Water 1, Basement Arcade 0
SilverUnicorn
basement. Sump Pump was not working. I freaked! Had a funeral to
attend, then got to work cleaning up the mess.
4 hours of shop vac and throwing stuff away. The damage to machines
seems minimal actualy, and for that I am VERY thankful! As you may
know, I store some games for EagleTG and this had me physically sick
today.
The pins are fine. Pac man seems okay, Space Duel and Super Monaco GP
are dry, as seems to be the candy cabinet. The 2 Syatem 1 cabinets
seemed to get it the worst, but they were int he worst condition to
begin with. so that is actually not so bad. Those got wet inside but
nothing else seemed to. The basement is a disaster now and I have
dehumidifiers and fans running to dry things out.
What is still REALLY wet is the carpet under the pool table. Tried to
shop vac that the best I could and have a fan on it now. I can't move
the pool table, so I will hope for the best there.
Thanks for the support, it is very much appreciated. I learned that
corregated cardboard can absorb about 1.7 million time it's weight in
water.
Things I know I lost:
Signed posters from John Popaduik (4)
Lots of Hyperball parts
LOTS of pinball flyers
Black Knight manual
2 neon signs (transformers got wet).
about 20 pinball coils
Misc Beer advertising items
Trying to dry out some of that stuff to see if it is salvagable, we'll
see.
Here are some post-work pics, though it's hard to see the water or get
an idea of how much there was. I know others have had it much worse,
and I know I got off relatively lucky.
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5188/5671165464_d39887e17b.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5110/5671165800_bd2078b341.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5030/5671166288_fbaae05182.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5184/5671167042_13bc914591.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5222/5670597937_79f81cc7f4.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5305/5671167410_efdd7769d0.jpg
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Have a great weekend everyone!
Chris
Lloyd Olson
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Mamushka
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> Have a great weekend everyone!
>
> Chris
You can bake the coils on low heat ( 200 F would be good ) and they
will be fine. I would try the transformers too, I have baked-out many
electric components with great results. Just did a cordless phone that
got wet last week :)
Mamushka
dajinni
That really sucks.... Similar thing happened to my buddy when they had
a power outage a few years ago. He went out and had a redundant system
with battery backup installed. Thought that was a little extreme. I
ended up buying a device at lowes or hd that has two contact you place
down the well. It then runs on a 9v battery and sounds like a smoke
alarm when the contacts get wet. It saved me one year when the pipe
that goes outside froze and the pump could not push it anywhere.
Mike
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Chris Hibler
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> Have a great weekend everyone!
>
> Chris
Bummer Chris.
I've considered redundant sumps...never did it though.
The neons can be saved...replacement xformers are easy to install.
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William Brower
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> Have a great weekend everyone!
>
> Chris
Chris,
Sorry to hear that. you might want to have a battery back-up sump pump
too.
Bill
toyboy6
back up battery sump a few years back for this very reason. It's
functioned a few times over the years when the power went out. Don't
know if it saved me any disasters yet, but I wouldn't dream of not
having one. Cost a couple hundred to put in, but well worth it when
you think of the alternative you are going through.
Hope most of your stuff can be saved.
Scott
David Gersic
> Well, I am tired. Went downstairs this morning to find water in the
> basement. Sump Pump was not working. I freaked! Had a funeral to
> attend, then got to work cleaning up the mess.
Yuck. I've been dealing with water in the basement this year, so I
know what you're going through.
> What is still REALLY wet is the carpet under the pool table. Tried to
> shop vac that the best I could and have a fan on it now. I can't move
> the pool table, so I will hope for the best there.
When I had water on carpet, what helped most was getting a steam cleaner
and going after it with that.
> Thanks for the support, it is very much appreciated. I learned that
> corregated cardboard can absorb about 1.7 million time it's weight in
> water.
Yeah, cardboard is nasty that way. I'm slowly working on making sure
that everything is stored in plastic containers, not cardboard. Don't
store anything you care about in cardboard.
> Things I know I lost:
> Signed posters from John Popaduik (4)
> Lots of Hyperball parts
> LOTS of pinball flyers
> Black Knight manual
> 2 neon signs (transformers got wet).
> about 20 pinball coils
> Misc Beer advertising items
The paper is trashed, yeah. The signs and coils should be fine, just let
them dry out.
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Don H.
utility sink in the laundry room. We left to go eat out. An hour
later returned to find the basement ceiling "raining'! Had 3 pins
filled with water... :-(
You are correct on the corrugated boxes... more absorbent than a
sponge!
Best of luck with the cleanup... just leave those fans running for
several days over the carpet.
- Don
On Apr 29, 9:15 pm, SilverUnicorn <wmsp...@gmail.com> wrote:
Edmond
Chris,
Sorry man, that sucks!
I don't know if I will have the parts you need, but I have a bunch of
hyperball parts...if there was anything that you needed to use for your
game or something.
--Ed
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Ron Strom
@v8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, jvca...@yahoo.com says...[Snip...]
> > 2 neon signs (transformers got wet).
> >
>
> You can bake the coils on low heat ( 200 F would be good ) and they
> will be fine. I would try the transformers too, I have baked-out many
> electric components with great results. Just did a cordless phone that
> got wet last week :)
>
> Mamushka
>
a lot of tar around the coils which could possibly boil out.
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Pinballed
is mighty strong of you. Good on you!
Stan
TheKorn
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Oh man, SO sorry to hear that Chris! That has to be everybody's worst
nightmare.
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Well, the fans are still running :)
To all who advised, I thank you. I DO have a batter backup system. It
HAD been working fine, but apparently the "battery" indicator was
beeping while we were on vacation, because it was completely dead (I
had not thought to check it when we got home). So this was just a
comedy of errors all around which led to this situation.
I guess I upset the pinball karma gods or something :(
Thanks for the encouraging words, they do help alot. Hopefully I will
be able to same some of the stuff I think I lost, but the posters have
me REALLY bummed out.
Thank you also for the replies and e-mails offering me replacement
parts. I don't NEED anything now, and my purpose of posting was not
for hand outs but more to just let off some frustration. This
community is so aweseome for their generosity, and I appreciate the
gestures more than you know, but for now we're good:)
Chris
John T.
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>
> Well, the fans are still running :)
>
> To all who advised, I thank you. I DO have a batter backup system. It
> HAD been working fine, but apparently the "battery" indicator was
> beeping while we were on vacation, because it was completely dead (I
> had not thought to check it when we got home). So this was just a
> comedy of errors all around which led to this situation.
>
> I guess I upset the pinball karma gods or something :(
>
> Thanks for the encouraging words, they do help alot. Hopefully I will
> be able to same some of the stuff I think I lost, but the posters have
> me REALLY bummed out.
>
> Thank you also for the replies and e-mails offering me replacement
> parts. I don't NEED anything now, and my purpose of posting was not
> for hand outs but more to just let off some frustration. This
> community is so aweseome for their generosity, and I appreciate the
> gestures more than you know, but for now we're good:)
>
>
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Sorry to hear of your misfortune....
Most important is to get everything dry as fast as possible!!!
All the wood/carpet that was soaked will mildew/mold up very quickly
.Baseboards and drywall will start growing mold which would be really
bad news.
Anything you can take out and put in the Sun to dry,will speed up
lowering the humidity.
Good luck!
Been there,done that!
-John T.
David Gersic
> Sorry to hear of your misfortune....
> Most important is to get everything dry as fast as possible!!!
> All the wood/carpet that was soaked will mildew/mold up very quickly
> .Baseboards and drywall will start growing mold which would be really
> bad news.
Yeah. Lysol is your friend here. Douse the drywall if you can reach the
unpainted side. That'll help prevent mold.
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OYA
Sometimes putting magazines in the freezer for a while will dry them.
Just make sure they are laying flat, and be patient. I've sucessfully
revived several books that were soaked. It will work with electronic
items too.
Good luck.
SilverUnicorn
Thanks for all the ideas and replies. I am most worried about the
floor at this point. The games seem fine, the Neons DO work again
after a day in the sun. The posters are trashed along with the manuals
and flyers, so that sucks. The Pin Footies seem to be unharmed :)
The floor, well, we'll have to see. I have a fear that water got on
the underside of the laminate and now is "trapped" in there.
Ah, the joys of home ownership!
Chris
Mike O
We had water on our main floor last year and Service Master has these
big plates(like 3' x 4') that they laid on the modular hardwood floor
with a vacuum on it and was basically able to vacuum the water from
under the flooring. That one item alone couldn't be too expensive for
them to set up and rent for a few days. I don't know how much it cost
because our insurance company paid for it.
Mike O.
Team-EM
MonsterBash
When I finished my basement at the old house I installed a water
backup system which requires no power..batteries etc.
I think the whole kit was under $100 from Home depot
GPE
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> God that sucks!
>
> When I finished my basement at the old house I installed a water
> backup system which requires no power..batteries etc.
>
> I think the whole kit was under $100 from Home depot
>
Backup system that requires no power?
How does that work?
I have two sump pits in my basement. During rainy season, I get water in
the pit enough where the pump runs a few times. But have not -yet- ever run
into water in the pit and no power. I would like to put a backup pump into
the second pit as a 'just in case' pump. Looked into battery backup systems
and every one of them has bad reviews. Seems that they work fine right up
to the point of where they are actually needed... then die.
Ed
SilverUnicorn
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> > God that sucks!
>
> > When I finished my basement at the old house I installed a water
> > backup system which requires no power..batteries etc.
>
> > I think the whole kit was under $100 from Home depot
>
> Backup system that requires no power?
> How does that work?
>
>
I have heard of this, it actually hooks inline to the water line.
Problem is (for me) we're on well water, so if there's no power,. we
don't have water :(
Chris
Nina Olshan
I put a water-powered pump in our basement as a backup to the sump
pump as well. It uses the Venturi effect (no joke) to create a siphon.
It uses about two gallons of fresh water for every gallon of sump
water it ejects. The pump requires city water pressure, so you can't
use it on a well system.
I installed it myself, which was something of a fiasco. I forgot to
sweat one of the joints. Oops. Things spiraled from there.
But at least I got an article out of it. I wrote it up for Fine
Homebuilding, which published the story in their "Great Moments in
Building History" section.
So it wasn't a total wash...
--Matthew
mdolshan
Oops again. I guess I was signed in as my daughter...
--Matthew
MonsterBash
for city water
Here's an article
http://www.basepump.com/Basepump.htm
David Gersic
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>> God that sucks!
>>
>> When I finished my basement at the old house I installed a water
>> backup system which requires no power..batteries etc.
>>
>> I think the whole kit was under $100 from Home depot
>>
>
> Backup system that requires no power?
> How does that work?
I suspect that he's referring to a water powered pump head. You'll use a lot
of water, but it doesn't run on electricity, so it works when the power
is out.
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SilverUnicorn
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If anyone cares, here's an update :)
All the games (video and pin) appear to be working fine. 2 of my Atari
cabinets got water IN them, but they are drying out rather well, and
the games do work, which is a good thing.
Carpet under the pool table still damp. Noone around here has a steam
cleaner available for rent now (apparently they are a hot commodity
now, who knew!). I will keep shop vac'ing it to try to dry it out.
The floor is BAD :( - it's delaminating in some spots now and is
buckled at many of the joints. The thing is, it may only look bad to
me, but I can see every little flaw now :( Not sure where we'll go
from here with the flooring at this point. I can't afford to replace
it all (unless someone wants to buy my RFM / SWE1 for 5k :))
Thanks for all the well wishes and support, I really appreciated it
during my angry day, LOL.
Chris
metallik
> Carpet under the pool table still damp. Noone around here has a steam
> cleaner available for rent now (apparently they are a hot commodity
> now, who knew!). I will keep shop vac'ing it to try to dry it out.
Spray it with some mold/mildew killer (Tilex or Lysol or similar) -
this should help stop it from smelling bad and mildewing. Especially
get around the pool table feet, where you can't really dry the rug.
Stavs
I have a Hoover Steam cleaner you are welcome to borrow. I'm in Easton
and I think you are in Quakertown. Not sure if it will do the job, but
its something.
machine.slave
this happening to one of the nicest people in the hobby.. :(
Here's hoping the insurance company pulls through (just in time for
Tron?? -- trying to stay positive :)
- B
pingeek
in my basement, and it absored water like a sponge. Even when you dry
it out, the smell will most likely linger.
After you've gotten the flooding problem fixed, consider maybe
ripping, or hiring someone to rip out out the current flooring, and
replacing it with rubber flooring.
http://www.rubberflooringinc.com/home-gym-flooring.html
The gym flooring can handle quite a bit of weight, in other words,
pins!
It's made for indoor/outdoor use. If it gets wet, just dry it out.
Has the feel kinda of tile, looks like tile, but much more durable
than a hardwood floor, and something you can install yourself most
likely.
Also, possibly safer to set a playfield glass on a rubber floor than
say, concrete or wood?
Pingeek
http://www.pingeek.com
>
> The floor is BAD :( - it's delaminating in some spots now and is
> buckled at many of the joints. The thing is, it may only look bad to
> me, but I can see every little flaw now :( Not sure where we'll go
> from here with the flooring at this point. I can't afford to replace
> it all (unless someone wants to buy my RFM / SWE1 for 5k :))
>
> Thanks for all the well wishes and support, I really appreciated it
> during my angry day, LOL.
>
SilverUnicorn
Heh. Unfortunately, no flood insurance :(
I'm on my own here. Wish me luck! LOL
Chris
SilverUnicorn
> Well, the carpet, tear it out and ditch it. I tried putting carpeting
> in my basement, and it absored water like a sponge. Even when you dry
> it out, the smell will most likely linger.
>
> After you've gotten the flooding problem fixed, consider maybe
> ripping, or hiring someone to rip out out the current flooring, and
> replacing it with rubber flooring.
>
> http://www.rubberflooringinc.com/home-gym-flooring.html
>
> The gym flooring can handle quite a bit of weight, in other words,
> pins!
>
> It's made for indoor/outdoor use. If it gets wet, just dry it out.
> Has the feel kinda of tile, looks like tile, but much more durable
> than a hardwood floor, and something you can install yourself most
> likely.
>
> Also, possibly safer to set a playfield glass on a rubber floor than
> say, concrete or wood?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > The floor is BAD :( - it's delaminating in some spots now and is
> > buckled at many of the joints. The thing is, it may only look bad to
> > me, but I can see every little flaw now :( Not sure where we'll go
> > from here with the flooring at this point. I can't afford to replace
> > it all (unless someone wants to buy my RFM / SWE1 for 5k :))
>
> > Thanks for all the well wishes and support, I really appreciated it
> > during my angry day, LOL.
>
> > Chris- Hide quoted text -
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Wow, that stuff is pretty interesting! Like what they have at the gym
(yes, I HAVE been to a gym!).
That is an interesting idea actually. I may seriously look into that,
thank you for the link!
CHris
christopher Jones
>
>
> To all who advised, I thank you. I DO have a batter backup system. It
> HAD been working fine, but apparently the "battery" indicator was
> beeping while we were on vacation, because it was completely dead (I
> had not thought to check it when we got home).
>
One of the reasons that the NexPump Ai5600AN system was developed was
to avoid this very issue
www.nexpump.cm
SilverUnicorn
Just an update as I had some inquiries.
Everything is cleaned up, and for the most part, everything is dry
now. Took about a week to get everything cleaned up, dried out, and
put back in place.
All the machines work and all in all, the videos received relatively
little damage considering how much water we got,. The only games that
had water INSIDE them were the two System 1 machines.. They are dry
now, and at least at first glance don't seem to have any swelling that
I could tell.
The floor seems to have taken the biggest hit. It's hard to tell from
the photos, but the flooring is warped and buckled at the joints. Not
horrendous, but I see it all. I had some prople over last night and if
I had not pointed out all the flaws thay likely would nto have thought
anything of it.
The most obvious damage is at the support poles. The MDF that our
contractor wrapped the poles in warped pretty badly.
These pics were taken last night. All in all it's still pretty good
down there, for which I am very lucky and thankful.
I would like to thank everyone for their support, encouragement, and
offers for help. It really reminded me what a great community this is.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3002/5698082704_6d16778751.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3648/5697508699_75a0ee0755.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3128/5698083810_b76a93dfb6.jpg
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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3310/5697510099_6f4b342ba6.jpg
Thanks again!
Chris
djcharlie17
Best of luck with the salvage! Sure hope it works out as well as it
can anyway.
Charlie
http://www.spookypinball.com
>
> Have a great weekend everyone!
>
> Chris