The old Google Groups will be going away soon. Switch to the new Google Groups.

[Dan Q very much]

Just noticed the new blue banner at the top of the page saying that.

Gulp.


I went back to the old GG quite a while ago because replies using new
GG were breaking threads elsewhere on Usenet. Does anyone know if
that's been fixed, at least?

(Of course, if EVERYONE used new GG, it wouldn't be an issue... :) I
know, not happening, NFS.)

And when might this "soon" be? Don't check the Google Groups
Announcement group, that hasn't had an update since last July...)

[Dan Q very much]

Also, FYI, if you want to keep old GG as long as possible, don't click the link! I can't find a way to change back now, the bastards!

Guess I'll see if this reply breaks anything now, at least...

[axa...@yahoo.com]

Gah.... too late, I already clicked the banner. Holy ugliness! I can barely read the thread titles now.

[Kerry Imming]

<axa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8054336.1054.1330483228577.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbcr5...

>
> Gah.... too late, I already clicked the banner. Holy ugliness! I can
> barely read the thread titles now.

It may be web browser dependent, but this link takes me to the OLD Google
Groups:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.pinball/topics?hl=en

And this one takes me to the NEW:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/rec.games.pinball


- Kerry

[axa...@yahoo.com]

> >
> > Gah.... too late, I already clicked the banner. Holy ugliness! I can
> > barely read the thread titles now.
>
> It may be web browser dependent, but this link takes me to the OLD Google
> Groups:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.pinball/topics?hl=en
>
> And this one takes me to the NEW:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/rec.games.pinball
>
>
> - Kerry

Both thinks take me to new, hehe. Whatev. Thanks though!

[Frank Furhter]

The forward reference is dependent on the cookie they shoved down your
throat as a result of not offering you much choice during upgrade offer
and also no backward obvious option.

What I'd say, and most would say is just say *NO* to Google Groups, its
garbage. Yet you know that, and are now going to put up with the 'new'
version until you say uncle to yourself and become self.droid(2).

[Captain Neo]

It just feels like shit right now, because we are not used to it. Once we get used to it, it won't be so bad. What I don't like, is that the screen will cut away in the middle of the sentance while i'm typing, and I have to find what I was saying. Like now, I had to do this 3 times to complete.

[Dan Q very much]

Okay, I found a way out, if you click on the unobvious red "Groups"
link button to the left of New Topic, then click the blue "Switch to
the New Groups" button on the right, you get a "Click Here to switch
back" option on the next page.

And, how about that, the "Tell us why you're leaving" button now
works, so let 'em have it! :)

Looks like the thread breaking bug posting replies from new GG is
fixed, at least. (Unless rgparchive fixed the break already, maybe
they automated that? I don't have an old fashioned newsreader account
to check Usenet proper...)

[kse]

I was able to go into my Google account settings and in the section
where it lists the services you're subscribed to I clicked Groups and
there was an option right in there to switch back to the old version.

Kyle

[Pinball Life]

Move to rgparchive.com and all your problems will go away. I made the
switch about 8 months ago and it's been bliss ever since.
Terry.


--
Pinball Life
This USENET post sent from http://rgparchive.com

[TheKorn]

Dan Q very much <dqu...@new.rr.com> wrote in
news:32909853.4879.1330481616759.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbvr2:

> Also, FYI, if you want to keep old GG as long as possible, don't click
> the link! I can't find a way to change back now, the bastards!
>
> Guess I'll see if this reply breaks anything now, at least...

Threading just fine, and also on rgparchive.

--
Have a home video that's trapped on your camera? Want to share it on the web or on
DVD?

http://www.webwidevideo.com/

[Vic Titious]

Frank Furhter wrote:

> The forward reference is dependent on the cookie they shoved down your
> throat as a result of not offering you much choice during upgrade offer
> and also no backward obvious option.
>
> What I'd say, and most would say is just say *NO* to Google Groups, its
> garbage. Yet you know that, and are now going to put up with the 'new'
> version until you say uncle to yourself and become self.droid(2).

Did it ever dawn on anyone to download a real newsreader (free!) and save
themselves a lot of hassle while simultaneously preventing Google's personal
tracking antics?
Remember, rgp is not a "google group", but Google hosting the NNTP posts on
their servers and calling it that. These posts are not designed for browsers
and browsers are the slowest and clumsiest way to access them.

www.newsreaders.com

[Kerry Imming]

<axa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:11159314.1097.1330484453237.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbcr5...

>
> Both thinks take me to new, hehe. Whatev. Thanks though!

Interesting. I've switched back and forth a few times. I find the lack of
contrast on the new version difficult to read.


- Kerry

[Frank Furhter]

Captain Neo wrote:
> It just feels like shit right now, because we are not used to it. Once we get used to it, it won't be so bad. What I don't like, is that the screen will cut away in the middle of the sentance while i'm typing, and I have to find what I was saying. Like now, I had to do this 3 times to complete.

Basically when you have Schmidt's legacy dick up your ass you will
finally relax and 'enjoy' it...? Weird thing to accept.

[Frank Furhter]

Do a HOWTO for the idiots please.

[Frank Furhter]

Thank you VIC for doing what I have been doing for the past 8 months,
Kornholio prior and others too. USENET is a open to the public (if you
subscribe, or run a server in the system, as well as run CNEWS privately
if you want as well on your own servers) for anyone to be part of,
client or service.

But the average asshole idiot here doesn't want to know or think about
the option and just be spoonfed shit from the Googleplex that sells
personal information to the CIA/NSA (they admit it) as well as what they
do with it to the highest bidder abroad.

[Frank Furhter]

Pinball Life wrote:
> Move to rgparchive.com and all your problems will go away. I made the
> switch about 8 months ago and it's been bliss ever since.
> Terry.

No Terry, move to a real news server that is free
(eternal-september.org) and a real threaded news reader that is free
(SeaMonkey for example, with integrated and nicely done mega-account
handling) without some (small or large) pack of wannabe jackwads in the
middle and you are in bliss. Its free, no ads, no tracking (can be
quite anonymously if you like for free, or with a payment if you are dog
ass lazy) of any kind with heavy encryption.

The problem Terry is that folks like you, and most in the world are lazy
willing to give up behavior tracking and usage knowledge sold for profit
in the notion you are having some 'bliss.' Your ignorant statement
about 'bliss' is short sided, and counter to what is normally a
concerned view on society and how tech may be used against someone.

Have you got fat and lazy since our last visit? :)

[Captain Neo]

I imagine if you relax, you probably wouldn't even know it's in there after a couple of hours. :P

[Edward Cheung]

That was helpful Dan. Thank you.

Edward_Cheung CARGPB26

[cody chunn]

It *might* have been mentioned once or twice.

:0)

-cody


"Vic Titious" wrote in message
news:-eWdnQPC_KtEO9DS...@supernews.com...

Frank Furhter wrote:

> trollspeak

[John I]

Some us read and post with phones/tablets, from behind firewalls, using
multiple computers, work computers with no admin rights, etc, etc. In
other words we leave the protection of our mother's basement once in a
while. Newsreaders SUCK for people on the go. Not to mention that I
read many other forums and don't want a whole separate program to use
just for RGP.

Google ruined their groups a while back by allowing people to claim
other posts as spam and get them deleted. The interface on the new
Google groups is simply terrible. RGP archive and the Tapatalk App for
phone/tablets is the way to go now. Google is still useful for
searching, but not much more.

(I have been using Newsreaders since the very early 90's, so don't even
go there...).

John

cody chunn;1895461 Wrote:
> It *might* have been mentioned once or twice.
>
> :0)
>
> -cody
>
>
> "Vic Titious" wrote in message

> news:-eWdnQPC_KtEO9DSnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d (AT) supernews (DOT) com...

>
> Frank Furhter wrote:
>
> > trollspeak
>
> Did it ever dawn on anyone to download a real newsreader (free!) and
> save
> themselves a lot of hassle while simultaneously preventing Google's
> personal
> tracking antics?
> Remember, rgp is not a "google group", but Google hosting the NNTP posts
> on
> their servers and calling it that. These posts are not designed for
> browsers
> and browsers are the slowest and clumsiest way to access them.
>
> www.newsreaders.com

--
John I

[seymour.shabow]

John I wrote:
> Some us read and post with phones/tablets, from behind firewalls, using
> multiple computers, work computers with no admin rights, etc, etc. In
> other words we leave the protection of our mother's basement once in a
> while. Newsreaders SUCK for people on the go. Not to mention that I
> read many other forums and don't want a whole separate program to use
> just for RGP.
>
> Google ruined their groups a while back by allowing people to claim
> other posts as spam and get them deleted. The interface on the new
> Google groups is simply terrible. RGP archive and the Tapatalk App for
> phone/tablets is the way to go now. Google is still useful for
> searching, but not much more.
>
> (I have been using Newsreaders since the very early 90's, so don't even
> go there...).

What's really needed is a customizable web interface that you can run
your regular old newsfeed on your home machine, and use a web interface
linked in to it that you can customize to your liking. That would be my
preference for on-the-go access.

RGP archive is nice until someone posts a link to the RGP archive link
instead of the google link - for some reason they want you to be
registered and logged in to view the contents of the link.

[skbrothers]

> The problem Terry is that folks like you, and most in the world are lazy
> willing to give up behavior tracking and usage knowledge sold for profit
> in the notion you are having some 'bliss.'  Your ignorant statement
> about 'bliss' is short sided, and counter to what is normally a
> concerned view on society and how tech may be used against someone.
>
> Have you got fat and lazy since our last visit?  :)

"Help us Obi-Frank-Kenobi, you're our only hope!"

[AVP Pinball Division]

"Vic Titious" <ho...@moesbar.org> wrote in message
news:-eWdnQPC_KtEO9DS...@supernews.com...
>

> Did it ever dawn on anyone to download a real newsreader (free!) and save
> themselves a lot of hassle while simultaneously preventing Google's
> personal
> tracking antics?
> Remember, rgp is not a "google group", but Google hosting the NNTP posts
> on
> their servers and calling it that. These posts are not designed for
> browsers
> and browsers are the slowest and clumsiest way to access them.
>
> www.newsreaders.com

It's all in the Pinwiki yet some choose to view the world through a
jail-cell window rather than go outdoors and see everything... :(

--
Pistol Pete

[AVP Pinball Division]

"Captain Neo" <nwo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:18055073.161.1330486200827.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbcqm4...

Ahh... Like the heat-activated-conforming-foam pillows "As Seen On TV"...
:)

--
Pistol Pete

[Frank Furhter]

The real issue here is to stop using browsers as you OS and application
to interface to everything. Apps in browsers was and is a bad idea,
always has been and always will be. Stand alones, and operating systems
that allow stand alone apps should not be lost or forgotten. The powers
that be want you all to get your information cum shots via their
browser. Its an old thread, and the world seems to have said uncle on
the idea. Talk to someone about it, how many even know about stand
alone apps?

[Michael Ejercito]

On Feb 28, 6:10 pm, Dan Q very much <dque...@new.rr.com> wrote:
> Just noticed the new blue banner at the top of the page saying that.
>
> Gulp.
>
> I went back to the old GG quite a while ago because replies using new
> GG were breaking threads elsewhere on Usenet. Does anyone know if
> that's been fixed, at least?
>
> (Of course, if EVERYONE used new GG, it wouldn't be an issue... :)  I
> know, not happening, NFS.)
>
> And when might this "soon" be? Don't check the Google Groups
> Announcement group, that hasn't had an update since last July...)

The reason new GG breaks threads is because many threads are cross-
posted, and new GG for some reason does not support cross-posting.

Furthermore, Google Groups Help is disabled, so I can not even
contact them about this issue.

What the fuck is going on there?


Michael

[Michael Ejercito]

On Feb 28, 8:51 pm, Frank Furhter <fr...@furhter.com> wrote:
> Vic Titious wrote:
> > Frank Furhter wrote:
>
> >> The forward reference is dependent on the cookie they shoved down your
> >> throat as a result of not offering you much choice during upgrade offer
> >> and also no backward obvious option.
>
> >> What I'd say, and most would say is just say *NO* to Google Groups, its
> >> garbage.  Yet you know that, and are now going to put up with the 'new'
> >> version until you say uncle to yourself and become self.droid(2).
>
> > Did it ever dawn on anyone to download a real newsreader (free!) and save
> > themselves a lot of hassle while simultaneously preventing Google's personal
> > tracking antics?
> > Remember, rgp is not a "google group", but Google hosting the NNTP posts on
> > their servers and calling it that. These posts are not designed for browsers
> > and browsers are the slowest and clumsiest way to access them.
>
> >www.newsreaders.com
>
> Thank you VIC for doing what I have been doing for the past 8 months,
> Kornholio prior and others too.  USENET is a open to the public (if you
> subscribe, or run a server in the system, as well as run CNEWS privately
> if you want as well on your own servers) for anyone to be part of,
> client or service.

Not all ISP's offer newsgroup service, though.

Michael

[Frank Furhter]

You can get free newsgroup services for most groups for reading and
posting text only from eternal-september. Your ISP has nothing to do
with it, even if they actively try and block USENET (some do, weird in
the age of streaming porn sites and YouTube) binaries via port
monitoring and packet introspection at the Cisco level it can all be
worked around quite easily.

[Vic Titious]

John I wrote:

> Some us read and post with phones/tablets, from behind firewalls, using
> multiple computers, work computers with no admin rights, etc, etc.

Most news services allow you to access through port 80 and I think even 443
plus some ftp ports, so even the most bottlenecked firewalls let you through
this way.
Maybe some people read this way, but MOST posts I see here are from browsers
using google. Ironic to me that in a technical newsgroup people resist
installing a simple newsreader.

The no admin rights thing is a good point and a big obstacle. If you can't
coerce your IT department to let you install, you're stuck with a browser.
Then again, the issue of "what are you doing screwing off on company time
anyway?" comes up. Unless you're in marketing and could maybe make a case
for having NNTP access, you're definitely not installing.
Likely what's going on here is that most people are unaware or unable to
slug in a few preferences and instead prefer to crawl through posts with
internet explorer and google. <gack> Which is why I made the suggestion.
It's not like I said, "hey, why don't you all VPN to your home computer and
use your newsreader?"

> In other words we leave the protection of our mother's basement once in a
> while.

Desktop computers and laptops are not going anywhere, regardless of this
month's fads or because a portion of kids want to remain in the world of
high school yearbookland and facebook long after their prom days.
Personally, I don't want Zuckerberg's big nose prying up my ass and all 20
of fb's servers are on my hosts file, blocked forever.

Tablets suck, they're fragile and you can't type on them. Now they come with
plug-in keyboards! Well, that's a laptop, isn't it? So, they've reinvented
the laptop but the whole point now is to get you using insecure phone apps
to report your behavior to whomever wants to pay for it. PC apps are
infinitely more secure and I think big money wants them out of here.
Computer OS's are too secure for creepy organizations that want all of your
data. Which helps explain what all this nonsensical hype about "cloud
computing" is about. The sheep are sleep-marching to slaughter with tablets
and phones.
On your other point, I agree, it's good to get out and see the world, even
if mom misses you or you miss your Star Wars collection :)

> Newsreaders SUCK for people on the go.

I agree phone apps suck for newsreading, too. Actually, all phone apps are a
compromise. Plus they get access to your personal data every time you
install them. They know the kids aren't going to read the licensing, or
care, but I'm not a kid and as mentioned, I don't want marketing creeps
reaming my colon.
BTW, as of Sunday, it's the second time in six months that I have to take my
new car to the body shop because some "on the go" dicklick was texting in
traffic. In both cases, they were texting. Amazing.

> Not to mention that I read many other forums and don't want a whole
separate program to use just for RGP.

Your choice, but I welcome anything that speeds up my access and saves time.
As a personal rule, I try to spend as little time as possible on the
internet, but phone browsing is barbaric & uber-slow. It makes zero sense to
carry it around in my pocket and struggle all day with it. For me, when it's
computer time, I sit at a real computer or grab a netbook or laptop.

> Google ruined their groups a while back by allowing people to claim
> other posts as spam and get them deleted. The interface on the new
> Google groups is simply terrible. RGP archive and the Tapatalk App for
> phone/tablets is the way to go now. Google is still useful for
> searching, but not much more.

For the benefit of anyone else reading, when you use a newsreader, all of
this Google talk is a moot issue. All the posts come through and you can do
your own plonking and filtering. Google can do whatever it is they want to
do and it will not affect anyone using a decent NNTP reader. It's so easy to
avoid all of this annoying manipulation by google--just avoid their gateway
and access NNTP directly. Anyone can access the NNTP AIOE server for free,
too.
For the people who complain that "google went down", etc., maybe google did,
but newsreaders solve that issue, too. NNTP does not go down and is always
available.

I used a Droid for 3 months and disconnected it because all this phone
stuff, even with voice commands, and their costs, is ridiculous and
overrated. I did enjoy the GPS and kind of miss that, but I'll get over it.
Plus, I might be different than most, but I don't have peer groups that
dictate my behavior or have any need to see what Betty-Lou said to Jim-Bob
about some airhead reality show last night.

> (I have been using Newsreaders since the very early 90's, so don't even
> go there...).
>
> John

Newsreaders ARE the answer to all of the google complaints you mentioned, so
I don't get why you are set against using one.
90's are when I started using them. Still haven't seen anything close that
does it better than they do.

[cody chunn]

"In other words we leave the protection of our mother's basement once in a
while."

Once again a web user simply *cannot* support their stance without attempts
at lowbrow insults.

"Some us read and post with phones/tablets, from behind firewalls, using
multiple computers, work computers with no admin rights, etc, etc."

Well maybe you need to get back in the basement and stop wasting so much
time reading RGP on
countless devices all day long. It ain't healthy. Get a life already...

:0)

-cody


"John I" wrote in message news:John.I...@rrgparchive.com...

[Chris in Hopkins]

In the upper right corner of your google groups screen, click the
little icon that looks like a gear. Choose temporarily revert to old
google groups, or whatever it says. Boom. Done.

Yeah the text formatting of the new version is very hard to read. I
know it's new and I'll have to get used to it, but still...... it's
just hard to see and read compared to the old. Whatever......... no
biggie.

Thanks for the advice from you urging to move to a newsreader. I used
newsreaders throughout the 90s and early 2000s. Now I go between too
many computers and an ipad to do that. gg is much simpler. I accept
what it lacks.

Although if new gg is going to stay that hard to read.... RGP Archive
it shall be.

[John Robertson]

axa...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> Gah.... too late, I already clicked the banner. Holy ugliness! I can
>>> barely read the thread titles now.
>> It may be web browser dependent, but this link takes me to the OLD Google
>> Groups:
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.pinball/topics?hl=en
>>
>> And this one takes me to the NEW:
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/rec.games.pinball
>>
>>
>> - Kerry

>
> Both thinks take me to new, hehe. Whatev. Thanks though!

Clear your cache and cookies from your browser!

John :-#)#

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Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
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"Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."

[Pinball Life]

> Sure, it's all about how fat, lazy and ignorant I am (rolls eyes).