No Excalibur?

7aboir

unread,

Oct 21, 2009, 4:07:37 PM10/21/09

to

...following the "no magicbane?" thread, I have a similar question
regarding Excalibur.
I'm a lawful dwarvish caveman going for a somehow extectionist game.
Xp:30 / T:158649 right now, and I tried to dip for excalibur.
No luck. Not anymore fountains in the whole dungeon, now, and no
Excalibur.
Is this probablility to get it from dipping for it also based on the
number of weapon I already found? Thought it was not the case. Else it
has been generated or the RNG is working hard?
Well just modifying autopickup_exception in order to pick it up for the
first case (I'm just in the process to dig all diggable walls in the
whole dungeon, Dlvl36 for now) and then may be pickup everything and do
just few massive polymorph (polyless yet), so I will probably know for
sure (in a while).
if it's the other one, I still just can get crowned while wielding a long
sword I guess.. (managed to not get crowned yet!) (I may change
alignement after this to get other artifacts). Extinctionist game... I've
plenty of time in front of me! (till the YASD)

Any thoughts as I'm too lazy to souce dive this?
Thanks eveybody!

Janis Papanagnou

unread,

Oct 21, 2009, 4:42:20 PM10/21/09

to

7aboir wrote:
> ...following the "no magicbane?" thread, I have a similar question
> regarding Excalibur.
> I'm a lawful dwarvish caveman going for a somehow extectionist game.
> Xp:30 / T:158649 right now, and I tried to dip for excalibur.
> No luck. Not anymore fountains in the whole dungeon, now, and no
> Excalibur.
> Is this probablility to get it from dipping for it also based on the
> number of weapon I already found? Thought it was not the case. Else it
> has been generated or the RNG is working hard?

Here's the condition...

if (obj->otyp == LONG_SWORD && obj->quan == 1L
&& u.ulevel >= 5 && !rn2(6)
&& !obj->oartifact
&& !exist_artifact(LONG_SWORD, artiname(ART_EXCALIBUR))) {

A plain 1-in-6 chance if the other conditions are met.

Janis

Derek Ray

unread,

Oct 21, 2009, 7:38:07 PM10/21/09

to

The most important condition here is, as the OP has already suspected,
the last line. After 150k turns and exhausting all fountains in the
dungeon, it is extremely likely that Excalibur has actually been
generated somewhere else already (_most_ likely in a bones file) --
though the way to confirm this, of course, is go finish getting crowned
with longsword in hand. If you don't get Excalibur, it exists in the
game already somewhere.

If you found bones, go check the bones levels with potions of object
detection. That will turn it up if it's in... an "unusual" location.

--
Derek

Game info and change log: http://sporkhack.com
Beta Server: telnet://sporkhack.com
IRC: irc.freenode.net, #sporkhack

James Of Tucson

unread,

Oct 21, 2009, 9:08:35 PM10/21/09

to

On Oct 21, 1:07 pm, 7aboir <7ab...@lebarducoin.fr> wrote:

> Any thoughts

Rather have Frostbrand anyway?

JoaoSantos

unread,

Oct 22, 2009, 10:37:42 AM10/22/09

to

On Oct 21, 9:07 pm, 7aboir <7ab...@lebarducoin.fr> wrote:
[...]

> Any thoughts as I'm too lazy to souce dive this?

That is a very curious level of laziness: too lazy to check the code,
not lazy enough to go through an extinctionist game (eh, who am I to
talk of others?).
solidsnail

7aboir

unread,

Oct 22, 2009, 5:00:50 PM10/22/09

to

Derek Ray <de...@moot.its.only.a.spamtrap.org> wrote in
news:slrnhdv6qv...@still.just.a.spamtrap.org:

>
> If you found bones, go check the bones levels with potions of object
> detection. That will turn it up if it's in... an "unusual" location.

No bones at all in this game (IIRC) (It's being a while I started it). and
unusual locations are almost all been searched for...
Well, still probablities that I found it somewhere, on the ground, or
unless get crowned for it.

7aboir

unread,

Oct 22, 2009, 5:04:14 PM10/22/09

to

James Of Tucson <james0...@gmail.com> wrote in news:a7241dd4-5344-4c20-
9801-861...@w37g2000prg.googlegroups.com:

> On Oct 21, 1:07�pm, 7aboir <7ab...@lebarducoin.fr> wrote:
>
>> Any thoughts
>
>
> Rather have Frostbrand anyway?
>

think I already have it, not sure, as many artifacts are in my stash
somewhere around dlvl3... OTOH all unaligned artifacts should be earned in
before this game ends.... or YASD.

7aboir

unread,

Oct 22, 2009, 5:20:29 PM10/22/09

to

JoaoSantos <joao.s...@gmail.com> wrote in news:b95ddbcc-64d0-4b16-
82f6-f01...@m13g2000vbf.googlegroups.com:

To answer your last question, you are a better player than myself as far
as I can say! (therefore legitimate to answer)
To the first one, dropping few lines into rgrn seems to answer my
question! (probably RNG kidding me). Therefore laziness! (BTW tanks to
all others that answers me).
And to your main question regarding exctinctionism (IMHO and the way I
play it) is not at all like diving into code: nothing to think while
playing.
For instance I do not especially want to get necessary wishes in order to
extinct mail deamons. I'm too lazy for this. I'm not probably going for
an extreme extinction... We'll see.

Cheers!

Ray Kulhanek

unread,

Nov 19, 2009, 4:07:53 AM11/19/09

to

You might want to check that Excalibur isn't one of the artifacts in
your stash before you excavate the entire dungeon. If you have that
many in there, it's entirely possible you just didn't notice the name.