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FunkyDevil
Apr 26, 2012, 10:23:01 AM4/26/12
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Turns out that pinball hall of fame on the console has a pinlame
programmer on it's staff.
I always suspected it , as the pinball hall of fame games started to
act like pinlame in the way the ball would fly all over the place like
it was coated in flubber.
And the pinball would get "lost" causing the game to reset a new
pinball.
And some say it has the problem of the pinball going through the
flippers.
PinLame is what I call pinMame.
There is a reason pinlame is free , because it sucks , and it's the
worst kind of pirated material , half original and half "fan made".
FROM FACEBOOK :
(Yah, Steve Ellenoff (of PinMAME fame) is the emulation engineer for
both Pinball Hall of Fame and TPA.)
This is a one star review on Amazon , not by me.
http://www.amazon.com/review/R12RBLD0VCS6O0/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B004Q4PE3O&nodeID=&tag=&linkCode=
"The physics are pretty terrible. The ball has no weight and just
floats. It's pretty bad, really."
ALSO REDDIT DISCUSSION :
http://www.reddit.com/r/pinball/comments/s38q4/pinball_arcade_warning/
"And the physics on black hole are egregiously bugged"
"The ball feels a little floaty at times (and is harder to trap than
on the real life versions of the tables)"
This is from his site : http://www.swfox.net/2011/SteveEllenoff.aspx
"Steve fulfilled a childhood dream in 2009 when he was hired to do
contract work to help develop the video game:
Williams Pinball Hall of Fame for XBOX360 and Sony Playstation 3"
Aww isn't that cute , a childhood dream of destroying pinball for a
whole new generation.
Complete with his terrible programming.
And it's an ugly looking person thing also on that swfox under his
name.
And probably the reason they are having problems putting it on the
NINTENDO 3DS because of his horrible emulation skills.
You should see Fun house on the 3DS , the emulation lags. Go ahead ,
blame the 3DS , I know better.
If there is a pinlamer involved , there is your reason.
And it is really unfortunate that those in charge of Pinball arcade
and Hall of fame have lowered themselves to hiring this complete idiot
of a douchebag.
Or being influenced by that shit program pinLame.
Terrible news because now I know it will never get any better ,
as that guy is just some pirate programmer douchebag.
The reality is if you play REAL pinball or even ZEN PINBALL then try
to play Pinball hall of fame ,
or pinlame , you will see that Pinball hall of fame is a laughable
joke , it has all the right looks and sounds ,
but holy shit that pinball sure does jump around.
At least now I know for sure what I always suspected based on the
ball physics flying all over the place.
Also the pinball gets "lost" and the game has to reset fairly often.
Total visual pinLame bullshit.
And one less reason to feel bad once these games can be pirated on
ALL consoles.
And if they are hiring that idiot it is clear they are influenced by
that shit program pinLame.
Ball physics in Zen pinball , which I currently believe has no
pinlame programmers ,
the ball does not fly all over the place like it's coated in flubber ,
man would I be disappointed if pinlame had anything to do with Zen
pinball , but judging on ball physics I can say I don't see it.
And I have yet to see the ball get "lost" in Zen pinball.
But I always suspected pinlame programming in Pinball hall of fame ,
I really did.
I just never looked into it because I really hoped it was not true ,
oh well.
This is a one star review on Amazon , not by me.
http://www.amazon.com/review/R12RBLD0VCS6O0/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B004Q4PE3O&nodeID=&tag=&linkCode=
"The physics are pretty terrible. The ball has no weight and just
floats. It's pretty bad, really."
ALSO REDDIT DISCUSSION :
http://www.reddit.com/r/pinball/comments/s38q4/pinball_arcade_warning/
"And the physics on black hole are egregiously bugged"
"The ball feels a little floaty at times (and is harder to trap than
on the real life versions of the tables)"
======================================================================================================================================================
PINLAME REVIEW (pinmame)
There is a reason pinlame is free , because it sucks , and it's the
worst kind of pirated material , half original and half "fan made".
I don't play pinlame because I don't want to play some basement
dwellers "version" of a great pinball table.
What was once a great pinball table has been reduced to a cartoon
caricature with bad physics and no quality control.
Then they talk around the internet forums as if they had created the
table from their own design and talent.
And the mods back them up , and the programmers are their friends.
And according to R. Belmont from MAME they sell stolen code from MAME.
And then we get garbage like Pinball hall of Fame.
The market is wide open for change.
Why is no one else stepping up , other than Zen Pinball ? There are a
couple of others but I have not played them yet.
Why is someone who is NOT a pinLamer making these arcade tables ? It's
tragic.
We need to get away from pinlame programmers. They are ruining
pinball and its legacy.
Play a real pinball game , then come back to Pinball hall of fame ,
and realize the truth.
Pinball hall of fame is a TOY in comparison.
programmer on it's staff.
I always suspected it , as the pinball hall of fame games started to
act like pinlame in the way the ball would fly all over the place like
it was coated in flubber.
And the pinball would get "lost" causing the game to reset a new
pinball.
And some say it has the problem of the pinball going through the
flippers.
PinLame is what I call pinMame.
There is a reason pinlame is free , because it sucks , and it's the
worst kind of pirated material , half original and half "fan made".
FROM FACEBOOK :
(Yah, Steve Ellenoff (of PinMAME fame) is the emulation engineer for
both Pinball Hall of Fame and TPA.)
This is a one star review on Amazon , not by me.
http://www.amazon.com/review/R12RBLD0VCS6O0/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B004Q4PE3O&nodeID=&tag=&linkCode=
"The physics are pretty terrible. The ball has no weight and just
floats. It's pretty bad, really."
ALSO REDDIT DISCUSSION :
http://www.reddit.com/r/pinball/comments/s38q4/pinball_arcade_warning/
"And the physics on black hole are egregiously bugged"
"The ball feels a little floaty at times (and is harder to trap than
on the real life versions of the tables)"
This is from his site : http://www.swfox.net/2011/SteveEllenoff.aspx
"Steve fulfilled a childhood dream in 2009 when he was hired to do
contract work to help develop the video game:
Williams Pinball Hall of Fame for XBOX360 and Sony Playstation 3"
Aww isn't that cute , a childhood dream of destroying pinball for a
whole new generation.
Complete with his terrible programming.
And it's an ugly looking person thing also on that swfox under his
name.
And probably the reason they are having problems putting it on the
NINTENDO 3DS because of his horrible emulation skills.
You should see Fun house on the 3DS , the emulation lags. Go ahead ,
blame the 3DS , I know better.
If there is a pinlamer involved , there is your reason.
And it is really unfortunate that those in charge of Pinball arcade
and Hall of fame have lowered themselves to hiring this complete idiot
of a douchebag.
Or being influenced by that shit program pinLame.
Terrible news because now I know it will never get any better ,
as that guy is just some pirate programmer douchebag.
The reality is if you play REAL pinball or even ZEN PINBALL then try
to play Pinball hall of fame ,
or pinlame , you will see that Pinball hall of fame is a laughable
joke , it has all the right looks and sounds ,
but holy shit that pinball sure does jump around.
At least now I know for sure what I always suspected based on the
ball physics flying all over the place.
Also the pinball gets "lost" and the game has to reset fairly often.
Total visual pinLame bullshit.
And one less reason to feel bad once these games can be pirated on
ALL consoles.
And if they are hiring that idiot it is clear they are influenced by
that shit program pinLame.
Ball physics in Zen pinball , which I currently believe has no
pinlame programmers ,
the ball does not fly all over the place like it's coated in flubber ,
man would I be disappointed if pinlame had anything to do with Zen
pinball , but judging on ball physics I can say I don't see it.
And I have yet to see the ball get "lost" in Zen pinball.
But I always suspected pinlame programming in Pinball hall of fame ,
I really did.
I just never looked into it because I really hoped it was not true ,
oh well.
This is a one star review on Amazon , not by me.
http://www.amazon.com/review/R12RBLD0VCS6O0/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B004Q4PE3O&nodeID=&tag=&linkCode=
"The physics are pretty terrible. The ball has no weight and just
floats. It's pretty bad, really."
ALSO REDDIT DISCUSSION :
http://www.reddit.com/r/pinball/comments/s38q4/pinball_arcade_warning/
"And the physics on black hole are egregiously bugged"
"The ball feels a little floaty at times (and is harder to trap than
on the real life versions of the tables)"
======================================================================================================================================================
PINLAME REVIEW (pinmame)
There is a reason pinlame is free , because it sucks , and it's the
worst kind of pirated material , half original and half "fan made".
I don't play pinlame because I don't want to play some basement
dwellers "version" of a great pinball table.
What was once a great pinball table has been reduced to a cartoon
caricature with bad physics and no quality control.
Then they talk around the internet forums as if they had created the
table from their own design and talent.
And the mods back them up , and the programmers are their friends.
And according to R. Belmont from MAME they sell stolen code from MAME.
And then we get garbage like Pinball hall of Fame.
The market is wide open for change.
Why is no one else stepping up , other than Zen Pinball ? There are a
couple of others but I have not played them yet.
Why is someone who is NOT a pinLamer making these arcade tables ? It's
tragic.
We need to get away from pinlame programmers. They are ruining
pinball and its legacy.
Play a real pinball game , then come back to Pinball hall of fame ,
and realize the truth.
Pinball hall of fame is a TOY in comparison.
Pacpin
Apr 26, 2012, 10:40:13 AM4/26/12
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Video pinball is not as good as real pinball. I think we all knew that
already.
--
Pacpin
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rommy
Apr 26, 2012, 11:10:10 AM4/26/12
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Pacpin;1930054 Wrote:
> Video pinball is not as good as real pinball. I think we all knew that
> already.
also great and the support for it from the community is impressive. How
else are you going to play CC if you can't get to a real one? VPin
allows you to try out a table and explore the rules. Vpin resembles real
pinball in the same way Madden resembles real football - no comparison.
Same for tennis or golf or whatever. The arcade simulated version is not
meant to be the real thing. It is meant to be a game.
On a separate note, VPin is what got me into the hobby. After trying out
some tables I knew I would have to have the real thing.
--
rommy
seymour.shabow
Apr 26, 2012, 11:28:53 AM4/26/12
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itself is fine, it does what it's supposed to, emulate the boardsets.
It's the graphical front end interface he's bitching about, which isn't
an emulation at all but a simulation. Not a great one as he notes ad
infinitum.
Noah Fentz
Apr 26, 2012, 11:18:36 AM4/26/12
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misinformation.
You should apologize to Steve, since anyone who has ANY knowledge of
PinMAME knows it doesn't have ANYTHING to do with physics. It
exclusively handles ROM emulation.
:facepalm:
Jeff Rivera
Apr 26, 2012, 11:20:58 AM4/26/12
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My original post didn't make it (surprise! I used Google to post), so
I'll re-iterate what I said before. It's not nearly as bouncy as he's
making it out to be. Both the Pinball Hall of Fame and The Pinball
Arcade releases do a good job. You'll never get accurate physics in a
pinball video game, because the amount power it would take and the cost
of development would be astronomical.
Take what you can get, and appreciate it when the end result is fun.
--
Jeff Rivera
Jeff Rivera (jar155)
Apr 26, 2012, 10:42:46 AM4/26/12
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I think you're getting a bit too worked up here. The games are fun to
play and it's nowhere near as bouncy as you're making it out to be.
play and it's nowhere near as bouncy as you're making it out to be.
fastenoughforu
Apr 26, 2012, 11:27:25 AM4/26/12
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too long, did not read.
rommy
Apr 26, 2012, 11:28:39 AM4/26/12
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Jeff Rivera;1930082 Wrote:
>
>
> Take what you can get, and appreciate it when the end result is fun.
sitting at the office if a desire to play BBB comes over me - this is
the only option. Or CC, or LW3, or etc. Wanna find out if the callouts
on a game are just too much? or want to know if the music is just too
much? Vpin is a great option if you can't get to the real tables. I live
in Arkansas, the pinball desert. Playing a pin in the wild is at least a
three hour drive.
--
rommy
seymour.shabow
Apr 26, 2012, 11:44:37 AM4/26/12
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fastenoughforu wrote:
> too long, did not read.
You could have read the first screen only since he repeats it 3 times.
> too long, did not read.
TheKorn
Apr 26, 2012, 11:51:44 AM4/26/12
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FunkyDevil <qs8r...@sneakemail.com> wrote in
news:47a731a5-ba2e-403b...@9g2000yqp.googlegroups.com:
> Turns out that pinball hall of fame on the console has a pinlame
> programmer on it's staff.
> I always suspected it , as the pinball hall of fame games started to
> act like pinlame in the way the ball would fly all over the place like
> it was coated in flubber.
> And the pinball would get "lost" causing the game to reset a new
> pinball.
> And some say it has the problem of the pinball going through the
> flippers.
>
> PinLame is what I call pinMame.
> There is a reason pinlame is free , because it sucks , and it's the
> worst kind of pirated material , half original and half "fan made".
>
> FROM FACEBOOK :
> (Yah, Steve Ellenoff (of PinMAME fame) is the emulation engineer for
> both Pinball Hall of Fame and TPA.)
Get your rant straight:
Pinmame emulates the hardware, i.e. the CPU, displays, etc.
visual pinball recreates (not emulates) the physical table... the actual pop
bumpers, flippers, and the ball physics.
Your beef is with visual pinball, not pinmame. (I somewhat agree with your beef;
I think vpinball's physics stink out loud; one of the reasons I've never really
gotten into it.)
--
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news:47a731a5-ba2e-403b...@9g2000yqp.googlegroups.com:
> Turns out that pinball hall of fame on the console has a pinlame
> programmer on it's staff.
> I always suspected it , as the pinball hall of fame games started to
> act like pinlame in the way the ball would fly all over the place like
> it was coated in flubber.
> And the pinball would get "lost" causing the game to reset a new
> pinball.
> And some say it has the problem of the pinball going through the
> flippers.
>
> PinLame is what I call pinMame.
> There is a reason pinlame is free , because it sucks , and it's the
> worst kind of pirated material , half original and half "fan made".
>
> FROM FACEBOOK :
> (Yah, Steve Ellenoff (of PinMAME fame) is the emulation engineer for
> both Pinball Hall of Fame and TPA.)
Pinmame emulates the hardware, i.e. the CPU, displays, etc.
visual pinball recreates (not emulates) the physical table... the actual pop
bumpers, flippers, and the ball physics.
Your beef is with visual pinball, not pinmame. (I somewhat agree with your beef;
I think vpinball's physics stink out loud; one of the reasons I've never really
gotten into it.)
--
Have a home video that's trapped on your camera? Want to share it on the web or
on DVD?
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snowdale
Apr 26, 2012, 11:54:09 AM4/26/12
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Nothing is quit as good as Zen Pinball. They are the leader in video
pinball, HANDS DOWN!!
--
snowdale
bowz
Apr 26, 2012, 12:11:44 PM4/26/12
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I'm really not sure what your point is here. I really enjoy the
Pinball Arcade, and think the programmers over there are doing a
pretty solid job. I've got it on the Ipad, and while some tables(BOP,
TOM, TOTAN) seem to play a little better than the others (MM-the
flippers are too far apart, RBION-ball moves unrealistically fast), I
still enjoy playing all the tables.
Now do I play it when I'm at home? No-I walk down to the basement and
play the real thing. When I've got an hour train ride to work and
home, the Pinball Arcade gets a ton of play.
Maybe, just maybe, some constructive criticism to the programmers
about what's wrong with game might actually help, instead of whining
about how it sucks.
As for Zen Pinball, which I also like, but I've never played a pinball
machine where the ball hits the slingslots, and gently falls onto the
other flipper...
Bowz
Pinball Arcade, and think the programmers over there are doing a
pretty solid job. I've got it on the Ipad, and while some tables(BOP,
TOM, TOTAN) seem to play a little better than the others (MM-the
flippers are too far apart, RBION-ball moves unrealistically fast), I
still enjoy playing all the tables.
Now do I play it when I'm at home? No-I walk down to the basement and
play the real thing. When I've got an hour train ride to work and
home, the Pinball Arcade gets a ton of play.
Maybe, just maybe, some constructive criticism to the programmers
about what's wrong with game might actually help, instead of whining
about how it sucks.
As for Zen Pinball, which I also like, but I've never played a pinball
machine where the ball hits the slingslots, and gently falls onto the
other flipper...
Bowz
Craig
Apr 26, 2012, 12:26:52 PM4/26/12
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There are fatal bugs in the Xbox 360 version. 3 times now the ball will
get lost in RBION and the ball search will not find it, nor will the
game time out and put a new ball in play. The only way to progress is
to quit the game, wiping out your score and any in game achievements in
the process. Very frustrating when you are 1 shot from Atlantis...
--
Craig
Frank Furhter
Apr 26, 2012, 1:33:54 PM4/26/12
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Congratulations, a large bucket of shit you just posted.
Video pinball is blow no matter how you spin the ball about it.
Video pinball is blow no matter how you spin the ball about it.
Pinwizkid
Apr 26, 2012, 1:29:44 PM4/26/12
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On Apr 26, 10:23 am, FunkyDevil <qs8rzr...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
> Turns out that pinball hall of fame on the console has a pinlame
> programmer on it's staff.
> I always suspected it , as the pinball hall of fame games started to
> act like pinlame in the way the ball would fly all over the place like
> it was coated in flubber.
> And the pinball would get "lost" causing the game to reset a new
> pinball.
> And some say it has the problem of the pinball going through the
> flippers.
>
> PinLame is what I call pinMame.
> There is a reason pinlame is free , because it sucks , and it's the
> worst kind of pirated material , half original and half "fan made".
>
> FROM FACEBOOK :
> (Yah, Steve Ellenoff (of PinMAME fame) is the emulation engineer for
> both Pinball Hall of Fame and TPA.)
>
> This is a one star review on Amazon , not by me.http://www.amazon.com/review/R12RBLD0VCS6O0/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8...
> Turns out that pinball hall of fame on the console has a pinlame
> programmer on it's staff.
> I always suspected it , as the pinball hall of fame games started to
> act like pinlame in the way the ball would fly all over the place like
> it was coated in flubber.
> And the pinball would get "lost" causing the game to reset a new
> pinball.
> And some say it has the problem of the pinball going through the
> flippers.
>
> PinLame is what I call pinMame.
> There is a reason pinlame is free , because it sucks , and it's the
> worst kind of pirated material , half original and half "fan made".
>
> FROM FACEBOOK :
> (Yah, Steve Ellenoff (of PinMAME fame) is the emulation engineer for
> both Pinball Hall of Fame and TPA.)
>
the pinball software created from 1975 to present. It is NOT about
replacing pinball or emulating the pinball playing experience on the
computer, even though that was a natural off shoot of the project.
Anyone who is truly passionate about pinball as an art form or
cultural entity should appreciate the PinMAME project as it has
allowed the preservation of decades of digital information that makes
these machines operate. The simulation end of it (which is separate
from PinMAME by the way) is exactly that - a simulation. It will never
replace pinball, but it certainly gives more people an avenue to
appreciate these games for their art, sound, and design.
-Brendan
PinballCharlie
Apr 26, 2012, 1:39:19 PM4/26/12
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I think it's pretty good and enjoy it for pins I am considering owning. It is certainly great for learning rulesets if you don't have access to the real thing.
I think the best video pinball ever produced is still Timeshock! And the second best, which is far away from first, would be Metroid Prime Pinball for the Nintendo DS.
I think the best video pinball ever produced is still Timeshock! And the second best, which is far away from first, would be Metroid Prime Pinball for the Nintendo DS.
Wizardry
Apr 26, 2012, 3:21:57 PM4/26/12
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Craig;1930135 Wrote:
> There are fatal bugs in the Xbox 360 version. 3 times now the ball will
> get lost in RBION and the ball search will not find it, nor will the
> game time out and put a new ball in play. The only way to progress is
> to quit the game, wiping out your score and any in game achievements in
> the process. Very frustrating when you are 1 shot from Atlantis...
reset a lost ball to the shooter lane?
My favorites are Pinball Dreams and Pinball Fantasies. I wish DICE would
take a break from Battlefield and make another pinball simulation. I
like Zen/Pinball FX, but the tables are too gimmicky and unlike real
pinball.
--
Wizardry
Craig
Apr 26, 2012, 4:30:00 PM4/26/12
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Ironically when you "call the attendant" it says that there is no ball
stuck!
--
Craig
rob046
Apr 26, 2012, 4:30:10 PM4/26/12
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On Apr 26, 10:23 am, FunkyDevil <qs8rzr...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
> Turns out that pinball hall of fame on the console has a pinlame
> programmer on it's staff.
> I always suspected it , as the pinball hall of fame games started to
> act like pinlame in the way the ball would fly all over the place like
> it was coated in flubber.
> And the pinball would get "lost" causing the game to reset a new
> pinball.
> And some say it has the problem of the pinball going through the
> flippers.
>
> PinLame is what I call pinMame.
> There is a reason pinlame is free , because it sucks , and it's the
> worst kind of pirated material , half original and half "fan made".
>
> FROM FACEBOOK :
> (Yah, Steve Ellenoff (of PinMAME fame) is the emulation engineer for
> both Pinball Hall of Fame and TPA.)
>
> This is a one star review on Amazon , not by me.http://www.amazon.com/review/R12RBLD0VCS6O0/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8...
> programmer on it's staff.
> I always suspected it , as the pinball hall of fame games started to
> act like pinlame in the way the ball would fly all over the place like
> it was coated in flubber.
> And the pinball would get "lost" causing the game to reset a new
> pinball.
> And some say it has the problem of the pinball going through the
> flippers.
>
> PinLame is what I call pinMame.
> There is a reason pinlame is free , because it sucks , and it's the
> worst kind of pirated material , half original and half "fan made".
>
> FROM FACEBOOK :
> (Yah, Steve Ellenoff (of PinMAME fame) is the emulation engineer for
> both Pinball Hall of Fame and TPA.)
>
Normally I'm OK with opinions, except when they are wrong. Even the
meat of your argument is debunked by fact, so why should anybody
listen to any of it.
GlebeCS
Apr 26, 2012, 5:56:38 PM4/26/12
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but this seems more like trolling to
me, we all know that nothing beats the real thing, but my kids enjoy MM
on the iPad in the car etc, certainly better than some of the crap apps
out there.
Andy
--
GlebeCS
destruk
Apr 26, 2012, 8:44:19 PM4/26/12
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Without Steve, there wouldn't be NuCore in its current form, so maybe he
isn't so "Lame" after all huh? Thanks for your opinion anyway, Steve
doesn't program Visual Pinball though.
--
destruk
bara...@gmail.com
Apr 26, 2012, 11:20:56 PM4/26/12
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aberdeentp
Apr 27, 2012, 12:59:29 AM4/27/12
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I don't know if I should be ashamed to admit but I can enjoy the pinball
games on my kids Wii. Especially when you can unlock stuff and turn off
the tilt. You can make the ball do all kinds of crazy things.
--
aberdeentp
lawle...@gmail.com
Apr 27, 2012, 6:36:18 AM4/27/12
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The emulation of the table ROMs has absolutely nothing to do with the physics engine. Next time, educate yourself on the difference between ROM emulation and ball physics before you publicly make a fool out of yourself.
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