Spooky Pinball Podcast #10... Jersey Jack CHANGES PINBALL HISTORY!
djcharlie17
know that little things get me pretty damn happy.
But when I say the interview with Jersey Jack from pinballsales.com on
this months show will mark a change in pinball history, I'm
UNDERSTATING the whole situation. :-)
I know some of you are aware... some have heard rumors and
speculation... now hear it from the man himself.
Jack, I can't thank you enough for sharing this with our little
pinball podcast. I hope everyone is as excited about this as the
goofballs that put the show together are!
Happy new year everyone, and what a great year it's going to be!
Charlie
http://www.spookypinball.com
mnpinball
Awesome Chuck, Another great podcast !
-J
MrBally
We knew he's been quiet on his website (and here) for a reason. Note
he did not even deal with the Avatar LE version after getting burned
big time by the LOTR LE fiasco.
djcharlie17
do my best. :-)
Like I said... I know many of you are aware, but this makes it
official and "out there".
We are just proud to have this little slice of pinball history on the
show!
Charlie
http://www.spookypinball.com
Xamindar
is this company?
ScottinSGFNY
ScottinSGFNY
djcharlie17
Check out http://elautusa.com/ to get a bigger scope on his
businesses.
This will be a huge project, but as Jack says, they already build
bigger and more complex machines.
This isn't a fly by night type thing, or wishful thinking... it will
happen. And it's only the first in a whole new line!
Charlie
http://www.spookypinball.com
DCug4eva
Sounds awesome, can I preorder a LE sans REAL RUBIES & EMERALDS:eek:
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DCug4eva
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Xamindar
> Pinball sales is actually a small part of what Jack does.
>
> Check out http://elautusa.com/ to get a bigger scope on his
> businesses.
>
> This will be a huge project, but as Jack says, they already build
> bigger and more complex machines.
>
> This isn't a fly by night type thing, or wishful thinking... it will
> happen. And it's only the first in a whole new line!
>
> Charlie
> http://www.spookypinball.com
>
> On Jan 1, 10:56 am, Xamindar <junkxamin...@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh nice. This might be the thing that brings some new and innovative
ideas back to pinball.
djcharlie17
There is lots more to all this, but Jack was more than generous to
share the amount with us he did, and he'll release more of the details
as time goes on... maybe with us, maybe with other outlets.
Let's just say there is a WHOLE lot to look forward to with this and
all the games they will produce!
Charlie
http://www.spookypinball.com
On Jan 1, 11:11 am, mnpinball <mnpinb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What's really cool is the use of WMS and GTB parts and patents in
> these new games.
MrBally
> I won't say Crazy J is or isn't right... :-)
>
> There is lots more to all this, but Jack was more than generous to
> share the amount with us he did, and he'll release more of the details
> as time goes on... maybe with us, maybe with other outlets.
>
> Let's just say there is a WHOLE lot to look forward to with this and
> all the games they will produce!
>
>
> On Jan 1, 11:11 am, mnpinball <mnpinb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > What's really cool is the use of WMS and GTB parts and patents in
>
> - Show quoted text -
Maybe he will get King Pin done faster (don't know about cheaper
though). than it seems to be going.
DCug4eva
Protoype pics or gtfo :p Seriously though I hope the cabinet artwork
looks better than that Wiz pusher, it's fugly.
MrBally
He and Jack basically have the same pedigree with the exception that
Jack is now an OEM with Elaut USA. And they are not too far away
geographically. Maybe that's part of future announcements. You can bet
that the guys offering Stern pins for low prices won't be able to beat
Jersey Jack prices though.
I really look forward to the non-licensed pin. That will shut Gary's
pie hole.
cody chunn
-cody
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cody chunn
games!
-cody
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kmoore88
Great news. But Wiz of Oz theme does nothing for me - too bad it
can't be something more contemporary.
DCug4eva
kmoore88
Forgotto comment: Open Source code approach is great and will open up
a world of opportunities and will give the industry a much needed
boost.
Matt Elder
Absolutely great news for the world of pinball! They could do some
neat stuff with the WoO. Tme to start saving money....
Matt
Xamindar
reasonable but from the podcast it doesn't sound that way.
cody chunn
Stern, or it will be short lived.
-cody
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Lloyd Olson
from Belgium ? ) and they manage around 100 amusement parks in America and
Europe. LTG :)
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djcharlie17
not off the charts or out of line expensive either.
His focus will be on making GREAT GAMES... not just cool themes, hence
the original and licensed games. And most importantly to me is...
Jack listens... he listens to his customers, he listens to his game
designers, and he enjoys pinball as much as you and I.
Again, he'll give all the fun details when he feels time is right, and
I surely don't speak for him.
There is every reason to be excited and optimistic here folks! This
isn't an upstart hopeful company, or a MM rebuild project... it's
being done, and it's being done by the right people. :-)
Charlie
http://www.spookypinball.com
cody chunn
will be too high also.
Maybe he's just making them so he can sell them to himself to place in his
amusement locations. Then outside buyers wouldn't matter too much.
-cody
"djcharlie17" wrote in message
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Bryan
Thanks for for the Pod Cast Charie.. I sat here and listened and was
also happy on the announcement. I am sure Jack is reading these post
and scratching his head at some of the post he will read. I think its
a great title in the total picture of getting this machine out to as
many people as possible. My personal opinion is not to limit the
amount being made. In order to get product out there it has to be in
the publics hands. If you limit the amount and the fat cats are the
only buyers visibility will be limited to a segregated few. This
needs
to be big and needs to be available and sounds like your passion will
make that happen. I agree on the none licence theme and believe that
the money spent in that should be put into a public figure that back
it and is well known to the youth. Its like the the Justin Beaver
deal
being caught in the bowling alley watch bowling take off... I am
nobody in the grand scheme of things but would like to see this work
for you Jack and for us the pinball player...
Rare Hero
> My personal opinion is not to limit the
> amount being made.
It sounded like he was saying the first 1000 will be a limited Emerald
City edition...and then any more made after that would be a regular
version. That's what I took from it...
Greg
Bryan
Your right Jack said the first release was 1000 pins. My mistake
firepower
LE's" at around 29:00. So although he did get burned on the whole LOTR
LE situation, they do sell the collector quality Stern titles.
I do hope he can pull this off, and wish his company all success in 2011
creating a new line of pinball games. I have bought from Jack and would
do so again!
-Richard
On 01/01/2011 15:56, MrBally wrote:
> On Jan 1, 10:40 am, djcharlie17<djcharli...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Ok... I'm a pretty excitable guy. If you've listened to the show, you
>> know that little things get me pretty damn happy.
>>
>> But when I say the interview with Jersey Jack from pinballsales.com on
>> this months show will mark a change in pinball history, I'm
>> UNDERSTATING the whole situation. :-)
>>
>> I know some of you are aware... some have heard rumors and
>> speculation... now hear it from the man himself.
>>
>> Jack, I can't thank you enough for sharing this with our little
>> pinball podcast. I hope everyone is as excited about this as the
>> goofballs that put the show together are!
>>
>> Happy new year everyone, and what a great year it's going to be!
>>
>> Charliehttp://www.spookypinball.com
>
> We knew he's been quiet on his website (and here) for a reason. Note
> he did not even deal with the Avatar LE version after getting burned
> big time by the LOTR LE fiasco.
Lloyd Olson
GREAT with this one. LTG :)
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mnpinball
> Thank you Charlie. I like your podcasts. You really started the year off
> GREAT with this one. LTG :)
>
>
> news:744fd523-df09-4099...@d7g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Ok... I'm a pretty excitable guy. If you've listened to the show, you
> > know that little things get me pretty damn happy.
>
> > But when I say the interview with Jersey Jack from pinballsales.com on
> > this months show will mark a change in pinball history, I'm
> > UNDERSTATING the whole situation. :-)
>
> > I know some of you are aware... some have heard rumors and
> > speculation... now hear it from the man himself.
>
> > Jack, I can't thank you enough for sharing this with our little
> > pinball podcast. I hope everyone is as excited about this as the
> > goofballs that put the show together are!
>
> > Happy new year everyone, and what a great year it's going to be!
>
> > Charlie
> >http://www.spookypinball.com
Hope there is some local test locations in mind :-)
Lloyd Olson
so I'd think they'll have a test location nearer to them so they can send
their people over to check on things. LTG :)
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djcharlie17
And heck, why not SS Billiards for test? Lord knows there are enough
pinball crazy dudes up there to work it over and keep it running! ;-)
Charlie
http://www.spookypinball.com
On Jan 1, 1:49 pm, "Lloyd Olson" <l...@ssbilliards.com> wrote:
> I don't know if they plan a test program, and also they are in New Jersey,
> so I'd think they'll have a test location nearer to them so they can send
> their people over to check on things. LTG :)
>
> "mnpinball" <mnpinb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Lostlumberjacks
I for one am pretty excited. This is long overdue. A fresh look into making
pins is needed, because what's on locations now, is not working. Kids just
don't care about these things. I fear it will need to be fairly radical to
change the direction we're heading in. I just hope it's enough. And I also
hope the price point is something within reason for the general home
collector. Good luck to Jack and his investors. Todd Scott
Lloyd Olson
and you want your people to have a hands on approach.
I don't know what Jack's plans are, or if he'll even have any kind of a test
program.
If asked to help, like I have always done for pinball, I'll help in any way
I can. If asked my opinion, I'd be honest in my assessment that my business
is too far away.
When someone is running a company, I'm not going to tell them what they want
to hear, I'd tell them what they need to hear.
This isn't about me getting to test a game and having one first, this is
about the survival of pinball and a great opportunity to move forward.
LTG :)
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And heck, why not SS Billiards for test?
Charlie
http://www.spookypinball.com
pinball94
MHS
> Well 1400 miles for one thing. That's a long way to do a good job testing
> and you want your people to have a hands on approach.
>
> I don't know what Jack's plans are, or if he'll even have any kind of a test
> program.
>
> If asked to help, like I have always done for pinball, I'll help in any way
> I can. If asked my opinion, I'd be honest in my assessment that my business
> is too far away.
>
> When someone is running a company, I'm not going to tell them what they want
> to hear, I'd tell them what they need to hear.
>
> This isn't about me getting to test a game and having one first, this is
> about the survival of pinball and a great opportunity to move forward.
>
> LTG :)
>
>
> news:86a5299b-051b-4e77...@g26g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>
> And heck, why not SS Billiards for test?
>
> Charliehttp://www.spookypinball.com
Well said, Lloyd. Best of luck to Jack. If one is out on location in
Jersey, I'll be making the drive to check it out for certain.
--
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MrBally
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
I stand corrected but he never had them on his website which was most
unusual.
btrip
> Pinball sales is actually a small part of what Jack does.
>
> Check outhttp://elautusa.com/to get a bigger scope on his
> businesses.
>
> This will be a huge project, but as Jack says, they already build
> bigger and more complex machines.
>
> This isn't a fly by night type thing, or wishful thinking... it will
> happen. And it's only the first in a whole new line!
>
> Charliehttp://www.spookypinball.com
>
> On Jan 1, 10:56 am, Xamindar <junkxamin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > So....This guy is going to make "Wizard of Oz" themed machines? How big
> > is this company?
>
>
> > > Ok... I'm a pretty excitable guy. If you've listened to the show, you
> > > know that little things get me pretty damn happy.
>
> > > But when I say the interview with Jersey Jack from pinballsales.com on
> > > this months show will mark a change in pinball history, I'm
> > > UNDERSTATING the whole situation. :-)
>
> > > I know some of you are aware... some have heard rumors and
> > > speculation... now hear it from the man himself.
>
> > > Jack, I can't thank you enough for sharing this with our little
> > > pinball podcast. I hope everyone is as excited about this as the
> > > goofballs that put the show together are!
>
> > > Happy new year everyone, and what a great year it's going to be!
>
> > > Charlie
> > >http://www.spookypinball.com
Maybe if they're successful they can hire a good web developer to
revamp that hideous site..
MrBally
> I don't know if they plan a test program, and also they are in New Jersey,
> so I'd think they'll have a test location nearer to them so they can send
> their people over to check on things. LTG :)
>
>
> news:02826d55-3efd-46f6...@p1g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hope there is some local test locations in mind :-)- Hide quoted text -
>
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I was actually thinking they would be built in Chicago, where I
believe the original Parker Bohn III shuffle alleys were built.
MrBally
Otherwise Pinball Expo will be moving to Jackson, NJ so we can get a
tour of the Jersey Jack Pinball factory.
cody chunn
-cody
"MrBally" wrote in message
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Planetary Pinball
We at Planetary Pinball Supply, Inc have been and will continue to
work with Jersey Jack Pinball for parts development and manufacture
support. We will do similar with any major credible pinball machine
effort and within the boundaries of our Williams Electronic Games, Inc
replacement parts license. We look forward to supporting this effort
and leveraging our parts supply capability in support of the Wizard Of
Oz, which is indeed a great property.
David Marston
MrBally <american...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Jan 1, 2:49=A0pm, "Lloyd Olson" <l...@ssbilliards.com> wrote:
>> so I'd think they'll have a test location nearer to them so they can send
For the prototype stage, I would agree. But then, they might want to have a
second stage of testing that would be more about checking the appeal and
durability on a worldwide basis.
>> "mnpinball" <mnpinb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Hope there is some local test locations in mind :-)
>
>I was actually thinking they would be built in Chicago, where I
>believe the original Parker Bohn III shuffle alleys were built.
Yes, those shuffle alleys were built by Stern Pinball. I surmise that it
was done on a contract-manufacturing basis. But there are other Chicago
companies that do that, too.
--
................David Marston at MV
JediTurtle
wrote:
Damn this is some exciting news! Can't wait to listen to the
podcast...it's always a great listen Charlie!
I hope Jack can pull this off, and I am very excited about the
license. Timeless...awesome....a ton of possibilities. And knowing
they have the full support of the Planetary Pinball guys...this could
be BIG news. There was a certain top designer hinting at exciting
possibilities a little while back...I wonder if this is what he was
eluding to. If HE is involved with this...even better.
A very exciting time for this hobby indeed. Can't wait to see what
the future holds! This is just more proof that pinball is not
dead...far from it. God bless Stern for keeping on keeping on, but
it's great to see that even besides them there are some good people
making great strides to keeping the hobby alive. Awesome news!
Happy New Year all...we appear to be off to a wonderful start!!! :)
Best of luck to all involved!
Chris
mnpinball
Putting on my secret code reader ring for you all.
Jersey Jack pinball will have WMS parts and mechs in the games :-)
Think of the money savings in tooling and parts patents.
miracleman
> There was a certain top designer hinting at exciting
> possibilities a little while back...I wonder if this is what he was
> eluding to. If HE is involved with this...even better.
You'd THINK Pat Lawlor would be perfect for this, but since he doesn't
speak out around here too much I'm guessing Steve Ritchie.
If so I just hope he does something other than a typical fan layout.
WHOever it is PLEASE do something different!
(OBviously there will be a shaker motor for the tornado)
Taylor-VA
potential of having another player in the pinball manufacturing
business will do nothing but elevate the games being produced.
Wizard of Oz is so iconic that If done right could really change
pinball. This is a movie that was not only my mother's favorite but my
wife's and now my daughters. If it is any good I will be getting my
NIB pin after all. Very cool.
Rick Swanson
Multiball". Good luck, Jack. I'm excited for you!
Rick Swanson
(Who remembers the 1950's/60's when the WoO was an annual 3 hour TV
event that was watched by everyone. When color TVs first became
generally available the entire neighborhood would gather at the homes
of the few who owned a color TV just to watch WoO.)
mnpinball
Only in the LE first 1000 units.
MrBally
Remember, it's more than a hobby, it's a business. Pinball machines
need to go on route locations.
Matt Elder
In the interview, Jack said Joe Balcer is the one designing it.
Matt
Rare Hero
> Remember, it's more than a hobby, it's a business. Pinball machines
> need to go on route locations.
That's the interesting thing about that interview....Jack mentioned
that only redemption games make money on location right now - so, lets
say he makes a really cool and fun pinball machine with lots of
mechanical toys - how does that change the fact that pins don't make
much on location? It basically sounds like he wants to make a
Williams-era game ....but that doesn't change today's dead coin-op
game market. What about Wizard of Oz will bring people back to coin-
op pinball?
Greg
MrBally
> In article <90ea8fa0-6fc4-44aa-8a72-7ef85d721...@v17g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,
David, I didn't think they were built by Stern. I thought they were
built in an older building that was either on North, Fullerton or
Diversey in the Logan Square or Bucktown neighborhood of Chicago. I
know the old Stern/Chicago Coin/Chicago Dynamic Industries plant was
on Diversey but Since they were only made about six or seven years
ago, it had to be another building.
I recall an article in Replay or Play Meter showing the interior of
the plant with the familiar "cone top" concrete support columns that
were part of 1930-50's architecture design. Maybe I'm thinking of
something else though.
Lloyd Olson
at one point selling 1,000 new stern pins a year. Internet and home sales.
Jack I'm sure wants to make a product he can sell, because there is a lack
of things for him to sell right now.
And I would also believe he knows his customers better than anybody else.
And what they want. LTG :)
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Rare Hero
> Not all of Jack's sales are coin op. In the interview he points out he was
> at one point selling 1,000 new stern pins a year. Internet and home sales.
>
> Jack I'm sure wants to make a product he can sell, because there is a lack
> of things for him to sell right now.
>
> And I would also believe he knows his customers better than anybody else.
> And what they want. LTG :)
Well, I'm a pinball fan and home buyer, and am interested to see what
comes of all this. The theme doesn't really do anything for me on the
surface...Wiz of Oz doesn't quite conjure up ideas of a fast, intense
game....but, it has a million cool toy possibilities - tornado
spinners, a "melting" witch, a falling house, dancing munchkins,
flying monkeys....the shooter lane has GOT to be the yellow brick
road! ;) ....so, yeah - I'm just sittin' back and observing. :)
Greg
Daniel Tonks
> Ok... I'm a pretty excitable guy. If you've listened to the show, you
> know that little things get me pretty damn happy.
>
> But when I say the interview with Jersey Jack from pinballsales.com on
> this months show will mark a change in pinball history, I'm
> UNDERSTATING the whole situation. :-)
>
> I know some of you are aware... some have heard rumors and
> speculation... now hear it from the man himself.
>
> Jack, I can't thank you enough for sharing this with our little
> pinball podcast. I hope everyone is as excited about this as the
> goofballs that put the show together are!
>
> Happy new year everyone, and what a great year it's going to be!
>
> Charlie
> http://www.spookypinball.com
Well, this is interesting... though enough random hints had been dropped in
RGP that this wasn't actually a HUGE surprise. However if someone's willing
to build a well designed, feature-laden and mechanically interesting
pinball... I'm willing to buy. WOO... WOOZ... WOZ... OZ... whatever... is
*practically* a non-licensed theme at this point.
- Dan
William Brower
You had a color TV? :(...We did not have one until the 1972 olympics.
We were Poor.
As for this theme....it just blows me away at just the thought of a
Wizard of Oz pinball.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG2keYgBiZc
I might just have to step up to the plate and get me one too.
Very cool, I hope all goes well.
Bill
MrBally
Got ours just in time to see the moon landing in 1969. A Sears
Silvertone® 19" on a metal stand. It replaced the 25" Zenith B&W that
only had a VHF tuner while the color one could get UHF channels 50 &
56 which brought the total to six teevee channels not counting the one
we could get mixed with snow from 60 miles away.
William Brower
That reminds me of the old HBO trick from the 70's.
109" of 300ohm twin lead wire and a 8"x"8 piece of aluminum foil. You
would have to slide the foil up and down the wire just to think that
you saw someone's left tit....lol
Bill
mnpinball
You must have been sliding something else up and down ;-)
William Brower
I'm trying to be nice for this new year......how do I answer that
without being nice?
OK.... so you were looking through my windows?:)
Bill
djcharlie17
Joe is the designer, as Jack said. He has agreed to be on our next
podcast. :-)
Charlie
http://www.spookypinball.com
Ron Lyons
> Pinball sales is actually a small part of what Jack does.
>
> Check outhttp://elautusa.com/to get a bigger scope on his
> businesses.
>
> This will be a huge project, but as Jack says, they already build
> bigger and more complex machines.
>
> This isn't a fly by night type thing, or wishful thinking... it will
> happen. And it's only the first in a whole new line!
>
> Charliehttp://www.spookypinball.com
>
> On Jan 1, 10:56 am, Xamindar <junkxamin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > So....This guy is going to make "Wizard of Oz" themed machines? How big
> > is this company?
>
>
> > > Ok... I'm a pretty excitable guy. If you've listened to the show, you
> > > know that little things get me pretty damn happy.
>
> > > But when I say the interview with Jersey Jack from pinballsales.com on
> > > this months show will mark a change in pinball history, I'm
> > > UNDERSTATING the whole situation. :-)
>
> > > I know some of you are aware... some have heard rumors and
> > > speculation... now hear it from the man himself.
>
> > > Jack, I can't thank you enough for sharing this with our little
> > > pinball podcast. I hope everyone is as excited about this as the
> > > goofballs that put the show together are!
>
> > > Happy new year everyone, and what a great year it's going to be!
>
> > > Charlie
>
> - Show quoted text -
I commented on the other thread, then found this one.
If Jack runs Elaut, then all the questions about whether or not he can
pull this off should be put to rest. Elaut is a very big company,
wouldn't they be bigger than Stern is currently? Also I've worked on
their cranes before and they were well made.
Ron
Ron Lyons
>
> - Show quoted text -
Those Parker Bohn's were trash, whoever designed them. Betson had a
deal going with my boss where they would just ship him tons of them,
and then he would give them half of his split on them. They literally
gave them away. The things broke constantly. It was pretty simple to
fix, it mainly just needed to be reset but trying to get a location to
reset a game everytime it crashes is like pulling teeth. The best you
can do is talk the maintenance man into looking after it. After about
5 months of the things not making ANY money, we sent them all back to
Betson.
I did see something memorable once though because of them. I went in
a location, and some drunk had put his dollar bill in, then went down
to the bowling lanes and got a 15 pound ball, and rolled it down the
alley. They broke about 6 pins pulling the ball back out of it.
Unbelievable.
The game, though, WAS fun when it worked. And we had a couple
locations where it worked great and never messed up.
Steven
pinball coming up. I alway like news about new Sterns and news of a
new pinball by a new manufacturer is even better.
djcharlie17
There is a whole lot to be excited about here pinball people. As more
comes out, it will only get better.
I bet Jack's email inbox is fairly full this morning!
Charlie
http://www.spookypinball.com
Rick Swanson
>
> Got ours just in time to see the moon landing in 1969. A Sears
> Silvertone® 19" on a metal stand. It replaced the 25" Zenith B&W that
> only had a VHF tuner while the color one could get UHF channels 50 &
> 56 which brought the total to six teevee channels not counting the one
> we could get mixed with snow from 60 miles away.
In the town I grew up in, Topeka, Kansas, we had 3 channels to choose
from. Our local CBS affiliate, which ghosted something terrible in
our area, and the NBC and ABC affiliates in Kansas City, some 60 miles
away. Both of the KC stations were virtually nothing but snow. Of
course, back in those days we played outside until dark so TV wasn't
that important to us.... unless "Batman" or the "The Wild Wild West"
was about to come on. Then it was huge.
Rick Swanson
cargpb6
Ron Lyons
>
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Well, just to be complete, Jack set me straight on the Parker Bohns.
He mentioned (and I can recall now) that the problem was with Betson.
Jack's company designed the game, and then betson replaced all the
sensors on the playboard with a half assed one that didn't work
right. I can remember that there was some kind of problem involving
that, so apparently the issue was Betson's and not Jack's company's
fault. He also mentioned they have a new system to retrofit those
cabinets with new software and computers affordably. Like I mentioned
the game was really fun when it worked. He said he built 250 of them
at Stern, to show Gary that they could do contract building in their
factory.
Just wanted to reply to help set the record straight since it was
explained so nicely to me!
Ron
JeffS
Great interview starting at 35 minute mark. I enjoyed his explaining
that while it was a new venture, it involved people that have been
around for awhile. Was enthused by him saying he wants to solicit input
and that it was available from many sources. Loved that he is open to
promoting pinball in many fresh ways. Jack has been a great asset to
pinball for awhile and believe this will be a great ride. Way to go
Jack.
JeffS
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Thanks for the update. I guess it was some other thing beinng built in
Chicago but I sure though the Replay or Play Meter article showed the
shuffle bowlers being built in a multi floor building in Chicago.
Hence the support colums with the cone/funnel tops.
I played a Parker Bohn III Shuffle alley the one time I saw one. It
was in an upstairs restaurant/arcade at Disney World six years ago.
Loved it and spent several dollars playing it.
cody chunn
need to go on route locations.
But with pinballs earning 40 - 60 dollars a week, what op can afford to drop
5K on one? I still don't understand how any op can buy a new pin and not
just take a bath on it.
Lloyd said: Not all of Jack's sales are coin op. In the interview he points
out he was
at one point selling 1,000 new stern pins a year. Internet and home sales.
But most home sales aren't sustainable. The non-enthusiast will buy one, and
that's it. For a long time anyway.
I still think Jack has a built-in market of amusement locations under his
oversight or whatever, so that he will be able to basically sell games to
himself at cost then operate them with a lower need for ROI. It's the only
way I can see this pinball business model taking off.
If one of your companies builds them, and another one operates them, you cut
out a huge outlay of cash dealing with third and fourth parties. If you pick
up a few home sales or not, you're still good. No dependency on any other
entity.
The fact that he does enough else to absorb resource outlay for a pinball
machine once in a while makes it that much easier to develop them at
leisure.
The only thing that sticks for me is the 5k plus price tag. I just don't see
many selling at that price range to anyone.
All IMO.
-cody
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Steven
> many selling at that price range to anyone.
On the other hand: the Avatar LE 250 pieces sold well for above 5k.
And that's apart from the ones sold to home-owners that bought the
regular version (well, some bought both, but I imagine a lot didn't
buy the LE once they'd bought the normal one). So 1000 of a 'more
complex' pinball might not be that far fetched? I don't know if it'll
cost like 5500 or more like 9000 of course, but if it'd be a 'full'
game that satisfies most pinheads and it won't cost much more than an
Avatar LE, I think it might sell well enough.
Ron Lyons
>
> - Show quoted text -
You're correct as well. He said he built 250 at Stern, and 250 at
Chicago Gaming!
Ron
MrBally
>
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>
> That's the interesting thing about that interview....Jack mentioned
> that only redemption games make money on location right now - so, lets
> say he makes a really cool and fun pinball machine with lots of
> mechanical toys - how does that change the fact that pins don't make
> much on location? It basically sounds like he wants to make a
> Williams-era game ....but that doesn't change today's dead coin-op
> game market. What about Wizard of Oz will bring people back to coin-
> op pinball?
>
> Greg
At least you agree with me in that some will go out on route
locations. Even if that means mainly to the amusement park arcades
where Elaut USA operates games along with Alpha-BET (Alpha-Omega/Frank
Seninsky partnered with BETson/Betti Family). My son used to (in his
younger days) play those radio controlled boats and mini monster
trucks that Elaut has placed at parks around the Country.
Lloyd Olson
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RandyV
Let's face it, he's squarely targeting the high-end home market. I have no doubt he has clients who will pay that kind of coin for a new game in the house. I also believe his first run of WoO machines will sell out to those people easily because it will be the first machine from a new company and that it will be a quality game.
However, after that first game, with a strong and familiar license, will Jack be able to get repeat buyers at (what I believe) will be a much higher price point than NIB Sterns go for today?
Will the average "home arcade" buyer really want to shell out $7k-$9k (which is where I expect the price on these games to land) for a new game? I think most people struggle today with paying $5k for a NIB Stern and I don't see operators supporting this model by Jack's own admission that decent location games are pulling down less than $100/wk. Using Stern's current pricing that makes the break even over a year, which seems pretty lousy if you are trying to stay in business.
I'm excited to see what Jack produces -- I really am. He didn't get where is today by making stupid business decisions. However, I think there is going to be some major disappointment out in the general pinball population because I don't see these machines just showing up on routes for people to play and enjoy. I think the games will be expensive play-things in private homes for those who can afford them to enjoy.
Randy
Lloyd Olson
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Ron Lyons
Break even over two years, remember ops split the take in half with
the location.
Ron
CEllison
1.) Makes own pins to not only sell to the public but also to put on
his locations.
2.) He's clearly got rights to the WoO images so why not make a pin
and save money which I would have to believe that's his feelings as
well.
Duff
Never really called Gary out directly, but there is a ton between the
lines. To be a fly on the wall of the Jack/Gary sit down. I will
keep an eye on progress and might even start buying games again. What
a concept, listen to your customers. From 1000 games down to less
than 100; what an indictment of the quality STERN is currently turning
out.
Alan
RandyV
David Marston
Lloyd Olson <l...@ssbilliards.com> wrote:
>Jack I'm sure wants to make a product he can sell, because there is a lack
>of things for him to sell right now.
Lloyd, you've made this same point about 5 times in this thread. Can you
fill the gap in your line of reasoning? To start with, why wouldn't Jack
try to work with Herb's group and get some remade Gottlieb designs to
sell? Even if he had to teach them a few things about how to get a game
manufactured, that's certainly easier than arranging all the manufacturing
plus all the design and support. If you're a super-salesman and your
problem is not having enough product to sell, the absolute hardest way to
address the problem is to take on all the burdens of manufacturing!
I think you have an answer to this, BTW. I just want to see what it is.
Jason
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All good points, Randy. I think everyone is trying to keep
optimistic and since there is so much info still to come, we are all
just speculating.
But since we're speculating, your concerns are my concerns. A new
pinball manufacturer who is going to make machines which are $7000+
(which is the vibe I got from the podcast) is not going to affect the
average pinhead much. It will affect me about like the making of BBB
or Avatar LE. Oh maybe I'll see it and play one at a show or a
collector's house, but that's about it. I can't even fathom an
operator ever purchasing one for a location. So my hopes of running
into one in the wild will be about like spotting a Yeti. A color lcd
display isn't going to change that, although it WILL help. After the
initial success and sell-out of his first couple runs to frothing
collectors, Jack is going to run into the same problems Stern is: who
is buying machines besides collectors?
To me, the real revolution for pinball is to make cheaper machines.
Ops still bought pins when they could get them for $3200 delivered,
the TSPP and LOTR days. Now they are $2000 more, but guess what?
THey don't make any more money than they did before. So why would
Stern as a company be surprised that their sales numbers have
plummetted? LOL It's simple math. Pinball machine prices are not
like gasoline prices. You can't just keep raising them and expect
consumer to slowly accept it and keep buying as much as they did
before because they can't do without it. Ops can and will do without
pinball machines. Now maybe Gary is telling the truth and it's the
price of copper and plywood prices, etc. But it's all about the
price, to me. I mean, you can buy a brand new KIA for under
$10,0000. That's a freakin automobile. Think about the costs and
manufacturing that go into that. And then think about a pinball
machine: plywood, paint, pcbs, wiring, coils.
Even selling 500 WOO machines to collectors for $7000-8000 is going to
help the pinball community some, though. It will churn out FS posts
as collectors free up cash and space for their shiny new WOO's by
selling some of their other machines. But it's not going to
revolutionize pinball, as I understand it so far. It's not much
different from Gene announcing a run of Kingpins for $7500 or
something. Very little overall impact, but a very cool project.
I'm still waiting on this announcement: "Ok, here's what we're going
to do with this new machine. Set on $1 a play, but watch what the
player gets for $1. Look at this! See that? And see how the player
is hooked in? See how it will draw in people just walking by? And
it's just really fun to play. Try it! Oh, and check out the
pricetag: $3000! Ops will give this a try. They can't lose money on
it!" THAT is the announcement I'm waiting for. I really don't
care if ultra high priced pins are being made and stuffed into
basements in Beverly Hills. I want to play new pinball machines on
location again.
Maybe that'll be JJ's December 2011 announcement... :) Either way,
it'll be a really interesting project to follow, and I'm looking
forward to seeing a WOO, even if I'm still looking foward to seeing a
TRS or Tron more! ;)
Lloyd Olson
believe is internet customers, not the amusement parks, etc.
He said he sells game room equipment, and he doesn't have product to sell
like he used to.
That would be my reasoning.
As far as working with someone else, I can't speak for Jack, for myself I
can see several reasons. Which may or may not be right. Just my thoughts.
Maybe he doesn't work with someone else, that didn't go so hot with stern.
You are too dependent on them to keep producing product you can sell in the
numbers Jack wants to sell.
Second, you can't sell nostalgia. Jack doesn't want to move 20 or 50 units,
he wants to move 1,000. How many of Herb's games do you really think you'll
sell ? Not many. Plus will they be there in a year or two for support ? Jack
has always stood by what he sells. The last thing he needs is a company that
hasn't made games yet and may not be doing so later should they need
anything.
And Jack has already made the Wizard Of Oz redemption game, so he already
has manufacturing in place, why drop that and go elsewhere and start that
over ?
LTG :)
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Rare Hero
podcast....Jack claims his customers don't want Stern (specifically!)
pinball anymore. Now, this was true for a while, with CSI, NBA, 24,
and a few others underperforming....but Iron Man and Avatar have sold
quite well. They complain on the podcast that players don't want the
simplified games - but Iron Man has overwhelmingly positive reviews,
and it seems like Avatar is quite well received as well.....so - is
it REALLY that Jack's customers don't want these games, or is it that
Jack's customers have found better prices for their NIB games? The
collector types don't really need Jack's warranty as they can fix
things themselves... The non-enthusiast types who have purchased 1 or
2 machines from Jack, well - they have their 1 or 2 machines and
aren't going to keep buying more. I'm not quite sure Jack's pinball
sales woes can be 100% blamed on Stern.
Greg
chuck
You have to remember jack is a salesman ;-) He was obviously pissed
when Stern opened distribution which it needed to do to survive. I
think the funny thing is that I believe gary kept the outdated
distributor model which helped jack for a number of years. I bet the
investors were the people behind opening it up.
Yeah, sales of the recent games has actually been up and jack
obviously dislikes gary so you can do the math. The announcement would
have been much better if he had just talked about his new venture. The
diatribe about gary was unnecessary and actually took away from the
announcement IMO. Competition is always good and hopefully stern will
respond by making their pins even better.
c2
I think there are plenty of people out here who are not satisfied with
the current product (including Avatar & IM) but who don't bother saying
it much as you're quickly labeled as a Stern-basher. From the
perspective of this buyer (and quite of few friends who don't bother
posting), Jack is exactly right. I do not want, and will not pay for, a
simplified, cost-reduced machine for my house. I do acknowledge some of
them are fun location games and I'll drop quarters in them. That's what
Stern says they want me to do anyway.
-Craig
Bryan Kelly
but latest releases just don't do anything for me. While decent games
to play, they have less on them and are more cheaply made. Add to
that the higher purchase price and I'm not interested.
I'd be more interested in paying a higher price than new Stern games
if, and that's a big if, they give me something I feel is worth the
money. I'm not sure what that is yet, but hopefully what Jack comes
out with will be the ticket.
Bryan (CARGPB 14)
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On Jan 4, 12:08 pm, c2 <jcrai...@pincrush.com> wrote:
>
> I think there are plenty of people out here who are not satisfied with
> the current product (including Avatar & IM) but who don't bother saying
> it much as you're quickly labeled as a Stern-basher. From the
> perspective of this buyer (and quite of few friends who don't bother
> posting), Jack is exactly right. I do not want, and will not pay for, a
> simplified, cost-reduced machine for my house. I do acknowledge some of
> them are fun location games and I'll drop quarters in them. That's what
> Stern says they want me to do anyway.
>
> -Craig- Hide quoted text -
Lloyd Olson
reads posts here too. You don't want to get on their wrong side.
And there are a lot of people who had to have the new game and bought them
before playing them. And then when they find out it's a stinking pile of dog
poo, or a better version comes out. They aren't going to come in here and
post the game blows chunks, because then who would they sell the game to
when they unload it.
Nobody wants to spend $4K + for a game and months later try and get 2500 for
it.
For an op it's depreciation, for a collector it blows a hole in your pin
budget. LTG :)
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chuck
> Nobody wants to spend $4K + for a game and months later try and get 2500 for
> it.
The Avatar LE models sold out immediately so obviously you're
correct.
Lloyd Olson
Matt has had his BBH for sale for $3200 for a long time and it hasn't moved,
Jesse is down to $3650 for his Avatar and it's still for sale.
I don't know of anybody trying to sell a used Avatar LE yet, I hope if it
happens that the game holds value for them.
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chuck
Keep up the good work. I think your posts actually help sales =)
MrBally
Jack has heard the cries and has lowerd his prices. Avatar NIB is
$3999.00 with shipping included. Pretty good price if you ask me.
Rare Hero
> Matt has had his BBH for sale for $3200 for a long time and it hasn't moved,
> Jesse is down to $3650 for his Avatar and it's still for sale.
>
> I don't know of anybody trying to sell a used Avatar LE yet, I hope if it
> happens that the game holds value for them.
...and no one is selling Iron Man, which is a testament to how much it
rules cuz no one wants to sell it! :)
Greg
Duff
Hmm, I didn't get that. I heard his motivation was he had a demand
but nothing to sell. His customers wanted a pinball machine that was
mechanical, with good rules and features, and was fun. He never said
Stern games were not any good. He sure implied it.
Alan
cody chunn
"real" ones are out there.
Oh, and they moved to resellers immediately, but then it took a minute for
them to sell off. Not exactly Rolling Stones tickets.
:0)
-cody
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Ron - NYP
the "real" one, the L.E is the L.E, what is Stern calling the cheapo
version?
Ron
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