Re: DCSS Crawl spoilers
David Ploog
> As I recently came back to see what was new about Crawl, I discovered
> Stone Soup - only to be puzzled by all the improvements and new stuff
> which woke up my nearly extinct Crawl addiction (curse you, damn good
> Stone Soup developers!).
Nearly extinct :)
> I considered putting back online the old spoilers, but, as they were
> quite outdated now, decided to rewrite
> them or write new ones for Stone Soup (0.5.2):
>
> http://www.normalesup.org/~grasland/Crawl/
This is impressive!
> I hope they'll be as accurate as possible (it was sometimes quite hard
> to properly understand the source and do the calculations right...)
> and that you'll find at least some of it useful!
I am sure they are. And even though we are trying to make Crawl fun
without spoilers, I know that many players appreciate spoilers.
David
eoghan griffin
5ca236...@k4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, erw...@gmail.com says...
>
> Hi,
>
> Several years ago, I wrote a a few spoilers for Crawl (at this time
> 4.0.0b26), until my web page expired and lacked time (and probably
> motivation...) to find a way to put them back on line.
>
> As I recently came back to see what was new about Crawl, I discovered
> Stone Soup - only to be puzzled by all the improvements and new stuff
> which woke up my nearly extinct Crawl addiction (curse you, damn good
> spoilers, but, as they were quite outdated now, decided to rewrite
> them or write new ones for Stone Soup (0.5.2):
>
> http://www.normalesup.org/~grasland/Crawl/
>
> to properly understand the source and do the calculations right...)
> and that you'll find at least some of it useful!
>
>
> R1
nice to see those updated, thanks R1! Its definately usefull, the old
ones are still referred to at times in the crawl channel.
sphynx
On Nov 18, 4:40 pm, a a <erw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I considered putting back online the old
> spoilers, but, as they were quite outdated now, decided to rewrite
> them or write new ones for Stone Soup (0.5.2):
>
> http://www.normalesup.org/~grasland/Crawl/
>
Thanks for the great source of information! I was searching exactly
for these formulas and calculations to understand what's going on
better.
Could you please provide references to the source code as well, if
possible? Something like "AC calculations is based on ac-calc.cc file
mostly". It would be a great help for beginner sourcedivers!
Thanks again!
With best regards,
Ivan N. Veselov /sphynx/.
Jim_G
> http://www.normalesup.org/~grasland/Crawl/
This is TOTALLY great. I don't really consider this information
"spoilers" since it covers mechanics which heavily impact gameplay.
a a
> nice to see those updated, thanks R1! Its definately usefull, the old
> ones are still referred to at times in the crawl channel.
That's probably the best encouragement I could ever hear, thank you
very much ! :)
On 19 nov, 12:10, sphynx <vese...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Could you please provide references to the source code as well, if
> possible? Something like "AC calculations is based on ac-calc.cc file
> mostly". It would be a great help for beginner sourcedivers!
To be honest, I can't remember each file I've used to make every
spoiler (sometimes a spoiler file gather informations from 10 to 20
different source files)...
For a start, the main files I've used are:
# crawlSS_052_food.txt: food.cc
# crawlSS_052_gods.txt: religion.cc
# crawlSS_052_items.txt: makeitem.cc
# crawlSS_052_jewellery.txt: item_use.cc
# crawlSS_052_misc.txt: it_use3.cc, decks.cc
# crawlSS_052_potions.txt: it_use2.cc
# crawlSS_052_scrolls.txt: item_use.cc
# crawlSS_052_EVAC.txt: player.cc
# crawlSS_052_armours.txt: itemprop.cc
# crawlSS_052_experience.txt: player.cc
# crawlSS_052_start.txt: newgame.cc
# crawlSS_052_stealth.txt: player.cc
sphynx
> To be honest, I can't remember each file I've used to make every
> spoiler (sometimes a spoiler file gather informations from 10 to 20
> different source files)...
> For a start, the main files I've used are:
> # crawlSS_052_food.txt: food.cc
> # crawlSS_052_gods.txt: religion.cc
Thanks a lot! I've already started to sourcedive :)
WBR,
Ivan N. Veselov.
Magnate
> Hi,
>
> Several years ago, I wrote a a few spoilers for Crawl (at this time
> 4.0.0b26), until my web page expired and lacked time (and probably
> motivation...) to find a way to put them back on line.
>
> As I recently came back to see what was new about Crawl, I discovered
> Stone Soup - only to be puzzled by all the improvements and new stuff
> which woke up my nearly extinct Crawl addiction (curse you, damn good
> spoilers, but, as they were quite outdated now, decided to rewrite
> them or write new ones for Stone Soup (0.5.2):
>
> http://www.normalesup.org/~grasland/Crawl/
>
> to properly understand the source and do the calculations right...)
> and that you'll find at least some of it useful!
>
> Happy crawling,
>
> R1
Awesome. You have just brought at least one player back to Crawl, probably
hundreds. Thank you.
Just one niggle: the link to the rar archive isn't working ...
CC
a a
> "a a" <erw...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> Awesome. You have just brought at least one player back to Crawl, probably
> hundreds. Thank you.
>
> Just one niggle: the link to the rar archive isn't working ...
>
> CC
The link is fixed, thank you!
Magnate
/me wonders if there is something wrong with my system, as I'm still getting
a 404 ....
a a
> /me wonders if there is something wrong with my system, as I'm still getting
> a 404 ....
As this link seemed to have problems for some reason, I removed it;
sorry about that. Direct access to the text files still works, though.
garron
text files is bouncing for me. So I'll put them here. Thanks for
writing these, they're quite helpful.
books.txt
* Memorization restrictions: you can memorize spells as long as you
have one level in any spell school (which you can get as a Wanderer,
or with a manual)
* being hit while trying to memorize a spell interrupts the
memorization process
mutations.txt
* Losing mutations: drawing a "Potion" card from an Ornate/Legendary
deck of Wonders/Changes can give you Cure Mutation. (somewhat
redundant, but could be nice to know for a Nemelex follower who's full
of mutations...)
species.txt
* Yellow Draconians don't need to wait any time between breath
attacks
weapons.txt
* Quarterstaves and lajatangs can be wielded with a shield, although
they suffer a big penalty. (I think it's half damage?) I don't know
about magical staves, since you don't get any in-game warning about
them when wielding them with a shield.
food.txt
* You can berserk when Hungry - Near Starving if you do it using the
spell.
pan.txt
* Lugonu's "Enter the Abyss" ability doesn't work in Pan.
stealth.txt
* the "Armour Mass" table mentioned isn't in this file, I think it
was supposed to be?
a a
> Hi R1, I tried emailing you some corrections but the address in those
> text files is bouncing for me. So I'll put them here. Thanks for
> writing these, they're quite helpful.
Thank you for all these corrections! I've updated the spoilers
accordingly.
As it looks like my former email adress doesn't work anymore; I've
replaced it with my (hopefully permanent) gmail adress.
Just a note:
> books.txt
> * Memorization restrictions: you can memorize spells as long as you
> have one level in any spell school (which you can get as a Wanderer,
> or with a manual)
I haven't found this in the source, and when trying in wizard mode,
it looks like having magic skills with no Spellcasting is not
sufficient to memorize spells. Did I get what you meant wrong?
garron
> As it looks like my former email adress doesn't work anymore; I've
> replaced it with my (hopefully permanent) gmail adress.
Ah, too bad. Glad you checked here :)
> > books.txt
> > * Memorization restrictions: you can memorize spells as long as you
> > have one level in any spell school (which you can get as a Wanderer,
> > or with a manual)
>
> I haven't found this in the source, and when trying in wizard mode,
> it looks like having magic skills with no Spellcasting is not
> sufficient to memorize spells. Did I get what you meant wrong?
I don't think so? You do also need to be at least XL2 (to get 1 level
of memorization, since you get none from spellcasting.) For me if I
start a game in wizard mode, set e.g. Ice Magic to level 1, gain an
experience level, then give myself a book of frost, I can memorize the
spell Freeze and cast it at "Fair" without wearing any equipment.
a a
> I don't think so? You do also need to be at least XL2 (to get 1 level
> of memorization, since you get none from spellcasting.) For me if I
> start a game in wizard mode, set e.g. Ice Magic to level 1, gain an
> experience level, then give myself a book of frost, I can memorize the
> spell Freeze and cast it at "Fair" without wearing any equipment.
You're right, I forgot to go over level 1 in my test (and found where
it came from in the source), sorry about that ;)