every game, but never as much as I did
for illiterate! The whole combination was quite fun to play. I got a
ridiculous number of wishes given that I couldn't recharge any /oW.
In all of my past ascensions I have read b?oGeno on Water for ; and
again on Astral for L, so I was a little apprehensive, but it turned
out they weren't as bad as I expected. I confess I got very lucky
with finding portals on the planes (given no ?oGD), though I did have
to visit all three altars to win.
[Screen shot and final stats are at the bottom, after the game
timeline
and "lessons learned" (my running notes during the game)]
GAME TIMELINE/NOTES
started as St:15 Dx:14 Co:18 In:13 Wi:7 Ch:8
found [oSpeed, +1 dwarven helm in DL2 armor shop
at Oracle: caught between 12 killer bees (level above), jaguar (level
below)
...in the red, but not quite enough to pray for healing
...managed to kill enough bees with yumi/ya to get +1 XL, bonus HP
...now is when we miss the E-word
Sokoban level 2: had just started a tricky set of moves...
...when *3* soldier ants appeared behind, cutting off only escape
...fortunately only one at a time (this was a close one)
...killed 1st, #pray for heal during 2nd, +1 XL bonus HP during 3rd
...and my reward? /oW (0:2) woo hoo! plus 2 tins of spinach, this
level
now with [oMR and SDSM (AC:-6, Str:18/04)
you'll never guess what I found on Sokoban level 3? yup, another /oW
(0:3)
...sad that I'm lawful/illiterate; PYEC will evade my grasp, no b?
oCharg
Sokoban was "oR version (can't have everything)
...off to the Mines with AC:-11, MR, reflection
Mines were uneventful
throne #2 gave a wish -- got (oH since I have most everything else
DL13 co-aligned temple priest gave AC +3 for first protection
all the way down to Medusa with *no* intrinsics (except initial speed)
...only two floating eyes (left no corpses), etc.
wow... the Medusa titan is peaceful
...first time with titan variant of Medusa as a lawful
back to stash to price-ID/behavior-ID stuff
...so far !oLev is my only way of crossing water
off to do a sacfest: ^magic in same room with altar on DL22
...WOULDN'T you know it: charismatic, magical explosion
...not a single creature to #offer
all the way back up to DL5: ^magic not too far from altar
...this one lasted longer; lots of potions etc., no crowning
...with no /oCrMon and no other ^magic, time to move on
after ID, we now have =oLev =oConf and [oJump
illiterate players do a lot more walking
this game has the most altars (5) and temples (4) I've ever seen
...not including Sanctum and Astral
invisible demilich at Medusa lets me dagger him to death, doesn't
move?
...turns out he was at a dead-end, next to a dart trap; wouldn't
cross it
was *carefully* approaching a mind flayer in a maze, intending ranged
attack
...stepped into line-of-sight to throw daggers, but he threw !oPara
first
...he had time to run up 5 squares, suck my brain once (no grease
yet)
finally got poison res., level above Castle (really, really late)
Medusa + mazes + Castle + VotD: went from XL12 to XL14 just by killing
...then VotD had 2 wraith corpses, so XL16
...met Yeenoghu at the VotD
this game has Ft. Ludios
...soldier had /oDeath, grabbed it after only 1 charge used
...so, this game had 6 thrones total; none gave ID (for luckstone)
...got more protection; wished for a touchstone (to ID luckstone)
another big sacfest
...finally got crowned (still didn't have fire/cold yet)
...only gave Snickersnee before /oCrMon ran out
...found "oESP; /oPoly netted us grease, stethoscope, tooled horn
time for the Quest
...ended up with 5 !oGL, around 25 !oEH: now XL:21 HP:306 AC:-20
...ninja (kunoichi) aren't too bad; joshu, ryoshu are tougher
...those are all samurai XP levels; see xplv-343.txt
...man, look at all the loot this quest yields
...especially wands; don't bother bringing attack wands next time
...quest nemesis died easily to /oDeath
...and then ninja in room grabbed the Tsurugi (whoops!)
...another /oDeath shot, just to be sure; the Tsurugi is mine
decided to ascend with the Tsurugi (rather than wish for Frost Brand)
...as illiterate, can't ?oEW -- looks like +0 Tsurugi does more
damage
thoroughly enjoyed my first lich beheading
..."teleport out of *that*, pal!"
Gehennom
...first time I'm not able to pay off the demon princes
...Asmodeus was wily: alternates /oFire /oCold and attacks
...trickier than usual to beat him to the upstair
...and: had a "oLS, so had to kill him twice
...this is turning out to be "the game of mazes and mind flayers"
...have seen 5 in mazes, so far; 2 at Orcus, 1 at Vlad
...Orcus, in one summon: two arch-liches, two master mind flayers,
...and two black dragons; one disintegrated Orcus (and his /
oDeath)
...well, that was exciting; Tsurugi-bisecting arch-liches FTW
...kept mind flayers at a distance this time
ascension preparation
...wasn't able to get intrinsic teleport control (peaceful tengus)
...first game not using teleportation at all; will ascend without
it
...the game didn't yield a single /oEnli !oEnli or throne/fountain
enli
...a lot of rings/amulets remained unIDed, but nothing crucial
ascension run
...greeted at Sanctum stair by arch-lich, master lich
...stood on stair and bashed them, but they summoned monsters
twice
...disenchanter trapped next to me did -1 to my [oMR (now AC:19)
...one of the monsters was cockatrice though
...lasted for the whole level; made tons of Sanctum statues
...greeted at Vibrating Square by arch-lich
...first time making one peaceful with blessed Book of the Dead
...tally of Rodney
...nervous T:45448 T:45614
...curse aura T:45851 (only got wands)
...force field 44->44 44->45
...nervous T:46068
...force field 31->32
...nervous T:46221
...curse aura T:46343 (got bag of holding, candelabrum)
...nervous T:46584 T:46637
...summoned T:46790
...greeting on Earth T:46880 (one shot /oDeath)
...reappeared on Air T:46970 (one shot /oDeath)
...curse aura @Astral T:47175 (only got wands)
...given that Lawful can get hit harder with force field, that was
lucky
planes
Earth
...crystal ball worked first time; far upper-left corner
Air
...took my time; =oConflict and tooled horn help as always
...got lucky and found the portal with first /oSDD zap
Fire
...crystal ball worked first time, just like conf u?oGD
Water
...first time not reading b?oGeno to kill eels etc.
...with greased [oMR, not as hard as I thought
...really lucky; again found portal with first /oSDD zap
Astral
...first time not reading b?oGeno to kill liches
...made 3 arch-liches peaceful with Book of the Dead
...Famine's in the center
.../oDeath, but wait, his medallion glows! that /oDeath now
empty
...snuck past him, but this altar is neutral; snuck past him
and out
...Book makes arch-liches peaceful, but they still teleport to you
...disadvantage, makes it harder to get around
...Death's on the left
...stethoscope: Death (neutral): Level 36 HP 26(47) AC -5
...wow, that's not many points; Tsurugi killed him in one
blow
...NUTS left is chaotic
...blocking exit: Richard the Arbalester: L 25 HP (193) AC -20
fast
.../oTeleport away
...gonna have to take on Pestilence on the right
..."Eve the invisible Swashbuckler swings her [...] Vorpal
Blade"
...yikes. I wasn't the target; =oConflict for the win
...two /oDeath zaps, bouncing between angel and me
...that's a total of 6 beam transits, and they *all* missed
her
...used /oTeleport to get Eve away
.../oDeath, but wait, Pesty's medallion glows! (unbelievable)
...second /oDeath kills him
.../oTeleport and #jump up to the temple door
..."Dion the invisible Speleologist" blocks the door
...but the Tsurugi bisects him neatly, and we're in
LESSONS LEARNED
wear =oFA, if possible, before moving to mind flayer line-of-sight
...in case he has !oPara
when doing sacfest, check hunger (and eat) before #pray
...otherwise god may fix your hunger, and not give gifts
when playing illiterate, save and bring all ?oCrMon to sacfest
...leave them on the ground; monsters might read them for you? :-)
kill or lure out all other ninja in samurai quest nemesis' room
...otherwise, after /oDeath quest nemesis, another may wield the
Tsurugi
"huge" creatures that can't be bisected:
...Orcus, Geyron, Asmodeus, Demogorgon
...lurker above, trapper
...giants, ettin, titan
...giant eel, electric eel, kraken
...dragons (baby)
...nagas (adult)
"gigantic" creatures that can't be bisected:
...long worm, purple worm
...dragons (adult)
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Ronin the Daimyo St:25 Dx:18 Co:18 In:18 Wi:18 Ch:18 Lawful
Astral Plane $:0 HP:386(401) Pw:109(109) AC:-19 Xp:22/20090459 T:
47275
>==========================================================================<
Amulets
n - an uncursed amulet of ESP (being worn)
A - a blessed amulet of life saving
Weapons
a - the blessed +0 Tsurugi of Muramasa (weapon in hands)
P - 8 blessed +0 elven daggers
Q - a blessed +1 shuriken (in quiver)
Armor
b - a blessed greased fireproof +1 cloak of magic resistance (being
worn)
c - a blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail (being worn)
d - a blessed greased +1 elven leather helm (being worn)
e - a blessed rustproof +2 pair of gauntlets of power named rustproof
(bein
f - a blessed +0 pair of jumping boots (being worn)
Comestibles
p - 2 uncursed K-rations
Scrolls
t - an uncursed scroll of scare monster
Spellbooks
j - the blessed Book of the Dead
Potions
q - 2 blessed potions of full healing
R - a blessed potion of speed
Rings
L - an uncursed ring of levitation
O - an uncursed ring of free action (on left hand)
X - an uncursed ring of conflict (on right hand)
Y - an uncursed ring of free action
Wands
g - a wand of death named empty (0:0)
h - a wand of fire (0:7)
i - a cursed wand of light (0:12)
x - a wand of death named djinni (0:0)
y - a wand of lightning (0:8)
E - a wand of cold (0:7)
T - a wand of teleportation (0:3)
U - a wand of teleportation named empty (0:0)
V - a wand of teleportation named empty (0:0)
Z - a blessed wand of death named blessed /oW (0:3)
Tools
k - an uncursed skeleton key
l - a blessed magic lamp (lit)
s - a blessed greased bag of holding named HOLDING
u - a blessed +0 unicorn horn
v - an uncursed stethoscope
B - an uncursed towel
H - a blessed tooled horn
J - a can of grease (0:16)
K - an uncursed sack named has CANCEL
S - the blessed Bell of Opening (0:1)
Gems
W - a blessed luckstone
>==========================================================================<
Contents of the bag of holding named HOLDING:
a blessed amulet of life saving
a cheap plastic imitation of the Amulet of Yendor
8 blessed +0 elven daggers
a blessed greased +1 elven leather helm
a blessed +0 pair of speed boots
2 uncursed candy bars
an uncursed clove of garlic
an uncursed ichigo
21 uncursed K-rations
an uncursed lizard corpse
an uncursed scroll of scare monster
an uncursed scroll of scare monster
6 potions of holy water
5 blessed potions of full healing
5 blessed potions of speed
an uncursed ring of slow digestion
an uncursed ring of conflict
a wand of cold (0:5)
a blessed wand of cold (0:4)
a wand of cold (0:4)
a wand of cold (0:1)
a wand of fire (0:3)
a wand of fire (0:7)
a wand of fire (0:1)
a wand of fire (0:3)
a wand of lightning (0:7)
a cursed wand of teleportation (0:3)
a can of grease named used (0:4)
an uncursed magic whistle
a blessed +0 unicorn horn
an uncursed agate stone
3 uncursed amber stones
10 uncursed amethyst stones
2 uncursed black opals
an uncursed chrysoberyl stone
2 uncursed citrine stones
6 uncursed diamonds
2 uncursed dilithium crystals
5 uncursed emeralds
2 uncursed fluorite stones
6 uncursed jacinth stones
2 uncursed jade stones
2 uncursed jasper stones
an uncursed jet stone
a blessed luckstone
11 uncursed obsidian stones
an uncursed opal
11 uncursed rubies
4 uncursed sapphires
2 uncursed topaz stones
a blessed touchstone
6 uncursed turquoise stones
>==========================================================================<
Contents of the sack named has CANCEL:
a potion of holy water
a wand of cancellation (0:1)
>==========================================================================<
Final Attributes:
You were the Hand of Elbereth.
You were piously aligned.
You were fire resistant.
You were cold resistant.
You were sleep resistant.
You were disintegration-resistant.
You were shock resistant.
You were poison resistant.
You were magic-protected.
You saw invisible.
You were telepathic.
You were invisible to others.
You were stealthy.
You caused conflict.
You could jump.
You were protected.
You were very fast.
You had reflection.
You had free action.
You were extremely lucky.
You had extra luck.
Good luck did not time out for you.
You survived.
>==========================================================================<
Vanquished creatures:
Asmodeus
Baalzebub
Orcus
Yeenoghu
Juiblex
The Wizard of Yendor (thrice)
Death
Pestilence
9 arch-liches
a high priest
Medusa
Croesus
5 krakens
2 iron golems
5 master liches
9 storm giants
a titan
17 purple worms
3 gray dragons
2 silver dragons
3 red dragons
4 white dragons
2 orange dragons
8 black dragons
8 blue dragons
a green dragon
4 yellow dragons
13 minotaurs
8 jabberwocks
Ashikaga Takauji
7 baluchitheria
6 Angels
4 demiliches
Vlad the Impaler
8 stone golems
5 master mind flayers
[...]
5 mind flayers
[...]
8 air elementals
6 fire elementals
5 earth elementals
8 water elementals
[...]
40 trolls
[...]
48 wraiths
[...]
108 soldiers
2480 creatures vanquished.
>==========================================================================<
Voluntary challenges:
You were illiterate.
You never genocided any monsters.
You never changed form.
You used 12 wishes.
You did not wish for any artifacts.
You never invoked the word of protection.
You wasted 1d 47m of time.
>==========================================================================<
Sayonara Ronin the Demigod...
You went to your reward with 3997810 points,
The Tsurugi of Muramasa (worth 4500 zorkmids and 11250 points)
The Book of the Dead (worth 10000 zorkmids and 25000 points)
The Bell of Opening (worth 5000 zorkmids and 12500 points)
11 rubies (worth 38500 zorkmids),
11 obsidian stones (worth 2200 zorkmids),
10 amethyst stones (worth 6000 zorkmids),
6 diamonds (worth 24000 zorkmids),
6 jacinth stones (worth 19500 zorkmids),
6 turquoise stones (worth 12000 zorkmids),
5 emeralds (worth 12500 zorkmids),
4 sapphires (worth 12000 zorkmids),
3 amber stones (worth 3000 zorkmids),
2 dilithium crystals (worth 9000 zorkmids),
2 black opals (worth 5000 zorkmids),
2 citrine stones (worth 3000 zorkmids),
2 topaz stones (worth 1800 zorkmids),
2 jasper stones (worth 1000 zorkmids),
2 fluorite stones (worth 800 zorkmids),
2 jade stones (worth 600 zorkmids),
1 jet stone (worth 850 zorkmids),
1 opal (worth 800 zorkmids),
1 chrysoberyl stone (worth 700 zorkmids),
1 agate stone (worth 200 zorkmids),
2 amulets of life saving (worth 300 zorkmids),
1 amulet of ESP (worth 150 zorkmids),
1 cheap plastic imitation of the Amulet of Yendor (worth 0
zorkmids),
and 0 pieces of gold, after 47275 moves.
You were level 22 with a maximum of 401 hit points when you ascended.
James Of Tucson
> 7TH ASCENSION GAME SUMMARY ("Lawful v. Liches")
> ...sad that I'm lawful/illiterate; PYEC will evade my grasp, no b?
> oCharg
Congratulations. I never thought about the consequences of being
illiterate for wishes before.
James
> 7TH ASCENSION GAME SUMMARY ("Lawful v. Liches")
> Conducts: illiterate, genoless, polyselfless, artiwishless
> This was my first samurai ascension, as well as my first
> illiterate and first genoless conduct ascension. I haven't
> played lawful or combat-focused characters before this, so
> lots of new experiences. I want to thank David Damerell for
> his Object Identification Spoiler, which I consult regularly
> in every game, but never as much as I did for illiterate! The
> whole combination was quite fun to play. I got a ridiculous
> number of wishes given that I couldn't recharge any /oW.
> In all of my past ascensions I have read b?oGeno on Water for
> ; and again on Astral for L, so I was a little apprehensive,
Interesting. I've done genocideless at least once; I didn't get
a scroll of genocide until very late in the game, and by then it
didn't seem worth the bother. I can see the use of genociding ;
on water (once you're there, so they've already been generated),
although I've never found it particularly necessary, but if
you've gotten to Astral without genociding L, I'm not sure I see
the point there. At least, I've never been bothered by L any
more than by other things on Astral.
> but it turned out they weren't as bad as I expected. I confess
> I got very lucky with finding portals on the planes (given no
> ?oGD), though I did have to visit all three altars to win.
[...]
> ...killed 1st, #pray for heal during 2nd, +1 XL bonus HP during 3rd
> ...and my reward? /oW (0:2)
Just curious, but how did you determine that the wand was 0:2,
being illiterate? I'm probably missing something, but the only
ways I know of getting this information are by reading a scroll
of identity, or casting a spell of identity (which would mean
having read the spellbook).
--
James Kanze
G-Mon
news:6dbbf8a9-f3cb-40aa...@t2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com
:
> On Nov 3, 6:28 pm, bjnord <bjn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 7TH ASCENSION GAME SUMMARY ("Lawful v. Liches")
>
> [...]
>> ...killed 1st, #pray for heal during 2nd, +1 XL bonus HP during
>> 3rd ...and my reward? /oW (0:2)
>
> Just curious, but how did you determine that the wand was 0:2,
> being illiterate? I'm probably missing something, but the only
> ways I know of getting this information are by reading a scroll
> of identity, or casting a spell of identity (which would mean
> having read the spellbook).
Zapping it until "Nothing happens"? Of course, there is a 1/121 chance
of accidentally wresting the last wish from the 0:0 wand this way
(near-meaningless in an illiterate game).
bjnord
> On 05 Nov 2009, James <james.ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 6:28 pm, bjnord <bjn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> ...and my reward? /oW (0:2)
>
> > Just curious, but how did you determine that the wand was 0:2,
> > being illiterate?
>
Exactly. I knew from how many wishes the wands gave.
> Of course, there is a 1/121 chance
> of accidentally wresting the last wish from the 0:0 wand this way
But when this happens, you're told (whether it happens immediately, or
after you've leaned on the "z" key for a long time). And yes, I did
wrest the wishes out of both wands.
James
> On 05 Nov 2009, James <james.ka...@gmail.com> wrote innews:6dbbf8a9-f3cb-40aa...@t2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com
> :
But this still doesn't tell you whether it's 0:2 or 1:2.
--
James Kanze
TJR
> > 1/121 chance of accidentally wresting the last wish from the
> > 0:0 wand this way (near-meaningless in an illiterate game).
>
> But this still doesn't tell you whether it's 0:2 or 1:2.
In vanilla Nethack, already-recharged wands can enter the game only
through bones files.
David Damerell
>On Nov 3, 6:28 pm, bjnord <bjn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>lots of new experiences. I want to thank David Damerell for
>>his Object Identification Spoiler, which I consult regularly
>>in every game, but never as much as I did for illiterate!
Smug face.
I'm not sure I consult it often but much of it is in my head.
>> ...and my reward? /oW (0:2)
>Just curious, but how did you determine that the wand was 0:2,
>being illiterate?
Zap it three times?
--
David Damerell <dame...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> flcl?
Today is Stilday, October - a weekend.
Tomorrow will be Gorgonzoladay, October - a weekend.
Janis Papanagnou
> GAME TIMELINE/NOTES
>
> you'll never guess what I found on Sokoban level 3? yup, another /oW
> (0:3)
I wonder about your inventory note...
>
> Z - a blessed wand of death named blessed /oW (0:3)
>
Why didn't you name the /WoW instead of the /WoD? (Or just a mistake?)
> all the way down to Medusa with *no* intrinsics (except initial speed)
> [...]
> ...so far !oLev is my only way of crossing water
What about the two scrolls of earth from Sokoban?
> was *carefully* approaching a mind flayer in a maze, intending ranged
> attack
> ...stepped into line-of-sight to throw daggers, but he threw !oPara
> first
> ...he had time to run up 5 squares, suck my brain once (no grease
> yet)
Good that an illiterate can't forget too much. :-)
> time for the Quest
> ...ended up with 5 !oGL, around 25 !oEH: now XL:21 HP:306 AC:-20
Done alchemy?
> ...tally of Rodney
> [few incidents]
> ...given that Lawful can get hit harder with force field, that was
> lucky
Sometime I get the impression that the force implemented wrongly, not
as intended. (But that's certainly just because the RNG is biased.)
> planes
> Earth
> ...crystal ball worked first time; far upper-left corner
> Fire
> ...crystal ball worked first time, just like conf u?oGD
I had bad experience with crystal balls; immobility up to 10 turns!
Very risky. Not nice on the Planes.
> Astral
> ...Famine's in the center
> .../oDeath, but wait, his medallion glows! that /oDeath now
> empty
> ...gonna have to take on Pestilence on the right
> .../oDeath, but wait, Pesty's medallion glows! (unbelievable)
Man, that sucks!
> LESSONS LEARNED
>
> Tsurugi
> "huge" creatures that can't be bisected:
> ...giant eel, electric eel, kraken
Interesting.
> "gigantic" creatures that can't be bisected:
> ...long worm, [...]
"bisection" should work in some sense ;-)
Janis
Janis Papanagnou
> bjnord wrote:
>
>> all the way down to Medusa with *no* intrinsics (except initial speed)
>> [...]
>> ...so far !oLev is my only way of crossing water
>
> What about the two scrolls of earth from Sokoban?
Argh - you've done it illiterate! - forget my question.
> Janis
bjnord
wrote:
> I wonder about your inventory note...
>
> > Z - a blessed wand of death named blessed /oW (0:3)
>
> Why didn't you name the /WoW instead of the /WoD? (Or just a
> mistake?)
That means "wand of death, gotten from the wand of wishing". I
ended up with so many extra wishes, I wished for two wands of
death (after the black dragon disintegrated the Orcus one).
Since I couldn't recharge them, or even know their status, I
wanted to make sure I had enough for Rodney and Astral.
> > was *carefully* approaching a mind flayer in a maze [...]
> > ...[...] threw !oPara [...]
> > ...he had time to run up 5 squares, suck my brain once
>
> Good that an illiterate can't forget too much. :-)
Well, you can't forget learned spells (since you don't know
any), but you still forget several things you've painstakingly
IDed via price/behavior testing, as well as several levels of
the dungeon that you can't magically remap. This was a bit of
a pain; it's been a long time since a MF got the drop on me,
but this one sure did.
> > time for the Quest
> > ...ended up with 5 !oGL, around 25 !oEH: now XL:21 HP:306
>
> Done alchemy?
Always. I am as covetous of potions as demons are of the amulet.
"The orc seems more experienced" makes me indignant every time.
("That was *my* !oGL") ;-) Well, it makes it more fun when I
kill them fast enough to score one.
> > planes
> > Earth
> > ...crystal ball worked first time; far upper-left corner
> > Fire
> > ...crystal ball worked first time, just like conf u?oGD
>
> I had bad experience with crystal balls; immobility up to 10
> turns! Very risky. Not nice on the Planes.
Maybe I underestimated the risk, but I determined in advance
that I would use the ball only on Earth, and on Fire iff there
was no archon in range. Given the trance, I would not have used
it on Air or Water; I saved my one /oSDD and the (oOpen for
those planes. If I had found even two /oSDD I would have dropped
the ball, for weight if no other reason. It's not ideal.
> > Astral
> > ...Famine's in the center
> > .../oDeath, but wait, his medallion glows!
> > ...gonna have to take on Pestilence on the right
> > .../oDeath, but wait, Pesty's medallion glows!
> > (unbelievable)
>
> Man, that sucks!
I thought so. :-) If you have to visit 3 altars, two riders
with "oLS is a bit cruel. At least with the 3rd altar, you
know you aren't coming back, and can expend all remaining
resources getting in.
Pat Rankin
> On Nov 3, 6:28 pm, bjnord <bjn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...and my reward? /oW (0:2)
>
> Just curious, but how did you determine that the wand was 0:2,
> being illiterate? I'm probably missing something, but the only
> ways I know of getting this information are by reading a scroll
> of identity, or casting a spell of identity (which would mean
> having read the spellbook).
Others have addressed how to deduce the charge count,
but I haven't seen anyone else mention that one possible
result of sitting on a throne is, "You are granted an insight!"
That's approximately equivalent to reading a blessed scroll
of identify (one of the minor differences being that it won't
violate illiterate conduct :-).
David Damerell
> Others have addressed how to deduce the charge count,
>but I haven't seen anyone else mention that one possible
>result of sitting on a throne is, "You are granted an insight!"
Ho, hum, so much for being done with the ID spoiler. :-)
--
David Damerell <dame...@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
And now, a seemingly inexplicable shot of a passing train.
Today is Teleute, November.
Tomorrow will be Oneiros, November.
TJR
> > being illiterate? I'm probably missing something, but the only
> result of sitting on a throne is, "You are granted an insight!"
> That's approximately equivalent to reading a blessed scroll
> of identify (one of the minor differences being that it won't
> violate illiterate conduct :-).
Uncursed, not blessed. And the probability of this outcome is so low I
do not find thrones worthwhile in general.
Janis Papanagnou
> [Pat:]
>> result of sitting on a throne is, "You are granted an insight!"
>> That's approximately equivalent to reading a blessed scroll
>> of identify (one of the minor differences being that it won't
>> violate illiterate conduct :-).
>
> Uncursed, not blessed.
(Careful with your statements if trying to correct Pat.)
A *blessed* scroll will identify the same amount as a throne; either
all your inventory, or up to 4 items.
An non-cursed scroll will behave like a blessed scroll only with a
1-in-5 probability, otherwise it will identify only a single item.
Janis
TJR
wrote:
Oops, you're right. However, as opposed to a throne, a blessed scroll
will always identify at least two items if your Luck is positive.
bjnord
> I haven't seen anyone else mention that one possible
> result of sitting on a throne is, "You are granted an insight!"
> That's approximately equivalent to reading a blessed scroll
> of identify (one of the minor differences being that it won't
> violate illiterate conduct :-).
That's right; it's a 1/13 chance. So it's good policy to put
away any gold, but have some unidentified items in your main
inventory, before #sit'ting on the throne. thrn-343.txt says
"Items in inventory are NOT at risk of explosion." so you can
have unIDed wands and rings.
Also: Quaffing at a non-magic fountain can give enlightenment
(1/30 chance). (As David Damerell mentions in the ID spoiler,
enlightenment can help you ID worn amulets and rings.) Of
course, you also get a 1/30 chance of cursing things in your
inventory, so this doesn't seem worthwhile.
Sadly, in this my first illiterate game, I didn't find any
!oEnli or /oEnli and no throne gave an ID.
A few other misc. notes that weren't in the ID spoiler; first
two can be risky if you're not prepared for the consequences:
- You can identify =oFA by hitting a gelcube or similar ("You
stiffen momentarily.").
- You can identify =oSD by the fact that purple worms, lurkers
above, etc. will spit you out ("doesn't like your taste"). I
have seen that message a lot, and it never dawned on me why
(duh). TDTTOE
- You can identify /oSDD by the fact that it's the only NODIR
wand that produces no obvious effect. Kieron Dunbar's wand ID
spoiler mentions this.
1. Use the techniques described in the ID spoiler to identify
other no-engrave wands like open, lock, etc. by zapping
them at specific things.
2. When zapping the no-engrave wands, watch for one that
doesn't ask for a direction, and does nothing (meaning:
does not produce any message or visible effect). That's
/oSDD.
3. Of course, this depends on the wand's charges; once you
see "Nothing happens." that wand is empty, and you can't
test it further.
Janis Papanagnou
>>> [Pat:]
>>>> That's approximately equivalent to [...]
> Oops, you're right. However, as opposed to a throne, a blessed scroll
> will always identify at least two items if your Luck is positive.
That, I assume, is why Pat wrote "approximately".
Janis
Richard Bos
> > > Just curious, but how did you determine that the wand was 0:2,
> > > being illiterate? =A0I'm probably missing something, but the only
>
> > result of sitting on a throne is, "You are granted an insight!"
> > That's approximately equivalent to reading a blessed scroll
> > of identify (one of the minor differences being that it won't
> > violate illiterate conduct :-).
>
> Uncursed, not blessed.
No, blessed. Approximately. 1/5th chance of 1 - 4 or all objects. That
is the same outcome as for a blessed scroll, with some differences in
the details. Uncursed would be 21/25th chance of 1 object, and 1/25th of
2 - 4 or all.
> And the probability of this outcome is so low I
> do not find thrones worthwhile in general.
Consider, then, that you can continue sitting on the throne until
something happens; that the negative outcomes are either trivial or
trivially circumvented; and that there are other, occasionally very
useful outcomes. I would say that thrones are certainly worth sitting
on. They're not the most spectacular resource in the game, that's true,
but there is no good reason not to sit on any throne you come across.
Richard