Todd Nathan AKA Frank Furhter

[Starfighter]

Greetings RGP brothers.

Many of you have speculated about the identity of the goo stuck to the
bottom of the RGP sneaker. Well it turns out that a fella named Todd
Nathan is our very own Frankster, the playfield prankster.

Now Todd, you can continue with the keyboard commando alias Frank if you
want, but you're only kidding yourself.

It's out there now.


--
Starfighter
This USENET post sent from http://rgparchive.com

[Mark Clayton]

Well, I like Nathan's franks!

-Mark
-----
http://pinballpal.com

[Terrapin Mark]

Amazing how you guys can track down these people. How did you do it?
Did he make an IP address mistake?

Mark Salas

[VDrums2112]

Interested to see how this one plays out


--
VDrums2112

Steve Ridge
Louisville, KY
http://www.youtube.com/vdrums2112
http://www.facebook.com/vdrums2112
http://www.pinballrankings.com/player.php?t=p&player_id=9762

[CEG]

I still say he's also Westcoastss

[Pinball Plus]

people have lots of free time ..

[Beechwood]

Where's the proof?

I say he is actually Robin Williams...


--
Beechwood

Joel
HIOP
"Hey, Its Only Pinball!!"

[BillinIndiana]

Who the hell is Todd Nathan?


--
BillinIndiana

Bill in Indiana

[seeburg220]

On Nov 28, 7:16 pm, BillinIndiana <stansmith201...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Who the hell is Todd Nathan?
>

He's this guy:

http://youtu.be/ahuPW6_t-z0


Oh wait, that was Navin Johnson. My bad.

[chuck]

On Nov 28, 6:22 pm, Starfighter <starfighter...@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gHKNwpny9o =)

[Detroitboy]

It should be interesting to see what those who have dealt with him
have to add to this newsworthy event. Surely some RGP members have
run across him somewhere without running him over.
Geez....it feels like catching Momar Khadaffi all over again! Can we
get this up on MSNBC? Is there an RGP jail? Can we ban him from
using a computer like the feds did with Kevin Mitner?

Maybe now peace will reign again within our little community.

[Pin Del]

Myself, I do not care who Franky is , I can iggiy anyone I want to .

Pin-Del,
cargpb28

[chuck]

Frank is really Herman Cain!

He posts nine times an hour. Uses an average of nine words. And get
about nine responses. Oh! Kim reported that Frank tried to touch him
on his naughty bits when Kim requested a rare plastic Herman was
hoarding. Scratch that, Kim says everyone's tries to touch him...

[mnpinball]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTdDN_MRe64

[chuck]

Nice. I was trying to decide which one to use out of those two. Rush
was more obscure...

[apimo...@yahoo.com]

I still think it's Pinlicious.

[John I]

This is not confirmed until someone here confirms knowing him and that
he is indeed asshole enough to be FF.

John


--
John I

Come to the Florida Arcade and Pinball Expo in February and get out of
the cold!
http://www.floridaape.org/

[vidgameseller]

I think that it must be tru. This post is almost 3 hours old and FF
hasnt posted on it. That has to be a record of him not posting on a
thread that people are inviting his reaction to.

[skippy church]

BillinIndiana;1830399 Wrote:
> Who the hell is Todd Nathan?

An asshole, evidently.


--
skippy church

[Beechwood]

robinva;1830519 Wrote:
>
>
> So who is the piece of shit that posted his real name? WOW... are you
> like some kind of a bullet proof cage fighter? Or just big balls/
> mouth? Where im from, people get checked when they cross the line, you
> must be wearing the immunity badge or something.
>
> Ahhh... is what you want a cookie Columbo? How about you give
> yourself a Dirty Sanchez for your efforts!
>
> That way you can be a POS and smell like one too.
>
> Who gives a shit what Franksters real name is...or "WHO" he really
> "IS"
>
> Frank is far from "goo stuck to the bottom of the RGP sneaker" as you
> put it. Frank is JUST what RGP needs, he is in the right place, at the
> right time. He has this place wrapped around his pinky finger, with
> little to no effort, the existence thread solidifies this fact.
>
> He is 10X more intelligent, entertaining and witty than most of the
> folks that log on here.
>
> Put that in your pipe and smoke it, you half baked queefe.

Holy smokes... Is Frank your girlfriend or something??

Take a breath, it isnt that big of a deal ;)

--
Beechwood

Joel
HIOP
"Hey, Its Only Pinball!!"

[Taylorva]

Probably won't be bumping that post when trying to sell something.


--
Taylorva

[seeburg220]

>
> Holy smokes... Is Frank your girlfriend or something??
>
> Take a breath, it isnt that big of a deal ;)
>
> --
> Beechwood
>

Lmao - I thought the same thing. Whoa Nellie !

[Dan Q very much]

robinva;1830519 Wrote:
>
> He has this place wrapped around his pinky finger, with

> little to no effort, the existence [of this] thread solidifies this
> fact.
>

I would hardly characterize over 3300 posts in five months as "little to
no effort."


--
Dan Q very much

[Keith P. Johnson]

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:50:21 -0500, John I <zeec...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>This is not confirmed until someone here confirms knowing him and that
>he is indeed asshole enough to be FF.

Well, as he has previously mentioned working with Steve Jobs, there
are quite a few '"todd nathan" apple' hits on google, so I'd say it's
more than a little likely that this is the guy. Very few to no hits
on todd nathan pinball, so I still don't get how he popped up out of
nowhere all of a sudden. At least I've never heard of him before.

keith
--
Further fora you can reach me:
twitter: @pinballkeefer
EFNet: #pinball (keefer)
Google+: k33f3r (I'm being much more liberal with this than facebook)

[Dan Q very much]

On Nov 28, 10:29 pm, Keith P. Johnson <pin-wiz...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:50:21 -0500, John I <zeeca...@earthlink.net>

> wrote:
>
> >This is not confirmed until someone here confirms knowing him and that
> >he is indeed asshole enough to be FF.
>
> Well, as he has previously mentioned working with Steve Jobs, there
> are quite a few '"todd nathan" apple' hits on google, so I'd say it's
> more than a little likely that this is the guy.  Very few to no hits
> on todd nathan pinball, so I still don't get how he popped up out of
> nowhere all of a sudden.  At least I've never heard of him before.
>

It all makes sense now. Some have mentioned that his so-called
expertise sounds a lot like info culled from prior posts.

Maybe Apple is beta testing an expert system that feeds on internet
text info, and pinball is a test case?

It would explain the apparent lack of soul, and occasional nonsensical
phrasing.

Passes the Turing test pretty well, though!

[CEllison]

He's not WestCoastSS. That guy was a street walkin gangsta with a
second grade education. Now Frank on the other hand is one bi polar
muh fucker with terrets! He's easily got a 5th grade edjamuhcation.

However I have a hard time believing Steve Jobs would surround himself
with such nonsense.

-=Chris=-

[Pacpin]

FF is out of the closet now....and he's notoriously quiet, which only
confirms his guilt. But i'm sure FF will ride off into the sunset and
he will create another alias and be back again in no time....until he is
discovered again.


--
Pacpin

[KenH]

Wow, I mean, just, Wow. I feel about the same way I felt when the
Berlin wall came down.

[CEG]

look at both of their profiles and you will see where westcoastss ends
frank begins. thats all of the proof I need

[j j]

On Nov 28, 5:22 pm, Starfighter <starfighter...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings RGP brothers.
>
> Many of you have speculated about the identity of the goo stuck to the
> bottom of the RGP sneaker.  Well it turns out that a fella named Todd
> Nathan is our very own Frankster, the playfield prankster.
>
> Now Todd, you can continue with the keyboard commando alias Frank if you
> want, but you're only kidding yourself.
>
> It's out there now.
>
> --
> Starfighter

> This USENET post sent from  http://rgparchive.com

How do we refer to him then? Frank? Todd? Mr. Nathan? Fuhrter? This is
an existential crisis.

[ldnayman]

Allow me to pitch in my own two cents on this raging controversy.

1 cent: Starfighter - if that IS his real name - offers absolutely no
evidence, so why should we take this seriously?

2 cent: Since the name Todd Nathan rings absolutely no bells for
anybody here, does it really matter if in fact that is Frank's real
name? What's the difference?

[chas010]

I suddenly have the urge to start wearing a tin foil hat :(


--
chas010

[seymour.shabow]

CEG wrote:

> On Nov 28, 6:22 pm, Starfighter <starfighter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Greetings RGP brothers.
>>
>> Many of you have speculated about the identity of the goo stuck to the
>> bottom of the RGP sneaker. Well it turns out that a fella named Todd
>> Nathan is our very own Frankster, the playfield prankster.
>>
>> Now Todd, you can continue with the keyboard commando alias Frank if you
>> want, but you're only kidding yourself.
>>
>> It's out there now.
>>
>> --
>> Starfighter

>> This USENET post sent from http://rgparchive.com
>

> I still say he's also Westcoastss

Can't be. Some of the stuff Frank posts actually demonstrates knowledge
which westcoastss never displayed.

[Beechwood]

The Troll - Mr *J **Moreno* of Orange CA - who appears to be interested
in
Aikido and was (perhaps) born August 7, 1987, needs to get a life and
stop wasting our time posting nonsense here.

--
Beechwood

Joel
HIOP
"Hey, Its Only Pinball!!"

[Beechwood]

Gary

--
Beechwood

Joel
HIOP
"Hey, Its Only Pinball!!"

[Beechwood]

It is a narcissistic gold and silver trader.

--
Beechwood

Joel
HIOP
"Hey, Its Only Pinball!!"

[Jonny O]

On Nov 29, 7:16 am, ldnayman <ldnay...@aol.com> wrote:
> Allow me to pitch in my own two cents on this raging controversy.
>

> 2 cent: Since the name Todd Nathan rings absolutely no bells for
> anybody here, does it really matter if in fact that is Frank's real
> name? What's the difference?

If a bear takes a dump in the woods and no one is around, does it make
a plonk sound?

[Martin Crouch]

On 29/11/2011 13:32, Pacpin wrote:
> FF is out of the closet now....and he's notoriously quiet, which only
> confirms his guilt.
>

LTG hasn't posted on this thread either. Hmmm, perhaps it's been him
all along....

[Pinster68]

He knows better.

Anonymous turds with big mouths are cowards. If you have a set, you
own up. Period.

[ldnayman]

Is your real name Pinster68?

[Pinster68]

Yes Levi, it is.

[ldnayman]

> Yes Levi, it is.- Hide quoted text -

That's an unusual name. Almost as weird as Frank Fhurthhuer!

[Pinster68]

Parents opted not to call me Flower, Moonbeam ... or Levi. ;-)

[freeman]

On Nov 28, 6:22 pm, Starfighter <starfighter...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings RGP brothers.
>
> Many of you have speculated about the identity of the goo stuck to the
> bottom of the RGP sneaker.  Well it turns out that a fella named Todd
> Nathan is our very own Frankster, the playfield prankster.
>
> Now Todd, you can continue with the keyboard commando alias Frank if you
> want, but you're only kidding yourself.
>
> It's out there now.
>
> --
> Starfighter

> This USENET post sent from  http://rgparchive.com

and there he was .... Gone!

[Todd Newman]

Just curious, is Frank also Haiku Automation?

[Detroitboy]

He is like an onion....you have to peel him one layer at a time.
Obviously Todd Nathan is also an alias if nobody on RGP has recognized
the name yet. Right now he is in his lair plotting his next move
against the RGP Nation. IP addresses will be changed.....previous
posts will be analyzed.....and codecs of words and phrases will be
changed. All similarities between previous West Coast SS posts will
be eliminated. Domains will change, different public libraries will
be used, and multiple personalities will bloom in an attempt to hide
the true identity of this piece of troll shit. He envisions himself
as the unibomber with a keyboard.

[NM]

newmantjn;1831116 Wrote:
>
>
> Just curious, is Frank also Haiku Automation?

This would be (somewhat) interesting to know; as (if I'm not mistaken)
FF seemed to imply he ran a pin repair business--or was perhaps an
Operator.

If so, most likely not domiciled in my home state of Texas, though--as
he seems to have some kind of illogical preoccupation towards
disparaging The Lone Star State.


--
NM

Current: AFM, CFTBL, FGY, MB, NGG, SS, STTNG, TAF, ToM, TSPP, TZ, WH2O,
'54 Gottlieb Stage Coach.

[Lloyd Olson]

Col. Hans Landa would say "That's a bingo".

LTG :)

[Robinva]

> >> Just curious, is Frank also Haiku Automation?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Agreed!

[Beechwood]

Funny how FF went MIA all of a sudden...

Cowards love to hide on the internet, I guess.

BTW, my real name is Joel.

--
Beechwood

Joel
HIOP
"Hey, Its Only Pinball!!"

[Keith P. Johnson]

Ah but we know a lot more about him now that we have a name, such as
email addresses

big_bo...@yahoo.com
big_boy...@yahoo.com
super_dooper_...@yahoo.com

He has a server at http://sdo.dyndns.org

Really into Apple, forth, BeOS...

He did mention pinball like once on usenet in a motorcycle group or
something. Something about counterfeiting quarters too I think.

keith
--
Further fora you can reach me:
twitter: @pinballkeefer
EFNet: #pinball (keefer)
Google+: k33f3r (I'm being much more liberal with this than facebook)

[Keith P. Johnson]

On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 17:13:41 -0800 (PST), Todd Newman
<packe...@comcast.net> wrote:

>Just curious, is Frank also Haiku Automation?

This is an interesting catch, and it would seem to be accurate to me.
Haiku talked about going to Italy for the summer, and his server at
sdo.dyndns.org resolves to an IP address in Italy right now.

[twilightzonepinball]

On Nov 28, 8:34 pm, Detroitboy <basda...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> It should be interesting to see what those who have dealt with him
> have to add to this newsworthy event.  Surely some RGP members have
> run across him somewhere without running him over.
> Geez....it feels like catching Momar Khadaffi all over again!  Can we
> get this up on MSNBC?  Is there an RGP jail?  Can we ban him from
> using a computer like the feds did with Kevin Mitner?
>
> Maybe now peace will reign again within our little community.

Sounds like you might want to review what our nation stands for.

-Tom

http://home.myfairpoint.net/vze8f4tt/tomstwilightzonepinballmachineaccessories/index.html

[freeman]

On Nov 30, 3:26 am, Keith P. Johnson <pin-wiz...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 17:52:18 -0800 (PST), Detroitboy
>

> <basda...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >He is like an onion....you have to peel him one layer at a time.
> >Obviously Todd Nathan is also an alias if nobody on RGP has recognized
> >the name yet.  Right now he is in his lair plotting his next move
> >against the RGP Nation.   IP addresses will be changed.....previous
> >posts will be analyzed.....and codecs of words and phrases will be
> >changed.  All similarities between previous West Coast SS posts will
> >be eliminated.  Domains will change, different public libraries will
> >be used, and multiple personalities will bloom in an attempt to hide
> >the true identity of this piece of troll shit.  He envisions himself
> >as the unibomber with a keyboard.
>
> Ah but we know a lot more about him now that we have a name, such as
> email addresses
>

> big_boy_to...@yahoo.com
> big_boy_tod...@yahoo.com
> super_dooper_dave_osbou...@yahoo.com
>
> He has a server athttp://sdo.dyndns.org

>
> Really into Apple, forth, BeOS...
>
> He did mention pinball like once on usenet in a motorcycle group or
> something.  Something about counterfeiting quarters too I think.
>
> keith
> --
> Further fora you can reach me:
> twitter:  @pinballkeefer
> EFNet:  #pinball (keefer)
> Google+:  k33f3r (I'm being much more liberal with this than facebook)

Frank seemed to go MIA just before the PPE.
Anyone from that activity show know Nathan?

[cppinball]

So who is the piece of shit that posted his real name? WOW... are you
like some kind of a bullet proof cage fighter? Or just big balls/
mouth? Where im from, people get checked when they cross the line, you
must be wearing the immunity badge or something.


You know I can handle being called a MF, a piece of shit, whatever by
anyone, however to have it done by someone with a "secret name tag"
really sucks. Hey I get alot of shit from fellow RGP guys, that I can
handle, but being blasted by some coward sucks. This is a pinball forum,
a place to have fun and talk about pinball, this is not a place to post
1030 times in 4 months and run your mouth all over the place, Thanks
Mike M " STARFIGHTER" for doing what needed to be done.

Thanks Chuck Sanderson


--
cppinball

[Beechwood]

I think that you wanted that first paragraph in quotes from another
response. I could be wrong...

It is quite confusing otherwise.

But I agree, if you hide behind a fake persona, you are game to take the
flak. Real men don't hide behind anonymity.

--
Beechwood

Joel
HIOP
"Hey, Its Only Pinball!!"

[Goonie]

I'm in-between popcorn runs and thought I would just say one thing.

If indeed Todd Nathan is his real name...the man's got two first names.
We should have known.....

My appologies to anyone who has two first names but acts like they have
one. :). You are of course excepted from this derogatory statement.


--
Goonie

[seeburg220]

Ron Paul

mmmm.....Mary Ann

Bruce Wayne

[Robinva]

Hi, My Name is Robert Ventura and I am an online asshole.

Chuck, I understand what you’re saying, but in reality it means very
little to know FF’s real name, really what can you/we do with it?
Address Frank as Todd from now on? Don’t deal with Todd because he is
an online bully/jerk/smartass? Track him down and beat the piss out of
him (some may think that would be fun… but who would really act on it
around here…besides me :} *kidding*)? What real harm has Frank caused
other then getting under everyone’s skin? Knowing his name
accomplishes little and I dount its enough to keep him gone long, if
that even has anything to do with his absence in the first place.

Frank has shown his strong belief in equal opportunity discrimination,
for that, I consider him to be quite liberally fascist.

[Robinva]

On Dec 1, 7:13 pm, Goonie <akpinb...@gmail.com> wrote:

LMFAO

[Beechwood]

robinva;1832559 Wrote:

> On Dec 1, 7:13*pm, Goonie <akpinb... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> > I'm in-between popcorn runs and thought I would just say one thing.
> >
> > If indeed Todd Nathan is his real name...the man's got two first
> names.
> > We should have known.....
> >
> > My appologies to anyone who has two first names but acts like they
> have

> > one. *:). You are of course excepted from this derogatory statement.
> >
> > --
> > Goonie
> > This USENET post sent from *http://rgparchive.com
>
> LMFAO

The answer is we all love drama and reality TV, but when it intrudes on
our comfy place, we get pissed.

Its so easy to ignore people like Frank, and yet so hard.

Peace my brothers.

--
Beechwood

Joel
HIOP
"Hey, Its Only Pinball!!"

[jpola]

On Nov 29, 8:54 pm, Beechwood <jzylstra1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Funny how FF went MIA all of a sudden...
>
> Cowards love to hide on the internet, I guess.
>
> BTW, my real name is Joel.

I don't give a shit what your name is, or any of you lot.

I really don't see why being "anonymous" is such a crime. Fact is
about 95% of the people here don't use their real names when posting
so what's the big deal?

[ldnayman]

I agree with this post, and not just the part about Robin being an
asshole.

As I've said before:

1 - there is no evidence we actually no FF's name
2- it doesn't matter. The name Todd Nathan isn't familiar to anybody
here, so what exactly does that do for us?

and I'll add a new one

3- As so many of you like to say, thinking you just came up with
something really funny that nobody else on the internet has figured
out: "Lighten up, Francis."

[games-r-fun]

> out: "Lighten up, Francis."- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Wow a Stripes quote.... Now thats funny! LOL


It's funny that FF is the lastest whipping boy, before him WestCoast
and before him the Aussie dude who could not spell MM let alone make
one.... There will always be one I guess...

Stay tune for another episode of " The Lives and Times of RPG"

Sponsored by:
Stern
Jersey Jack
Gottlieb
Williams
Chicago Coin
Bally

Not hiding my real name....
Mike

[Robinva]

Nah fool...this is RGP... from now its real names... NO GIMMICKS

[Mr. 68]

I think you meant “Lighten up Franky”

Kim - CARGPB #36
http://www.WrongCrowdProductions.com/


--
Mr. 68

[ldnayman]

On Dec 1, 7:15 pm, Mr. 68 <m...@q.com> wrote:
> I think you meant Lighten up Franky
>

LOL

[seeburg220]

>
> I really don't see why being "anonymous" is such a crime. Fact is
> about 95% of the people here don't use their real names when posting
> so what's the big deal?

For the record........

"I'm Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute."

[ldnayman]

I know that's SNL, but honestly, before my time. What was the general
setup for that line?

[Tracelifter]

ldnayman;1832589 Wrote:

> On Dec 1, 7:01*pm, seeburg220 <seeburg... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> > > I really don't see why being "anonymous" is such a crime. Fact is
> > > about 95% of the people here don't use their real names when
> posting
> > > so what's the big deal?
> >
> > For the record........
> >

> > "I'm Fred Garvin, *Male Prostitute."

>
> I know that's SNL, but honestly, before my time. What was the general
> setup for that line?

http://www.hark.com/clips/xjdjxrrwxb-fred-garvin-male-prostitute

Fred (Dan A.)
I have a work order here, I am to Roger you roundly.


Pimp (Garrett M.)
I have 3 ladies and Fred, Fred's my bread and butter man.

Eric


--
Tracelifter

[Taylorva]

Really fascinating stuff.

I found FF to be quite annoying as he just cluttered up GG.

I would like to know if it was some sort of script test and the point
behind it. If Todd Nathan is the person behind FF I would be interested
in hearing from him for an explanation.


--
Taylorva

[Terrapin Mark]

On Dec 1, 9:57 pm, ldnayman <ldnay...@aol.com> wrote:

> 1 - there is no evidence we actually no FF's name

True, but for someone who posted hundreds of posts (most of them
stupid) in a 3 month period to suddenly stop posting after this TN aka
FF post has to make you wonder if something hit home. i.e. his
identity!

Mark Salas

[BUY...@aol.com]

On Nov 30, 3:26 am, Keith P. Johnson <pin-wiz...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 17:52:18 -0800 (PST), Detroitboy
>

> <basda...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >He is like an onion....you have to peel him one layer at a time.
> >Obviously Todd Nathan is also an alias if nobody on RGP has recognized
> >the name yet.  Right now he is in his lair plotting his next move
> >against the RGP Nation.   IP addresses will be changed.....previous
> >posts will be analyzed.....and codecs of words and phrases will be
> >changed.  All similarities between previous West Coast SS posts will
> >be eliminated.  Domains will change, different public libraries will
> >be used, and multiple personalities will bloom in an attempt to hide
> >the true identity of this piece of troll shit.  He envisions himself
> >as the unibomber with a keyboard.
>
> Ah but we know a lot more about him now that we have a name, such as
> email addresses
>

> big_boy_to...@yahoo.com
> big_boy_tod...@yahoo.com
> super_dooper_dave_osbou...@yahoo.com
>
> He has a server athttp://sdo.dyndns.org

>
> Really into Apple, forth, BeOS...
>
> He did mention pinball like once on usenet in a motorcycle group or
> something.  Something about counterfeiting quarters too I think.
>
> keith
> --
> Further fora you can reach me:
> twitter:  @pinballkeefer
> EFNet:  #pinball (keefer)
> Google+:  k33f3r (I'm being much more liberal with this than facebook)

who really gives a fuck who he really is , keith you need to find
yourself a girl or boy friend, so you have something better to do with
your time

[BUY...@aol.com]

> your time- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

sorry posted wrong name sorry keith i met to post to the asshole
the started this thead not you

[Hardware]

On Nov 29, 9:48 am, CEG <corv...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Nov 29, 12:55 am, CEllison <clell...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > He's not WestCoastSS. That guy was a street walkin gangsta with a
> > second grade education. Now Frank on the other hand is one bi polar
> > muh fucker with terrets! He's easily got a 5th grade edjamuhcation.
>
> > However I have a hard time believing Steve Jobs would surround himself
> > with such nonsense.
>
> > -=Chris=-
>
> look at both of their profiles and you will see where westcoastss ends
> frank begins. thats all of the proof I need

I honestly thought it was SS doing the FF posts, but I'd be amazed if
it was the same person. FF actually seemed to have Passed 2nd grade.

-Brian

[Beechwood]

Whoever he is, I pity the person in the pit under his house. He is
probably pissed for being outed.

"It rubs the lotion on its skin, or it gets the hose again..."

--
Beechwood

Joel
HIOP
"Hey, Its Only Pinball!!"

[Pacpin]

Rompen;1832821 Wrote:

> On Dec 1, 8:43*pm, jpola <jpno... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> > I really don't see why being "anonymous" is such a crime. Fact is
> > about 95% of the people here don't use their real names when posting
> > so what's the big deal?
>

> One reason why RGP is avoided by a sizeable portion of the pinball
> community is because of this situation. There are a number of
> "bullies" in this forum, that when confronted with someone's opinion
> they don't like, they go out of their way to "out" them and make
> personal attacks.
>
> The only reason they get away with it is because there is no
> moderation on RGP. If they published personal information on someone
> without their permission in any other forum, they'd be banned
> (actually they could possibly also be sued and have their ISP
> terminate their service). It is for this reason that sites like
> Pinside.com and arcade-museum.com are becoming more healthy online
> communities.

At the same time, FF trolled many posts and since there are no mods
here, like you stated, the community had to do some moderation of their
own. I agree, if this forum had a moderator, this would never have
happend because FF would've been banned a long time ago. Don't play
with fire if you don't want to get burned. FF insulted many people on
here and made lots of enemies and thought he was untouchable. He was
wrong. One of his enemies outed him as a way to get even with him. If
he wouldn't have been such a jerk, this wouldn't have happened. It's
not like people are on here posting everyone's real name and such. But
the lack of moderation forced the community to do something to get FF
out of here. I still think this is a good site and we let the community
as a whole handle it's problems. Wish society was like that. We'd get
rid of all the criminals and child molestors and such with our own brand
of justice, instead of a little slap on the wrist from the government.


--
Pacpin

[Beechwood]

FF obviously had some knowledge of the hobby. He could have chose to
add to the discussion instead of trying to ruffle feathers at every
turn. He still could, make an account with his real name and contribute
instead of flaming on everything. If you want to remain anonymous,
don't post on the internet.

If you are ever in the Denver area, look him up, maybe he will take you
to the local pinball venues. He knows them well.

--
Beechwood

Joel
HIOP
"Hey, Its Only Pinball!!"

[richiep]

Like all of you, I've been following this thread all week, and I can't
believe how far this is gone. I promised myself I wouldn't participate
in this madness, but I had to put my two cents in......

1) So FF wanted to remain anonymous, for whatever reason (no crime in
that) Many of us are essentially anonymous, even though we may use our
real names on the site. The fact that he's not chimed in during this
entire just reinforces the fact that he doesn't want to be "known".

2) Someone on RGP has supposedly outed' him, again no big friggin deal.
If FF really wants to continue to post here on RGP, he'll just assume
another alter ego.

3) For those of us who have been offended by his past (and presumably
future) rants and rudeness, just ignore the fucker or just give it right
back to him....what's he gonna do...come to your house and kick your
ass....not bloody likely.

Anyway LET"S GET BACK TO PINBALL, that's what this site is for; not for
this petty, soap opera bullshit.


--
richiep

[Keith P. Johnson]

On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:57:11 -0800 (PST), ldnayman <ldna...@aol.com>
wrote:

>As I've said before:
>
>1 - there is no evidence we actually no FF's name

I have no idea how the OP got his name. That being said, however, at
this point I guarantee you that Frank, Haiku Automation, and Todd
Nathan are the same person. In addition to e-evidence, too much of
what he's posted in the past lines up with Mr. Nathan's other
activities. There was never enough to go on before (and believe me I
made a few attempts), but I can definitely connect the dots when
there's enough of them.

>2- it doesn't matter. The name Todd Nathan isn't familiar to anybody
>here, so what exactly does that do for us?

That's a fair question. For me personally, as someone who is helping
start up a company, I take pretty serious offense to ridiculous claims
about that company and my coworkers. Therefore, I'm always looking
for context. Now that my context is "some random dude no one knows,"
I guess I can say I'm glad his opinions should basically hold no
weight at this point because he has nfi what he's talking about. The
problem is, however, to a lot of casual and no-so-casual observers,
the more he talked and seemed like he knew what he was talking about,
the more weight his voice would have. Now that everyone should be
convinced he's some nobody (as opposed to any of a number of previous
rgp "personalities" that have been thrown out there), his weight and
credibility drop to nothing.

I've always had a problem with trolls in general, in particular ones
that affect my livelihood. But, as I've said many times, I've been a
part of rgp for a long time and have always enjoyed it for the
generally civil nature of discussion. When something I enjoy starts
to get affected by trolls, I do my best to get it back to the place we
all enjoy, call it a giving back to the community if you will. Trolls
thrive on anonymity; the fact that FF hasn't posted since this thread
started should be all the proof one needs of that. My guess is that
they actually have a desire/passion for the thing they're trolling,
but for some reason trolling makes them feel superior. (Not a
psychologist, etc. etc.) So, they troll anonymously so that they may
continue to reap (rape?) the benefits of the community but still get
their kicks. Reveal who they are, and you get back at them by making
people a lot less likely to help them out, deal with them in the
future, etc.

Now, the one thing I can absolutely NOT understand at all is the
rather passionate upsetness of a few people that are annoyed he's been
outed. I guess that means either they agree with him and are upset
that voice is now gone because they won't say it themselves, or are
friends with him, or are just wannabe trolls themselves? I dunno.
Like I said, I don't get it.

[Pin Del]

On Dec 2, 1:13 pm, Keith P. Johnson <pin-wiz...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:57:11 -0800 (PST), ldnayman <ldnay...@aol.com>

I called Franky out on being Haiku Automation a month or 2 ago & just
like now he is MIA,
Like I said before, I can ignore just about any one I want to & Franky
is no different .

Pin-Del,
cargpb28

[Pacpin]

Rompen;1832957 Wrote:
> Personally, I think FF probably disagreed with everybody here at one
> point or another. The difference is, some of us weren't so personally
> intimidated by a contrary point of view, that we made it our mission
> to personally ID the guy and attack him. So what if he says something
> disparaging about your favorite football team, home town or pinball
> game? We're all supposed to be big boys here, and not get "offended"
> because someone disagrees with us. What is this? First Grade?

Its one thing to disagree with someone, but it's another thing to
purposely get in every thread and insult people just for the hell of it.
He never really bothered me, so i have no dog in this race, but he got
involved in quite a few threads i've noticed with the intention of
nothing more than stirring things up and purposely getting people mad.
He did contribute some worthwhile point occasionally though, i'll give
him that.

[ldnayman]

On Dec 2, 1:13 pm, Keith P. Johnson <pin-wiz...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:57:11 -0800 (PST), ldnayman <ldnay...@aol.com>

I'm not for hurting anybody's livelyhood, but you are dipping your
toes into the drama queen pool if you really think that Frank's posts
were endangering your ability to put food on the table.

[chuck]

On Dec 2, 1:13 pm, Keith P. Johnson <pin-wiz...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Now, the one thing I can absolutely NOT understand at all is the
> rather passionate upsetness of a few people that are annoyed he's been
> outed.  I guess that means either they agree with him and are upset
> that voice is now gone because they won't say it themselves, or are
> friends with him, or are just wannabe trolls themselves?  I dunno.
> Like I said, I don't get it.

I do understand this. You can report that John Doe screwed you on a
deal and the peasants grab pitchforks and attack. If one of the "good
guys" does screws someone on a deal the person who reports it is
attacked relentlessly. That’s part of the hypocrisy of RGP. So,
someone who comes along and is willing to call out a "good guy" for
being bad does make some people happy. The only problem is Frank
called out some truly good guys without merit so he's back to being
worthless ;-)

[KAPSIG1]

If he posted under Todd Nathan or your cool given non anonymous name
starfighter would it make a difference???????
I don't get the outings cause and effect.
What did you win? a virtual cookie?
Use RGP archive block who you want and be done with it.
If you dont feed the trolls the die off
This forum cant help themselves when it comes to feeding the trolls
After all its a public forum so that's who you get the general public


--
KAPSIG1

[Joe Grenuk]

Lots of us use our real names on here, and lots of us don't. I have no
problem with nicknames or handles, although it would be a lot easier
for me to remember WTF is who around here if everyone used their real
names.

But, when a guy chooses to remain anonymous so he can say stupid,
offensive, ignorant, intentionally incendiary, hurtful shit, that's
another story. Nobody paints their name and address on the back of
their ski mask when they go rob a bank, and when someone saves a
family from a burning car, they don't tell the reporter that their
name is FlipperDipper.

[ldnayman]

On Dec 2, 3:52 pm, Joe Grenuk <jgre...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> But, when a guy chooses to remain anonymous so he can say stupid,
> offensive, ignorant, intentionally incendiary, hurtful shit, that's
> another story.

Come on Joe, you are tough old bird. Were Frank's posts really hurting
your sense of well-being?

I'm just not impressed with this "outing." It would be one thing if we
actually knew the supposed brains behind this organization, but who
the fuck is Todd Nathan? There's no joy in that.

I was hoping it would turn out to be Lloyd!

[phishrace]

On Dec 2, 12:15 pm, Rompen <rompe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Personally, I think FF probably disagreed with everybody here at one
> point or another.  The difference is, some of us weren't so personally
> intimidated by a contrary point of view, that we made it our mission
> to personally ID the guy and attack him.  So what if he says something
> disparaging about your favorite football team, home town or pinball
> game?  We're all supposed to be big boys here, and not get "offended"
> because someone disagrees with us.  What is this?  First Grade?

I think you're missing a few things. It's perfectly acceptable to have
a goofy handle and contrary opinion here. You've just proven that
point perfectly. What isn't acceptable is to use different handles and
not tell people that you've changed, which the sock did. What's also
not acceptable is the sheer number of messages he was posting. No one
here can pull off that many posts without annoying some people. Not
even Lloyd. He also acted like some kind of professional. He never
hesitated to blast people. That's fine, but you have to back it up
with your credentials, which he never did. Did he ever even say what
games he owned?

It's one thing to try to remain relatively anonymous (which I
pointlessly try to do). It's a whole nother deal though when you start
switching and disguising your ID. That was his biggest sin IMO.
Deception ain't cool. Not on the internet, not anywhere. Please don't
feed the socks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_%28Internet%29

-phish

[Gregg]

In article
<59582f95-1544-42de...@p16g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
Rompen <romp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Society was like RGP. Look back to the 1600s when people ran around
> with pitchforks and torches and burned people at the stake they didn't
> like.

She turned me into a newt!

..............I got better.

--
Gregg in Baltimore

[Beechwood]

But publicly published facts are easily found on the internet.

For instance, FF had intimate knowledge of where to play pins in the
Denver area. Google his name and Denver, and you can see His name, his
address, his age, his wife's name, his profile on Linkdin, that he
posted publicly, tells where he works, his position too. Previous
addresses show a connection to Texas, maybe explaining his hatred of the
state. Even his son's legal troubles are easily had on a public website
and are out there for all to see.

It is possible the internet is the anti-Christ.

--
Beechwood

Joel
HIOP
"Hey, Its Only Pinball!!"

[Beechwood]

Rompen;1833070 Wrote:
>
>
> I'm just sayin'... if you put that kind of stuff out there, you expose
> yourself to potential liability. It seems like a stupid thing to do
> just because some "anonymous guy" said something that you found
> annoying. If anything happens to him, the authorities are going to
> come looking at whoever has a motive, and publishing personal
> information indicates a mean-spirited motive.

True, I get that point. However, it would take thousands of agents to
investigate everyone FF degraded who may have motive at this juncture ;)