EXPO: Transformers Info?

[hugh]

Any details on the LE?

Hugh


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hugh
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[CraigC]

tilting upper playfield like a combo between the corvette LT1 ramp and
IJ's path of adventure will be behind the right ramp. Ironhide will be
in front and will look like he's shaking it. starscream will be in the
back left with some additional rules yet to be revealed.

I like the pro. Can't wait to get the LE.

-c


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CraigC

[socal_steve]

Sounds promising! Any talks of what the spinning transformer is? A
moving target or just an added spinner?

[pinball94]

Here is the only part I seen from the TF LE when I was on the tour

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-AH-Pds9rwco/TqWYOedF9VI/AAAAAAAAAoY/g5v8sV3xLKc/s912/IMAG0211.jpg


And here was a pic of them installing the decals on the Pro model

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qLX0XCS7xrM/TqWYe5Ai6wI/AAAAAAAAAok/hbpuG6GxxeI/s912/IMAG0209.jpg

[CraigC]

I believe just a spinner on the left orbit. supposedly there's some
additional secret to it.

[mummite]

The upper playfield movement sounds really cool. I can't wait to see
some pictures and more info on the LE. I also hope these game gets
some better skill shots the single pro skill shot is boring : (

Any other info released from expo?

[CraigC]

Talked to Borg for a bit and i'm excited about his game. I might have to
buy that one too ;)

not much from JJP and JP besides that they have good people and are
working on things.

-c

[socal_steve]

What's borgs next game?

[azpinlawyer]

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Played TF at Expo and really enjoyed it. Like most Stern bash toys,
though,, Optimus Prime was REALLY unreliable on every one of the TFs I
played. Some solid hits register, others don't. And invariably when
they don't, they cost you the match.....

[Rare Hero]

On Oct 24, 12:25 pm, azpinlawyer <gregda...@mail2lawyer.com> wrote:
> Played TF at Expo and really enjoyed it.  Like most Stern bash toys,
> though,, Optimus Prime was REALLY unreliable on every one of the TFs I
> played.  Some solid hits register, others don't.  And invariably when
> they don't, they cost you the match.....

I wonder if any of the games there had coil pulse set to
"HARD" ....that seems to help pretty much every Stern game play
better. Dunno why it's not the default.

Greg

[RotaryRex]

Tilting upper playfield?? Wasn't it originally promised to be a
transforming playfield? So even the LE edition of Transformers won't
have any actual transforming elements? Even happier to have decided
not to order transformers. I'll wait for another hit from Borg he's on
a roll at the moment!

[CraigC]

What did you expect? For the playfield to turn into a robot and run
around in the game? ;).

[jasonpaulbauer]

We played TF quite a bit and enjoyed it.

We have an Autobot's Edition on order, but if the LE doesnt offer much
over the Pro game play wise, we will be trading it out for the Pro.

We have the same feeling with the Tron LE, just traded ours out but
wouldnt mind picking up the Pro, but the LE wasnt worth the extra $2k...


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jasonpaulbauer

IM, SM, TSPP, BSD, JD

[Rare Hero]

On Oct 24, 1:08 pm, jasonpaulbauer <jasonpaulba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We played TF quite a bit and enjoyed it.
>
> We have an Autobot's Edition on order, but if the LE doesnt offer much
> over the Pro game play wise, we will be trading it out for the Pro.
>
> We have the same feeling with the Tron LE, just traded ours out but
> wouldnt mind picking up the Pro, but the LE wasnt worth the extra $2k...

You're right that the Tron LE gameplay is pretty much the same as the
Pro - but, money aside, I'd only want to own the LE just because the
color changing ramps are just so F-ing cool.

Transformers LE will have legitimately different gameplay due to the
upper playfield, Starscream toy, and extra controlled gate. Whether
that's better or not is up to the individual player at the end of the
day!

Greg

[jasonpaulbauer]

Rare Hero;1807355 Wrote:
> On Oct 24, 1:08*pm, jasonpaulbauer <jasonpaulba... (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> wrote:
> > We played TF quite a bit and enjoyed it.
> >
> > We have an Autobot's Edition on order, but if the LE doesnt offer
> much
> > over the Pro game play wise, we will be trading it out for the Pro.
> >
> > We have the same feeling with the Tron LE, just traded ours out but
> > wouldnt mind picking up the Pro, but the LE wasnt worth the extra
> $2k...
>
> You're right that the Tron LE gameplay is pretty much the same as the
> Pro - but, money aside, I'd only want to own the LE just because the
> color changing ramps are just so F-ing cool.
>
>

> Greg
I agree the lights a VERY cool, But are they $2000 cool?!?!?! I decided
not and let mine go already.

[treborlicec]

Rare Hero;1807355 Wrote:
> On Oct 24, 1:08*pm, jasonpaulbauer <jasonpaulba... (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

I think the extra gate will be awesome. That will allow for full orbits
from both sides and more combos. As it is in pro, only the left orbit
returns to the right side. Right orbits drop into the pops.

Kinda related: Are the new Sterns still shipping with those yellow
"Tournament" toppers?


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treborlicec

[mnpinball]

I was told a projected shipping date of Nov 11 starting.

Moving upper right field with opto sensors to complete for that mode,
similar design to Corvette by shaking it the ball will go up since the
rubber configuration is shaped like a V. Ironhide looks like he's
shaking it.

Drop target in front of multiball scoop.
Megaton in robot form with ball shooting cannon.

Starscream in back left on a motorized plate that will interact
somehow with the upper left area ramp.

[CraigC]

There are also 2 unused TF inserts that are not illuminated in the Pro.

Wondering if raising the gate would be a combo function.

-c


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CraigC

[Rare Hero]

On Oct 24, 1:17 pm, jasonpaulbauer <jasonpaulba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree the lights a VERY cool, But are they $2000 cool?!?!?!  I decided
> not and let mine go already.

Well, first off - I don't know anyone who bought a Tron LE that was
$2000 more than the Pro....but in any case...if I already had the game
- it would be too cool for me to trade down. I'd ignore the money
aspect if it was already in my possession. :)

Greg

[hugh]

mnpinball;1807368 Wrote:

> On Oct 24, 10:13*am, hugh <metah... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
> > Any details on the LE?
> >
> > Hugh
> >
> > --
> > hugh

> > This USENET post sent from *http://rgparchive.com

>
> I was told a projected shipping date of Nov 11 starting.
>
> Moving upper right field with opto sensors to complete for that mode,
> similar design to Corvette by shaking it the ball will go up since the
> rubber configuration is shaped like a V. Ironhide looks like he's
> shaking it.
>
> Drop target in front of multiball scoop.
> Megaton in robot form with ball shooting cannon.
>
> Starscream in back left on a motorized plate that will interact
> somehow with the upper left area ramp.

Thanks! I am getting excited this is my first NIB purchase!

[socal_steve]

On Oct 24, 1:29 pm, mnpinball <mnpinb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 24, 10:13 am, hugh <metah...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Any details on the LE?
>
> > Hugh
>
> > --
> > hugh
> > This USENET post sent from  http://rgparchive.com
>
> I was told a projected shipping date of Nov 11 starting.

My dealer told me they're 2 weeks behind and probably won't ship until
December. This is for the DLE. Id suspect they'd ship all LEs around
the same timeframe. Maybe not though.

[Rare Hero]

On Oct 24, 2:02 pm, socal_steve <sbrei...@charter.net> wrote:
> My dealer told me they're 2 weeks behind and probably won't ship until
> December. This is for the DLE. Id suspect they'd ship all LEs around
> the same timeframe. Maybe not though.

You gettin' one, Stevey!?

Greg

[socal_steve]

Heck yea. Decided to pull the trigger, got my deposit in on a DLE.
Wife and I both agreed that a Decepticons version is the only way to
go for personalities. This is my 5th NIB and might be my last for a
few years; so we wanted to make it special and get the DLE. I haven't
been this excited for an NIB purchase since my first, LoTR.
Ironically, both Gomez designed games...and all this time I thought
lawlor was my favorite. Lawl!

Greg if you get your LE first my wife and I better get an invite =p

[treborlicec]

Has everyone seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbRl9fY2lrk

Could that be the LE translite? Or a reject. Looks pretty cool to me.


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treborlicec

[treborlicec]

treborlicec;1807500 Wrote:
> Has everyone seen this?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbRl9fY2lrk
>
> Could that be the LE translite? Or a reject. Looks pretty cool to me.

Correction, must be an early translite since the Decepticon side is red
and the autobot side is blue. Still cool.

[cody chunn]

I think the "transforming" occurs when you select a side. The game
"transforms" (via software) to your choice.

-cody


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[Rare Hero]

On Oct 24, 6:29 pm, "cody chunn" <cchu...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I think the "transforming" occurs when you select a side. The game
> "transforms" (via software) to your choice.
>
> -cody

When I asked Gomez about the upper playfield, he wouldn't drop any
other info other than "it transforms" ...so, that has nothing to do
with sides....plus, the upper playfield is on the Autobot side of the
playfield -so, it's always gonna be an Autobot "toy". I was kinda
hoping it would flip over to reveal another playfield, like BOP...but
I don't think that's gonna happen....maybe it has some moving parts
that shift and change the layout? Ambitious dreaming? :)

Greg

[Furious RON]

So can someone tell me if that plastic thing Gomez is playing with in
the first teaser video awhile back is going to be a transforming toy on
the playfield? For some reason I always thought that was meant for
transforming Megatron from sitting position to standing postion? Now
I'm not so sure.


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Furious RON

[socal_steve]

Now that I look at that toy again, it looks like the ball locks in
ironhides cannon. So if we let my imagination run wild for a bit, I'd
guess ironhide sits on a player controlled disk or sphere and then you
launch the ball out of his cannon towards a target or targets. Maybe?

[socal_steve]

That looks more like an ironhide figure and the way he's using it
looks like he's lifting his arms up and down as if he's moving the
play field. My guess is you control ironhide with the flipper buttons.
The LE teaser info suggested it was a spherical mini play field that
was user controlled. Use your imagination from there...?

On Oct 24, 7:39 pm, Furious RON <AHydru...@MobiTV.com> wrote:

[mummite]

-->The LE teaser info suggested it was a spherical mini play field

What LE teaser video (the old one or a new one) are you talking about
and where is it mentioned about a spherical upper playfield?

[Rare Hero]

On Oct 24, 10:31 pm, mummite <mumm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> -->The LE teaser info suggested it was a spherical mini play field
>
> What LE teaser video (the old one or a new one) are you talking about
> and where is it mentioned about a spherical upper playfield?

I think he's talking about the "Chromium Cyber Sphere" ....that's
Gomez's Transformer-talk for "BALL" lol

Greg

[Gerry]

I agree with Greg about the coil pulse being set on HARD...Sega/data
East and Stern all benefit from that...they play much more solid that
way..


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Gerry

[Pinballchamp]

Dont buy it! LOL

[d rock]

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why not? think it is probably the best game they have done codewise
since spidey
derek

[Jpop]

Hi..

I think one of their FB pics has the round playfield on GG's
desk...very cool!

Jpop

[treborlicec]

Anyone who played TF at Expo notice any custom calls? Do they sound
close to the original voice of Optimus and Megatron? Is the narrative
Gomez talked about implemented at this point? Thanks.


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treborlicec

[Lloyd Olson]

That isn't saying a lot.

You buying one Derek ?

LTG :)

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[Love never dies guy]

"D,
Whats up with the scoring? Is there a seperate high score list for
Auto or Dec.? How do they make it if you hit Prime with the ball
ramp while your in Autobot mode? What's with the speed? Is it
faster
then Tron? Honestly.
Thx "

No one got back to me about the scoring. Is there seperate high
scores if your a Auto or Dec or is it all lumped together at the end
of the game. Speed? Is it faster then TRON?
Thanks for answering any of these questions.

[T-Rex]

I'm not sure about the scoring but I didn't think it was faster than
Tron.


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T-Rex

[CraigC]

there are more longer shots than tron. the LE should help with ball flow
since the right orbit wont be stopped by the gate. It seems to have a
lot more flow than tron but is more legitimately punishing. There is no
magnet to throw the ball down the outlane....just the result of bad
shooting. The ramps are supposedly changing for the LE, i hope they're
just as fun to hit. I'm liking the long right ramp.

-c


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CraigC

[d rock]

On Oct 25, 11:53 am, "Lloyd Olson" <l...@ssbilliards.com> wrote:
> That isn't saying a lot.
>
> You buying one Derek ?
>
> LTG :)
>

> "d rock" <musk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>
> news:6faa35a5-ac35-411e...@u2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > why not? think it is probably the best game they have done codewise
> > since spidey

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yeah I am getting a std le bro
derek

[Lloyd Olson]

Good to hear. Glad you can add it to your collection. LTG :)

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[SideTrackTap]

Does anyone happen to know if the date of the 28th has any significance?
On Sterns Facebook, they had a picture of the Gary addressing the expo
group and someone commented on how they can't wait for the 28th.

Anyone?

Chris


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SideTrackTap

[Lloyd Olson]

28th Anniversary of Pinball Expo. In 2012. LTG :)

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[SideTrackTap]

Ahhhh... Thanks Lloyd. Was hoping it had something to do with the LE.

[RotaryRex]

Thanks for that advice I would never have thought of that :-p
I just think it's plain stupid to make a transformers pin that doesn't
actually have any transforming elements in it.

All this talk about it transforms when you choose your side is as big
a crock of shit as GG selling a ball as a chromium sphere, seems u
can't point out blatant laziness and lack of originality here without
some people getting there panties in a twist, btw that's not aimed at
you just a generalisation here that if you knock stern your suddenly a
basher/hater, when in reality it's just disappointment being voiced.
Roll on the flaming!

[yancy]

RotaryRex;1808752 Wrote:
> I just think it's plain stupid to make a transformers pin that doesn't
> actually have any transforming elements in it.

Do you realize how expensive & difficult that would be? It's a theme,
not a literal interpretation. They made a White Water machine without
any water in it.


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yancy

[Rare Hero]

http://pinballnews.com/shows/expo2011/index3.html

Scroll down and there are Solidworks images of the Ironhide upper
playfield and the redesigned Decepticon ramp/Starscream feature.

Greg

[Furious RON]

<<Do you realize how expensive & difficult that would be?>>

I doubt it would take a rocket scientist to make a plastic toy stand up
in 3 small movements during multiball, and then collapse back down
again.

Afterall, they made an entire Pirate ship shake, rock, sink and
practically disappear into the playfield infront of your very eyes! And
that wasn't even meant to be a transformer toy.


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Furious RON

[yancy]

Furious RON;1808783 Wrote:
> I doubt it would take a rocket scientist to make a plastic toy stand up
> in 3 small movements during multiball, and then collapse back down
> again.

Agreed, but I don't think that would meet the high "transforming"
standards people seem to have. There's something very similar to what
you describe in that first TF promo video Stern released. Which I assume
we'll see in the LE.


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yancy

[MRG]

WOW
There is a lot of information given in that Talk. Hints at the LE,
date enabled QR codes, New and better clearcoats, the BUS system for
wiring - (similar to Big juciy Melons) But the biggest thing for me
is the DMD is gone in 2012 hopefully replaced by some other screen.

[Craig C]

The one thing i'm not a fan of is the changing of the right ramp. i
really like the iron hide ramp in the Pro and I hope the shot is still
the same but there's an up/down ramp going to the upper playfield.
smashing into that gate every time will not be as satisfying.

:(

-c

[mummite]

I have to admit I am impressed by the shots of the starscream and iron
hide areas of the LE. Was much more then I was expecting, real
gameplay changes for the LE! not just some lights and a single
mode.

So when do we get some real info and images of the LE in action??? I
can't wait this is what an LE should be!

What are other peoples thoughts on the two images posted from the
Gomez talk?

[treborlicec]

Color me impressed too. Also would like to see where they put that drop
target. George showed the audience, but no pic of it. Also, a little
concerned about the flow of the right ramp as mentioned before. I'm
sure George thought of everything for us. It's amazing he designed and
built these in just 3.5 months.


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treborlicec

[rly...@carolina.rr.com]

RotaryRex;1808752 Wrote:
> On Oct 25, 11:25*am, Pinballchamp <enqu... (AT) snackstop.com (DOT) au>
> wrote:
> > On Oct 25, 6:43*am, RotaryRex <jon.mar... (AT) live.co (DOT) uk>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Oct 24, 4:23*pm, CraigC <pinballamo... (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> wrote:
> >
> > > > tilting upper playfield like a combo between the corvette LT1 ramp
> and
> > > > IJ's path of adventure will be behind the right ramp. Ironhide
> will be
> > > > in front and will look like he's shaking it. starscream will be in
> the
> > > > back left with some additional rules yet to be revealed.
> >
> > > > I like the pro. Can't wait to get the LE.
> >
> > > > -c
> >
> > > > --
> > > > CraigC

> > > > This USENET post sent from *http://rgparchive.com

> >
> > > Tilting upper playfield?? Wasn't it originally promised to be a
> > > transforming playfield? So even the LE edition of Transformers
> won't
> > > have any actual transforming elements? Even happier to have decided
> > > not to order transformers. I'll wait for another hit from Borg he's
> on
> > > a roll at the moment!
> >
> > Dont buy it! LOL
>
> Thanks for that advice I would never have thought of that :-p
> I just think it's plain stupid to make a transformers pin that doesn't
> actually have any transforming elements in it.
>
> All this talk about it transforms when you choose your side is as big
> a crock of shit as GG selling a ball as a chromium sphere, seems u
> can't point out blatant laziness and lack of originality here without
> some people getting there panties in a twist, btw that's not aimed at
> you just a generalisation here that if you knock stern your suddenly a
> basher/hater, when in reality it's just disappointment being voiced.
> Roll on the flaming!

You're a pretty negative person if you don't see that this game is
pretty original. Is there another game with two sets of rules? Two
sets of callouts? Is there another game with a fucking robot that
shakes the playfield? LOL I mean what are you expecting? Did you want
the machine to turn into a car or something and drive your negative ass
to the premier of the next Transformers movie?

I think he did a fantastic job all things considered. Really creative
stuff and took a different approach, to this machine, than anybody's
ever taken to any other machine.


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RLy...@carolina.rr.com

[SideTrackTap]

I'm pretty impressed with the LE features shown at the Expo. REALLY
looking forward to some pictures of the actual machine and production
features.

I will express my concern for the right ramp too. Seems if the upper
playfield is always in play, it may affect flow of the game. But, it's
only one picture. Still to early to really tell...

Chris


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SideTrackTap

[socal_steve]

Im pretty positive every shot won't be to the mini playfields. As long
as this quote is true, "Access to the mini-playfield is controlled by
a gate at the entrance which can open to allow the ball the enter, or
stay closed to send the ball back down the right exit ramp."
Other than that there's only one more thing to say; boner boner boner!

On Oct 26, 7:24 pm, SideTrackTap <Ch...@Sebok.net> wrote:
> I'm pretty impressed with the LE features shown at theExpo. REALLY

[T-Rex]

treborlicec;1808991 Wrote:
> Color me impressed too. Also would like to see where they put that drop
> target. George showed the audience, but no pic of it. Also, a little
> concerned about the flow of the right ramp as mentioned before. I'm
> sure George thought of everything for us. It's amazing he designed and
> built these in just 3.5 months.

The drop target is going in front of the megatron ball lock


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T-Rex

[mummite]

Is the megatron toy on-top of the scoop also animating still? I
remember that from the LE list.

Man looking at these images and all the things in the LE version
really has me excited for this game. I was under the impression that
the starscream shot was just going to be a stand up target and a toy.
I was very happy to see that it rotates and has some cool
functionality. Iron hide 2nd playfield also looks super fun! I can't
wait to play it and see it in all it's glory!

[rly...@carolina.rr.com]

As I understand it (somebody tell me if I'm wrong) on the Pro, Megatron
is a vehicle, and sits above the scoop. On the LE, Megatron is a robot,
stands on the scoop, and somehow shoots the balls out himself. I.E. the
balls come out of Megatron's cannon.


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RLy...@carolina.rr.com

[Rare Hero]

On Oct 26, 9:44 pm, RLyo...@carolina.rr.com <rlyo...@carolina.rr.com>
wrote:

> As I understand it (somebody tell me if I'm wrong) on the Pro, Megatron
> is a vehicle, and sits above the scoop.  On the LE, Megatron is a robot,
> stands on the scoop, and somehow shoots the balls out himself.  I.E. the
> balls come out of Megatron's cannon.

I don't think the balls come out of the cannon...I think the cannon is
just on a coil and rapid fire "animates" as the balls shoot out of the
scoop.

Greg