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derekt75
Oct 26, 2012, 1:07:02 AM10/26/12
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Due to general idiocy, my tank of a valk accidentally woke up Rodney.
I'm not quite ready to ascend, since I haven't done Vlad's tower or mapped a bunch of Gehennom levels.
I have a full ascension kit at my stash on DL 16.
I have a few wishes left, so I can wish up most anything that my stash is missing. I also have an empty but uncharged magic marker. I know almost all spells and at XL 27 with a robe can cast many things effectively.
One option is I can just kill Rodney and go for it. Since I have more than a dozen scrolls of teleport, I can curse them and levelport nearly at will. I also have a half dozen scrolls of magic mapping, and can write more with my marker (or wish for another marker).
Given that, I think I should be able to do Vlad's tower and find the remaining upstairs in less than 1000 turns.
I guess I was planning to spend more time polypiling for wands of teleport and potions of gain level and what not, but there's no real reason for this.
So, my question is:
can I leave Rodney behind somewhere until I feel like dealing with him?
I tried using the Orb of Fate to escape, and he followed. Riding a fast ki-rin, I stepped away from him and went down the stairs. Since he wasn't next to me before I went down the stairs nor after I went down them I thought I had escaped. until the next turn when he showed up again and made my head ache very painfully.
I do have a wand of polymorph and a ring of polycontrol. Should I try to slime him?
I do have a Stormbringer in my stash, and I can also cast drain life easily.
If simply running away from him won't work, I'm leaning toward just wand of death-ing him and getting on with my ascension.
thoughts?
thanks,
Derek
I'm not quite ready to ascend, since I haven't done Vlad's tower or mapped a bunch of Gehennom levels.
I have a full ascension kit at my stash on DL 16.
I have a few wishes left, so I can wish up most anything that my stash is missing. I also have an empty but uncharged magic marker. I know almost all spells and at XL 27 with a robe can cast many things effectively.
One option is I can just kill Rodney and go for it. Since I have more than a dozen scrolls of teleport, I can curse them and levelport nearly at will. I also have a half dozen scrolls of magic mapping, and can write more with my marker (or wish for another marker).
Given that, I think I should be able to do Vlad's tower and find the remaining upstairs in less than 1000 turns.
I guess I was planning to spend more time polypiling for wands of teleport and potions of gain level and what not, but there's no real reason for this.
So, my question is:
can I leave Rodney behind somewhere until I feel like dealing with him?
I tried using the Orb of Fate to escape, and he followed. Riding a fast ki-rin, I stepped away from him and went down the stairs. Since he wasn't next to me before I went down the stairs nor after I went down them I thought I had escaped. until the next turn when he showed up again and made my head ache very painfully.
I do have a wand of polymorph and a ring of polycontrol. Should I try to slime him?
I do have a Stormbringer in my stash, and I can also cast drain life easily.
If simply running away from him won't work, I'm leaning toward just wand of death-ing him and getting on with my ascension.
thoughts?
thanks,
Derek
Janis Papanagnou
Oct 26, 2012, 5:31:02 AM10/26/12
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Am 26.10.2012 07:07, schrieb derekt75:
> So, my question is:
> can I leave Rodney behind somewhere until I feel like dealing with him?
Short answer: no.
> So, my question is:
> can I leave Rodney behind somewhere until I feel like dealing with him?
> thoughts?
Get the Candelabrum quickly, pick up your Kit, and continue.
Practically, there's no much difference; you will just meet
Him a few more times, meanwhile.
You already have wands of death? (Otherwise wish for one.)
BTW, been there as well; in my case some MF on the level woke
him up before I even found the VS. A bit thrilling in the
first moment, but nothing to really worry about; He's just a
powerful wizard, and you are "The Apocalyptic Rider War". ;-)
Janis
bcode
Oct 26, 2012, 12:06:45 PM10/26/12
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Janis Papanagnou <janis_pa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Am 26.10.2012 07:07, schrieb derekt75:
>> So, my question is:
>> can I leave Rodney behind somewhere until I feel like dealing with him?
>
> Short answer: no.
He isn't going to return unless you kill him or perform the
> Am 26.10.2012 07:07, schrieb derekt75:
>> So, my question is:
>> can I leave Rodney behind somewhere until I feel like dealing with him?
>
> Short answer: no.
invocation. (After doing that, u.uevent.udemigod is true, so he can
return with "So thou thoughst thou couldst elude me, fool.")
derekt75
Oct 26, 2012, 1:00:06 PM10/26/12
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On Friday, October 26, 2012 9:06:46 AM UTC-7, bcode wrote:
How do I leave him behind though?
Stand on the downstairs, zap him with a wand of teleport, and then press down?
Stand on the downstairs, zap him with a wand of teleport, and then press down?
G-Mon
Oct 26, 2012, 1:35:16 PM10/26/12
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On 26 Oct 2012, derekt75 <derek.t...@anritsu.com> wrote in
news:c12602ad-bfbe-48dd...@googlegroups.com:
> How do I leave him behind though?
> Stand on the downstairs, zap him with a wand of teleport, and then
> press down?
Have you killed Rodney *at all* up to this point? If so, then there's
no way to indefinitely leave him behind; he can revive with "So thou
thought thou couldst kill/elude me, fool." (As bcode said, you're in
the same situation if you've performed the Invocation.) If not, that's
your best bet; just make sure Rodney doesn't warp to you before using
the stairs.
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news:c12602ad-bfbe-48dd...@googlegroups.com:
> How do I leave him behind though?
> Stand on the downstairs, zap him with a wand of teleport, and then
> press down?
no way to indefinitely leave him behind; he can revive with "So thou
thought thou couldst kill/elude me, fool." (As bcode said, you're in
the same situation if you've performed the Invocation.) If not, that's
your best bet; just make sure Rodney doesn't warp to you before using
the stairs.
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ATTENTION:
Our trolls are kept on a very strict diet.
Please do not feed them.
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Doug Freyburger
Oct 26, 2012, 2:56:31 PM10/26/12
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derekt75 wrote:
>
> Due to general idiocy, my tank of a valk accidentally woke up Rodney.
> I'm not quite ready to ascend, since I haven't done Vlad's tower or mapped a bunch of Gehennom levels.
Ready or not it's time now.
>
> Due to general idiocy, my tank of a valk accidentally woke up Rodney.
> I'm not quite ready to ascend, since I haven't done Vlad's tower or mapped a bunch of Gehennom levels.
> So, my question is:
> can I leave Rodney behind somewhere until I feel like dealing with him?
items ASAP and head for the planes.
Reversing the order of two of your questions for a reason ...
> If simply running away from him won't work, I'm leaning toward just wand of death-ing him and getting on with my ascension.
immune.
> I do have a Stormbringer in my stash, and I can also cast drain life easily.
term use Stormy. He gains a level at each reincarnation. Stormy drains
a level each hit. Eventually he gets drained to the point he gets easy
to kill. He never does hit less hard, though.
bcode
Oct 26, 2012, 4:23:59 PM10/26/12
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Doug Freyburger <dfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> derekt75 wrote:
>> Due to general idiocy, my tank of a valk accidentally woke up Rodney.
[...]
> derekt75 wrote:
>> Due to general idiocy, my tank of a valk accidentally woke up Rodney.
>> I do have a Stormbringer in my stash, and I can also cast drain life easily.
Mostly unrelated note:
Drain life will only work once he's lower-level already; his monster MR
is 100, and his starting level is 30 (or higher for future incarnations).
[...]
> On the other hand any time you must face him in melee even for a single
> term use Stormy. He gains a level at each reincarnation. Stormy drains
> a level each hit. Eventually he gets drained to the point he gets easy
> to kill. He never does hit less hard, though.
AFAICT each Wizard of Yendor is actually a separate monster, and
drained levels are not saved in any specific way.
derekt75
Oct 26, 2012, 4:56:00 PM10/26/12
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On Friday, October 26, 2012 10:35:16 AM UTC-7, G-Mon wrote:
> On 26 Oct 2012, derekt75 wrote in
> On 26 Oct 2012, derekt75 wrote in
> > How do I leave him behind though?
> > Stand on the downstairs, zap him with a wand of teleport, and then
> > press down?
>
> Have you killed Rodney *at all* up to this point? If so, then there's
> no way to indefinitely leave him behind; he can revive with "So thou
> thought thou couldst kill/elude me, fool." (As bcode said, you're in
> the same situation if you've performed the Invocation.) If not, that's
> your best bet; just make sure Rodney doesn't warp to you before using
> the stairs.
I haven't killed him yet, no.
> > Stand on the downstairs, zap him with a wand of teleport, and then
> > press down?
>
> Have you killed Rodney *at all* up to this point? If so, then there's
> no way to indefinitely leave him behind; he can revive with "So thou
> thought thou couldst kill/elude me, fool." (As bcode said, you're in
> the same situation if you've performed the Invocation.) If not, that's
> your best bet; just make sure Rodney doesn't warp to you before using
> the stairs.
Doug Freyburger
Oct 26, 2012, 7:23:11 PM10/26/12
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bcode wrote:
I've used Stormy against Rodney he seems to die with fewer whacks as the
end game progresses. It sure looks like each new incarnation is leveled
up from his max hit points at his death. Level drain reduces max hit
points as well as current.
> Doug Freyburger <dfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On the other hand any time you must face him in melee even for a single
>> term use Stormy. He gains a level at each reincarnation. Stormy drains
>> a level each hit. Eventually he gets drained to the point he gets easy
>> to kill. He never does hit less hard, though.
>
> Clarification - level-drain will not affect future Wizards of Yendor.
> AFAICT each Wizard of Yendor is actually a separate monster, and
> drained levels are not saved in any specific way.
Has anyone who read the source figured this out in detail? Every time
>
>> On the other hand any time you must face him in melee even for a single
>> term use Stormy. He gains a level at each reincarnation. Stormy drains
>> a level each hit. Eventually he gets drained to the point he gets easy
>> to kill. He never does hit less hard, though.
>
> Clarification - level-drain will not affect future Wizards of Yendor.
> AFAICT each Wizard of Yendor is actually a separate monster, and
> drained levels are not saved in any specific way.
I've used Stormy against Rodney he seems to die with fewer whacks as the
end game progresses. It sure looks like each new incarnation is leveled
up from his max hit points at his death. Level drain reduces max hit
points as well as current.
Topi Linkala
Oct 27, 2012, 4:20:48 AM10/27/12
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27.10.2012 2:23, Doug Freyburger kirjoitti:
by how many times he has died and then capped to 49. The maxhp in case
of wizard is solely depending of his level.
Topi
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> bcode wrote:
> Has anyone who read the source figured this out in detail? Every time
> I've used Stormy against Rodney he seems to die with fewer whacks as the
> end game progresses. It sure looks like each new incarnation is leveled
> up from his max hit points at his death. Level drain reduces max hit
> points as well as current.
Quick dive tells us that when a new wizard is made it's level is raised
> Has anyone who read the source figured this out in detail? Every time
> I've used Stormy against Rodney he seems to die with fewer whacks as the
> end game progresses. It sure looks like each new incarnation is leveled
> up from his max hit points at his death. Level drain reduces max hit
> points as well as current.
by how many times he has died and then capped to 49. The maxhp in case
of wizard is solely depending of his level.
Topi
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always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
- Bertrand Russell
"How come he didn't put 'I think' at the end of it?" - Anonymous
derekt75
Nov 5, 2012, 6:25:57 PM11/5/12
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On Friday, October 26, 2012 10:35:16 AM UTC-7, G-Mon wrote:
> On 26 Oct 2012, derekt75 wrote in
>
> news:c12602ad-bfbe-48dd...@googlegroups.com:
>
> > How do I leave him behind though?
> > Stand on the downstairs, zap him with a wand of teleport, and then
> > press down?
>
> Have you killed Rodney *at all* up to this point? If so, then there's
> no way to indefinitely leave him behind; he can revive with "So thou
> thought thou couldst kill/elude me, fool." (As bcode said, you're in
> the same situation if you've performed the Invocation.) If not, that's
> your best bet; just make sure Rodney doesn't warp to you before using
> the stairs.
>
Yes, this worked well. He played with his newly stolen Bell of Opening on Lvl 15 while I mapped out the rest of Gehennom. Then I went back to claim my bell and book when I was ready.
> news:c12602ad-bfbe-48dd...@googlegroups.com:
>
> > How do I leave him behind though?
> > Stand on the downstairs, zap him with a wand of teleport, and then
> > press down?
>
> Have you killed Rodney *at all* up to this point? If so, then there's
> no way to indefinitely leave him behind; he can revive with "So thou
> thought thou couldst kill/elude me, fool." (As bcode said, you're in
> the same situation if you've performed the Invocation.) If not, that's
> your best bet; just make sure Rodney doesn't warp to you before using
> the stairs.
>
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