$500 Gorgar Opinions

[Galt]

Found a non working Gorgar for $500. From the pictures and
description, the cabinet, playfield and backglass look very good.

Everything is there and the owner says that it blows a fuse when he
turns it on. It did work a few years ago.

I am going to look at the machine now. I will look for the obvious,
water damage, battery leakage etc.

What else is a deal killer for a $500 Gorgar? What should I look for?

I have found working machines in rough shape for $700.

[CEG]

I'd grab it if it was complete and no pf wear

chas

[John Dayhuff]

On Feb 26, 1:01 pm, Galt <troyandan...@comcast.net> wrote:

Personally I stay away from the game, at almost any price. Very hard
to sell it when the time comes. Atleast around here. I've had two of
them and both were nice, shopped and working 100% and I struggled to
get $450 out of them. Its one of those games that everyone wants but
nobody can buy because its got the devil on it and there wife,
girlfriend, kids, preacher.......wont like the game.

$500 for a non working one?? I'd run and not walk away if it were me,
but thats just my two cents.

John P. Dayhuff
Battle Creek, Mi.
269-979-3836

[Septo]

Then it would be prime time to get a new wife, find a cooler, more
level-headed girlfriend, smarter kids and keep the preacher the hell
out of the house....
Doc

[tcvid...@yahoo.ca]

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Here.Here. I totally agree DOC.Nobody is going to dictate what games I
can and cannot have in MY arcade.So my Gorgar stays right where it
is.They are actually much sought after in my area,sometimes selling
for the $800 range.The fact that it is the first talking machine made
holds value.
Todd

[Ray Ayala]

I wouldn't run away from this just yet. I bought one with a near
perfect backglass, excellent playfield and excellent cabinet for $600.
It had bad battery corrosion and several coils had been cut due to them
being locked on as a result. (I was fortunate that the driver board was
corroded because this thing had sat in a garage for over ten years as a
result) Nowadays, I would've tried to repair the boards myself,
however; I sent them to K's Arcade (MPU and Driver Board) for repairs.
Total repairs (including having to replace the fubarred driver board)
was $274 in February of last year. Since then, I've clearcoated the
playfield and triplethicked the backglass. I put in Cointaker red retro
LEDs for GI (looks VERY evil) and LEDs throughout the entire machine.
Upgraded the flippers recently to the modern, self-contained mechanisms
(pinball life) for a far snappier response. I made my own custom topper
out of a plastic skull with LEDs that flash with the snake pit. Last
week, I installed the soundboard capacitor kit from Great Plains. All
in all, it was worth every cent. I love this game! It looks, sounds
and plays awesome. I'll never sell it.

Working on Gorgar and watching it progress to the state it's in now was
a lot of fun. With the exception of the boards, I did all the work on
it myself and found it to be a rewarding experience. It basically comes
down to what you want to do with it and what you're willing to sacrifice
(time and money) to get it dialed in. If everything is there, I don't
think you could go wrong. Deal breakers for me would be a crappy
playfield, peeling backglass and a torn up cabinet. Electronics can be
repaired/replaced for a reasonable price. A peeling backglass can't be
repaired, only replaced and that gets spendy. Same thing with a badly
worn playfield. There are artists who can do it, but again, spendy.

If this is a game you just want to play for a little while and sell,
then pay close attention to the boards, transistors, the 40 pin
connector. Check for burnt coils and melted wiring. However, if this
is a game you want to cut you teeth on as a restoration project, go for
it. This thing could be blowing a fuse simply because of bad
connectors, or a bad rectifier etc. Other guys here on on RGP are far
more experienced at guiding you through troubleshooting the electronics
than me. ;)

Keep us posted. If you buy it and need advice, you know where to ask
for it!

Ray


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Ray Ayala
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[dasvis]

John Dayhuff;1893473 Wrote:
> On Feb 26, 1:01*pm, Galt <troyandan... (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote:
> > Found a non working Gorgar for $500. *From the pictures and

> > description, the cabinet, playfield and backglass look very good.
> >

> > *Everything is there and the owner says that *it blows a fuse when he
> > turns it on. *It did work a few years ago.
> >
> > I am going to look at the machine now. *I will look for the obvious,

> > water damage, battery leakage etc.
> >

> > What else is a deal killer for a $500 Gorgar? *What should I look

> for?
> >
> > I have found working machines in rough shape for $700.
>
> Personally I stay away from the game, at almost any price. Very hard
> to sell it when the time comes. Atleast around here. I've had two of
> them and both were nice, shopped and working 100% and I struggled to
> get $450 out of them. Its one of those games that everyone wants but
> nobody can buy because its got the devil on it and there wife,
> girlfriend, kids, preacher.......wont like the game.
>
> $500 for a non working one?? I'd run and not walk away if it were me,
> but thats just my two cents.
>
> John P. Dayhuff
> Battle Creek, Mi.
> 269-979-3836

Really? Here on the West coast it's tough to get ANY decent SS for a
halfway reasonable price, let alone one that has some demand.


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dasvis

[AVP Pinball Division]

"Galt" <troyan...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ba834a95-e6cd-4615...@9g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...

Missing boards or a severe corrosion would be the only deal killers. GPE
has the 40-pin interconnects. My guess for the fuse would be a shorted
transistor/coil combination.

--
Pistol Pete
AVP Pinball Division
Towson, MD
410-583-9200
web: http://www.AVPpinball.com
email: ser...@AVPpinball.com

[John Dayhuff]

Yeah REALLY. Around here its a $500 game at best and thats shopped
and working all the way. Another is DD, which is a better game and
worth more but its still hard game to sell because of the entire devil
thing.. I agree with the guy that said about getting a different
girfriend etc...but it seems like everyone that calls or emails me
about the game doesn't check with these people first and when were
almost ready to close the deal they always come back and say " sorry I
cant buy the game because its got the devil on it ". Even when I see
these games for cheap I still stay away for what it is.

[Captain Neo]

i'd have to agree with john. Older games like this don't resell very
well at all. If in super nice condtion, fully working, you might get
$900 for it on a good day. I'm sure the boards are full of acid
damage, and it's not just a fuse.

[Dan Q very much]

On Feb 26, 12:07 pm, John Dayhuff <pinhead6...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Its one of those games that everyone wants but
> nobody can buy because its got the devil on it and there wife,
> girlfriend, kids, preacher.......wont like the game.

You'd think with all the devil worshipers out there the pious are
always warning us about, it would be in high demand!

And that's not "the devil," that's just one demon, who goes by the
name of GORGAR!

And he's not very bright as demons go, he talks like Tarzan or Tonto.

I think it would look good next to an AC/DC...

[AVP Pinball Division]

"Captain Neo" <nwo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fbc31041-6635-4776...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...

> I'm sure the boards are full of acid
> damage, and it's not just a fuse.

I'm still trying to figure out how one gets acid damage from an alkaline
battery... :(

[Dan Q very much]

On Feb 26, 2:34 pm, "AVP Pinball Division" <serv...@avppinball.com>
wrote:

> I'm still trying to figure out how one gets acid damage from an alkaline
> battery...  :(

The pH of the board is too acidic, compared to the goo coming out of
the battery? ;)

[pinbal...@hotmail.com]

I saw it too on CL. I was thinking of buying it and I already have a
pristine one. I would have no trouble selling mine, I've already been
offered over a grand for it. Go pick it up, get yourself a new
Rottendog board and enjoy it, it's a classic!

[Frank Furhter]

Found a very nice example for 300, they are out there.

[ScottinSGFNY]

If that's really the case I should be able to pick up an AC/DC with
those devil horns really cheap after everyone's wife makes them get it
out of the house!

Scott

[Steve H]

I have sold two in Ontario Canada and I have had no problem getting a
decent price.
My first game too. Kids and wife were okay with it. However the wife
would not let me pick up a SS because of the spider. I am
so pissed that I did not.
Steve

[Galt]

On Feb 26, 5:04 pm, ScottinSGFNY <serv...@theprinterrepairguy.com>

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Thanks for all of the opinions. I ended up dragging this one home.
It was too nice to pass up. Backglass is perfect, cabinet is very
nice, playfield has minimal wear and no broken plastics. I have
always wanted a Gorgar and the wife has no problem with the demon on
it! As far as leaking battery damage....there is none. In fact, the
battery holder has been removed altogether.

I shouldn't have tried to turn it on. But, I couldn't wait, so I
plugged it in and hit the switch. It lit up with a buzzing noise and
one of the transistors got so hot that it smoked and stunk up the
house.

Any help in sorting this out would be appreciated. The fuse that was
blowing is the solenoid fuse and three solenoids under the playfield
look burnt.

[Ray Ayala]

Galt;1893628 Wrote:
> On Feb 26, 5:04*pm, ScottinSGFNY <serv... (AT) theprinterrepairguy (DOT)
> com>
> wrote:
> > On Feb 26, 1:07*pm, John Dayhuff <pinhead6... (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 26, 1:01*pm, Galt <troyandan... (AT) comcast (DOT) net>

> wrote:
> >
> > > > Found a non working Gorgar for $500. *From the pictures and

> > > > description, the cabinet, playfield and backglass look very good.
> >

> > > > *Everything is there and the owner says that *it blows a fuse when
> he
> > > > turns it on. *It did work a few years ago.
> >
> > > > I am going to look at the machine now. *I will look for the

> obvious,
> > > > water damage, battery leakage etc.
> >

> > > > What else is a deal killer for a $500 Gorgar? *What should I look

> for?
> >
> > > > I have found working machines in rough shape for $700.
> >

> > > Personally I stay away from the game, *at almost any price. *Very
> hard
> > > to sell it when the time comes. *Atleast around here. *I've had two

> of
> > > them and both were nice, shopped and working 100% and I struggled
> to

> > > get $450 out of them. *Its one of those games that everyone wants

> but
> > > nobody can buy because its got the devil on it and there wife,
> > > girlfriend, kids, preacher.......wont like the game.
> >

> > > $500 for a non working one?? *I'd run and not walk away if it were

> me,
> > > but thats just my two cents.
> >
> > > John P. Dayhuff
> > > Battle Creek, Mi.269-979-3836
> >
> > If that's really the case I should be able to pick up an AC/DC with
> > those devil horns really cheap after everyone's wife makes them get
> it
> > out of the house!
> >
> > Scott- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Thanks for all of the opinions. I ended up dragging this one home.
> It was too nice to pass up. Backglass is perfect, cabinet is very
> nice, playfield has minimal wear and no broken plastics. I have
> always wanted a Gorgar and the wife has no problem with the demon on
> it! As far as leaking battery damage....there is none. In fact, the
> battery holder has been removed altogether.
>
> I shouldn't have tried to turn it on. But, I couldn't wait, so I
> plugged it in and hit the switch. It lit up with a buzzing noise and
> one of the transistors got so hot that it smoked and stunk up the
> house.
>
> Any help in sorting this out would be appreciated. The fuse that was
> blowing is the solenoid fuse and three solenoids under the playfield
> look burnt.

Congratulations! Glad to here it.

Now comes the fun part.:D

Guys like Lloyd Olsen and seymour.shabow will undoubtedly offer you some
excellent advice. (Others will too, I just don't know their names)

That transistor is probably fried, as are those coils. Obviously,
you'll need to replace the transistor and coils, but before turning the
game on again, you'll need to find out WHY those coils were locked on
and fried in the first place. Start with the basic stuff first,
checking the wiring for shorts. If you know how to check transistors
with a multimeter, check them all. If not, for now, go to:

http://pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

and start your research. It really doesn't sound like your problems are
that bad. You may even want to start a new thread, title it something
like:

Tech: Gorgar coils locked on and burnt. What do I do now?

Those guys will chime in and start you on your path.

Do you have the schematics? I recommend picking them up so you can see
which transistors drive which coils. You can also determine whether the
coils are part of the same row/column. I suspect somewhere, the
transistors driving the coils locked on because of a short somewhere in
the system. Follow all the wires on the coils and see if you can find
it. As was mentioned earlier, the 40 pin connectors may need replacing,
or at the very least, reflowing and cleaning. They should be checked
for cracked solder joints, the male pins for condition, the female
connectors for strength.

Check the orientation of the fried coils and make sure the lugs aren't
coming into contact with any metal, just in case.

Good Luck and have fun,

Ray


--
Ray Ayala

[pinbal...@hotmail.com]

Are you from Pittsburgh? I assume we're talking about the same pin.

[Ray Ayala]

The fact that the battery holder is missing is suspect. Take a good look
at the edge of the 40 pin connector, the chips and transistors below
that spot. On mine, the connector was fine, but the transistors had
green corrosion.