Various gameplay observations
gibbering poster
the second one was destined to be the UCG until I acidballed the crumpled scroll
:/ ...
What makes wizards too easy is the wide array of guaranteed spells, and more
specifically controlled teleportation at will... Melee classes are tough!!
ToEF is by far the hardest level in the game for me... 75% of the time I go in
there doomed because I can't get fire immunity from anything other than the crown
of Science (1/4 the time god gives it to me[fire immunity])... RDSM, Crowns of
Fire, Glod, =oIm, just are too hard to get a hold of...
Taking a melee character into ToEF doomed is just painful... Like those
elementals and demons dont hit hard enough as it is!
In only about 1/3 of my games can I ever get a ring of ice... Does anyone have any
ToEF strategies for a character with no rings of ice, and no fire immunity? The
ACW can take you from 250 hp to -53 in 1 turn with his bolts if you didnt know...
He resists bolts off a wand of cold almost 90% of the time it seems.
I dont want to have to keep playing casters to get throught the ToEF... But my
melees just dont survive in there :/ ..
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> ToEF is by far the hardest level in the game for me... 75% of the time I go in
> there doomed because I can't get fire immunity from anything other than the crown
> of Science (1/4 the time god gives it to me[fire immunity])... RDSM, Crowns of
> Fire, Glod, =oIm, just are too hard to get a hold of...
For starters, I'd say that you're doing something wrong if you only
get crowned with fire immunity 25% of the time. Wearing the AMW will
stop you from ever getting crowned with cold immunity, raising the
possibility of fire immunity up to 1 in 3.
Secondly, you don't actually need fire immunity to avoid losing
hitpoints in the ToEF. Level three intrinsic fire resistance from
eating a corpse of any fire creature other than a beetle or lizard,
together with 2 (or possibly three, I can't remember) items of fire
resistance. By the time you're tackling the ToEF you have the RotHK
and the elemental gauntlets already, so this isn't a problem.
Items of regeneration can also be used to balance the HP lost with HP
gained. A RoR worn under the elemental gauntlets will never burn away.
> Taking a melee character into ToEF doomed is just painful... Like those
> elementals and demons dont hit hard enough as it is!
They aren't so bad if you treat them in the same way as the rest of
the game. Attack from a corridor, don't get surrounded, and run away
or pray or use a healing potion if you're in trouble.
> In only about 1/3 of my games can I ever get a ring of ice... Does anyone have any
> ToEF strategies for a character with no rings of ice, and no fire immunity? The
> ACW can take you from 250 hp to -53 in 1 turn with his bolts if you didnt know...
> He resists bolts off a wand of cold almost 90% of the time it seems.
I've not played much 1.1.*, where wyrms were beefed up somewhat, so
take this with a pinch of salt.
Being doomed is not going to help here. Avoid the CoS like the plague.
Dragon slaying missiles are your friend.
If you aren't doomed, then you should be able to get through the whole
tower with a blessed fireproof blanket, even without a ring of ice. By
this stage you should be able to get a decent set of equipment that
won't burn up, although saying goodbye to any SLB you have can be a
drag.
If you're having problems with the energy bolts then try a character
with alertness.
> I dont want to have to keep playing casters to get throught the ToEF... But my
> melees just dont survive in there :/ ..
How about troll barbarians? Have you tried them?
rho.
Malte Helmert
> hitpoints in the ToEF. Level three intrinsic fire resistance from
> eating a corpse of any fire creature other than a beetle or lizard,
> together with 2 (or possibly three, I can't remember) items of fire
> resistance. By the time you're tackling the ToEF you have the RotHK
> and the elemental gauntlets already, so this isn't a problem.
I second that. Two items are enough, so a ring and the elemental
gauntlets will do. Rings under artifact gauntlets cannot be destroyed,
so this is perfectly safe.
I've often went to the Tower even without fire resistance. If you spend
some time around level 1 with a few spenseweeds, you can usually quickly
pick it up from a fire drake or red dragon.
>>In only about 1/3 of my games can I ever get a ring of ice... Does anyone have any
>>ToEF strategies for a character with no rings of ice, and no fire immunity? The
>>ACW can take you from 250 hp to -53 in 1 turn with his bolts if you didnt know...
>>He resists bolts off a wand of cold almost 90% of the time it seems.
>
> Being doomed is not going to help here. Avoid the CoS like the plague.
Again, good advice. I'd rather not be immune to fire than be doomed.
Malte
Stephen White
> > I dont want to have to keep playing casters to get throught the ToEF... But my
> > melees just dont survive in there :/ ..
>
> How about troll barbarians? Have you tried them?
Personally I wouldn't recommend them, unless you fancy taking on
the tower with a PC of levl 16-17 or so. They need stupid amounts
of experience to advance, and it seems to be harder to earn in
1.1.X.
Read my fairly recent post entitled "Advice for leveling my dumb
troll?" for more on this.
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Sam Blanning
"rho" <r...@quoth.org.uk> wrote...
But my
> > melees just dont survive in there :/ ..
>
> How about troll barbarians? Have you tried them?
>
stupid amounts of experience. Although a barbarian might be better than a
beastfighter if you want the chance of getting Vanquisher.
And remember your missiles.
Frances Kathleen Moffatt
> I vow never to play a wizard again... I just won with 2 rolled wizards in a row,
> the second one was destined to be the UCG until I acidballed the crumpled scroll
> :/ ...
Ooooh. Sympathies, FWIW, which is not much. You're in good company.
> What makes wizards too easy is the wide array of guaranteed spells, and more
> specifically controlled teleportation at will... Melee classes are tough!!
Right, I'm going to commit heresy throughout this post again, by
disagreeing that wizards are too easy, or even particularly easy at all. :)
Incidentally, any character can get controlled teleportation at will with
a <foo> corpse and <foo> ring/helm, a <foo> wand, and <foo> potions.
Mindcrafters don't even need the corpse or ring/helm. I've never had a
problem getting a character to have teleport control by level 17.
> ToEF is by far the hardest level in the game for me... 75% of the time I go in
> there doomed because I can't get fire immunity from anything other than the crown
> of Science (1/4 the time god gives it to me[fire immunity])... RDSM, Crowns of
> Fire, Glod, =oIm, just are too hard to get a hold of...
It's not worth it.
No, really, trust me. Give up on the damn crown, get a blessed ring of
fire resistance and the elemental gauntlets, and make sure you're not
cursed or doomed and have Lucky/Fate Smiles. Being doomed in the ToEF
will do you more damage than 'settling' for double fire resistance and a
happy happy god.
> Taking a melee character into ToEF doomed is just painful... Like those
> elementals and demons dont hit hard enough as it is!
Taking any character into the ToEF doomed is just painful.
I usually play melee or missile based characters, and I think the only
thing of mine that ever died in the ToEF was a hurthling wizard, and even
he shouldn't have died.
(See, there was the co-aligned white underscore on one of the levels.
And I wanted a little more piety, so I stood behind it and let them come
and be sacrificed. And that was the day that I learned that Grues Cannot
Be Sacrificed.)
> In only about 1/3 of my games can I ever get a ring of ice... Does
> anyone have any ToEF strategies for a character with no rings of ice,
> and no fire immunity?
Blessed fireproof blankets. Healing and First Aid as high as you can get
them. A lot of piety. Healing potions and similar objects. Rings of
fire resistance. The elemental gauntlets.
The first time I made it through the ToEF and out again, I didn't even
know what a ring of ice *was*, though I did have fire immunity, so it's
possible.
> The ACW can take you from 250 hp to -53 in 1 turn
> with his bolts if you didnt know... He resists bolts off a wand of cold
> almost 90% of the time it seems.
That might have something to do with you being doomed; I don't recall
having that problem when I've used that tactic, and I've never taken that
much damage from him in one hit.
> I dont want to have to keep playing casters to get throught the ToEF... But my
> melees just dont survive in there :/ ..
Don't know your playing style, so I can't give tailored suggestions, but
off the top of my head--missiles, First Aid, healing, piety, and not being
cursed or doomed.
Love and coffee,
Frances
Abaraxas
that CoS is very damn useful
and no i dont wanna start yet another pro and con crown of science posts
but it has to be accepted
that crown is useful to level up and get those trolls the learning they
need for skills and sh*t
to sound unoriginal: take this with a pinch of salt ;)
Abaraxas
so did anyone remember to tell him not to be doomed?? ;)
matija
> so did anyone remember to tell him not to be doomed?? ;)
i've had enough of your bad quoting. goodbye. *PLONK*.
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> hitpoints in the ToEF. Level three intrinsic fire resistance from
> eating a corpse of any fire creature other than a beetle or lizard,
> together with 2 (or possibly three, I can't remember) items of fire
> resistance. By the time you're tackling the ToEF you have the RotHK
> and the elemental gauntlets already, so this isn't a problem.
Fire immunity is guaranteed by the following insight message "You are fire
resistant (enhanced by items)." if the resistance comes from a level 3 fire
creature (drake, dragon). So 2 items should be enough.
Przemyslaw Brojewski
: I vow never to play a wizard again... I just won with 2 rolled wizards in a row,
: the second one was destined to be the UCG until I acidballed the crumpled scroll
: :/ ...
: What makes wizards too easy is the wide array of guaranteed spells, and more
: specifically controlled teleportation at will... Melee classes are tough!!
: ToEF is by far the hardest level in the game for me... 75% of the time I go in
: there doomed because I can't get fire immunity from anything other than the crown
: of Science (1/4 the time god gives it to me[fire immunity])... RDSM, Crowns of
: Fire, Glod, =oIm, just are too hard to get a hold of...
: Taking a melee character into ToEF doomed is just painful... Like those
: elementals and demons dont hit hard enough as it is!
: In only about 1/3 of my games can I ever get a ring of ice... Does anyone have any
: ToEF strategies for a character with no rings of ice, and no fire immunity? The
: ACW can take you from 250 hp to -53 in 1 turn with his bolts if you didnt know...
: He resists bolts off a wand of cold almost 90% of the time it seems.
Two blessed fireproof blankets, some ball spell (not fire) or dragon slaying
ammo (the last two for ACW only), foo of mental stability as ACW confuses,
lvl3 fire resistance + elemental gauntlets + ring of high kings is more then
enough. Without ring of ice you just have to run up and down, as one of
the blankets will get destroyed sooner or later. And don't go doomed there,
it's just begging for trouble :-) ACW couldn't hit any of my human rangers
or troll fighters more then once per several turns. And they did good having
only around 180-220 HP. They just were not doomed.
brojek.
Abaraxas
> Abaraxas, completely geschtonkenflapped, wrote:
>
>>so did anyone remember to tell him not to be doomed?? ;)
>
>
> i've had enough of your bad quoting. goodbye. *PLONK*.
>
>
oh whatever
as if i cared in the least what someone i dont even know thinks about me
or my posting methods
if you think your so good quoting that you cant live with other less
experienced people then go for it
look at how much its affected my life
you people need to get those sticks out of your asses newbies getting
plonked for posting messeges that youve heard before or quoting wrong
even if they do so intentionally
get over yourself
this is a newsgroup to share information and to post bugs not a fucking
chat roomw ith your sub clans and tight little friends only communities
this NG has had this problem for ages
just because your an old player (and personally ive done just about
everything there is to do in adom thats known and i dont go around
saying how good i am or how littlesoemones worth because htey dont know
something) it doesnt give you the right to put down people becaus they
dont know something
start acting like the adults you so say you are
and this isnt a flame this is actually a little advice since you people
seem to takeeverything as a flame tho ill just say that im not gonna
answer to this post no matter what anyone says about me my mother or her
lack of manners
and before any of you go off on the oh he must be a kid if ive been
playing since g6 or so and that was YEARS ago and no one under the age
of 14 can really understand adom then that must mean im in my late
twenties eh?
so please dont go there
-look at the mud in your own eyes before you look at the one in other
people especially if youve never in your life had any sort of contact
witht his person nor him with you
John C.
>matija wrote:
>> Abaraxas, completely geschtonkenflapped, wrote:
>>
>>>so did anyone remember to tell him not to be doomed?? ;)
>>
>>
>> i've had enough of your bad quoting. goodbye. *PLONK*.
>>
>>
>
You do realize that he can't read that because you're in his killfile list,
right? The rant was unnecessary as the killfile was for *his* convenience so he
wouldn't have to read your idiotic posts any more, not a flame or a putdown in
any way.
I'm surprised that even you would be so self-righteous that you would order a
person to manage his personal newsreader filters the way you want to or to
attempt to force him to read your posts. It's just sad.
Oh, and by the way, *Plonk*
-John
--
"The Arch-Lich flips the birdie at you!
You are like totally dead man!
Do you want me to tell you about the junk you're carrying?"
-The finger of death attack from nethack.
Sam Blanning
"John C." <tigersh...@aol.com> wrote...
> Abaraxas wrote:
> >matija wrote:
> >> Abaraxas, completely geschtonkenflapped, wrote:
> >>
> >>>so did anyone remember to tell him not to be doomed?? ;)
> >>
> >>
> >> i've had enough of your bad quoting. goodbye. *PLONK*.
> >>
> >>
> >
> <snip huge rant by ol' A barrecks ass>
>
> You do realize that he can't read that because you're in his killfile
list,
> right? The rant was unnecessary as the killfile was for *his* convenience
so he
> wouldn't have to read your idiotic posts any more, not a flame or a
putdown in
> any way.
>
what we'd been doing wrong all these years. If only someone had told us
before. Think of all the time we've wasted, telling people to quote properly
and to write in a readable fashion. Why, if I'd only been able to
tipe
liek
th
i
s
then I could have spent more time playing ADOM and finding the SoO, and less
time proofreading my posts.
(If you're wondering how I knew what Abaraxas was saying even though I'd
killfiled him and no-one had quoted him, it's quite simple. I've seen the
same rant at least three times before on this group alone, and as soon as I
saw the word 'rant' in connection with an idiot and a *plonk* post, I knew
what had been said.)
(Alright then, I looked it up on Google Groups. I can't resist the dying
screams of an illiterate moron. It's like a car crashing, only with no
guilty feelings.)
rho
[a big pile of semi-literate crap]
You really are a fuckwit, aren't you?
*plonk*
rho.
christopher
Not one of ours.
Fuckwits Inc
Abaraxas
> Abaraxas wrote:
>
>>matija wrote:
>>
>>>Abaraxas, completely geschtonkenflapped, wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>so did anyone remember to tell him not to be doomed?? ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> i've had enough of your bad quoting. goodbye. *PLONK*.
>>>
>>>
>>
> <snip huge rant by ol' A barrecks ass>
>
> You do realize that he can't read that because you're in his killfile list,
> right? The rant was unnecessary as the killfile was for *his* convenience so he
> wouldn't have to read your idiotic posts any more, not a flame or a putdown in
> any way.
>
> I'm surprised that even you would be so self-righteous that you would order a
> person to manage his personal newsreader filters the way you want to or to
> attempt to force him to read your posts. It's just sad.
>
> Oh, and by the way, *Plonk*
>
> -John
>
i was making a statement
thats all
Abaraxas
follow your every word and command and you worship all the oldies like
they were living gods
get real
Abaraxas
see
you just proved my point
some dude i have no clue hwo he is just told me off i respond back at
him and all you other motherfu*kers get at me telling me how stupid
immature and "not one of ours" i am
what the fu*k do i care
so i look like someone who spends his life in front of the pc playing
adom? do i look like someone who cares what rl problems any of you have
that you have to take them out on the NG?
leavee me alone i made a JOKE post about how EVERYONE told him not to be
doomed and i got this stupid fuc*ing long flame for it
fuck you guys im going to lurk again
sqweek
erm. christopher was joking.
Anyway, the rules are there for a reason - your posts are far harder to
read than most other people in the group
Frances Kathleen Moffatt
>>>> i've had enough of your bad quoting. goodbye. *PLONK*.
>> <snip huge rant by ol' A barrecks ass>
>> You do realize that he can't read that because you're in his killfile list,
>> right? The rant was unnecessary as the killfile was for *his* convenience so he
>> wouldn't have to read your idiotic posts any more, not a flame or a putdown in
>> any way.
>> Oh, and by the way, *Plonk*
> i never tried to force him to do anything
> i was making a statement
> thats all
That might just be plausible if you were actually making a statement to
(1) the person you're replying to, but since they've been plonking you
like mad they aren't reading you, or (2) anyone who cared, which after
your constant Netiquette fuckery no-one does.
As is, it's apparently a case of yet more WAP (whiney adolescent
puffery--a shame it doesn't produce a FWAP acronym), which you seem to
excel at.
G'night.
(*plonk*)
Love and coffee,
Frances
matija
[re: abaraxas]
> As is, it's apparently a case of yet more WAP (whiney adolescent
> puffery--a shame it doesn't produce a FWAP acronym), which you seem to
> excel at.
sure it does. fuckwit whiney adolescent puffery :)
Abaraxas
> Frances Kathleen Moffatt, completely geschtonkenflapped, wrote:
>
> [re: abaraxas]
>
>>As is, it's apparently a case of yet more WAP (whiney adolescent
>>puffery--a shame it doesn't produce a FWAP acronym), which you seem to
>>excel at.
>
>
> sure it does. fuckwit whiney adolescent puffery :)
>
>
weird
last time i checked i was 26 years old
kinda old ot be an adolescent
Stephen Mackey
>
>weird
>last time i checked i was 26 years old
>kinda old ot be an adolescent
If you're that old and people think you're a teenager, isn't that a hint that
you're doing something a leeeeedle bit wrong? ;)
--
Signing off as Stephen Mackey, the Multi-Threaded RFE Database Liaison.
"And with that out of the way, I'm sending your Christmas present, you rotten
bastard."
-Jen D.
Arturus Magi
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:38:37 -0400
>weird
>last time i checked i was 26 years old
>kinda old ot be an adolescent
I would contend otherwise. You may be physically middle aged, but you
certainly don't act it, and on Usenet, the way you act is the only thing that
matters.
Not to mention the fact that a large number of adults seem to be mentally
pre-pubecent, from my experience.
In other words, 'Growing old may be manditory, but growing up is optional.'
Sam Blanning
"Arturus Magi" <nho...@aol.com> wrote...
> From: Abaraxas abar...@coqui.net
>
> >weird
> >last time i checked i was 26 years old
> >kinda old ot be an adolescent
>
> I would contend otherwise. You may be physically middle aged, but you
> certainly don't act it, and on Usenet, the way you act is the only thing
that
> matters.
>
John C.
He struck me as being 11. Maybe I'm just paranoid after having an 11-year-old
girl in a webforum "yell" at me because I was
"Uzing 2
bifg wurdz fo
r h3r 2 undr3stand"
(and I swear that is not an exaggeration)
In any case his dying rant actually reminded me somewhat of Beateu's, but with
205 less posts.
Sam Blanning
"John C." <tigersh...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021229145943...@mb-bk.aol.com...
> Sam Blanning wrote:
> >"Arturus Magi" <nho...@aol.com> wrote...
> >> From: Abaraxas abar...@coqui.net
> >>
> >> >weird
> >> >last time i checked i was 26 years old
> >> >kinda old ot be an adolescent
> >>
> >> I would contend otherwise. You may be physically middle aged, but you
> >> certainly don't act it, and on Usenet, the way you act is the only
thing
> >> that matters.
> >>
> >Hey, at least he isn't using the 'im only 13' defence.
> >
>
with
> 205 less posts.
>
Arturus Magi
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:44:34 -0000
>"John C." <tigersh...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20021229145943...@mb-bk.aol.com...
>> In any case his dying rant actually reminded me somewhat of Beateu's, but
>with
>> 205 less posts.
>>
>Is he finished, then? Or has everyone killfiled him now?
>
He's still around, he just doesn't post very often here anymore. He's been
pestering people in alt.hentai.sailor-moon recently.
Stephen Mackey
>He's still around, he just doesn't post very often here anymore. He's been
>pestering people in alt.hentai.sailor-moon recently.
::snerk::
Loves a Dustbin
wrote:
>Taking a melee character into ToEF doomed is just painful... Like those
>elementals and demons dont hit hard enough as it is!
>
>In only about 1/3 of my games can I ever get a ring of ice... Does anyone have any
>ToEF strategies for a character with no rings of ice, and no fire immunity? The
>ACW can take you from 250 hp to -53 in 1 turn with his bolts if you didnt know...
>He resists bolts off a wand of cold almost 90% of the time it seems.
He sure does, but don't let that deter you from bringing said wands into the
ToEF. Just use them on the local wildlife--not the ACW.
>I dont want to have to keep playing casters to get throught the ToEF... But my
>melees just dont survive in there :/ ..
Well, I jumped into this thread late (as usual :-( ), and others have offered
great advice. Here's some things I haven't seen anyone mention. Standard
disclaimers apply.
Part of the problem in the fire temple, as you note, is having to melee hordes
of elementals and demons, corrupting and draining one's stock of Liquid
Prayer. If you can bypass these, or even most of these, you're that much more
prepared for the Main Event. Here's how I do the fire temple with
fighter-types these days.
Bring some blessed potions of invisibility with you, and drink one just before
you start zapping your wand(s) of digging. (If you're getting in with
pickaxes, never mind.) Dig to the center of the temple, not the top or bottom
corners. The point is to get to the center of the temple still invisible,
where only the ACW will be able to see you. Lure it into the corridor you've
dug, preferably remaining invisible the whole time.
When the Wyrm is a few steps into your corridor, it's silver bullet time.
Throw a potion of confusion at it. It doesn't resist these. Potions of
blindness will probably work as well, but I haven't tested them. The Ancient
Chaos Wyrm will not breathe on you while confused, and six of its eight
movement directions thud it right into a wall. Go berserk and kill it.
Hopefully you have more than one potion, in case it recovers. Grab what you
came here for, take anything interesting in the Wyrm's drop, and get the
expletive-deleted outta there.
Hope this helps. I await your YAVP. :)
TTFN,
Loves a Dustbin
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Loves a Dustbin
wrote:
>Part of the problem in the fire temple, as you note, is having to melee hordes
>of elementals and demons, corrupting and draining one's stock of Liquid
>Prayer.
Ugh. Sorry to reply to myself, but this sentence should read, "...corrupting
*the PC* and draining one's stock..."
--Loves a Dustbin
Timofei Shatrov
>On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:32:35 GMT, "gibbering poster" <no...@nowhere.com>
>wrote:
>
>Bring some blessed potions of invisibility with you, and drink one just before
>you start zapping your wand(s) of digging. (If you're getting in with
>pickaxes, never mind.) Dig to the center of the temple, not the top or bottom
>corners. The point is to get to the center of the temple still invisible,
>where only the ACW will be able to see you. Lure it into the corridor you've
>dug, preferably remaining invisible the whole time.
>
One of my best characters was using this strategy and died because ACW confused
him.
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Loves a Dustbin
>On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 23:14:39 GMT, Loves a Dustbin <loves.a...@dev.null>
>tried to confuse everyone with this message:
>
>>Bring some blessed potions of invisibility with you, and drink one just before
>>you start zapping your wand(s) of digging. (If you're getting in with
>>pickaxes, never mind.) Dig to the center of the temple, not the top or bottom
>>corners. The point is to get to the center of the temple still invisible,
>>where only the ACW will be able to see you. Lure it into the corridor you've
>>dug, preferably remaining invisible the whole time.
>>
>
>One of my best characters was using this strategy and died because ACW confused
>him.
Ouch. While that does in fact stink, other posters to this thread have given
advice on how to avoid that fate. My intent with my original post was not to
give a definitive top-to-bottom fire tower strategy, only to point out things
that consistently work for me that I hadn't yet seen mentioned on the thread.
Of course you should do the ToEF with a confusion-resistant, high-willpower
character (Water Orb in the tool slot, always always always!), but enough
folks had already mentioned it that I felt no need to repeat it.
TTFN,
Loves a Dustbin
New Year's Eve beverage of choice: Cherry Mountain Dew with a shot (or more)
of After Shock cinnamon liqueur. Vicodin chaser optional.
DarkFox
11-year-old
> girl in a webforum "yell" at me because I was
> "Uzing 2
> bifg wurdz fo
> r h3r 2 undr3stand"
> (and I swear that is not an exaggeration)
>
(well, he'd never use 'wurdz' instead of 'words', he was more likely just to
replace 'for' with '4', and miss letters, making words like 'wrds'). All of
us were absolutely ok with it, and used to it. A couple of months ago, one
of the game's developers stopped by to chat with us, and proceeded to give
the guy a lot of abuse over his compacted typing.
The guy soon explained, he'd lost the use of both arms, and had to try to
keep down what he typed, because it took so long and was so difficult with
his mouth (which is what he typed with, as opposed to feet). He never did
get an apology though, big-game designers tend to be a little arrogant, and
unable to admit when they were at fault.
Bottom line? Sometimes (stressing the word 'sometimes') people have a good
reason for chatting like this.
sqweek
How do you type with your *mouth*?
Nose I can see, but mouth?
> Bottom line? Sometimes (stressing the word 'sometimes') people have a good
> reason for chatting like this.
Sounds like he's having you on if you ask me :)
What game was the forum for? Would that be playable with no arms?
DarkFox
"sqweek" <sqwee...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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disabled stores, from what I hear.
> > Bottom line? Sometimes (stressing the word 'sometimes') people have a
good
> > reason for chatting like this.
>
> Sounds like he's having you on if you ask me :)
> What game was the forum for? Would that be playable with no arms?
No, that's what I thought at first, but he's one of the old wise ones on
that board, I've seen pictures of him playing battlezone2, and I've heard
from his friends about this. It's a shame really, 'cause playing with his
mouth+feet makes him unable to play online multiplayer games, but he can
play single player on easy well enough.
It's mad, but true.
R Dan Henry
<sqwee...@yahoo.com> declared:
>How do you type with your *mouth*?
>Nose I can see, but mouth?
i type this with pen held between teeth
...and without having any practice at it, I made a half-decent speed
with no errors. Couldn't do a shift at the same type for an 'I', but
if I were seriously trying to write something significant this way, I
could use the caps lock. So, my experiment shows it is entirely
possible to type by mouth.
--
R. Dan Henry, Creative Heretic
rdan...@earthlink.net
Sam Blanning
"DarkFox" <Dar...@SPAMuscm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On a forum I frequent, one of the posters talks like this all the time
> (well, he'd never use 'wurdz' instead of 'words', he was more likely just
to
> replace 'for' with '4', and miss letters, making words like 'wrds'). All
of
> us were absolutely ok with it, and used to it. A couple of months ago, one
> of the game's developers stopped by to chat with us, and proceeded to give
> the guy a lot of abuse over his compacted typing.
> The guy soon explained, he'd lost the use of both arms, and had to try to
> keep down what he typed, because it took so long and was so difficult with
> his mouth (which is what he typed with, as opposed to feet). He never did
> get an apology though, big-game designers tend to be a little arrogant,
and
> unable to admit when they were at fault.
>
> Bottom line? Sometimes (stressing the word 'sometimes') people have a good
> reason for chatting like this.
>
million' is the phrase you're looking for.
Frances Kathleen Moffatt
> TTFN,
> Loves a Dustbin
> New Year's Eve beverage of choice: Cherry Mountain Dew with a shot (or more)
> of After Shock cinnamon liqueur. Vicodin chaser optional.
Oh my lord, someone else who knows of the existence of After Shock. :)
I have a bottle of it myself, but since I had to pick it up when I was
down in the States, and have never seen it in Canada, it is perhaps
understandable that no-one around here seems to have any recipe
suggestions for it.
A/y. Don't have cherry Moutain Dew either; may try with cherry Coke.
Love and coffee,
Frances
sqweek
>
> "sqweek" <sqwee...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.187e00fab...@news.cis.dfn.de...
> > DarkFox wrote:
> > > A couple of months ago, one of the game's developers stopped by to chat
> > > with us, and proceeded to give the guy a lot of abuse over his compacted
> > > typing. The guy soon explained, he'd lost the use of both arms, and had
> > > to try to keep down what he typed, because it took so long and was so
> > > difficult with his mouth (which is what he typed with, as opposed to
> > > feet).
> >
> > Nose I can see, but mouth?
> >
> You hold a rod in your mouth, they can actually be brought quite easily from
> disabled stores, from what I hear.
Fair enough. I guess that makes sense - such an implement would probably
be quite useful if you didn't have any fingers :)
> > > Bottom line? Sometimes (stressing the word 'sometimes') people have a
> > > good reason for chatting like this.
> >
> > Sounds like he's having you on if you ask me :)
> > What game was the forum for? Would that be playable with no arms?
>
> No, that's what I thought at first, but he's one of the old wise ones on
> that board, I've seen pictures of him playing battlezone2, and I've heard
> from his friends about this. It's a shame really, 'cause playing with his
> mouth+feet makes him unable to play online multiplayer games, but he can
> play single player on easy well enough.
> It's mad, but true.
Cool :)
DarkFox
I just spoke to him about this, after our conversation. After his accident
which lost his use of his arms, he had to have a splint put in to one of his
hands for a while, while the bones healed and bleeding stopped. When it
became time to remove this splint, he felt much more disabled without it, so
he had his girlfriend kindly make him a metal 'prodder' which was attatched
to his upper arm, and which he could, with practice, use to type and control
things.
He says he recently had a second implement attatched to his left arm, which
has a power ball (those really bouncy rubber balls) fixed to the front of
it. This allows him to play on the computer without having to resort to
using his mouse, and with the correct control configurations, he can in fact
play multiplayer games to some degree of success. Good for him eh?
sqweek
Right. So he just lost his lower arms?
> He says he recently had a second implement attatched to his left arm, which
> has a power ball (those really bouncy rubber balls) fixed to the front of
> it. This allows him to play on the computer without having to resort to
> using his mouse, and with the correct control configurations, he can in fact
> play multiplayer games to some degree of success. Good for him eh?
Good for him indeed.
It's somewhat comforting to know that if I lose my arms I'll still be
able to play computer (though personally I think a mouse/shoe thingy
that you wear on your foot would be the shit =p)
You know I'm sure I've seen some software that allows you to type with
the mouse, but I can't find it now :(
Sam Blanning
> DarkFox wrote:
> >
> > He says he recently had a second implement attatched to his left arm,
which
> > has a power ball (those really bouncy rubber balls) fixed to the front
of
> > it. This allows him to play on the computer without having to resort to
> > using his mouse, and with the correct control configurations, he can in
fact
> > play multiplayer games to some degree of success. Good for him eh?
>
> Good for him indeed.
> It's somewhat comforting to know that if I lose my arms I'll still be
> able to play computer (though personally I think a mouse/shoe thingy
> that you wear on your foot would be the shit =p)
Or a large trackball.
> You know I'm sure I've seen some software that allows you to type with
> the mouse, but I can't find it now :(
If you mean one of those 'virtual keyboards' that open up a picture of a
keyboard on which you click to type things, it shouldn't be too difficult.
DarkFox
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 07:56:17 +0800, in a fit of madness sqweek
> <sqwee...@yahoo.com> declared:
>
> >How do you type with your *mouth*?
> >Nose I can see, but mouth?
>
> i type this with pen held between teeth
>
> ...and without having any practice at it, I made a half-decent speed
> with no errors. Couldn't do a shift at the same type for an 'I', but
> if I were seriously trying to write something significant this way, I
> could use the caps lock. So, my experiment shows it is entirely
> possible to type by mouth.
Typing is nothing really, for some reason, the previous owners of our
house were members of the 'mouth and foot artists club'. This
christmas, we got sent a bag of blank christmas cards with pictures
from such artists, and the art was *most* impressive, definately
hand-user's gallery-quality work. I can honestly say I couldn't
distinguish from a hand artist's paintings.
Anyway, here are the first 2 half-decent links that I got on google.
It's not half as impressive as the cards we got at christmas, but you
might want to give them a look:
http://www.imagesofeyes.com/camilleri.htm
http://watercolor-painting-art-prints-landscape-painters-malta.com/goo/watercolor_goo1.html
People without arms are perfectly capable, it just takes time, I
suppose. I admire them, and at the same time pity them. I certainly
wouldn't ever risk chastising someone for excessive abbreviation or
missing unnecessary words, not after thinking about it from this
perspective.
sqweek
nah. that would be really bad IMO :P
The software I was thinking of is Dasher - you can check it out at:
http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/
And this is the reason I remembered it specifically:
It can also be driven using an eyetracker, giving a completely-hands-
free writing system. After one hour's practice, some users are able to
write at more than 20 words per minute using Dasher with an eyetracker