Theta's Devnull Low Scoring Ascension
HanClinto
Devnull, and I browse over to the scoreboards to check out the current
low-scoring ascension.
Lowest Scored Ascension
Name Points Attributes Completed Turns Time Days Conduct
Server
theta 25360 Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha ascended to demigod-hood 39701
33:28:40 3 6 California (1)
*Whoa*!
25,360 points -- that's like... crazy low and stuff. My lowest are
25,725 and 25,540. Alt.org's lowest-scoring-ascension list is
currently broken, so I can't compare it to NAO's absolute lowest, but
*wow*. In case anyone's curious, the theoretical limit is 24900
points. Theta was only 460 points above that.
I punched it up into an Excel spreadsheet I made for back-figuring the
score, and I figured out that even with a Sanctum dlvl of 50 (the
highest-possible level, and thus the lowest-scoring), Theta's score
still doesn't provide enough slack for even the pacifist-standard
major/minor Oracularities (she's 20 points under that).
At the risk of repeating myself, *wow*.
So to get all of the numbers to work out even, here's my best
calculated guess as to how Theta got the score:
Deepest Dlvl: 54 (adds 2650 points)
Post-30 Bonus: (maxes out at 10000 points)
Wand/Scroll Auto-IDs: 3 (adds 30 points)
No Oracle usage
This gives us a total of 12680, which when doubled for the ascension
bonus, brings us to the figure of 25360.
And all of this with a chaotic elven wizard and 6 conducts,
nonetheless.
I sincerely hope to see a writeup on this one -- I thought I had a
good pacifist game going in order to shoot for the low-score again
this year, but *wow* -- that's just amazing.
You might have just given me some extra free time this month, as I'm
not sure I'll make an attempt on the trophy with something like that
to compete with.
Props, Theta! From one pacifist to another, well done!
--hanclinto
HanClinto
I dug a bit on Alt.org, and found a few LSA's that beat this one out:
Rhubarb had a gnomish wizard with 25,280
Theta had two other pacifists, one with 25,320 and one with 25,240.
So I guess 25,360 isn't anything extremely never-been-done-before low,
but I'm still quite impressed nonetheless -- especially with it being
a chaotic elven wizard, 6 conducts, and in just 3 days.
--clint
Carl
> So I'm currently in the middle of my second pacifist attempt on
> Devnull, and I browse over to the scoreboards to check out the current
> low-scoring ascension.
>
> Lowest Scored Ascension
> Name Points Attributes Completed Turns Time Days Conduct
> Server
> theta 25360 Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha ascended to demigod-hood 39701
> 33:28:40 3 6 California (1)
>
> *Whoa*!
>
> 25,360 points -- that's like... crazy low and stuff. My lowest are
> 25,725 and 25,540. Alt.org's lowest-scoring-ascension list is
> currently broken, so I can't compare it to NAO's absolute lowest, but
> *wow*. In case anyone's curious, the theoretical limit is 24900
> points. Theta was only 460 points above that.
Thanks for the math. It's nice to know the theoretical limits.
>
> I punched it up into an Excel spreadsheet I made for back-figuring the
> score, and I figured out that even with a Sanctum dlvl of 50 (the
> highest-possible level, and thus the lowest-scoring), Theta's score
> still doesn't provide enough slack for even the pacifist-standard
> major/minor Oracularities (she's 20 points under that).
That is impressive. Could Theta have done only the major Oracle and
then untrapped a sqeuaky board, ate tripe (am I correct in that eating
tripe gives experience or is it just points?), or untrapped a squeeky
board?
[snip]
> Wand/Scroll Auto-IDs: 3 (adds 30 points)
Could someone explain this one? Does this mean identifying with
engrave-testing? And if so, does "a few ice cubes drop from the wand"
qualify as identifying? Or perhaps, the wand of light/create monster/
wishing auto-automatic id is what this means?
--
Carl
rpresser
Maybe it means that if you zap a wand and it emits a bolt of cold,
you've auto-identified that wand.
Faux_Pseudo
>> > Wand/Scroll Auto-IDs: 3 (adds 30 points)
>>
>> Could someone explain this one? Does this mean identifying with
>> engrave-testing? And if so, does "a few ice cubes drop from the wand"
>> qualify as identifying? Or perhaps, the wand of light/create monster/
>> wishing auto-automatic id is what this means?
>
> Maybe it means that if you zap a wand and it emits a bolt of cold,
> you've auto-identified that wand.
I thought it was because the wizard started with two scrolls and one
wand which are auto-ided at thes start of the game.
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>
> Lowest Scored Ascension
> Name Points Attributes Completed Turns Time Days Conduct
> Server
> theta 25360 Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha ascended to demigod-hood 39701
> 33:28:40 3 6 California (1)
>
> *Whoa*!
>
> 25,360 points -- that's like... crazy low and stuff. My lowest are
> 25,725 and 25,540. Alt.org's lowest-scoring-ascension list is
> currently broken, so I can't compare it to NAO's absolute lowest, but
The lowest scoring ascensions -page on NAO is now fixed; I had to turn
it into a static page, generated from a cronjob, because the logfile
is getting a bit too big...
http://alt.org/nethack/lowscoreasc.html
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Andreas Dorn
> [low-scoring ascension]
> *wow*. In case anyone's curious, the theoretical limit is 24900
> points. Theta was only 460 points above that.
>
Nah, the Sanctum can be on DL:45. So the lowest possible score is 24400...
HanClinto
As Andreas Dorn corrected me, I mistakenly thought that the Sanctum
range was dlvl 50-60 -- the correct range (according to the Gazetteer)
is 45-55. This indeed changes the theoretical limit to 24,400.
This makes Theta's impressive ascension only *slightly* less
impressive. Only slightly. It's still really stinkin' low.
I recalculated, and it looks like Theta could have indeed had enough
slack to fit the Oracularities in there, even with a Sanctum as low as
49.
For anyone who's interested, I did a copy of the spreadsheet on Google
Documents:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pS6tPlgozZk3QaSa7ppvOMA&hl=en
> That is impressive. Could Theta have done only the major Oracle and
> then untrapped a sqeuaky board, ate tripe (am I correct in that eating
> tripe gives experience or is it just points?), or untrapped a squeeky
> board?
If Theta had done that with dlvl 50, then it would have given a score
of 25,380 -- 20 points too high.
> > Wand/Scroll Auto-IDs: 3 (adds 30 points)
>
> Could someone explain this one? Does this mean identifying with
> engrave-testing? And if so, does "a few ice cubes drop from the wand"
> qualify as identifying? Or perhaps, the wand of light/create monster/
> wishing auto-automatic id is what this means?
Correct -- I believe it means wands of Light / Create Monster /
Digging / Lightning / Fire / Wishing / etc.
--clint
HanClinto
> the correct range (according to the Gazetteer)
> is 45-55. This indeed changes the theoretical limit to 24,400.
ARGH. Very sorry about the self-reply again, but I hate storing
misinformation up in the newsgroups like this. The range is 45 to 53
for the Sanctum, not down to 55. So it appears that my guess of
Theta's lowest level being 54 was complete hogwash.
Ah well. At least now I know where I was wrong rather than being
blissfully ignorantly thinking I'm right.
--clint
matthew...@gmail.com
2003 tournament, but it appears as though rhubarb had a 24440 in
2004. Dang.
adam.h...@gmail.com
> So I'm currently in the middle of my second pacifist attempt on
> Devnull, and I browse over to the scoreboards to check out the current
> low-scoring ascension.
>
> Lowest Scored Ascension
> Name Points Attributes Completed Turns Time Days Conduct
> Server
> theta 25360 Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha ascended to demigod-hood 39701
> 33:28:40 3 6 California (1)
>
> nonetheless.
>
> I sincerely hope to see a writeup on this one -- I thought I had a
> good pacifist game going in order to shoot for the low-score again
> this year, but *wow* -- that's just amazing.
>
Anyone know if Theta posts/saves ttyrecs? This one sounds like it's
worth watching!
-Adam
Justin
> > Wand/Scroll Auto-IDs: 3 (adds 30 points)
>
> Could someone explain this one? Does this mean identifying with
> engrave-testing? And if so, does "a few ice cubes drop from the wand"
> qualify as identifying? Or perhaps, the wand of light/create monster/
> wishing auto-automatic id is what this means?
Means that whenever you zap/engrave/read/quaff a wand/scroll/potion,
and it IDs the item (e.g. "pine wand" becomes seen as "wand of cold"),
you get 10 points. The "ice cube" messages and other hints don't add
to score, nor does IDing it with a scroll. #naming the item doesn't
affect score; but if you zap that wand called cold later, and reveal
its identity in doing so, then you still get the points.
Worth noting that this score is impossible for some items, like /
oNothing.
On Nov 5, 4:49 pm, Faux_Pseudo <Faux.Pse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I thought it was because the wizard started with two scrolls and one
> wand which are auto-ided at thes start of the game.
Nope, no points for those.
Tapin
> On Nov 6, 5:30 pm, HanClinto <HanCli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > the correct range (according to the Gazetteer)
> > is 45-55. This indeed changes the theoretical limit to 24,400.
>
> ARGH. Very sorry about the self-reply again, but I hate storing
> misinformation up in the newsgroups like this. The range is 45 to 53
> for the Sanctum, not down to 55. So it appears that my guess of
> Theta's lowest level being 54 was complete hogwash.
>
For the record, the tourney logfile has Theta's lowest level at 49.
-t