Python Anghelo on TOPCast tonight at 9pm Eastern
Al Warner
Python Anghelo, pinball designer at Williams and Capcom.
Python was involved with (Williams) Comet, High Speed, Grand
Lizard, Pinbot, Big Guns, Cyclone, Taxi, Jokerz!, Police
Force, Bad Cats, Bugs Bunny`s Birthday Ball, The Machine:
Bride of Pinbot, Fish Tales, Popeye, Pinball Circus
(YES the one at PHoF), Flipper Football (Capcom).
Python was also creative director at Capcom Pinball,
and was involved with all of their pin games. Python
is well known for his stories, so this interview should be
a good one. This interview was difficult to get, so do not
miss the `live` airing as there is no telling what Python
might talk about.
For more details see http://marvin3m.com/topcast
angelsfan1
> miss the `live` airing as there is no telling what Python
> might talk about.
Has it already been recorded? Just wondering why the 'live' is always
shown in in quotations. I was thinking it has already been recorded
and this will be a live airing instead of a live interview. Just
curious!
Shawn
Al Warner
Shaggy has been trying to keep people listening live to justify the expense
of the service he has to buy. We would ALL hate to see TOPCast dissapear
because Shaggy thought nobody cared enough to listen live.
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Gunstar Hero
think Clay might be in over his head here!
pinballzmylife
> Wow. This is freaking wild. Python is seriously pulling no punches. I
> think Clay might be in over his head here!
This guy is Awesome.. I hope he doesn't just quit the interview.. He
seems to think that clay needs to read some book first, before he
continues to get the whole story.
djcha...@hotmail.com
it's convienient, they will. I really hope that doesn't hurt Shaggy's
feelings. I think he's doing a fantastic job with this! I've listened
to several shows more than once, but do have a hard time catching all
the shows live. Let's hope he can justify the tech shows, because they
really are fun and informative.
MAN, PYTHON DOESN'T HOLD BACK DOES HE??? Yikes!
Chuck E.
www.myspace.com/zombiecrow
Beemus
And I missed the first 25 minutes.
Gunstar Hero
> FU**IN EPIC!
> And I missed the first 25 minutes.
I don't think he likes Pat Lawlor... O_o
Al Warner
know which... Prolly both.
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kirb
> Wow. This is freaking wild. Python is seriously pulling no punches. I
> think Clay might be in over his head here!
#1- python is unpredictable, so you can't count on him to do a "live"
interview. Clay had to schedule this interview several times
#2- The download shows might have some things deleted so as not to
cause the fallout as little g's show. There are still people who won't
do shows because of him
#3- Without live shows, you won't get any live tech shows. Those shows
are actually really fun. I enjoyed the final minutes of the last
one :)
Kirb
Beemus
Even the designer shares my thoughts on Bad Cats. ;-)
This is priceless, brutal and from the hip. WOW!
PLEASE post this ASAP and AS-IS... I have to hear the first half.
After you call all the people Python has told you to, of course. ;-)
On Jul 1, 6:36 pm, Beemus <beria...@yahoo.com> wrote:
kirb
> This thing is all over the place but it's brilliant, or insanity, I don't
> know which... Prolly both.
>
>
> news:1183340042.4...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > It's kinda like Tivo... When you make it so people can listen when
> > it's convienient, they will. I really hope that doesn't hurt Shaggy's
> > feelings. I think he's doing a fantastic job with this! I've listened
> > to several shows more than once, but do have a hard time catching all
> > the shows live. Let's hope he can justify the tech shows, because they
> > really are fun and informative.
>
> > MAN, PYTHON DOESN'T HOLD BACK DOES HE??? Yikes!
>
> > Chuck E.
> >www.myspace.com/zombiecrow
>
> > On Jul 1, 8:29 pm, Gunstar Hero <gunstarh...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> Wow. This is freaking wild. Python is seriously pulling no punches. I
>
> - Show quoted text -
Clay is trying to stear the car, but Python keeps going for the
guardrail.
Thumper
> It would be best to listen to it live. I've heard Python is over the edge.
> Shaggy has been trying to keep people listening live to justify the expense
> of the service he has to buy. We would ALL hate to see TOPCast dissapear
> because Shaggy thought nobody cared enough to listen live.
I can't listen to it live because our satellite internet isn't fast
enough. You hear about 15 seconds then it goes into the 'buffering'
mode for 30 seconds or so, then repeats. So, I just wait until I can
download it and listen without all the breakups.
Dave
MarcelG
I'm having trouble also, but its on my end. Hopefully it won't be
edited that much for the download.
Marcel
john
He's like the Marlon Brando of Pinball. I love hearing the behind the
scenes dirt about Williams.
Gunstar Hero
I hope it won't be. I plan to DL it and file it in my "most amazing
things ever" file.
Jim D. in TN
> He seems to think that clay needs to read some book first, before he
> continues to get the whole story.
Python keeps referring to Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead. A central
tenet of the book is "Man's ego is the fountainhead of human
progress".
Mark S.
Gee, its hard to believe there are certain pinball people who don't
care for him ; - )
He has pretty much unleashed a blowtorch on everyone in pinball except
Eugene Jarvis, Harry WIlliams, and David Christensen. WOW.
kirb
He likes Steve Richie too...not too many more from what I heard.
djcha...@hotmail.com
chest??? Ohhhhh my god.
I like Clay's reply to half his answers. "Huh...". Shaggy's doing
better than I could... I'd be speechless!
Chuck E.
www.myspace.com/zombiecrow
john
djcha...@hotmail.com
I'm going to bed. My brain hurts from everything I just learned. Most
entertaining couple of hours I've had all week! Awesome job landing
that one Clay.
Chuck E.
www.myspace.com/zombiecrow
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garavaml
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Al Warner
be up for D/L as-is.
Wow, I mean WOW!
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Thumper
it LIVE with no breakups. Maybe it's because we cut down a few trees
and the satellite signal is stronger. Even though the installer said
the dish was looking over them.
Quite a wild interview. Thanks Clay and all the other guys who help
you, for putting it all together.
Dave DeWinter
Fred Kemper
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Ron Strom
Listening live is nice but sometimes it can't be done. Why penalize
those folks because of circumstances?
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Gregg
Awesome show!!!!! He had to tell Clay at least 6 times to read that
book. Sounds like it had major influence on his philosophy. Either
that or he is just plain nuts. Talk about dropping bombs on some major
players in the industry, wow.
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Gregg in Baltimore
Pinball Magic
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planetbiz
did. This was without a doubt the wildest and zaniest interview yet.
I had remembered that the mention of Python's name usually invoked
some sort of negative remark in earlier interviews. I could only
imagine about this person but now I can see why he evokes those
feelings. It could take about 10-20 shows of interviews with the
other industry players to try to sort through his litany of
accomplishments, inventions, trials, and tribulations. I'd love to
hear some of those responses.
It is nice how Python bonded with Clay (his fellow Arteeeeeest).
So, Clay, are you going to read the book?
Bill
MarcelG
> This was like nothing that I've ever heard before, I can't imagine it will
> be up for D/L as-is.
>
>
Stewie Caines
you were listening?
I know its not politically correct to stereotype people, but I just could
help think of Borat as I listen to the Python interview.
Great stuff, I hope its ALL made available for download as I didn't get to
hear the show from begining to end, I was coming in and out of the room when
I could to listen.
Stewie
c...@provide.net
> TX
Fred, in good mind, i can't post the interview
as-is. there's just no way. for example, the
part about magic-themed games, and the
desk/chest, and the spitting, and the pants,
aw man, i just don't think so.
he basically did not want me to do this
interview until after i read "the Fountainhead"
book. He kept trying to end the interview.
I was amazed i kept him on the phone as
long as i did. The only way to do that was
to not do things too orderly. i might be able
to re-order the interview chronologically,
but that may make a mess of it. frankly
i'm not quite sure what to do.
> "Al Warner" <alsarcadNOS...@bellsouth.net> wrote in messagenews:EOZhi.16649$p7....@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> > This was like nothing that I've ever heard before, I can't imagine it will be up for D/L as-is.
>
> > Wow, I mean WOW!- Hide quoted text -
john
when it is available, but I couldn't stop listening to this one.
Pissed that I missed the beginning.
skbrothers
>
> - Show quoted text -
PLEASE POST IT FOR DOWNLOAD UNABRIDGED CLAY!!!
I was unable to hear it as I had family commitments.
You could disclaimer it if necessary. ie: the views expressed by our
guest are not necessarily the views of this radio show. In the
interest of free speech and the first amendment of the United States
of America we at Topcast feel it is important NOT to edit or modify
the content of this radio broadcast. Blah-blah-blah.
Don't modify it an punish those of us that could not make the live
broadcast. If Python offended others in the industry then it is
PYTHON that offended them NOT YOU.
I look forward to the download. Cant wait to hear it!
Steve
angelsfan1
I agree with Steve! I was listening to the first 5 minutes and was
already blown away when I got a call from my sister with some personal
family news. I had paused the interview, and then my computer locked
up. I want to hear the REAL DEAL! Don't edit it! It is his words that
he said and he can stand by them like a man. He obviously has these
views and made them them public. You are just the outlet. Do not edit
based on your beliefs or shock. It was meant to be heard, and
everything has already been said and is out there. Give it to us
uncensored! When will it be available? Thanks Clay,and keep up the
good, UNCENSORED work!
Shawn
Al Warner
said could really tick off potential guests. I try to get people on all the
time, as do others. It's really hard to convice some people. It's not as
easy as "Leave it as-is" (in my opinion).
Al
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Fred Kemper
It IS that easy, or then what is the point?
In my opinion.
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"As Is" or no cookie.
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Beemus
I think you cover your stance clearly with the various disclaimers
throughout the interview. While it is easy for the masses to get
excited about such candid comments and "shots" at folks who aren't
there to defend themselves, I think most are grown up enough to
recognize this for what it is... ONE man's side of the story. It is
foolish to think for a second that all these talented people got along
or even liked eachother. If Mr. Python wants to bring his side to the
surface, it ISN'T the gospel. Until I meet these people in person or
walk a mile in their shoes, what someone else says about them is taken
with a grain of salt.
That said, the interview IS wildly entertaining and brutally candid.
You did not ask Mr. Python to comment on other designers... he did
that on his own. Likewise, if you had any of the folks he mentioned on
as future guests it is a safe assumption that you won't be playing the
he-said-she-said game with them either. But if THEY want to go there
then so be it. Consider yourself a journalist on this matter who is
simply providing a venue for these folks to tell their story for the
sake of pinball history. If someone can't see beyond that and doesn't
want to be on your show because you posted an interview of someone who
doesn't "like" them... too bad for them... likely wouldn't make an
intriguing guest anyways.
I understand your aprehension on the matter but I think everyone can
recogize this interview for what it was and WHO it was... shouldn't
surprise anyone.
Thanks for your efforts and bravo.
Kevin L'Heureux
be held liable for the ramblings of others, nor should others hold you
accountable for what other guests have said. You are just a
facilitator. Please post it uncensored and add a disclaimer. I don't
see how anyone else could hold you responsible. it's journalism 101.
miracleman
If you edit/censor the posting of the interview just to punish those
of us who couldn't listen 'live', that's bull.
The shows posted for download should be the same as aired, if not,
what's the point?
But, it's you're gig, so do what ya want.
deafdumb&blindboy
Which was a drag, especially after hearing what I missed. Please do
not censor it Clay, you owe it to your listeners and the pinball
community at large to let the record stand as it may. It's no
reflection on you what he said. And he's right about Ayn Rand - self
determinism, man. Your world is what you make of it. And if he is such
a follower of her philosophy, then he said what he said knowing that
what he said was what he really feels. He sounds like that kind of guy
anyway - who was it that you interviewed that said that working with
Python was just a nightmare because he would procrastinate until the
last minute and then pull wild stuff out under pressure that just blew
everyone away?
As an owner of BoP though, you really get an appreciation of the guy's
genius. Especially since it has elements of Pinbot but is totally
different, unlike Jackbot which is only different thanks to the magic
of the DMD. But that's beside the point, the point is, please post it
as unexpurgated as possible, those of us who tried our best but were
unable to catch it live, as well as all the other otherwise occupied
folks in pinball land, want to hear it all, or as much as possible
anyway.
J.
miracleman
> If you edit/censor the posting of the interview just to punish those
> of us who couldn't listen 'live', that's bull.
> The shows posted for download should be the same as aired, if not,
> what's the point?
> But, it's you're gig, so do what ya want.
oops. YOUR gig, jeez.
Cayle George
they start getting edited for content is the moment I stop listening
for good.
You have a great show and you have great guests. So what if someone
says something a bit edgy. Who is going to want to go on your show if
they think their words might be censored or edited?
-cAyle
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G-man uk
> I usually can only listen to the downloadable versions, and IMO, once
> they start getting edited for content is the moment I stop listening
> for good.
>
> You have a great show and you have great guests. So what if someone
> says something a bit edgy. Who is going to want to go on your show if
> they think their words might be censored or edited?
Usually due to the time the 'live' show is aired I can only listen to
the downloads.
If the guy had called you and asked you to remove stuff then you'd be
absolutely right to remove it but unless he does that, I think that you
post it as-is. Besides, what you might find happening is people making
the 'unedited' version available elsewhere for download and that kind of
split we could do without.
I wanted to listen to it live this morning but forgot to set the timer
to record it (doh!). You'll never please everyone on time slot sadly.
Just MO.
Gunstar Hero
> X-no-archive: yes
>
> Al Warner wrote:
> > It would be best to listen to it live. I've heard Python is over the edge.
> > Shaggy has been trying to keep people listening live to justify the expense
> > of the service he has to buy. We would ALL hate to see TOPCast dissapear
> > because Shaggy thought nobody cared enough to listen live.
>
> I've asked before, but I'll ask again. Would it be possible to add the
> GMT time to the listing so that those of us in GMT land know when it's
> going to be aired?
>
> I'd love to listen to it live, but at (likely) 2-3am in the morning when
> I have work to go to in 5 or 6 hours is not feasable.
I had to leave to go get a new pin! Please put up the DL unhacked.
Well, even IF it gets reposted with the changes, I'm glad to have
heard what I did. Python is every bit the madman I expected him to be.
It's good that sometimes, people live up to (and beyond!)
expectations.
Great show. Best interview so far. Much better than the "list of pins"
format. Kudos to Clay! =)
dcerny
I always try and catch the shows live because I know you make a big
point to say how much it means to you and to the show. In turn,
believe it or not, that means a LOT to me because I believe you are,
as you say, recording an oral history of the game one interview at a
time and doing an awesome job of it to boot. I listen at work, at
home, anywhere I can get to a computer to open the stream and show you
somebody is listening live. Well, tonite due to rather unfortunate
personal circumstances I missed it. And boy does it sound like I
missed a doozie!
Please do not penalize me and others in my position who missed the
show for whatever reason by censoring what is obviously great
material. If you want the stories from the mouths of the people who
were there and they give them to you- let them be heard. Not just for
the hour or two but for the permanent record. Pinball can't be all
wine and roses.
Really looking forward to the download. (Sorry again I missed it live)
Dan
llabrevlis
my car are my only options! On our recent trip to PAGG, a 16 hour
trip each way, we probably listinred to 20 hours of Topcasts, really
made the trip bearable!! And we didn't fast forward thru the
commercials either ;-)))
DG
Vegemite Nick
Really disappointed to miss that live, but it was the middle of the
working day for me down here.
So - anyone record the steam and would like to email me the file? :)
Include your address and I'll send you the usual "reward". (Or won't
if you prefer... ;)
c...@provide.net
> Then, ALL shows, including this one, are bogus......
> It IS that easy, or then what is the point?
>
> In my opinion.
> TX
Fred it's just SO much more complicated an issue
than that. Sure i don't want to edit it, but what choice
do i have? Again i look at NPR as a good baseline.
First, they would NEVER put someone on 'live', for
fear what they would say (which is hard to retract).
So all the news stuff you think is 'live' on the radio,
really isn't.
The guy swore like a sailor. I mean it's not a big deal
to have some swearing, i have no issue with that.
but he really said a couple things that were, umm,
just plain crude. There's no reason for it, and taking
it out does NOT change what he's trying to say. It
just makes it more palletable.
My goal is to have an oral history of pinball that
will live in digital format for years to come. So i have
to make sure the guests are presented in the best
light possible. If that means taking out a couple "f*ck"
or "sh*t" here and there and a bunch of "umms", so
be it.
The other problem is this - what if someone hears
all the swearing, and goes back to the guest and
complains? Then i get a call from the guest, "I am
requesting you remove my interview from download."
Is that better??? because i can see that happening.
If it means tempering some hurtful statements or
removing some swearing to prevent this, than that's
what's gonna happen.
I have always told people that it is very
advantageous to listen to the 'live' show. If people
are gonna complain and try to record it themselves,
and pass it around "underground", i have a very
simple solution - There won't be any more "live"
shows. I'll edit everything ahead, and just post the
file for download (or air the edited file). Simple solution,
no complaining, you'll never know what you missed
(or didn't miss).
I like to reward people for listening live. That's why
the show isn't a pure download. If you can not make
it at the scheduled time, i'm real sorry. But the people
that made the effort to listen at the scheduled time
get the reward, as it should be.
It's not like i'm editing the crap out this. I'm gonna
take a few "f*ck" and "sh*t" out and some real
hurtful statements. I think we can ALL get past that.
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> > The download version becomes the historical record. Some of the things he said could really tick off potential guests. I try to
> > get people on all the time, as do others. It's really hard to convice some people. It's not as easy as "Leave it as-is" (in my
> > opinion).
>
> > Al
>
> > <c...@provide.net> wrote in messagenews:1183347843.4...@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
BillPennie
Another vote for posting as-is from me. I love these shows; best thing
to happen to the hobby in recent years. If the interviews are being
edited for anything other than timing and flow though, it doesn't
ring true with the "historic record" comment, instead they are
individual's view of what should be recorded as "history". That would
be a shame.
I hope this is posted uncut as I like many others can't listen live
but d'load every show immediately it is available. Nevertheless the
shows are all always entertaining and I suspect this one would be too,
even if censored.
B
Maxprofits
>
> - Show quoted text -
As much as I would dearly love to hear the full version of this
interview, I will be more that happy download an edited version. For
us people living on the other side of the globe, listening live in
just not an option. I'm just glad that someone is doing some really
great work like this! Many thanks Clay and crew.
regards,
Dan Jones.
miracleman
> I like to reward people for listening live. If you can not make
> it at the scheduled time, i'm real sorry. But the people
> that made the effort to listen at the scheduled time
> get the reward, as it should be.
Sorry, but as much as I enjoy TOPcast, it does not take priority over
everything else in my life!
Like many of us said we COULDN'T listen 'live'.
And I just made a $200 order with Pinball Life (my first) to support
THEM for supporting YOU.
(IF they're paying you for advertising)
Oh well.
If anyone can email me the 'live' version please lmk and I will
'donate' to you accordingly.
c...@provide.net
There are NO paid advertisers associated with TOPcast.
kirb
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Another alternative- don't post the show at all.
It sucks, but you won't get any flack for edits and making it a
"bogus" show.
Kirb
kirb
> Clay, as an unbiased radio talk show host / journalist you should not
> be held liable for the ramblings of others, nor should others hold you
> accountable for what other guests have said. You are just a
> facilitator. Please post it uncensored and add a disclaimer. I don't
> see how anyone else could hold you responsible. it's journalism 101.
Ask O&A why they got bounced from XM radio for 30 days for what a
guest said. Sometimes it has nothing to do with accountability, but
more with problems with future interviews or something like that. When
you listen to the show you can see why it could really piss off future
guests.
I would like to see it posted as is, but understand why he can't.
Kirb
kirb
> I don't know about you guys, but did you automatically think of Borat when
> you were listening?
>
> I know its not politically correct to stereotype people, but I just could
> help think of Borat as I listen to the Python interview.
>
> Great stuff, I hope its ALL made available for download as I didn't get to
> hear the show from begining to end, I was coming in and out of the room when
> I could to listen.
>
> Stewie
Python is Romainian. He speaks Russian. Borat is "from" another
Russian speaking country. Borat's accent is not true to form anyway,
but he does accent the right spots to pull it off. That is why they
sound similar.
Kirb
skbrothers
>
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OK Clay I've got an idea for you on handling this thing...
First, I have no problem with you editing out the Sh*t and F*cks. I
have no problem with a little swearing, when "Appropriate" but a
constant barrage of profanity can get old quick. Keep enough in so as
to not damage Python's persona. Meaning I want to feel like it was
Python talking, if he talks like a sailor then I want to be able to
pick up on that.
Second, regarding hurtful comments. This is a touchy one, I don't
know what was said, but again, they are Python's unsolicited views.
He made them and those that he made them towards can technically
defend themselves on you program (Provided they're still alive). As a
mature adult I know there are two sides to a story and never believe
everything I'm fed by radio or TV just cause one person said it. So
Python's words are not gospel in my book. Nor would your's or anyone
else's for that matter if you were to "Slam" somebody to me in
conversation.
Anyway...how bout this idea.
You make a TOPCAST RAW cd available for those that choose to purchase
one. Include all the uneditied interviews (including Python's). This
could be a compilation made after a year's worth of shows. The
proceeds could go to charity or the pinball hall of fame. I realize
that, in most cases, what you edit out is "Dead air" and Umms and
Ohhs. So why would we want to pay for that? Not really sure at this
point other than to hear Python's interview. Even if you just made a
compilation of the edited Topcasts with the unedited Python interview
you may be able to raise a few bucks for a good cause while not making
the unedited Python interview too accessible.
I totally agree that if a guest asks you to edit something out, it is
encumbant upon you to do so. ie: the George Gomez interview.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that in my book.
Frankly, whatever you decide is fine with me. I will continue to
listen to your show and commend your efforts in doing so!
Thanks for giving us all the opportunity to even debate about how you
will present this interview. We should all take a step back and
realize that we are truly fortunate to even have the chance to hear an
interview with one of pinball's most excentric and colorful designers.
Thanks Clay!
Steve
seymour...@excite.com
>
> Another alternative- don't post the show at all.
>
> It sucks, but you won't get any flack for edits and making it a
> "bogus" show.
>
No, then you'll get flack for not posting it.
I don't mind if the stuff gets edited out if the alternate is none at
all. Since it's supposed to be an oral history of pinball, much like
you'd edit a website or book detailing same, no problem as long as the
gist is there. It's not like a news show where the edits are either
slanting the view one way or another.
I've tried to listen live but it just doesn't work out for me - I could
probably research what ports the streaming uses and open them up in my
firewall or add clay's subnet to a trusted domain, but I'm pretty lazy
and I'd only do that to start a cron job anyway to record it for later
listening.....
-scott CARGPB#29
kirb
>
> Another alternative- don't post the show at all.
>
> It sucks, but you won't get any flack for edits and making it a
> "bogus" show.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
You could hold off posting this show until after you have done the
bulk of your interviews. I wasn't suggesting never posting the show,
but to get by the problems it may cause you today may not be the same
problems as later.
Kirb
Mighty Chris
he talked about to want to come on and tell their side of the story.
If this was a David Letterman episode, they would have canceled the
next guest and let the guest keep digging himself a deeper hole. I saw
the Madonna episode live when that happened, in 1994. Just happened to
be watching that night. It has become a legend in TV interview
talkshow history--- the Madonna Episode. 373,000 views on Youtube in
12 months--- people remember it that much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRSP5ZUmxP8
If you cut out all the best stuff there's not much point to doing the
interview in the first place--- cuz its gone, and few people heard it.
Your wish that we all tune into your shows live is totally
unrealistic. It's not fair to everyone with other commitments, who
live in the wrong timezone, or who simply can't get the feed to work
to re-edit what you broadcast originally as "live".
I have a lot of respect for the work you guys put in making these
shows. But it's not the Super Bowl, and I can't schedule my life
around when the show is broadcast, particularly when the announcement
of who is on may come at the last minute.
Just post the friggin shows as-is. There's about 2,000 people in the
entire world who care anyway what some pinball guy said about some
other pinball guy. Big deal.
My opinion--- not intended to offend anyone.
Chris
Pinball Magic
:)
"llabrevlis" <llabr...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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Pinball Magic
Hell, I can get Python to do live interview since he lives about 15 minutes
away from me. I agree he is a colorful person.. I had a good time listening
to the show!
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TheKorn
@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
> Nice disclaimer on the show tonight too... Ya needed that!
(chuckles)
Yeah I kind of had to whip that one up after hearing the raw interview! We
probably should have been putting a disclaimer on all the interviews, but
didn't really NEED to...
...until now. :) Now that we have one, it'll probably run before every
interview just in case.
--
Have a home video that's trapped on your camera? Want to share it on the
web or on DVD?
09-F9-11-02-9D-74-E3-5B-D8-41-56-C5-63-56-88-C0
45-5F-E1-04-22-CA-29-C4-93-3F-95-05-2B-79-2A-B2
Sam Zehr
not be surprised by his comments, and would not hold it against you.
Python gets a special exemption.
Actually, I bet Python wuld be hugely offended if you censored him.
Sam
Boiler_81
potential guest should hold Clay accountable for the real Python.
My impression is the guy is very talented but can not deal alternative
views. These types almost always flame out due to unfaltering adherence
to their principles.
TheKorn
@registered.motzarella.org:
> Then it will effectively be censored. :(
>
> "As Is" or no cookie.
Go ahead, do your own Python interview. :)
TheKorn
news:2007070122202775249-tvsound@sbcglobalnet:
> Clay, as an unbiased radio talk show host / journalist you should not
> be held liable for the ramblings of others, nor should others hold you
> accountable for what other guests have said. You are just a
> facilitator. Please post it uncensored and add a disclaimer. I don't
> see how anyone else could hold you responsible. it's journalism 101.
I fully agree in that's the way it *should* work. People *should* be
adults, and be able to differentiate between what the interviewee says
and what the interviewer says...
...but when it comes down to brass tax, things just don't work that way.
I'm not talking about anyone in particular, but often times "adults" are
merely children who have existed for a few more trips around the sun.
It's unfortunate, but it's a reality, so as a show you have to deal with
it and try and balance the two competing agendas. (uncensored speech vs.
pissing off someone who you really want to interview)
And really, never is everybody going to be happy, no matter *where* you
draw the line. If you go the completely uncensored route, then you don't
get guest X. If you go the completely safe route, then you're really
violating the integrity of the interview.
So you have to shoot for the middle... try and leave in as much as you
can, push it a bit and walk the line without tumbling across it. It's
one of those "it *has* to be this way" scenarios.
I'm just glad Python didn't make a bomb threat against London in the
interview! :)
MarcelG
thing and then decide. If you decide to edit it, then do what you have
to do.
Now I see a reason why he doesn't do Expo seminars.. ;)
Marcel
Pinball Magic
"Boiler_81" <Boile...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Old School Al (aka Superpin Al)
> On Jul 1, 11:10 pm, "Fred Kemper" <pbgar...@davlin.net> wrote:
>
> > So, it will be censored?
> > Fred
> > TX
>
> Fred, in good mind, i can't post the interview
> as-is. there's just no way. for example, the
> part about magic-themed games, and the
> desk/chest, and the spitting, and the pants,
> aw man, i just don't think so.
>
> he basically did not want me to do this
> interview until after i read "the Fountainhead"
> book. He kept trying to end the interview.
> I was amazed i kept him on the phone as
> long as i did. The only way to do that was
> to not do things too orderly. i might be able
> to re-order the interview chronologically,
> but that may make a mess of it. frankly
> i'm not quite sure what to do.
>
>
>
> > "Al Warner" <alsarcadNOS...@bellsouth.net> wrote in messagenews:EOZhi.16649$p7....@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> > > This was like nothing that I've ever heard before, I can't imagine it will be up for D/L as-is.
>
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
C'mon Clay, you need to let the guests be themselves and stop being
Orwellian.
You could potentially LOSE guests down the line because they want to
vent in a public forum putting thier version of events/people out
there and you won't allow it unless it meets 'PG' standards. This is
worse than Candy shining a shooter rod with her tits and other antics?
(Not that I minded that btw)
Damned if you do and damned if you don't but let the interviewee speak
his mind is my feeling. It takes credibility away from TOPCast in a
big way by doing this.
Al
CornCob
> Wow. This is freaking wild. Python is seriously pulling no punches. I
> think Clay might be in over his head here!
It's to funny ;) Python really expresses his opinions in away the
others so far haven't and I like that. I hope PLD listens to it
before going live and that stuff about Mr. Stern, 3 pop bumpers, 2
flippers.. +o(
Ping
kirb
> vent in a public forum putting thier version of events/people out
> there and you won't allow it unless it meets 'PG' standards.
When would that EVER be a problem?
Kirb
angelsfan1
Shawn
Old School Al (aka Superpin Al)
There are certainly people who would object to having their interview
censored. How does that statement need expalnation?
It is a moot point anyway. I have been informed of what was cut and it
HAD to be cut as it was of no value to the history of pinball. So
while I am against censoring speech in this case it was needed.
Al
kirb
<kueste...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 10:56 am, kirb <kirbse...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > You could potentially LOSE guests down the line because they want to
> > > vent in a public forum putting thier version of events/people out
> > > there and you won't allow it unless it meets 'PG' standards.
>
> > When would that EVER be a problem?
>
> > Kirb
>
> There are certainly people who would object to having their interview
> censored. How does that statement need expalnation?
You suggested people would not do TOPcast because something they said
would be edited out. I have been talking to Clay quite a bit. Little
g's show tainted the waters and people didn't want an in-your-face
kind of thing. The problem with getting guests were not because they
thought something would be left out, but that something would be done
that would hurt their current situation. Someone like Pat has more to
lose than gain by doing a show. Python was the only one who used this
medium to vent and I highly doubt he cares what you put in or leave
out.
> It is a moot point anyway. I have been informed of what was cut and it
> HAD to be cut as it was of no value to the history of pinball. So
> while I am against censoring speech in this case it was needed.
I think I did say that in another post, but that wasn't the topic of
this one.
Kirb
Beemus
times and don't recall any "crude" comments.
Not knowing anything about Python except for what I've read and the
titles he created, I always had this view of him as this in-you-face
renegade, wannabe rock-star, f**k-the-man pin designer . Having heard
this interview it is clear that I was way off. Whether you agree with
them or not there are clear social principles, philosophies and
history behind everything he did. Truely an artist who simply used
pinball as his medium.
THANK YOU, Clay!
FWIW, If my wife can suffer through "Atlas Shrugged" I guess I should
give "The Fountainhead" a chance. ;-)
metallik
> it and try and balance the two competing agendas. (uncensored speech vs.
> pissing off someone who you really want to interview)
Censoring the download doesn't change the fact it was said, and that
plenty of people heard it. Horse's ass, shit... you know the
routine. Also, censorship just fuels the rumor mill.. "Did you
hear what he said that was edited out?? Let me tell you...!"
> And really, never is everybody going to be happy, no matter *where* you
> draw the line. If you go the completely uncensored route, then you don't
> get guest X. If you go the completely safe route, then you're really
> violating the integrity of the interview.
I'd rather lose "Guest X" than always be wondering what was edited out
of any particular transcript. If "Guest X" can't deal with what was
said, they can deal with Python themselves, or they come on the air
with a rebuttal. Or they can sulk and do neither... up to them.
> can, push it a bit and walk the line without tumbling across it. It's
> one of those "it *has* to be this way" scenarios.
Er, no... it's not. Just publish the interview verbatim, with
explicit language warnings, and go from there. If "Guest X" bails,
get "Guest Y" and "Guest Z" on instead. No shortage of personalities
in the pinball biz. Really.
twilightzonepinball
> On Jul 1, 9:31 pm, pinballzmylife <silverball...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > He seems to think that clay needs to read some book first, before he
> > continues to get the whole story.
>
> Python keeps referring to Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead. A central
> tenet of the book is "Man's ego is the fountainhead of human
> progress".
Atlas Shrugged and Fountainhead are two excellent books by Ayn Rand. I
agree whole heartedly with her philosophy and recommend everyone check
it out (objectivism) .I can't wait to hear the interview.
-Tom
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze8f4tt/tomstwilightzonepinballmachineaccessories/index.html
pinballzmylife
> Post the interview "as-is".. You already have a disclaimer in the recording
> :)
>
>
> news:1183368537....@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Yes, please post it uncensored, downloading it and listening to it in
> > my car are my only options! On our recent trip to PAGG, a 16 hour
> > trip each way, we probably listinred to 20 hours of Topcasts, really
> > made the trip bearable!! And we didn't fast forward thru the
> > commercials either ;-)))
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
You edit, You take credit, You don't, you won't.. Editing an interview
is just plain wrong in my book...
PT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fountainhead
As for the interview: Wow! That guy is a character. I'm sure the
urge to edit this interview has a lot more to do with the comments
about Pat Lawlor and Gary Stern than the F-bombs or the S-on-your-
chest-bombs.
On the other hand Python seems to like Steve Ritchie, Dennis Nordman,
Roger Sharpe and George Lucas.
Looks like the full interview is posted. Download it now while you
can...
John
> http://mysite.verizon.net/vze8f4tt/tomstwilightzonepinballmachineacce...
Pinball Magic
is edited..
"PT" <zeec...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> is just plain wrong in my book..
Look, do you think the interviews on 60 minutes,
NPR, local news, network news, or by ANY
news media is un-edited? Are you all that
ignorant to really think that?
If Mr. X says this about Mr. Z:
"Mr.Z is a distasteful guy and i don't like him,
he's scum In fact he's a low down loser dbag
and he can go f*ck himself."
And this gets edited to:"
"Mr.Z is a distasteful guy and i don't like him,
he's scum."
Have you missed what Mr.X is really saying?
was it necessary for the second sentence
to make the point? Of course not. well that's
what happened here.
Perhaps those people posting here should
LISTEN to the interview first before voicing
their goofy ideas about editing.
if you really want to listen to someone excessively
swear and excessively call other's scumbags and
losers, call me up. I'll be happy to do that for you.
If that's all it takes to entertain yourself, i suggest
renting some porn movies too. That should keep you
busy with the f-bombs for a while.
I can't express how much work this interview
was (or the other 41 shows). you have NO idea.
If 30 people spent the their additive free time doing
what i did the last week in regards to making this
FREE show happen (i.e. did something for pinball
other than something for themselves), i would be
very very surprised.
pinballzmylife
I heard the interview live, So, it doesn't really bother me, but for
the others that don't get the real thing, it's not fair.. Was a great
interview the way it was in my opinion.. He just told things how they
were.. Plain and simple.. Loved it.
Mighty Chris
you said earlier was something about editing MORE out for the version
you post for download. That's the part that wouldn't make sense to
me--- why air it one way then archive it another. Doesn't make sense
to me to exclude the large part of your audience who are unable to
listen live from hearing the "real" interview.
I know how much work editing audio and video is--- kudos to you guys
for doing it.
Chris
chuck
OMG! News is edited!?!?! say it aint so! ;-)
While others wish they could interview one real designer you have
interviewed many. keep up the great work and do what you deem best.
Its worked for you so far ;-)
miracleman
> While others wish they could interview one real designer you have
> interviewed many. keep up the great work and do what you deem best.
> Its worked for you so far ;-)
Agreed, it's your gig, Clay, do whatcha want!
BUT...if what Python said was so bad/wrong then you should have edited
it out from the start and never aired it.
seymour...@excite.com
> Atlas Shrugged and Fountainhead are two excellent books by Ayn Rand. I
> agree whole heartedly with her philosophy and recommend everyone check
> it out (objectivism) .I can't wait to hear the interview.
>
Have you read "Sewer, Gas, & Electric" by Matt Ruff? Ayn Rand (as a
portable lamp!) is a major character in the book..... one of the best 10
books I've ever read. It's funny, too.
-scott CARGPB#29
Gunstar Hero
"This interview was difficult to get, so do not miss the `live` airing
as there is no telling what Python might talk about."
So I guess we were warned not to miss the first airing! =)
I'm glad to have it in my TOPcast folder even edited, as I mentioned
before how much I'd like to hear a Python interview. And I'm sure glad
I caught the beginning.
Steve C
airing an uncensored show live may open the door to a slander lawsuit whether
the final version is edited or not.
looks like you have a real dilemna here Clay. In the case of 60 minutes and
other shows where the sound, lighting, camera, makeup, and grips are around, you
can bet they have non disclosure agreements signed (NDAs) so that they can't
reveal what was said whether it's aired or not.
we use NDAs all the time in the world of high tech not only because a vendor
doesn't want information getting to competitors, but also to protect a speaker
from a potential lawsuit if something is mistakenly revealed during a "normal"
conversation or some "additional" information was added to the discussion.
once a discussion is aired in a public setting and NDAs are not in place, anyone
can recount the story based on what they think they heard. But even still they
may face a slander accusation if their recounting of the discussion was not
viewed by all others in the same light and the recounting was deemed to be
intentionally harmful to the point of having an amount of potential damage
assigned to it. that's why NDAs are signed for just about any meeting of
importance when it comes to business activities where sensitive information
might be discussed.
now Clay isn't running a business here per se, but someone that feels wronged
could view Clay's show as being a medium for misinformation that is viewed as
being slanderous and maybe even liable.
no, I'm not a lawyer, but I've been involved with high powered legal firms quite
a bit over the years on what can and can't be said in a discussion and the
advice is to err on the side that presents the least amount of potential damage.
I know I wouldn't want someone to slander my name and reputation (I do a good
enough job on my own) to the point it could affect my income and I sure as heck
wouldn't let them get away with it. of course these things come at a price and
some just say to heck with it, but then again, there may be a greedy lawyer in
the crowd that can see a buck coming his way if he can rattle the right cages.
my .02 worth although I'd still love to hear the original taping since I
couldn't listen in on the live show.
stevebo
Steve C
comic that began doing his schtick back in the 90s. I used to listen to him on
TV when in England and it was pretty funny even then.
stevebo
On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 05:45:08 -0700, kirb <kirb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Jul 1, 11:33 pm, "Stewie Caines" <scai...@net-tech.com.au> wrote:
>> I don't know about you guys, but did you automatically think of Borat when
>> you were listening?
>>
>> I know its not politically correct to stereotype people, but I just could
>> help think of Borat as I listen to the Python interview.
>>
>> Great stuff, I hope its ALL made available for download as I didn't get to
>> hear the show from begining to end, I was coming in and out of the room when
>> I could to listen.
>>
>> Stewie
>
>Python is Romainian. He speaks Russian. Borat is "from" another
>Russian speaking country. Borat's accent is not true to form anyway,
>but he does accent the right spots to pull it off. That is why they
>sound similar.
>
>Kirb
Fred Kemper
> Fred it's just SO much more complicated an issue
> than that. Sure i don't want to edit it, but what choice
> do i have? Again i look at NPR as a good baseline.
> First, they would NEVER put someone on 'live', for
> fear what they would say (which is hard to retract).
> So all the news stuff you think is 'live' on the radio,
> really isn't.
No it isn't. This isn't "NPR" either. Furthermore,
I don't listen to the radio, nor care to. This is something
completely different, and pertains to a rather small
group of people, (pinheads).
>
> The guy swore like a sailor. I mean it's not a big deal
> to have some swearing, i have no issue with that.
> but he really said a couple things that were, umm,
> just plain crude. There's no reason for it, and taking
> it out does NOT change what he's trying to say. It
> just makes it more palletable.
I heard the show firsthand. Big deal. Changing
_anything_makes it unpalletable to me. Now, it
is "soiled", and not original, IMO. It does change
it by trying to do so.
>
> My goal is to have an oral history of pinball that
> will live in digital format for years to come. So i have
> to make sure the guests are presented in the best
> light possible. If that means taking out a couple "f*ck"
> or "sh*t" here and there and a bunch of "umms", so
> be it.
No you don't. That is the essence of the person
that was interviewed. THAT was history firsthand,
not _your_interpretation. That was real, unrehearsed.
It captured the person in a moment of time. It was
excellent "as is".
>
> The other problem is this - what if someone hears
> all the swearing, and goes back to the guest and
> complains? Then i get a call from the guest, "I am
> requesting you remove my interview from download."
> Is that better??? because i can see that happening.
> If it means tempering some hurtful statements or
> removing some swearing to prevent this, than that's
> what's gonna happen.
Maybe he/she should have *behaved*? Well, that
was no one's fault but the person being interviewed
You didn't lead them on or "make" them say anything
Changing it to suit what you think is *right* is wrong,
and misleading. Yeah, if they desire, I'd say remove it.
It says much about that person as well. The "truth" will
have already been delivered/heard anyway.
>
> I have always told people that it is very
> advantageous to listen to the 'live' show. If people
> are gonna complain and try to record it themselves,
> and pass it around "underground", i have a very
> simple solution - There won't be any more "live"
> shows. I'll edit everything ahead, and just post the
> file for download (or air the edited file). Simple solution,
> no complaining, you'll never know what you missed
> (or didn't miss).
Fine. And then the whole thing is truly bogus. Now,
it is no longer informative, but entertainment. It becomes
_your_perspective on an oral history. Not factual. We
can no longer count on what being presented is the truth....
>
> I like to reward people for listening live. That's why
> the show isn't a pure download. If you can not make
> it at the scheduled time, i'm real sorry. But the people
> that made the effort to listen at the scheduled time
> get the reward, as it should be.
As many have already stated, it is not possible for
them to do so. They will have to settle for the *Clay Version*
Why should anyone be *rewarded*? Do it or don't!
>
> It's not like i'm editing the crap out this. I'm gonna
> take a few "f*ck" and "sh*t" out and some real
> hurtful statements. I think we can ALL get past that.
Still, it's not the same. More harm than good comes
from this, because now, you can't trust ANY of the content.
How can you be sure of the context of what remains? Removing
the words is more damning than leaving them be in this case.
I just don't see a problem with it, and "rewarding" live listeners
is just a stupid concept in itself. It only breeds mistrust of the
entire program. The disclaimer made on the show was more
than adequate, and really over the top as well.....
Fred
TX
CARGPB#8
========================================
>
Fred Kemper
--
Fred
TX
CARGPB#8
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"TheKorn" <The...@TheKorn.Net> wrote
> "Fred Kemper" <pbga...@davlin.net> wrote in news:f69uar$g5g$1
> @registered.motzarella.org:
>
>> Then it will effectively be censored. :(
>>
>> "As Is" or no cookie.
>
> Go ahead, do your own Python interview. :)
Fred Kemper
"entire show" as advertised/posted.
It's "Clay's Version".
--
Fred
TX
CARGPB#8
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>
> Another alternative- don't post the show at all.
>
> It sucks, but you won't get any flack for edits and making it a
> "bogus" show.
>
> Kirb
>
Fred Kemper
for saying 'nappy headed hoes', too!
TOPCAst is that big now?!
It's just pinball.....
--
Fred
TX
CARGPB#8
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"kirb" <kirb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Ask O&A why they got bounced from XM radio for 30 days for what a
> guest said. Sometimes it has nothing to do with accountability, but
> more with problems with future interviews or something like that. When
> you listen to the show you can see why it could really piss off future
> guests.
>
> I would like to see it posted as is, but understand why he can't.
>
> Kirb
>
>