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David Ploog  
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 More options Jul 15 2009, 3:53 pm
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From: David Ploog <pl...@mi.fu-berlin.de>
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:53:34 +0200
Local: Wed, Jul 15 2009 3:53 pm
Subject: Re: DCSS August Tournament Announcement, request for comments
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On Wed, 15 Jul 2009, Rachel Elizabeth Dillon wrote:
> On 2009-07-15, David Ploog <pl...@mi.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Jul 2009, Rachel Elizabeth Dillon wrote:
>> Deepest level reached in a ziggurat (200/100/50)

> This will go in if we have an 0.5.1 where anyone sees a ziggurat.
> *innocent smile*

There will be plenty of ziggurats. *whistles*

>>> "Pantheist": Chose every God not as a starting God. (Beogh and Lugonu
>>> are tricky here! Also detecting this is vaguely tricky; technically it
>>> works out to "died or won with every God with a character class that
>>> cannot start as that God.)

>> This one is probably okay, although players might kill characters of Kiku
>> (say) after reaching the Temple. It might be better given for
>> Won with all Gods (on characters who never switched religion).
>> This demands 14 wins, so could be lessened to
>> Won with most gods (on characters who never switched religion). [*]

> The idea is that you should be able to get it easily, so that you don't
> have to be able to win in order to get the award. :) If it's not worth
> points I can't imagine a Stabwound or a N78291 killing off a character to
> get a PNG file.

Ah, then it's okay.

>> "Pacifist": Highest XL reached without killing anyone. [*]
>> (I hope this can be tracked.)

> I like "won with fewest kills" instead as discussed elsewhere.
> The real kicker: Fewest kills (which is basically the "summoner award")
> or Fewest monsters that died?

I had the latter in mind. In my opinion, it's more fun to ask for an
Elyvilon special than for a summoner special.

>> [*] All of these might be instead (or in addition) used for clan scoring.
>> Especially something like
>> 200/100/50 most versatile clan
>> 200/100/50 most gods won
>> 200/100/50 win with fewest kills (a milder form of pacifist)

> I think those are reasonable.

I think I have a better idea: the 200/100/50 boni are absolute. It might
be more interesting to have a bonus that applies across the board:
+10 for every new skill 27 title reached (does not need to be a win)
+20 for every won game with a new god (only games without god changes)

This could apply to personal scores and would emphasise broadness. But
it's even more interesting if (also) applied to clans. (Because clans have
a better chance to cover all the many possibilities: "Player A does
necromancy and Kiku, player B does invocations and Elyvilon etc.")

It is possible to use these boni both for personal and clan scores, if
they are kept separate (as with the most highscores).

>>> CLAN SCORING
>>> ------------
>>> Sum total of individual points for wins, runes, and uniques,
>>> sum total of special wins points, sum total of high scores points,

>> If we remove the special wins here. I think it's more interesting for clan
>> play if the first win etc. are not counted and instead questions like "Who
>> of us is gonna try the Kiku win?" are emphasised.

> I disagree; I think your individual performance should reflect well on
> your clan. This didn't seem broken last year.

This has advantages and drawbacks. I don't think we can change the fact
that players with more time on their hands will get more points. Nor do we
want to. But for clans, it might be useful to reduce the special points
from individual players... Just a thought.

I just realised that the following *might* be interesting (for later): for
clan purposes, streaks are measured over the whole clan. This would mean
if player A won, she'll start another game. Now all of A-F will not finish
their games unless they won. Only if all are dying, they carry on. Might
be too awkward or it could help with the group feeling, I don't know.

Thanks for all of this!
David


 
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