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Lloyd Olson
Jonny_eh
> Stern is doing Avatar. LTG :)
How do you know this? Great news though, a little late, but great none
the less. Are they going to use Steve Ritchies design?
jar155
> Stern is doing Avatar. LTG :)
What? Really? April Fool's Day was 8 days ago...
Really?!
brokenvette
Wonderful, now that I spent my money on a SS.
Koz Pinlicious
does it have a 3d translite like star wars and glow balls with black
light like viper night driving too?
nah, that is too obvious ;-)
Koz
MRG
It would be nice to see Steve finish his game.
Rare Hero
> Wonderful, now that I spent my money on a SS.
Enjoy it, and start saving for Xmas :)
Greg
Todd S.
Until Steve R. chimes in I won't believe it.
Todd
Lloyd Olson
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jar155
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> news:411e4ed5-4c5b-419a...@b33g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
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>
>
> > How do you know this? Great news though, a little late, but great none
> > the less. Are they going to use Steve Ritchies design?
I find this hard to believe, as I'm just barely finding out.
MRG
It would be cool if they had 3-D lenticular plastics kind of like
these
tomdotcom
Guess nobody could have predicted have much of a hit it was going to
be...
Abby Normal
> Stern is doing Avatar. LTG :)
Meh.
No interest at all.
Koz Pinlicious
good, bye bye :-)
Koz
OTTOgd
It wouldn't be late; they're supposed to make 1 or 2 more movies. I
think the next movie is a prequel.
This would be awesome news. If it's Ritchie's then I'll start saving
my pennies and collecting bottles from the neighborhood asap.
If this is a joke ... not funny.
brokenvette
Steve's not to keen on GS and has said the Avatar is dead and will
never be made. Statements like that have been known to be retracted
however. If they use his design it could be the best pin ever. It
would definitely be a bad-ass one. And since Steve R is such a cool
dood [sic] I would like to see him get back into the game.
Koz Pinlicious
Pretty sure Ritchie doesn't work at Stern anymore ;-)
-Koz
jar155
I would LOVE to Steve grit his teeth long enough to get this done
though. I know he can use the money, and I know that the hobby can
really use another one of his creations.
TheKorn
fa9fd3...@b23g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
> On Apr 9, 12:43�pm, Rare Hero <rarehero...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 9, 10:38�am, brokenvette <zr11...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Wonderful, now that I spent my money on a SS.
>>
>> Enjoy it, and start saving for Xmas :)
>
> Until Steve R. chimes in I won't believe it.
You're making the assumption that they'd use Steve's design.
--
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On Apr 9, 1:35 pm, "Lloyd Olson" <l...@ssbilliards.com> wrote:
Rare Hero
Pro: They'll have all the video and audio available to them, unlike
BDK (No Two-Face) and IM (Just trailer footage for IM2). In the right
hands, that could be an epic pin of LOTR proportions in the sense of
truly making you feel like you're part of the story and adventure...
Con: No Steve :(
Greg
brokenvette
> "Todd S." <gravita...@gmail.com> wrote in news:de3e1565-8d0c-433f-afb0-
> fa9fd3e8d...@b23g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Apr 9, 12:43 pm, Rare Hero <rarehero...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Apr 9, 10:38 am, brokenvette <zr11...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >> > Wonderful, now that I spent my money on a SS.
>
> >> Enjoy it, and start saving for Xmas :)
>
> > Until Steve R. chimes in I won't believe it.
>
> You're making the assumption that they'd use Steve's design.
>
> --
> Have a home video that's trapped on your camera? Want to share it on the
> web or on DVD?
>
> http://www.webwidevideo.com/
Would even GS be that much of a ass to fire SR, toss his design and
then turn around and have someone els do it? As cheap as he is, I
would think it would be cheaper to hire SR to do the pin or pay him
for his design. Maybe not I know nothing about the pinball biz except
they are fun to play and I have to many.
Koz Pinlicious
just ain't gonna happen...
-Koz
Brian
Should we have a contest to guess which old DE/Sega/Stern playfield
layout Stern will reuse?
My guess is SST minus the little flipper, brainbug, saucer for a scoop
and the mball shot would be a kickback.
-- Brian
ldnayman
>
> Would even GS be that much of a ass to fire SR, toss his design and
> then turn around and have someone els do it? As cheap as he is, I
> would think it would be cheaper to hire SR to do the pin or pay him
> for his design.
I think you are wrong. The cheapest option will always be to go with
his own in-house guy(s)? Guys like Steve and Pat were contractors (if
I'm not mistaken) so why would he want to spend the extra $?
Koz Pinlicious
"fun to play" is about the only thing worth reading in your post.
calling people an "ass" is pretty ignorant when you know *nothing* of
the situation you speak of...
-Koz
TheKorn
69b8c9...@z7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
> Would even GS be that much of a ass to fire SR, toss his design and
> then turn around and have someone els do it?
I wouldn't call that being an ass. Stern Pinball had the license for the
game (...or were pursing it; don't know if they actually secured it). If
SPI tossed SR's design and went another direction, no harm no foul.
Now if they *used* SR's design as a jumping-off point, yeah then you're in
seriously assified territory.
> As cheap as he is, I
> would think it would be cheaper to hire SR to do the pin or pay him
> for his design.
I don't think your math is correct.
brokenvette
Its already done and he could just buy the design from SR. The design
would be better than anyone they have in house could do and I would
think that SR could use the money.
Koz Pinlicious
you seem to post less than 10 times a month on average to this
newsgroup and you just wasted one with this worthless drivel.
pinball companies of the past *never* reused playfield designs on new
games...er...wait....?
-Koz
Koz Pinlicious
> brokenvette <zr11...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:219bdc04-33ba-42d0-b8a4-
> 69b8c917c...@z7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
how would it be assified if they obviously would have *paid* him for
the design work?
here is what I think....Stern didn't pay Steve for his Avatar design,
but if they did, then they have every right to use it. Although, Steve
selling the design artwork and cut-outs to people before the game is
even designed tells me it ain't happening.
-Koz
CEG
>
> - Show quoted text -
Are 3D glasses required to play???
Koz Pinlicious
you sure are assuming a lot of things here...
-Koz
Beemus
the speculators who just want to think out loud vs. the fanboys who
just want everyone to know that they talk to people at stern.
yawn...
brokenvette
> On Apr 9, 2:08 pm, brokenhearted <zr11...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 1:02 pm, Theron <TheK...@TheKorn.Net> wrote:
>
> > > "Todd S." <gravita...@gmail.com> wrote in news:Dee-DC-F-AFB-
> > > fa9fd3e8d...@b23g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>
> > > > On Apr 9, 12:43 pm, Rare Hero <rarehero...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> > Wonderful, now that I spent my money on a SS.
>
> > > >> Enjoy it, and start saving for Xmas :)
>
> > > > Until Steve R. chimes in I won't believe it.
>
> > > You're making the assumption that they'd use Steve's design.
>
> > > --
> > > Have a home video that's trapped on your camera? Want to share it on the
> > > web or on DVD?
>
> > >http://www.webwidevideo.com/
>
> > Would even GS be that much of a ass to fire SR, toss his design and
> > then turn around and have someone els do it? As cheap as he is, I
> > would think it would be cheaper to hire SR to do the pin or pay him
> > for his design. Maybe not I know nothing about the pinball biz except
> > they are fun to play and I have to many.
>
> "fun to play" is about the only thing worth reading in your post.
>
> calling people an "ass" is pretty ignorant when you know *nothing* of
> the situation you speak of...
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
I don't think I called him an ass. Reread the statement. I do think it
would be crappy to fire him can the project then do it again using
someone else. Not as crappy as firing him and then USING his design
but still. I also used the OUT that I know nothing about the pin biz
and I was thinking out loud. But I guess my thoughts aren't needed so
Ill keep them to myself.
Koz Pinlicious
you left it out there unless certain things happened, which I am
pretty sure it is safe to say, they won'T, hence...you did.
I do think it
> would be crappy to fire him can the project then do it again using
> someone else.
yeah, that *never* happens in business...please
Not as crappy as firing him and then USING his design
> but still.
Pretty sure not the case, but even if it was...SO WHAT?
I also used the OUT that I know nothing about the pin biz
> and I was thinking out loud. But I guess my thoughts aren't needed so
> Ill keep them to myself.
do you really believe that if someone does work while being paid by a
company, then gets fired, that the company shouldn't use that work and
is an ass if they do? That is what you said, isn't it?
-Koz
Jay Bass
Koz Pinlicious
...and the ho-hummers who have nothing constructive to offer ;-)
-Koz
Mark Clayton
-Mark
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Pindufus
>
> - Show quoted text -
Stern may not have to toss Steve's design. If he was an employee, any
design he creates while in their employ would be Stern's property. It
might be different if he was an independant contractor but if they
commissioned him to create the design, Stern may still have the rights
to it. So, it could simply be a matter of getting someone, even
Steve, to simply finish the project.
Larry
CEG
>
> - Show quoted text -
they could make the DMD/LCD monitor 3D :)
brokenvette
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> - Show quoted text -
OK, IF he was an employee and he was being paid a salary while he
designed the game then it belongs to Stern and they they have every
right to use it. If Stern was using SR designs and paid for the work,
fires SR I would say they have a right to use it but it would still be
not nice. If they fired SR designs and didn't pay for the work and use
it, well that there would be a lawsuit. But still, legal or not,
giving SR the shove off after he did the Avatar design and then going
with the game not using him is in my opinion crappy. Crappy is done
all the time in business and its legal but that doesn't make it not
crappy. But what I think means nothing to anyone but me
ldnayman
> Stern may not have to toss Steve's design. �If he was an employee, any
> design he creates while in their employ would be Stern's property.
Since everyone here knows absolutely nothing about what is fact or
not, I'll throw in my own BS-
If these designs were already Stern's property, Steve wouldn't have
been selling off the blueprints at his yard sale.
Brian
> you seem to post less than 10 times a month on average to this
> newsgroup and you just wasted one with this worthless drivel.
>
> pinball companies of the past *never* reused playfield designs on new
> games...er...wait....?
>
> -Koz
Yeah, my average of 10 posts is WAY below your "worthless drivel" post
counts. I will work harder to live up to your standards.
-- Brian
kbliznick
> http://steveritchiepinball.com/images/Avatar%20Mix_final.jpg
Looks like T2. Is that a gun on the right side?
Koz Pinlicious
please do.
-Koz
JD
>
>> http://steveritchiepinball.com/images/Avatar%20Mix_final.jpg
>
> Looks like T2. Is that a gun on the right side?
Personally I thought it looked like Spiderman.
-JD-
Brian Munn
> On Apr 9, 10:52 am, tomdotcom <tomdotco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > That's awesome too bad they couldn't have coincided it with the movie.
> > Guess nobody could have predicted have much of a hit it was going to
> > be...
>
> Pro: They'll have all the video and audio available to them, unlike
> BDK (No Two-Face) and IM (Just trailer footage for IM2). In the right
> hands, that could be an epic pin of LOTR proportions in the sense of
> truly making you feel like you're part of the story and adventure...
>
> Con: No Steve :(
>
> Greg
I thought Steve had rights or at least was owed money for work done on
Avatar to date?
Brian
Detroit Pinball
Beemus
Hey now, I fu**in inspire greatness! ;-)
Waiting for Stern to do the same for me again.
/me hugs his SM, tear ;-(
The...@thekorn.net
> On Apr 9, 2:16 pm, TheKorn <TheK...@TheKorn.Net> wrote:
>
> > Now if they *used* SR's design as a jumping-off point, yeah then you're in
> > seriously assified territory.
>
> the design work?
Sure, *if* they paid him, then yeah SPI could do whatever they like
with the design, up to and including not use it.
But if they didn't, and they then turn around and use that not-paid-
for design as a jumping off point, that's... bad.
> here is what I think....Stern didn't pay Steve for his Avatar design,
> but if they did, then they have every right to use it.
Yeah, so we agree on that, but there's a huuuuuuge "if" in the middle
of that statement.
> Although, Steve
> selling the design artwork and cut-outs to people before the game is
> even designed tells me it ain't happening.
Duh. :)
Lloyd Olson
:)
> "Beemus" <beri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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azpinlawyer
>
> - Show quoted text -
Perhaps, but I know the sitch here, and he's dead-nuts right. Ass is
accurate in this instance.
azpinlawyer
>
> - Show quoted text -
That, too, is correct.
azpinlawyer
>
> - Show quoted text -
Wait--did I misunderstand the post--I think I may have. What I meant
to say was that GS was an ass to fire Ritchie, and a complete jackoff
about the whole relationship.
Todd S.
freeman
This interest me; please tell more.
I have reached my quota of single ramp games, so I hope it has more.
azpinlawyer
I've canceled my IM order. Avatar will be my next Stern pin, unless I
find a cheap BBH or WPT in the interim.
Rare Hero
> I've canceled my IM order. Avatar will be my next Stern pin, unless I
> find a cheap BBH or WPT in the interim.
LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE, LLOYD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
Greg
mnpinball
In my Jinn voice of TOTAN "this amuses me" ;)))
Avatar doesn't have the kickass soundtrack and magnets !
Jay Bass
hahahahaha
OTTOgd
might be neat.
Lloyd Olson
:)
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homebrood
> On Apr 9, 12:47 pm, "Todd S." <gravita...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 9, 12:43 pm, Rare Hero <rarehero...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 9, 10:38 am, brokenvette <zr11...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > > Wonderful, now that I spent my money on a SS.
>
> > > Enjoy it, and start saving for Xmas :)
>
>
> > Until Steve R. chimes in I won't believe it.
>
>
> It would be cool if they had 3-D lenticular plastics kind of like
> these
>
No they have 3D Testicular Plastic instead!
:)
John
brokenvette
> I have one question, how much do I need to save for the game!
I agree. Anyone want to buy a HUO TSPP =)
MRG
$4200 plus shaker
c2
I hope you guys are just kidding. What makes anyone think current trend
will be reversed?
John Dayhuff
> On Apr 9, 12:37 pm, Jonny_eh <bizarro....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 9, 1:35 pm, "Lloyd Olson" <l...@ssbilliards.com> wrote:
>
> > > Stern is doing Avatar. LTG :)
>
> > the less. Are they going to use Steve Ritchies design?
>
> Wonderful, now that I spent my money on a SS.
Very nice.
John P. Dayhuff
Battle Creek, Mi.
269-979-3836
miracleman
> Since everyone here knows absolutely nothing about what is fact or
> not, I'll throw in my own BS-
>
> If these designs were already Stern's property, Steve wouldn't have
> been selling off the blueprints at his yard sale.
I don't think Stern cares about that.
I know they don't care about photocopies of manuals being sold.
ldnayman
If Stern owned the rights a SRP designed playfield that the were
considering releasing, I have a hunch they would care about Steve
selling the blueprints.
John
No, I have a personal flaw which is blind faith that Stern will
eventually make a game as great as LOTR or Spiderman again! It sure
would help my faith though if they release the game code as source, so
if I'm let down at least I could finish the game, but otherwise I'm
pulling for a winner!
c2
Funny. I just hope they sell a bunch of these recent games to whomever
they're making them for nowadays. Meanwhile, I'll continue to hope for
Stern to throw a bone to the collector market again one day...
brokenvette
> On Apr 9, 4:06 pm, c2 <tx_slings...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > brokenvette wrote:
> > > On Apr 9, 2:58 pm, John <john...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >> I have one question, how much do I need to save for the game!
>
> > > I agree. Anyone want to buy a HUO TSPP =)
>
> > I hope you guys are just kidding. What makes anyone think current trend
> > will be reversed?
>
skills for it. I would probably sell it if I had a buyer at a good
price but not in anticipation that Avatar will be a winner. I sold a
lot of stuff cheap in anticipation that IM would be a winner and it
didn't pay off. If they use SRs design it will be a winner and I will
not be happy because I will have blown my load prematurely .
JD
What the hell do you mean it didn't pay off? Did you get the game yet?
I wish I had your money and my brains.
-JD-
Rare Hero
> If they use SRs design it will be a winner and I will not be happy because I will have blown my load prematurely .
Hey, I love SR...but you couldn't pay me to put a '24' in my house.
Just sayin' :)
Greg
brokenvette
>
> I wish I had your money and my brains.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
I was betting that IM would be a awesome game and I sold the stuff off
to buy one and it isnt IMO. When its finished I may change my mind. I
sold a JP for $1000 which I could have gotten $1500 for. But, I only
paid $350, I sold a STTNG pf for $800 and I sold my super nice
restored AFM pf for $800. I could have gotten more but I wanted them
sold for the IM. I did win however because I bought a nice SS for
$2800.
Thats what I meant
brokenvette
I can see you not liking the theme and some of the voice calls are
annoying but I thought the gameplay was pretty good.
Andrew Barney
> Stern is doing Avatar. LTG :)
Oh no Lloyd drank Jason's Kool Aid!
Andrew
Daniel Tonks
> On Apr 9, 2:44?pm, Pindufus <larrk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Stern may not have to toss Steve's design. ?If he was an employee,
> > any design he creates while in their employ would be Stern's
> > property.
>
> Since everyone here knows absolutely nothing about what is fact or
> not, I'll throw in my own BS-
>
> If these designs were already Stern's property, Steve wouldn't have
> been selling off the blueprints at his yard sale.
OK, this may all be covered in other posts... not sure yet. However I
believe SRP currently retains most rights to their designs, but licenses
them exclusively to Stern for production. I'm only saying that because Steve
is continuing to manufacture and sell items containing those designs, and if
they were bought and paid for by another company (especially one he no
longer has a working relationship with) then I don't see how that'd be
happening.
I also seem to recall that one of Steve's things was that he was not paid
for something, and maybe that something was Avatar. Perhaps while he was
finishing up 24, GS said he'd like him to do Avatar... Steve works on it,
gets pretty far, then GS says they've decided not to build it and of course
he won't be paid for any work completed up to that point.
Just wild speculation.
- Dan
Daniel Tonks
> Stern is doing Avatar. LTG :)
So has anyone asked Steve about this thread yet?
- Dan
Daniel Tonks
>
> OK, this may all be covered in other posts... not sure yet. However I
> believe SRP currently retains most rights to their designs, but
> licenses them exclusively to Stern for production. I'm only saying
> that because Steve is continuing to manufacture and sell items
> containing those designs, and if they were bought and paid for by
> another company (especially one he no longer has a working
> relationship with) then I don't see how that'd be happening.
>
> I also seem to recall that one of Steve's things was that he was not
> paid for something, and maybe that something was Avatar. Perhaps
> while he was finishing up 24, GS said he'd like him to do Avatar...
> Steve works on it, gets pretty far, then GS says they've decided not
> to build it and of course he won't be paid for any work completed up
> to that point.
> Just wild speculation.
Responding to myself, here's a post from Steve on January 26th, this year...
Steve <kin...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Stern breached the contract by ceasing to complete all payments to me
> for the 1 year obligation we had promised each other, three months
> early.
Brian Munn
He is probably talking to his lawyer. And usually lawyers say don't
say anything.
Brian
Detroit Pinball
OTTOgd
>
> > Stern breached the contract by ceasing to complete all payments to me
> > for the 1 year obligation we had promised each other, three months
> > early.
So, Stern just has to make good on the 3 months and they're back in
business. Game on!
mattyb
Man, I hope SRP and Stern can settle their differences and work
together on this. Expectations are going to be sky high on this pin so
having Ritchie involved would be wise.
BTW, I recall Steve mentioning in another thread that his Avatar
design still needed lots of tweaking, so if it does get used, expect a
few changes.
This theme has my inner pin-fire burning again. Loved the movie. Can't
wait for Xmas!
MattyB
Brian Munn
> Man, I hope SRP and Stern can settle their differences and work
> together on this. Expectations are going to be sky high on this pin so
> having Ritchie involved would be wise.
>
>
Mine expectations would also go sky high if Steve was on it ... AND he
is given adequate budget. Remember the Doc Ock discussion.
Avatar is a killer theme but I worry about cost cutting and sparse
playfields.
Brian
Detroit Pinball
Mark Clayton
to Stern under contract, but still retains the copyright.
Since the SRP/Stern contract seems to be null and void,
SRP would retain all rights to the work done (but not
the Avatar pinball license, which Stern may or may not have)
-Mark
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Mark Clayton
After a material default, the contract is void.
-Mark
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Woz
> >http://steveritchiepinball.com/images/Avatar%20Mix_final.jpg
>
> Looks like T2. Is that a gun on the right side?
I thought that too when the Avatar pf layout pics were posted back a
while ago. Steve R. didn't think it looked like T2 so I guess we must
be wrong :)
Woz
Koz Pinlicious
I'll take all action on Steves design *not* being used.
just a hunch ;-)
-Koz
muhamma...@gmail.com
> I'll take all action on Steves design *not* being used.
>
> just a hunch ;-)
>
> -Koz
E-mail Sent
Noah Fentz
Yes.
He confirmed it will NOT be his design, if they are doing Avatar at
all. Whether they are doing it he cannot say.
OTTOgd
Bah. Well that blows.
mnpinball
Ahhhp.....Greg's Iron Man order is back on ;-)
azpinlawyer
More likely BBH, believe it or not. Fun little pin, that BBH.
machine.slave
going to be rebranded as Avatar :)