Talk Pinball Show Recording is Available. Looking for additional hosts..
Pinball Magic
Our first show with Cliffy is available to registered users in the download
area. http://www.talkpinball.com/download.php
We are also looking for people to host the download on their site to help
with bandwidth. Please email me if you are interested in doing this.
Thanks again to Cliffy, Lloyd, callers, listeners, and everyone who helped
out..
Jesse
www.talkpinball.com
Milt
This is where bittorrent would really come in handy and help with the
bandwidth issues.
Ron Strom
in...@pinballmagic.com says...
> Hello Everyone.
>
> Our first show with Cliffy is available to registered users in the download
> area. http://www.talkpinball.com/download.php
>
takeoff and extension of a PUBLIC usenet forum and as such should be
available to the general public to listen to.
It's fine it you want to limit your chat site to members so you can be
the moderator, but a webcast/podcast download is a listen only medium,
so what's with the exclusivity... ego?
I love Clay's show, hate the troll's efforts and won't listen, and am
disappointed in that I'll never be able to listen to Lloyds efforts for
a comparison.
Oh well, bullshit walks and time is precious, so this saves me some.
Good luck to and your efforts Lloyd.
--
Ron -- CARGPB7 -- (Change hot to ice to email)
axe...@earthlink.net
hotmail or yahoo account so you can register for sites. Leaving
sizeable files totally out in the open for download does have the
potential to invite abuse. That alone is good enough reason to have
users register to download.
Doesn't seem like having to register is so much to ask for you to
download a show for free, at your leisure, which takes people a lot of
effort to produce.
Again, no offense intended toward you. Just my opinion.
Chris
Ron Strom
@earthlink.net says...
Time is just too important to deal with trivial crap on the net that you
have to jump through hoops to get to.
I don't play the game of multiple id's on various sites for different
uses and have no junk accounts... just too old and tired for for the
same old games. I use my real name in all my dealings, because just
like lying, nobodys memory is good enough to do it successfully.
I don't understand the "out in the open for download" statement at all.
Why would someone waste the time to download stuff they don't want just
to abuse the "privilege"?
The other two webcast sites offer DL's without restriction and I haven't
heard of it being abused, so why should I have to cowtow for the
"privilege" of listing to Lloyds publicly broadcast show in a DL format
at a later time?
Sorry Lloyd, but I guess it'll save me some time (:-{
Again Chris, this isn't directed at you, just my opinion also.
c...@provide.net
> In article <45da9383$0$5764$4c368...@roadrunner.com>,
> i...@pinballmagic.com says...> Hello Everyone.
>
> > Our first show with Cliffy is available to registered users in the download
>
> Registered users only???? WTF is this all about? Your show is a
> takeoff and extension of a PUBLIC usenet forum and as such should be
> available to the general public to listen to.
>
> It's fine it you want to limit your chat site to members so you can be
> the moderator, but a webcast/podcast download is a listen only medium,
> so what's with the exclusivity... ego?
>
> I love Clay's show, hate the troll's efforts and won't listen, and am
> disappointed in that I'll never be able to listen to Lloyds efforts for
> a comparison.
>
> Oh well, bullshit walks and time is precious, so this saves me some.
> Good luck to and your efforts Lloyd.
Ron I agree with rant. I mean it doesn't mean
a lot coming from me given the situation, but
i still agree.
The whole pinbaltalk site is very nice, I'm sure
Jesse put a lot of time into it, but it's extremely
"top heavy". And really for no reason.
Heck I like Gary's website better. To have all
these layers that don't add any end value, well,
why?
I took a more low-road approach to our site
(marvin3m.com/topcast), much
like (*gulp!*) Gary did. Anyone can download
past shows, no ID needed. If you want to get
on the emailing list, so you can get your
dosage of Pinball Spam, you can enter your
email address. But likewise you can also
REMOVE your email address just as quickly.
And NO other statistics are collected (not even
your name, or fake name as it may be).
Because one thing I don't need in my life
is another login ID and password. And
I like the ability to be able to remove myself
from a mailer, just as easy as I can add
myself.
And if anyone has any suggestions for
our crappy website, please email me.
thanks!
cfh at provide dot net
John Pursglove
> In article <45da9383$0$5764$4c368...@roadrunner.com>,
>
> > Our first show with Cliffy is available to registered users in the download
>
> Registered users only???? WTF is this all about? Your show is a
> takeoff and extension of a PUBLIC usenet forum and as such should be
> available to the general public to listen to.
>
> It's fine it you want to limit your chat site to members so you can be
> the moderator, but a webcast/podcast download is a listen only medium,
> so what's with the exclusivity... ego?
>
> I love Clay's show, hate the troll's efforts and won't listen, and am
> disappointed in that I'll never be able to listen to Lloyds efforts for
> a comparison.
>
> Oh well, bullshit walks and time is precious, so this saves me some.
>
> Good luck to and your efforts Lloyd.
> --
> Ron -- CARGPB7 -- (Change hot to ice to email)
I agree registering just to download a file is not worth it.
John Pursglove
beaver
That show with Tim Arnold was really good. You two clearly go way
back. I listened to the show with Jack last night, and will download
show 5 next. I am unavailable to hear the show live, but the MP3 does
let me fast forward past the commercials 8-).
Edward Cheung CARGPB26
Herb Schanke
"John Pursglove" <jp.pi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171972619....@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 20, 3:01 am, Ron Strom <ron...@hothouse.net> wrote:
>> In article <45da9383$0$5764$4c368...@roadrunner.com>,
>> i...@pinballmagic.com says...> Hello Everyone.
>>
>> > Our first show with Cliffy is available to registered users in the
>> > download
>> > area.http://www.talkpinball.com/download.php
>>
>> Registered users only???? WTF is this all about? Your show is a
>> takeoff and extension of a PUBLIC usenet forum and as such should be
>> available to the general public to listen to.
>>
>> It's fine it you want to limit your chat site to members so you can be
>> the moderator, but a webcast/podcast download is a listen only medium,
>> so what's with the exclusivity... ego?
>>
>> I love Clay's show, hate the troll's efforts and won't listen, and am
>> disappointed in that I'll never be able to listen to Lloyds efforts for
>> a comparison.
>>
>>
>> Good luck to and your efforts Lloyd.
>> --
>> Ron -- CARGPB7 -- (Change hot to ice to email)
>
>
> I agree registering just to download a file is not worth it.
>
> John Pursglove
>
You've gotta be kidding me?! Registering took all of about 90 seconds and
all you need to give out is your name and email address (and you readily
give that up every time you post in RGP).
Herb Schanke
miracleman
FWIW the compression makes it hard to understand, I think everyone was
'calling in' to begin with over the phone, and compression only makes
it harder to understand. Really tinny.
PT
problem with the file server speed. It's nice to have a second viable
pinball podcast to go along with Clay's show.
That said, I have to agree with Ron. I see no reason what-so-ever to
limit file downloads in any way. The object here is to get as many
people to listen as possible.
I'll at least assume that mirror sites will be allowed to host the
files with no restrictions?
John
c...@provide.net
well it depends how he implements the mirror.
If jesse does it thru his web page frontend, yea you'll
probably still need an ID. but if he just has a
link to the mirror site, mostly like no ID required.
Steve Charland
he'll listen and implement any good suggestions. I would like to see him
make the show a little easier access for computer dummies like me, too
much of "clicking this and that" drives me nuts. I do understand the
"learn to walk before you run" type of thinking though. I'm sure it will
get better as the bugs get worked out Ron, patients is a virtue and the
rewards will be great. Hang in there. :) -S (CARGPB1)
Drexful
>
> but a webcast/podcast download is a listen only medium,
> so what's with the exclusivity... ego?
Ego.. LMAO! No, it has to do with making the download available to
everyone without making the website slow to a grinding halt.
>
>
> Oh well, bullshit walks and time is precious, so this saves me some.
Can I do anything right, Ron? Maybe I'll just say the heck with it and
let someone else do this.. This is effort is taking up a lot of my
time. Do you realize this? I am doing the best I can...
Drexful
>
>
> The whole pinbaltalk site is very nice, I'm sure
> Jesse put a lot of time into it, but it's extremely
> "top heavy". And really for no reason.
Clay, would you like to give me some suggestions?
You've outlined in your emails to me the reason you guys are doing
this.. To bury Gary.. Good luck on your venture.. Do you have a hidden
agenda that we don't know about?
One thing you won't see from me is picking apart your show and
website.. Why do you feel the need to compete with everyone? What's
the deal?
> Because one thing I don't need in my life
> is another login ID and password. And
> I like the ability to be able to remove myself
> from a mailer, just as easy as I can add
> myself.
No one is added to a mailing list automatically on our site. What are
you talking about?
Wolffy
the Internet. (I do PKI so it is the even more advanced stuff than
username/password.) When I find a site that requires registration I
move on. The Web is a free information tool. The only reasons to
require registration is to protect confidential information or so the
site operator can spam and sell e-mail address. No thanks, there are
many more legitimate sites out there for free information than the scam
ones.
-wolffy
Drexful
> Hello Everyone.
>
> Our first show with Cliffy is available to registered users in the download
>
> We are also looking for people to host the download on their site to help
> with bandwidth. Please email me if you are interested in doing this.
>
> Thanks again to Cliffy, Lloyd, callers, listeners, and everyone who helped
> out..
>
> Jessewww.talkpinball.com
Guys, I put the file up at 12:30 am this morning. I was tired to say
the least.. I figured out a way to make the download available without
registering on the site and still keep bandwidth issues under control.
So, the download is available to guests as well as members. Please
email me if you have any questions - jesse(at)talkpinball.com
Thank you for your patience :)
Jesse
rwi...@advantexmail.net
have to register. I'm sure everybody would have understood.
The is great that your making the show available to download. I wish I
would have heard about the show when it was on. Do you have to
register to get a notice about the show times? A little more
advertising wouldn't hurt. I really don't know much about this show
except that Lloyd and Cliffy and of course Jesse is involved.
Rich Wiski
c...@provide.net
> On Feb 20, 5:40 am, c...@provide.net wrote:
> > The whole pinbaltalk site is very nice, I'm sure
> > Jesse put a lot of time into it, but it's extremely
> > "top heavy". And really for no reason.
>
> Clay, would you like to give me some suggestions?
Like i said before... top heavy.
way too many 'clicks' to get anywhere.
Way too much overhead and stuff that isn't
or will never be utilized. The whole thing is
very top heavy. And it just does not need to be.
> You've outlined in your emails to me the reason you guys are doing
> this.. To bury Gary.. Good luck on your venture.. Do you have a hidden
> agenda that we don't know about?
Gary is plenty capable of burying himself (or not).
He does not need my help in any way, shape or
form. He's perfectly capable of doing a good show,
and then doing a 'bull' show. It's a 1 step forward,
2 steps back thing. But it's *his* show, and he
likes doing it. So i really can't fault him for it. If
people don't like it, they won't listen. They can vote
with their feet.
> One thing you won't see from me is picking apart your show and
> website.. Why do you feel the need to compete with everyone? What's
> the deal?
actually pick away. i would love to hear some
critics and comments on our efforts. i'm all ears.
i can't fix it if i don't know what's broken.
i'm not picking TPin apart. I said it was a very nice
site, but it's top heavy. and it is. Remove all the
layers and you will have a much easier to use site
with less clicks and more value. And remove all
the stuff that's just not gonna get used. The blog
thing is cute, but you're doing a radio show not a
blog. Transcripts? What percentage of the pin
population needs (or wants) that? Get rid of all
those layers and make it more KISS.
> > Because one thing I don't need in my life
> > is another login ID and password. And
> > I like the ability to be able to remove myself
> > from a mailer, just as easy as I can add
> > myself.
>
> No one is added to a mailing list automatically on our site. What are
> you talking about?
Requiring registration is essentially adding
info about yourself which you do NOT need.
People are paranoid about this stuff, and rightfully
so. And what's the point? Where's the value added?
Keep your eye on the prize! (Getting listeners
and getting your point 'out there'). If you add
layers and registrations and click click click,
the end product is all diluted.
Not only that, but it's a TIME SUCK for you.
I know EXACTLY how much time this stuff
takes. PHP is fun, but so is relaxing and not
having to update the site with stuff that isn't
really adding value, or that's not being used.
please don't call us 'competitive'.
Korn and I tried like gangbusters to
bring us all together under a single umbrela.
As soon as we found out you guys were doing
a show, we called. we emailed. we called again.
we emailed again. But we got no love.
Ron Strom
to it ;-D
--
Ron -- CARGPB7 -- (Change hot to ice to email)
In article <45DB0B56...@comcast.net>, ccha...@comcast.net
says...
Ron Strom
dre...@gmail.com says...
> On Feb 20, 2:01 am, Ron Strom <ron...@hothouse.net> wrote:
> >
> > but a webcast/podcast download is a listen only medium,
> > so what's with the exclusivity... ego?
>
> Ego.. LMAO! No, it has to do with making the download available to
> everyone without making the website slow to a grinding halt.
>
going to thousands of non-pinheads dl'ing and listening to this stuff?
Ask Clay how many dl's he has and if it drags his server(s) down.
Ron Strom
dre...@gmail.com says...
Cliffy
Ron Strom wrote:
> "patients" are only a virtue to a hospital Steve. HA!... I beat Cliffy
> to it ;-D
--
Cliffy - CARGPB2
A passion for pinball!
http://www.passionforpinball.com
c...@provide.net
> In article <1171984523.045571.326...@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>,
> drex...@gmail.com says...> On Feb 20, 2:01 am, Ron Strom <ron...@hothouse.net> wrote:
> > > but a webcast/podcast download is a listen only medium,
> > > so what's with the exclusivity... ego?
>
> > Ego.. LMAO! No, it has to do with making the download available to
> > everyone without making the website slow to a grinding halt.
>
> Come on now... are you kidding me? Do you really believe there are
> going to thousands of non-pinheads dl'ing and listening to this stuff?
>
> Ask Clay how many dl's he has and if it drags his server(s) down.
I gotta agree with Ron again.
Though there are a surprising amount
of downloads, it's really nothing in
the 'big picture'. this isn't Britney Spear's
latest MP3 after all...
TheKorn
news:1172001831.0...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> I gotta agree with Ron again.
> Though there are a surprising amount
> of downloads, it's really nothing in
> the 'big picture'. this isn't Britney Spear's
> latest MP3 after all...
You put up a copy of, "Freshly shaven -- and LOVING it!.mp3" somewhere??
WHERE?!? :)
--
Have a home video that's trapped on your camera? Want to share it on the
web or on DVD?
Lloyd Olson
he'll do the best he can. I know we won't be able to please everybody, but
we'll try and work through everything and do a good show. LTG :)
"Steve Charland" <ccha...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:45DB0B56...@comcast.net...
Ron Strom
enjoyed it a lot. I also posted a thank you to Jesse for doing so.
It started out with a lot of breakup and was an effort to keep listening
but the hanging in there was worth it. It had a few breakups at various
points but I just figure these are par for the course in startups like
this. All the shows experienced them.
I can't always listen in real time and thank Jesse again for the ability
to timeshift.
As far as pleasing everybody on this group... you've got to be kidding
huh, right Lloyd :-D
--
Ron -- CARGPB7 -- (Change hot to ice to email)
In article <BZudnaLYjJpn-EbY...@skypoint.com>,
l...@ssbilliards.com says...
Drexful
>
> Like i said before... top heavy.
> way too many 'clicks' to get anywhere.
> Way too much overhead and stuff that isn't
> or will never be utilized. The whole thing is
> very top heavy. And it just does not need to be.
>
I am open to making the site more functional. People can email
comments or suggestions to us. We may not have the resources to do
everything, but we can certainly try.
>
> i'm not picking TPin apart. I said it was a very nice
> site, but it's top heavy. and it is. Remove all the
> layers and you will have a much easier to use site
> with less clicks and more value. And remove all
> the stuff that's just not gonna get used.
Like what? Nobody is going to use the event calendar, wants to know
about our sponsors, or get contest info?
>The blog
> thing is cute, but you're doing a radio show not a
> blog.
It's not your typical "blog".. The postings are related to the talk
show.. People are utilizing the site. I know this for a fact.
>Transcripts? What percentage of the pin
> population needs (or wants) that?
Umm. Where do you see transcripts? Read up on RGP as it was suggested.
We've decided to not go that route unless there is a volunteer.
> please don't call us 'competitive'.
> Korn and I tried like gangbusters to
> bring us all together under a single umbrela.
> As soon as we found out you guys were doing
> a show, we called. we emailed. we called again.
> we emailed again. But we got no love.
FWIW: I offered the use of our server, space on the website, etc for
Topcast.
Drexful
Thanks for the input. Our next show will have better quality. I had
some problems getting this one to sound good since it was compressed,
decompressed, and compressed again. I forgot to lower the settings on
Audacity :(
TheKorn
@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>> please don't call us 'competitive'.
>> Korn and I tried like gangbusters to
>> bring us all together under a single umbrela.
>> As soon as we found out you guys were doing
>> a show, we called. we emailed. we called again.
>> we emailed again. But we got no love.
>
> FWIW: I offered the use of our server, space on the website, etc for
> Topcast.
You did, but I didn't feel that an absolutely free server from
www.listen2myradio.com was going to be robust enough to handle the load
of the expected listening audience. Moreso, a free service (such as
listen2myradio) doesn't have any impetus to resolve issues should some
arise, such as what happened on sunday night. (They can refund the
purchase price easily at any time! :) )
Server aside, we were attempting to combine efforts in more than a simple
"allocation of resources" way. Stronger united than divided and all
that. But it was not to be; kind of a shame, really.
Steve Charland
work so I couldn't start over. I had hoped it would slip by quietly.
Thanks guys. ;) -S (CARGPB1)
Boiler_81
the next show. That should increase listenership.
Pinball Magic
"Wolffy" <sendnospa...@gaspar.net> wrote in message
news:SJCdneLHEYKDvUbY...@speakeasy.net...
>The only reasons to require registration is to protect confidential
>information or so the site operator can spam and sell e-mail address.
Please don't imply we are spamming people or selling email addresses. It is
a fricken pinball website..
>No thanks, there are many more legitimate sites out there for free
>information than the scam ones.
Suit yourself, but our website is not a scam website...
Pinball Magic
> You did, but I didn't feel that an absolutely free server was going to be
> of the expected listening audience.
We had other server options when we mentioned it to you.. A fellow RGP'er
offer their services for the show. I wasn't talking about the server we used
Sunday night.. Don't jump to conclusions.. We offered to work with you.. I
won't drag out personal emails, so let's just leave it alone... Yeah we had
minor problems on our first show.. So did you guys.. Are we ever going to
live that down?
P.S. Our server could handle the bandwidth just fine.. We had 45 concurrent
listeners on Sunday evening. Many of the problems were due to the streaming
camera and broadcasting the show at the same time. Matters aside, we are
going to consider the offer from a fellow RGP'er and see what we come up
with.
> Server aside, we were attempting to combine efforts in more than a simple
> "allocation of resources" way. Stronger united than divided and all
> that. But it was not to be; kind of a shame, really.
Yes, it is a shame.. Either way, my offer still stands if you guys need
anything.
TheKorn
news:45dbaa08$0$16935$4c36...@roadrunner.com:
>> You did, but I didn't feel that an absolutely free server was going
>> to be robust enough to handle the load
>> of the expected listening audience.
>
> We had other server options when we mentioned it to you.. A fellow
> RGP'er offer their services for the show. I wasn't talking about the
> server we used Sunday night.. Don't jump to conclusions.
The only conclusion that I jumped to was that if you had a better server
to use than the one you used Sunday night, you would have used it.
That's not an incredible leap of faith.
> We offered
> to work with you.. I won't drag out personal emails, so let's just
> leave it alone...
Jesse, you should NEVER post the contents of personal emails on a
newsgroup, period. You *should* know better, but apparently you think
you're doing me a favor.
> Yeah we had minor problems on our first show.. So
> did you guys.. Are we ever going to live that down?
TOPcast did have some problems with the server on the first show. When
we hit 130 listeners things didn't go so well.
Like anything, the shows are works in progress. Make progress, and
people will forget and forgive earlier problems. Until that point, there
is no "living it down".
> P.S. Our server could handle the bandwidth just fine.. We had 45
> concurrent listeners on Sunday evening. Many of the problems were due
> to the streaming camera and broadcasting the show at the same time.
> Matters aside, we are going to consider the offer from a fellow RGP'er
> and see what we come up with.
Jesse, you *do* realize that if you go to pinball.listen2myradio.com,
they POST the number of concurrent listeners, don't you? (currently at
zero, but that makes sense.) That number topped out right over *30* on
Sunday, and at the point the stream was unlistenable. You can claim all
the listeners and bandwidth you want, but your own provider gives the
real number to anyone who cares to look.
>> Server aside, we were attempting to combine efforts in more than a
>> simple "allocation of resources" way. Stronger united than divided
>> and all that. But it was not to be; kind of a shame, really.
>
> Yes, it is a shame.. Either way, my offer still stands if you guys
> need anything.
Thanks.
Pinball Magic
"TheKorn" <The...@TheKorn.Net> wrote in message
news:Xns98DDE88EC...@207.115.17.102...
>> We had other server options when we mentioned it to you.. A fellow
>> RGP'er offer their services for the show. I wasn't talking about the
>> server we used Sunday night.. Don't jump to conclusions.
>
> The only conclusion that I jumped to was that if you had a better server
> to use than the one you used Sunday night, you would have used it.
> That's not an incredible leap of faith.
Let me make this clear.. We had an offer from a fellow RGP'er to use his T3
and equipment. Since he did not have a Shoutcast server setup yet, we tried
the free service for last Sunday's show. I have nothing to prove to you or
Clay.. Just stating facts.. Good luck with your show :)
> Jesse, you *do* realize that if you go to pinball.listen2myradio.com,
> they POST the number of concurrent listeners, don't you? (currently at
> zero, but that makes sense.) That number topped out right over *30* on
> Sunday, and at the point the stream was unlistenable. You can claim all
> the listeners and bandwidth you want, but your own provider gives the
> real number to anyone who cares to look.
Wow.. I wish I had taken a screen shot of the DNAS server.. We had 45
listeners towards the end of the show..
Sauger
need to pay for bandwidth.
"Pinball Magic" <in...@pinballmagic.com> wrote in message
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TheKorn
> "TheKorn" <The...@TheKorn.Net> wrote in message
> news:Xns98DDE88EC...@207.115.17.102...
>>> We had other server options when we mentioned it to you.. A fellow
>>> RGP'er offer their services for the show. I wasn't talking about the
>>> server we used Sunday night.. Don't jump to conclusions.
>>
>> The only conclusion that I jumped to was that if you had a better
>> server to use than the one you used Sunday night, you would have used
>> it. That's not an incredible leap of faith.
>
> Let me make this clear.. We had an offer from a fellow RGP'er to use
> his T3 and equipment. Since he did not have a Shoutcast server setup
> yet, we tried the free service for last Sunday's show. I have nothing
> to prove to you or Clay.. Just stating facts.. Good luck with your
> show :)
(chuckles)
>> Jesse, you *do* realize that if you go to pinball.listen2myradio.com,
>> they POST the number of concurrent listeners, don't you? (currently
>> at zero, but that makes sense.) That number topped out right over
>> *30* on Sunday, and at the point the stream was unlistenable. You
>> can claim all the listeners and bandwidth you want, but your own
>> provider gives the real number to anyone who cares to look.
>
> Wow.. I wish I had taken a screen shot of the DNAS server.. We had 45
> listeners towards the end of the show..
When you get down to it, it doesn't matter. But I find your revisionist
history amusing.
Steve
I offered to help but got no reply. If you are just expecting us to
snag the file and then send you a link..etc, then tell me where I can
snag the file. I am not going to pay Apple for Quicktime Pro.
Let me know if you still need mirrors.
Steve
Drexful
Hi Steve,
I'm sorry I didn't get back to you last night.. Things have been very
hectic! Could you download the mp3 and send me a link? That would be
much appreciated :)
The mp3 is at http://www.talkpinball.com/download.php?view.1
Thank you for your help :)
Jesse
c...@provide.net
> "TheKorn" <TheK...@TheKorn.Net> wrote in message
> news:Xns98DDE88EC...@207.115.17.102...
> >> We had other server options when we mentioned it to you.. A fellow
> >> RGP'er offer their services for the show. I wasn't talking about the
> >> server we used Sunday night.. Don't jump to conclusions.
>
> > The only conclusion that I jumped to was that if you had a better server
> > to use than the one you used Sunday night, you would have used it.
> > That's not an incredible leap of faith.
>
> Let me make this clear.. We had an offer from a fellow RGP'er to use his T3
> and equipment. Since he did not have a Shoutcast server setup yet, we tried
> the free service for last Sunday's show. I have nothing to prove to you or
> Clay.. Just stating facts.. Good luck with your show :)
Actually you DO have something to prove.
You took donation money. And not just a dollar
here or there. there were at least a couple
people that donated 3 figures. Yet you refuse
to lease *real* shoutcast server time.
So where does this money go? to the
PinMagic/LTG human change maker beer fund?
Gary and us didn't have a problem leasing
a real server for this. and we didn't ask for
money either. We have advertising, but it's
basically free of charge (i have yet to send
out any bills to the advertisers, and it is
doubtful i ever will). All expenses came out
of my and korn's pocket. yea sure we cut
some corners, but when it came to servers
and bandwidth, that was one corner we
did not cut.
Also our first show (and Gary's) went off
without a hitch. Yea there were minor problems
(like i forgot to turn off call waiting on the phone),
but nothing like what you had.
Drexful
>
> Actually you DO have something to prove.
> You took donation money. And not just a dollar
> here or there.
Well it's about time your true feelings came out!!
1. Every donation we received was VOLUNTARY.
2. We didn't "TAKE" anyone's money.. There were several people who
wanted to know if we were accepting donations.. If I remember
correctly, Cliffy suggested setting up a Paypal account. Read up on
Google..
3. We also offered to return *any* donations if asked.. Again, read up
on Google.
>Yet you refuse
> to lease *real* shoutcast server time.
Did you bother to read my prevous posts? Or my emails to you?
> So where does this money go? to the
> PinMagic/LTG human change maker beer fund?
We *knew* this was coming... If any of the contributors want an
itemized list of the costs involved. Feel free to email me. I've kept
track of every expense..
>we didn't ask for money either.
We didn't ask for money.. Read above.
>We have advertising, but it's
> basically free of charge (i have yet to send
> out any bills to the advertisers, and it is
> doubtful i ever will).
Ok.. So what's your point?
>All expenses came out
> of my and korn's pocket. yea sure we cut
> some corners, but when it came to servers
> and bandwidth, that was one corner we
> did not cut.
We used a free server for our first show.. Again, read my post above..
>
> Also our first show (and Gary's) went off
> without a hitch. Yea there were minor problems
> (like i forgot to turn off call waiting on the phone),
> but nothing like what you had.
Did you listen to the show? It's wasn't as bad as you make it out to
be..
Drexful
download our shows. Don't worry about having to remember another link
since our site automatically selects the right one :)
Thank you Tony!
Jesse
www.talkpinball.com
Lloyd Olson
Jesse has some of the equipment, and gotten more out of his own pocket
before donations. I put out $90 of my own for a headset to help block out
back ground noise from my arcade. All donated money is with Jesse, and I'm
sure if any of the people directly involved want to know where there money
is or being used or even refunded, just ask.
And there will be more expenses as time goes by, long after donations. Which
I already discussed with Jesse, and will help contribute so any short falls
are split and not all on him.
Why the insult Clay ? I've never been nothing but good to you, telling new
people to check out your repair guides, even plugged the TOPS tapes, best
bang for your buck in the hobby - you remember that ? the money from that
goes to buy a building for the PHOF doesn't it ? The money donated is in 6
figures, isn't it ? They are leasing aren't they ? Where does that money go
?
You should think long and hard before you go pointing the dirty stick at me
Clay. Lloyd
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you guys are right. I should not have
said that. I apologize for that.
I hope you can accept my apology.
gpc...@yahoo.com
at least with our show, we tell you right up front what you are going
to get
Controversy
and we don't make any excuses for it
tonight the Virginia Bull is on rampage
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