FS Centaur in Michigan

[Clutch]

FS Centaur in excellent condition, working. Needs 2 drop targets replaced. Cabinet, playfield, backglass all in excellent condition; very clean inside and out; looks like it was never on a route. I will work on taking some pics but in the mean time come see it if interested. Located in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Asking 3,500

[Clutch]

On Jul 23, 11:22 am, Clutch <stevethedo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> FS Centaur in excellent condition, working. Needs 2 drop targets replaced. Cabinet, playfield, backglass all in excellent condition; very clean inside and out; looks like it was never on a route. I will work on taking some pics but in the mean time come see it if interested. Located in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Asking 3,500

Contact information: stevethedomer [at] hotmail [dot] com

[Shmuel]

Is it just me..or should a $3500 centaur be in perfect working order and not require immediate repair. I'm the last one to bitch about high prices, I like it when my games increase in value... but if you're selling it as a high end game, why not do the drop target replacement?

[Pinster68]

Clutch;1974819 Wrote:
> On Jul 23, 11:22*am, Clutch <stevethedo... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>

> wrote:
> > FS Centaur in excellent condition, working. Needs 2 drop targets

> replaced.. Cabinet, playfield, backglass all in excellent condition;

> very clean inside and out; looks like it was never on a route. I will
> work on taking some pics but in the mean time come see it if interested.
> Located in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Asking 3,500
>
> Contact information: stevethedomer [at] hotmail [dot] com

Email sent.


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Pinster68
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[Clutch]

On Jul 23, 1:32 pm, Shmuel <bwaldma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is it just me..or should a $3500 centaur be in perfect working order and not require immediate repair.  I'm the last one to bitch about high prices, I like it when my games increase in value... but if you're selling it as a high end game, why not do the drop target replacement?

Valid point. I just haven't managed to order some from Pinball
Resource, and I didn't want to put generic replacements in there.

[Bob]

For $3500 you'd think they would have sprung for more playfield colors. ;)

Seriously though, $3500 for a Centaur? They made almost 4000 of them, it's not particularly rare. But hey, he's free to ask whatever and if you really want one, here it is. I don't want the price police police to get on me for noticing so pretend I didn't.

[Pinballed]

its insane is what it is. Email sent...what are you...high? Go ahead,
toss your money out the window. noobs, I tells ya.

[Pinster68]

Pinballed;1974906 Wrote:
> its insane is what it is. Email sent...what are you...high? Go ahead,
> toss your money out the window. noobs, I tells ya.

No, just effin loaded!

;-)

[mikeincali]

I thought even in this market, that's a 1500.00 max pin.

[Pinster68]

mikeincali;1974918 Wrote:

> On Jul 23, 11:51*am, Pinster68 <Carscad... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> > Pinballed;1974906 Wrote:
> >
> > > its insane is what it is. Email sent...what are you...high? Go
> ahead,
> > > toss your money out the window. noobs, I tells ya.
> >
> > No, just effin loaded!
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > --
> > Pinster68

> > This USENET post sent from *http://rgparchive.com

>
> I thought even in this market, that's a 1500.00 max pin.

Not a chance. I'll buy as many $1500 Centaurs you can find me.

[mikeincali]

Wow, I just turned down a beat up project for 800.00.

[Jazman]

I'm looking for a beat up project and $800 sounds about right. If
someone in the midwest has one, please let me know!!!

Jaz


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Jazman

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[Vintage Pinballs]

Just sold one at Allentown this spring, played 100%, not shopped
average playfield, nice backglass and average cabinet, Sold for asking
price 2K. Only sold it because I found a nicer one.

[mikeincali]

How much higher would you rate Centaur over Space Invaders? I have an
opportunity to pick up a really nice one of those fairly cheap.

[Craig]

Centaur and Space Invaders are not even in the same league.

Space Invaders is a cool looking game, but its a wide body Silverball
Mania and suffers many of the issues SBM does.

Centaur has the voice, the looks, the interesting multiball rules, etc.
Still not the best Bally of the era but MUCH better than SI.


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Craig

[Pinster68]

mikeincali;1974937 Wrote:
> On Jul 23, 12:50*pm, Vintage Pinballs <ibuypinba... (AT) gmail (DOT)
> com> wrote:
> > On Jul 23, 3:29*pm, Jazman <cartra... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm looking for a beat up project and $800 sounds about right. *If

> > > someone in the midwest has one, please let me know!!!
> >
> > > Jaz
> >
> > > --
> > > Jazman
> >
> > > --------------------------------

> > > This USENET post sent from *http://rgparchive.com

> >
> > Just sold one at Allentown this spring, played 100%, not shopped
> > average playfield, nice backglass and average cabinet, Sold for
> asking
> > price 2K. Only sold it because I found a nicer one.
>
> How much higher would you rate Centaur over Space Invaders? I have an
> opportunity to pick up a really nice one of those fairly cheap.

I've seen SIs around here (NY metro for 1000-1500), and slow to sell.


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Pinster68

[mikeincali]

I have a chance to get a nice SI with none of the usual PF wear for
750.00. I'm thinking I might go for it.

[John Dayhuff]

What do you guys consider the best Bally from that era is if its not Centaur ?


John P. Dayhuff
Battle Creek, Mi.
269-979-3836

[Pinballed]

for me its FG

[freeman]

I think EBD now,
at one time, I thought Centaur, so it is a close second.

[pinball whore]

Flash Gordon, Fathom,then Centaur I own all three this is just my opinion.

[otis]

On Jul 23, 11:22 am, Clutch <stevethedo...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> FS Centaur in excellent condition, working. Needs 2 drop targets replaced. Cabinet, playfield, backglass all in excellent condition; very clean inside and out; looks like it was never on a route. I will work on taking some pics but in the mean time come see it if interested. Located in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Asking 3,500

Fathom, Eight Ball Deluxe, and Centaur in one pile. All the other
Bally's in the other pile.

[Rob]

On Monday, July 23, 2012 5:19:14 PM UTC-4, John Dayhuff wrote:

I would say FG also. Centaur would be a close second. I would likely have Medusa, Skateball, and Paragon in my top 5 Bally's from that era.

Rob

[seymour.shabow]

John Dayhuff wrote:
> What do you guys consider the best Bally from that era is if its not Centaur ?
>
>

Eight Ball Deluxe.


I know I'm way in the minority here, but Centaur is a multiball
flail-fest. Cool sound effects, but the gameplay grows thin.

Of course, I don't care for Fathom, either. Great artwork but I really
dislike games with the reversed outlanes, they're just 'wrong'.

[seymour.shabow]

SI w/o wear is worth $750. They're slow to sell at $1000-$1500 because
they're not worth that much. I wouldn't go much over $750 for one, I've
passed on several around the $500 mark that had the usual wear.

First thing I'd do is disable that stupid BOOM-BOOM-BOOM the flippers
make every time you press them, followed closely by the annoying siren
on the single drop.

[Phil Dixon]

Now a lot of people are going to say EBD, but they are wrong. If you want drops then Fathom is better. Best player too.
I own ALL of the 1981 Bally's :o)

[Dave M]

For me, the best early 80s Bally is EBD. I love the theme, drops, and
ruleset. The pin is a fantastic one ball game.

I'd probably put Centaur next because of artwork, sound, and playfield
design and features. The multiball effect is interesting but actually
playing multiball is boring.

Fathom is third by a little with awesome art, playfield but it doesn't
click with me. The sound is awful. The multiball is better than
Centaur because of the 2x/3x playfield aspect.

I don't have much time with Skateball or FG.

Digressing, I think several classic Sterns are better than most
Bally's and include Nineball, Stargazer among them.

Dave

[Shmuel]

I have a CQ Xenon and CQ Medusa. About as good as these games can possibly get. I'm glad to see the Centaur go. I thought the price was fair... just thought for that price the little bit of work should have been done. Not a big deal though. If I had more space I would have considered. I don't mind spending a little more to own a really nice piece. I actually find the prices of these games really low when you compare to other pieces of furniture and art which you dont get nearly the level of enjoyment out of. The only thing keeping prices so low (yes they are low) is thats what the current people in this hobby can afford. I think if pinball ever gets more mainstream we can see prices double.

You can still find BBB for 15k. Makes no sense to me. Not when many other titles are getting over 12k and have far more than 200 games produced. Also many collectible titles in CQ condition are going for less than new Stern games which have not yet become collectible.

Sad to see Centaur go. I really want one... as well as Fathom and of course Flash Gordon. Actually I think I want them all. I have a serious problem. Just not any more space..for now.

Brian
Gorgar, SWEP1, RFM, BH, FH, T2, WH2O, DW, MM, BBB, Big Ben, TZ, TAF, WoZ, Xenon, Medusa

[tcvideo2001]

I thought even in this market, that's a 1500.00 max pin.

$1800 TOPS.


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tcvideo2001

[Pinballed]

it IS, but the noobs have blown the doors off pin prices over the last
year and a bit. Now nobody has any idea. People actually think these
pins are supposed to go for these prices now...I laugh. And I'm gonna
laugh all the way to the bank when I decide to get in on it and sell
my pins for overinflated prices to noobs. Why the hell not?

Anybody want an above average High Speed? Price is 3.5 grand.

[G]

I own one in the favorable pile: Centaur. Should bring between $2K-3K
depending on location and how much of a Jones someone in the area has
for the game. If we use the Allentown game as an example I don't think
that is unreasonable since there were many people who saw the game up
close. I know my game is much nicer than that one.

Fathom and EBD are games I would love to own but for the reason above
are way more than I am willing to pay. I missed the opportunity to
purchase when I got into the hobby at much lower prices but that
includes many titles. 10+ years.

Skateball, Medusa and Xenon were also mentioned. I own all 3. All
great titles but fall into the 1A pile. I still don't understand why
Skateball doesn't get move love. Fun game and rarely mentioned by the
group. If it had a sci-fi theme it probably would. My $.02.

[Pinster68]

Had an opportunity to buy a "nice" Centaur for $1000 in the fall of '09.
CPR released the repro PF (which I brought), then reached out to that
very seller and he went silent. Everybody went silent, and those that
didn't jacked their prices right up. About the same time HEP released
the ever so drool-worthy HEP Centaur gallery pics. Absolutely gorgeous
work of art, whether you like the gameplay or not.

Again, supply dried up. If you old farts with tons of inside connections
are turning them down left or right - good. for. you. The rest of the
world apparently doesn't carry your social distinction.

If I see a nice Centaur, and it's billed as "Cabinet, playfield,

backglass all in excellent condition; very clean inside and out; looks

like it was never on a route", and I've been wanting one since '09 ...
I'm going to take interest.

Will I buy? Maybe. If it's what the seller says it is why not? I could
dump 8-10 grand in a (questionable quality) Stern, or get a piece of my
childhood history with a nice classic.

So am I a noob driving prices up? Maybe. In your eyes. Been in this
crazy hobby since 2008. Still feel like a noob, so why not. Or maybe
I've just earned enough, and want it bad enough to buy it (along with
countless others on my list). And for that price, for that quality, from
the right seller might be just fine - for anybody; noob or not. No
apologies.

Demand is demand. Like it or not.

Brian


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Pinster68

[Pinballed]

ya, if you didnt feel the least bit unconfortable about it all, you
wouldnt feel the need to try and justify it.
Theres demand, and theres ignorance and impatience too. And your way
is recklessly driving up the prices. And I dont like that.

[G]

In the end the market sets the price no matter noob or ofwbp. It all
depends if you want to participate. We are also going to help him sell
it by continuing to post.

[Pinballed]

I'm gonna hammer every overpriced pin I see. I calls them as I sees
them

[Pinster68]

AAAAAH BALONEY!

CROTCHETY OLD FART.

:-p

[Shmuel]

They're not over priced if they're selling. Its a fair market. Lets see.. when I was 10 this game came out... now I finally have enough disposable income and space to own a few games. This is probably the peak though. Once we die off they will not be in as much demand anymore... but we still have a good 20 years. Tough time for the people who want to be in the hobby on the cheap.

[Pinster68]

Indeed - It is tough for everybody, except those looking to get out.

From this same perspective I respect the old-timers getting all bent on
skyrocketing prices. They recall coffee for a nickle, gas for a quarter,
and pins for cheap likewise. Times change, the hobby grows, demand
grows, and prices go up. It's just the way it is. While it's wildly
entertaining to watch some go on a price freeze crusade, it's really not
worth getting all bent out of shape.

[Craig]

Prices for this title in particular haven't changed much though. I
bought a very nice example of Centaur in 2000 for $1500.00

Take into consideration inflation, the complete devaluation of the
dollar etc, 12 years later and its a wash.

People your money is worth LESS, and it is reflected in ALL goods you
try to buy.


--
Craig

[Brian Lenker]

>
> Take into consideration inflation, the complete devaluation of the
> dollar etc, 12 years later and its a wash.
>
> People your money is worth LESS, and it is reflected in ALL goods you
> try to buy.
>
>

THANK YOU LOOSER IN CHEIF PRESIDON"T OBAMA , Keep printing Money you Socialist PIECE OF SHIT !!

105 days until we throw the Garbage out !!!

Brian Lenker
Madison Hts, MI.
586-344-0721

[seymour.shabow]

IMO Skateball doesn't make it up there because it's too rapeable with
the bonus collect.

It is a great playfield design, especially when it was Flash ;)

[Pinballed]

ya, its all Obamas fault...lol. like seriously. You could have ten
terms and not fix the economy. Its way more screwed than a four year
term can do anything about. And dont forget who fucked it up...dont
EVER forget. How America made the same mistake twice in a row astounds
me.

[Dan L.]

On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:08:24 PM UTC-7, Brian Lenker wrote:
> &gt;
> &gt; Take into consideration inflation, the complete devaluation of the
> &gt; dollar etc, 12 years later and its a wash.
> &gt;
> &gt; People your money is worth LESS, and it is reflected in ALL goods you
> &gt; try to buy.
> &gt;
> &gt;
>
> THANK YOU LOOSER IN CHEIF PRESIDON&quot;T OBAMA , Keep printing Money you Socialist PIECE OF SHIT !!

>
> 105 days until we throw the Garbage out !!!
>
> Brian Lenker
> Madison Hts, MI.
> 586-344-0721

It looks like you don't know the definition of "socialist". You must be one of those FOX news viewers.

Dan L.

[Pinballed]

ya, you'd rather have a govt that burns its economy to the ground...ok
then. be narrow minded. Hows that been workin out for ya?

[Pinster68]

Pinballed;1975449 Wrote:
> ya, you'd rather have a govt that burns its economy to the ground...ok
> then. be narrow minded. Hows that been workin out for ya?

Awe, this is great. Good 'ole Americans bitching big about the economy
.. all because of a Centaur for sale post!!! YEAH!!!!

Go ahead guys ... keep going ... I'm laughing my ass off.


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Pinster68

[John Dayhuff]

I seen this exact same Centaur in person today while at Steves ( clutch ) house and let me say that I will vouch for the game being super nice. Its by far the nicest all original Centaur I've ever seen. His price is not out of line.......HOLY CRAP thats a nice game. I didn't even want to play it, it was that nice. Good luck with the sale Steve.

[Dan Q very much]

On Jul 24, 4:49 pm, Pinballed <probass...@live.ca> wrote:
> ya, its all Obamas fault...lol. like seriously. You could have ten
> terms and not fix the economy. Its way more screwed than a four year

> term can do anything about. And dont forget who screwed it up...dont

> EVER forget. How America made the same mistake twice in a row astounds
> me.

Can you say "swift boat"?

And, no one is a bigger loser than someone who thinks "loser" is
spelled with two o's!

Besides, Mr. Magic Underwear hasn't got a chance.

[pinball whore]

On Monday, July 23, 2012 8:22:03 AM UTC-7, Clutch wrote:

DESTROY CENTAUR !!!!!!!!

[pinball whore]

On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:58:32 AM UTC-7, Pinballed wrote:
> I&#39;m gonna hammer every overpriced pin I see. I calls them as I sees
> them

Maybe you should get a better paying job or a differnt hobby.

On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:58:32 AM UTC-7, Pinballed wrote:
> I&#39;m gonna hammer every overpriced pin I see. I calls them as I sees
> them



On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:58:32 AM UTC-7, Pinballed wrote:
> I&#39;m gonna hammer every overpriced pin I see. I calls them as I sees
> them

[schudel5]

"Dan Q very much" <dqu...@new.rr.com> wrote in message
news:af30889f-8ad7-422e...@q2g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...

On Jul 24, 4:49 pm, Pinballed <probass...@live.ca> wrote:

>And, no one is a bigger loser than someone who thinks "loser" is
>spelled with two o's!

It's not??? Look at the modes for Venom on Spiderman...uh huh. YOU SNOOZE
YOU LOOSE. :-)

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Mike S.
Kalamazoo, MI
Gameroom: http://tinyurl.com/yxzavc

[G]

Scott:

that is true about Skateball. It is a fun game and probably not
deserving of being in the top tier. Still it is not a game that you
see for sale that often. Must be a lot of people like me who enjoy the
game in their collection.

[Noahpdavis]

On Jul 24, 3:01 pm, "seymour.shabow" <seymour.sha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> IMO Skateball doesn't make it up there because it's too rapeable with
> the bonus collect.
>
> It is a great playfield design, especially when it was Flash ;)

Blasphemy!!!!! You have to relight the collect by getting the 3
arrows up top, which can take several shots . . plus they're drainy.
Once you've qualified and cashed in a collect, you have to do it all
over again. I will give you the 100k at the right saucer is a bit
rapeable, but the fix there is to simply cap it at 50k in the
settings. I will also give you that layout is similar (ripped off) to
Flash . . . but much more interesting.

For me the big 3 single ball games are Frontier, Skateball and Flash
Gordon. Fathom for MB.

[Shmuel]

Hmm... Clinton's fault for giving away free houses and moving manufacturing offshore? Reagan's fault for all his gov't spending? FDR's fault for starting this whole "New Deal" in the first place? Oh wait.. you must mean GWB's fault because you hate him personally so much. Both parties fuck with the free market, and whenever that happens you get sub-optimal results and less freedom in the long run. Hey the free houses thing made people rich and the economy soared... but down the road not so much.

[Newsom]

Yes, I go for the 100k at the saucer rather than the bonus collect. Depending on the game's kickout, that shot can be quite repeatable.

[Noahpdavis]

I'm pretty sure there is a way to set it (EB's to conservative and
have it awards points?), so that the right saucer stays at 50k +
whatever you've built in bonus. I made the mistake of not setting
mine up that way a the last Rose City Showdown and realized within a
few seconds that hitting 100's was the easiest way to go. Setting it
to max at 50k opens up the rest of the game . . . and hitting a max
collect (79k x 5) is really satisfying.

[G]

Frontier and FG are terrific games, I wish I had them in my
collection.

As for the 3 arrows that is one feature I like about the game. It
might not be an A game in some eyes but close.

[Clutch]

Ok I took a few pics of it, inside and out. You be the judge. It looks
really clean to me (And I have not cleaned the interior, this is how
it was when I bought it).

http://s1067.photobucket.com/albums/u434/stevethedomer/

[Pinster68]

Consider it sold Steve. I'm all in.

Brian

[Pinster68]

Just wanted to say a public thanks to Clutch. I just received my Centaur
today and it's absolutely stunning. If it's not HUO I don't know what
is. I was afraid to touch it, much less play it.

New drop targets are in place and a replaced the ONE burnt bulb (ONE!
:-D). Aside from a chatty pop bumper it plays beautifully.

This was my grail pin and I finally found one. Thanks!