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Erwan

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Jun 3, 2003, 5:49:14 PM6/3/03
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OK, nothing here you can't find in the manual (well, except Treasure
Hunter and Good Learner as prerequisite for Great Learner, but it might
be a bug in the manual), but I often find difficult to know exactly all
the prerequisites for a given talent. Maybe I'm not the only one, so
here's the talent tree. I hope it's not too confusing...


AMBIDEXTROUS


HEALTHY


LONG STRIDE


MECHANICALLY INCLINED


STEALTHY


(Level 1) DEXTROUS


(Level 1) FEY-BLOODED


(Level 1) GOOD LOOKS


(Level 1) LEARNED


(Level 1) LONG-LIVED


(Level 1) STRONG


(Level 1) STRONG LEGS


(Level 1) TOUGH


(Pe>=18) SIXTH SENSE


(St>=12) STRONG THROWER


(St>=13) BRAWLER


(Dx>=10, Pe>=13) SCOUT


(Ch>=10) SILVER TONGUE
|
+- (Ch>=14) NATURAL TRADER


AGGRESSIVE
|
+- NATURAL BERSERKER


(Level 1) BOON TO THE FAMILY -+
|
+- (Level 1) HEIR
|
(Level 1) CHARMING -----------+


BASHER
|
+- (St>=13) POWERFUL STRIKE
|
+- (St>=18) MIGHTY STRIKE


(Level 1) WEALTHY
|
+- (Level 1) VERY WEALTHY
|
+- (Level 1) FILTHY RICH


SHIELD SPECIALIST
|
+- (Shield Weapon Skill>=3) SHIELD EXPERT
|
+- (Shield Weapon Skill>=6) SHIELD MASTER

(Level 1, Le>=9) SKILLED (N.B.: Doesn't work in 1.1.1)
|
+- (Level 1, Le>=12) VERY SKILLED
|
+- (Level 1, Le>=15) EXTREMELY
SKILLED


(St>=8, Dx>=10) PORTER
|
+- (Le>=12, Pe>=12) MASTER PACKAGER
|
+- (Wi>=12, To>=12) BEAST OF
BURDEN


(To>=10) HARDY
|
+- (To>=15) VERY HARDY
| |
| +- (To>=20) EXTREMELY HARDY
|
+- (To>=12) TOUGH SKIN
|
+- (To>=15) IRON SKIN
|
+- (Wi>=15) IMMUNE TO PAIN
|
+- (To>=20) STEEL SKIN
|
+- (Dwarf) MITHRIL SKIN

(Wi>=15) PIOUS
|
+- (Wi>=20) VERY PIOUS --------------+
|
+- (Wi>=30) SAINT
|
+-------------------+
|
(Level 1) STRONG OF WILL --+
|
+-------------------+
|
AFFINITY WITH (melee weapon) --(3 required)----+- MELEE WEAPON MASTER
|
+---------------------+
(Le>=10) GOOD LEARNER ----------------+ |
| | |
+- (Le>=16) GREAT LEARNER ------------------------+ |
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | |
+-GOOD BOOK LEARNER --+ |
| | |
(Ma>=10) POTENT AURA -----------------+ +------------------+ |
| | |
+- (Ma>=16) CHARGED | |
| +- GREAT BOOK LEARNER |
+- (Wi>=15) STRONG HEALER | |
| | |
+- (Ma>=15) STRONG MAGIC +---+ |
| | |
+- (Ma>=12) STRONG AURA ---+ |
| | |
| +----------------------------+ |
| | |
+- (Wi>=16) DURABLE MAGIC | |
| | |
+- (Ma>=15) MIGHTY AURA ----------------+ | |
| | | |
+- (Ma>=24) EXTENDED MAGIC | | |
| | |
| | |
+--------------------------+ | |
| | |
+------------------------------------------+ |
| | |
| +- (Dx>=18, Pe>=15) GREAT BOOK |
| | CASTER |
| | |
| +----------------------+ |
| | |
+-----+ | |
| | |
+- (Dx>=14) GOOD BOOK CASTER -+ |
| |
+-----+ |
| |
CAREFUL ---------------+ |
| | |
+- VERY CAREFUL +--------------+ |
| |
+- DEFENSIVE FIGHTER ----------+
| |
+--------------+ +- (Dodge>=75) DODGER
|
QUICK -----------------+
| |
+- VERY QUICK +-----------------------+
| |
+- (Dx>=15) GREASED LIGHTNING |
|
GOOD SHOT +- QUICK SHOT
| | |
+- (Archery>=80, Dx>=18) EAGLE-EYED +--------+ +- (Archery>=60)
| | LIGHTNING SHOT
+- (Dx>=13) KEEN SHOT ---------------+
| |
+- (St>=10) FAR SHOT +--------+
|
|
|
AFFINITY WITH (missile weapon) --(3 required)--+- MISSILE WEAPON MASTER
|
+-------------------+
|
(Level 1) ALERT -----------+
|
+-------------------+
|
+- TREASURE HUNTER
|
MISER -----------------------------------------+

--
Erwan

blanky mc blankerson

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Jun 3, 2003, 6:34:17 PM6/3/03
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Erwan wrote:

> OK, nothing here you can't find in the manual (well, except Treasure
> Hunter and Good Learner as prerequisite for Great Learner, but it might
> be a bug in the manual), but I often find difficult to know exactly all
> the prerequisites for a given talent. Maybe I'm not the only one, so
> here's the talent tree. I hope it's not too confusing...

<snip extravagantly designed wonderful tree>

Well done if I might say so myself, it would be easier to read if they were
ordered differently. Later on it gets a little confusing, around "Strong of
Will" and "Good Learner". I've read more confusing things in fortune
cookeis. [ADoM and non-ADoM related]

--Blanky
Who are you? who who, who who? I really wanna know...

Jonathon

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Jun 3, 2003, 9:59:26 PM6/3/03
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Erwan Wrote:
<snip>

> (To>=10) HARDY
> |
> +- (To>=15) VERY HARDY
> | |
> | +- (To>=20) EXTREMELY HARDY
> |
> +- (To>=12) TOUGH SKIN
> |
> +- (To>=15) IRON SKIN
> |
> +- (Wi>=15) IMMUNE TO PAIN
> |
> +- (To>=20) STEEL SKIN
> |
> +- (Dwarf) MITHRIL SKIN
<snip>

I'm fairly sure you can get mithril skin BEFORE steel skin becasue i picked
it once with a dwarf character, then picked steel skin on my next 3 levels
up. ( i think you can get them at the same time, after iron skin)

Ta
Jonno

Leon Planken

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Jun 4, 2003, 6:51:19 PM6/4/03
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I failed miserably to keep a straight face when I read that

on 3 Jun 2003 21:49:14 GMT, Erwan wrote:
>
> OK, nothing here you can't find in the manual (well, except Treasure
> Hunter and Good Learner as prerequisite for Great Learner, but it might
> be a bug in the manual), but I often find difficult to know exactly all
> the prerequisites for a given talent. Maybe I'm not the only one, so
> here's the talent tree. I hope it's not too confusing...

(snip ASCII tree - haven't bothered to check it, sorry)

see also:
<http://linna.kajaani.fi/~jsuvanto/talents.gif> and
<http://linna.kajaani.fi/~jsuvanto/talents.png>
(courtesy of Juha Suvanto)

(any of those three deserves to be added to or at least linked to from the
Guidebook)

Léon (aka Oliphaunt)
--
I really didn't foresee the Internet. But then, neither did
the computer industry. Not that that tells us very much, of
course - the computer industry didn't even foresee that the
century was going to end. -- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)

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