Mr. Pinball Australia aka Wayne sells out to Bay Area....
asiapinball
Check out the whois for www.pinball.com, now owned by Bay Area. It has
been reported that a deposit has been received and Wayne is selling his
Williams/Bally rights to BAA.
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Don H.
revive Crock Pincher???
- Don
In article <asiapinba...@gmail.com>, asiapinball
GPE
news:asiapinba...@gmail.com...
... interesting.
Ed
TheKorn
@gmail.com:
> Check out the whois for www.pinball.com, now owned by Bay Area. It has
> been reported that a deposit has been received and Wayne is selling his
> Williams/Bally rights to BAA.
Maybe, or he may have simply sold the domain pinball.com to Rick.
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wrote:
>Hey Rick, when do you expect MM to be released??? Are you going to
>revive Crock Pincher???
>
>- Don
>
>
>In article <asiapinba...@gmail.com>, asiapinball
><asiap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>Check out the whois for www.pinball.com, now owned by Bay Area. It has
>been
>> reported that a deposit has been received and Wayne is selling
>> his
>Williams/Bally rights to BAA.
Don you are soooo DUMB!!!
Its c*ck puncher!!! Duhhhhhhhhh!
LOL!
Eric A.
313-268-0541
asiapinball
It has been confirmed. Wayne has agreed to sell the Williams/Bally
rights to BAA. Wayne is staying in business selling parts and used
machines like he was doing before he purchased the rights. WMS have to
approve of the rights transfer.
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Kyle Wren
Since you can't build MM machines without rights does that mean that Rick is
inheriting that debacle? Or is Wayne finally going to admit that it's over and
refund the folks that never had the sense to ask for it before now?
>Check out the whois for www.pinball.com, now owned by Bay Area. It has
>been reported that a deposit has been received and Wayne is selling his
>Williams/Bally rights to BAA.
>
>
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Jazman
It is highly unlikely that he is selling the B/W rights. B/W still owns
the rights and just licenses them to IPB and Wayno. The rights are
typically written into the contract as non-transferable. But, he could
always ask for B/W permission to sell I guess.
It is more likely that he sold the website pinball.com to Rick and
possibly the distribution side.
If this is true, then good on 'ya Rick. Congrats!
Jaz
TheKorn;1534966 Wrote:
> asiapinball <asiapinball (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in
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>
>Check out the whois for www.pinball.com, now owned by Bay Area. It has
>been reported that a deposit has been received and Wayne is selling his
>Williams/Bally rights to BAA.
[Insert Michael Jackson eating popcorn gif here.]
Richard
machine.slave
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In article <i8n4j...@drn.newsguy.com>, kylewr...@cinci.rrOUT.com
says...
bwodie
> "asiapinball" <asiapinb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:asiapinba...@gmail.com...
>
>
>
> > Check out the whois forwww.pinball.com, now owned by Bay Area. It has
> > been reported that a deposit has been received and Wayne is selling his
> > Williams/Bally rights to BAA.
>
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> ... interesting.
>
> Ed
I dont think he has sold the full w\b rights, he has just sold the
parts section of his company
Beemus
submit a Help Desk ticket?"
:p
brainsnap
>
> >Check out the whois forwww.pinball.com, now owned by Bay Area. It has
> >been reported that a deposit has been received and Wayne is selling his
> >Williams/Bally rights to BAA.
Maybe Rick can come on and tell us whats happening?
Arizona Bruce
contracts and liabilities as well...
Arizona Bruce
AZB
Lloyd Olson
"Beemus" <beri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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jamieflowers
> Hey Rick, when do you expect MM to be released??? Are you going to
> revive Crock Pincher???
>
> - Don
>
>
> <asiapinb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Check out the whois forwww.pinball.com, now owned by Bay Area. It has
> been> reported that a deposit has been received and Wayne is selling
> > his
>
> Williams/Bally rights to BAA.
>
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>
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Very interesting indeed
brainsnap
Any clarification would be appreciated.
JeffS
> Check out the whois forwww.pinball.com, now owned by Bay Area. It has
I don't see anything mentioned on either site. How about a better
link?
JeffS
ATL
machine.slave
apimo...@yahoo.com
beaver
Interesting that WMS has to approve. If they don't, and Wayne walks
away and stops paying the royalties, it implies to me that he can be
sued for them. I am scratching my head at that.
Edward_Cheung CARGPB26
Jazman
> asiapinball <asiapinb...@gmail.com> wrote in news:asiapinball.4ihvm0
> @gmail.com:
>
> > Check out the whois forwww.pinball.com, now owned by Bay Area. It has
> > been reported that a deposit has been received and Wayne is selling his
> > Williams/Bally rights to BAA.
>
> Maybe, or he may have simply sold the domain pinball.com to Rick.
>
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It is highly unlikely that he could/would sell the B/W rights to
anyone. Remember, B/W still OWNS the rights and they just license
them to IPB and Wayno. Usually, those rights are non-transferable.
But, he could be selling the pinball.com name and website, along with
the distribution side to Rick. Personally, I give Rick alot of credit
if he managed that!
Jaz
Lloyd Olson
success ! LTG :)
"Jazman" <cart...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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ldnayman
years and earned our trust and the benefit of the doubt, right?
kbliznick
> Well, Asianpinball is a rock solid source who has been around here for
> years and earned our trust and the benefit of the doubt, right?
Well regardless of who asiapinball is, this site does indicate that
Rick is now the owner of pinball.com
Kyle Wren
brainsnap says...
>
>
>>
>> >Check out the whois forwww.pinball.com, now owned by Bay Area. =A0It has
>> >been reported that a deposit has been received and Wayne is selling his
>> >Williams/Bally rights to BAA.
>
>
>Maybe Rick can come on and tell us whats happening?
For all intensive purposes since the domain has already transferred into Rick's
hands, and said web site still has the MM order form on it, he essentially has
inherited that part of the debacle. We can only hope when he does come here he
doesn't announce they are taking pre-order deposits again. :-)
so
Ok, today's not April 1st.......
metallik
> Wow, what a development!
>
> Interesting that WMS has to approve. If they don't, and Wayne walks
> away and stops paying the royalties, it implies to me that he can be
> sued for them. I am scratching my head at that.
They may simply be researching/approving BAA as the recipient of the
rights.
Aeneas - www.flippers.be
> Check out the whois forwww.pinball.com, now owned by Bay Area. It has
> been reported that a deposit has been received and Wayne is selling his
> Williams/Bally rights to BAA.
>
> asiapinball
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ah so some rumors that were going around last month seem to be true ?
interesting :)
ciao,
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metallik
>
> For all intensive purposes
AAUUUGGHH!
;)
Mike Berg
has been reported that a deposit has been paid and Wayne is selling
brokenvette
> In article <29e1ab0b-a72b-4295-aad0-b0a9d15c6...@t5g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
I hope they do as Rick will make them but Wayno wont.
someotherguy
wrote:
Neither site was intended to provide info about the subject. They are links to
the thread and poster's profile on a website.
Do a whois lookup on pinball.com, like the first sentence of his post says.
Richard
Rick Swanson
> Check out the whois forwww.pinball.com, now owned by Bay Area. It has
> been reported that a deposit has been received and Wayne is selling his
> Williams/Bally rights to BAA.
>
Well, if true... there will be plenty to gossip about at the upcoming
Expo. Some, if not most, of BAA's direct competitors are supplied by
Wayne. Such a buyout could create some instability in the forces
holding the pinball universe together.
Rick Swanson
cargpb6
Kerry Imming
>>
> > For all intensive purposes
Hopefully taken as constructive:
=> intents and purposes
- Kerry
Josh A.
> Well, if true... there will be plenty to gossip about at the upcoming
> Expo. Some, if not most, of BAA's direct competitors are supplied by
> Wayne. Such a buyout could create some instability in the forces
> holding the pinball universe together.
I open the floor to hearsay and innuendo. Would the RGP
representative from the great state of Tennessee care to get the ball
rolling?
Rare Hero
> Well, if true... there will be plenty to gossip about at the upcoming
> Expo. Some, if not most, of BAA's direct competitors are supplied by
> Wayne. Such a buyout could create some instability in the forces
> holding the pinball universe together.
That's something interesting I hadn't considered....but ya know, if
this is true, I think it's great. To put it simply - we all think
Wayne's an asshole, and I'm pretty sure most of us like Rick and BAA.
I do, anyway!
Greg
kbliznick
> I open the floor to hearsay and innuendo. Would the RGP
> representative from the great state of Tennessee care to get the ball
> rolling?
Here is Ricks list of plans once he get's B/W rights.
1. BAA will roll out a line of Classic B/W games starting with TAF.
(since most parts are already reproed). BAA will handle enigneering
and parts while Stern will be subcontracted for assembly (plus all the
parts manufacturers are still located in the area so this makes more
sense as it reduces shipping costs.)
2. All artwork, roms, manuals will be posted for free download.
decals, playfields, backglasses, cab art.
3. WPC coding will be made opensource to facilitate software fixes
rewrites to turn some dud games into gems.
4. Several titles with terrible backglass art with have new artwork
released (Shadow, Demolition Man, Flintstones).
5. Pinball Circus will be produced as a limited edition game.
6. Popeye will be re-engineered and they will get rid of the
environmental theme and make it into the truly awesome game it could
be, with Popeye and Bluto beating the crap out of each other. Top PF
will be removed and ramps and other items added.
Deadly
Gillard would spend so much money only to turn around and play the "My
toys and I'm going home" game?
Needless to say I haven't been around RGP near as long as most of your
guys but I have spent countless hours reading the archives. Wayne used
to be considered a demi god. Everyone cheered his name and welcomed
him like a hero. My how the mighty have fallen.
I see no reason why the aformetioned couldn;t be true. If it is,
pinball as we know it can only get better. You don;t see Williams
stepping in and trying to bitch slap anyone do you? All I can ask is
please Wayne ..... if you have ever cared about pinball or to this day
do in the slightest bit please bow out gracefully.
Chris
so
I think you're putting us on.
Lloyd Olson
Williams closed. Sold license rights to Gene. Took awhile but Gene was
hated. Then Wayne bought license rights. People worshipped the new savior.
Then Wayne was hated while Gene did make BBB's. both Gene and Wayne made
parts. LTG :)
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firepower
It's a great rumor anyway, and I for one hope it's true.
A transfer of B/W license would be the best thing that's happened in years.
-Richard
Jazman
True. Almost all of this is rumor and innuendo. About the only known,
provable fact here is that Rick is the registered owner of pinball.com
as of October 7th, 2010.
Jaz
firepower;1535514 Wrote:
> More like "...please sell out gracefully".
> It's a great rumor anyway, and I for one hope it's true.
>
> A transfer of B/W license would be the best thing that's happened in
> years.
>
> -Richard
>
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mike in p-hill
Kyle Wren
metallik says...
Sorry Larry. I meant to say, "to all intents and purposes". :-)
HAPPY NOW! :-)
Kyle Wren
brokenvette says...
>
>On Oct 8, 2:11=A0pm, Kyle Wren <kylewrenT...@cinci.rrOUT.com> wrote:
>> In article <29e1ab0b-a72b-4295-aad0-b0a9d15c6...@t5g2000prd.googlegroups.=
>com>,
>> brainsnap says...
>>
>>
>>
>> >> >Check out the whois forwww.pinball.com, now owned by Bay Area. =3DA0I=
>t has
>> >> >been reported that a deposit has been received and Wayne is selling h=
>is
>> >> >Williams/Bally rights to BAA.
>>
>> >Maybe Rick can come on and tell us whats happening?
>>
>Rick's
>> hands, and said web site still has the MM order form on it, he essentiall=
>y has
>> inherited that part of the debacle. We can only hope when he does come he=
>re he
>> doesn't announce they are taking pre-order deposits again. :-)
>>
>> --
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>
>I hope they do as Rick will make them but Wayno wont.
These games will never happen. WMS made sure of it when they spread the rights
amongst multiple parties that will never get along and collaborate to build
them. If it were profitable to build them WMS would still be doing it today.
Every MM game that will ever exist did so in 1999, there will never be any more.
Unless the economy improves to where large numbers of people will willingly pay
about 8k for one...
Kyle Wren
>
>Short version.
>
>Williams closed. Sold license rights to Gene. Took awhile but Gene was
>hated. Then Wayne bought license rights. People worshipped the new savior.
>Then Wayne was hated while Gene did make BBB's. both Gene and Wayne made
>parts. LTG :)
Let me be the first to predict that history will repeat itself again with the
new owner. It's inevitable. The people here either want the rights holder to
make every single part ever designed for a pinball machine at a cheap price, or
they want them to look the other way when others infringe on their rights.
Neither is going to happen. Our savior still has not arrived. But then Rick
can't be worse than Wayne, but never say never...
spike
> holding the pinball universe together.
>
> Rick Swanson
Perhaps it will create a wormhole in the fabric of the pinverse that
we could use to travel back in time.
We could purchase a NIB Medieval Madness at a 'close-out' price and
bring it back with us ;-)
Or two Big Bang Bars, and sell one to pay for the other, like that guy
did when they came out.
Or a <insert dream pinball game here>
Spike
Nottingham, England
KenH
Oh man, my mouth just started watering...
Rick Swanson
>
> I open the floor to hearsay and innuendo. Would the RGP
> representative from the great state of Tennessee care to get the ball
> rolling?
OK, I'll start.
I have it from a very peachable and underinformed source that Wayne is
going to buy Stern however the U.S. Department of Justice has
threatened an anti-trust action against Wayne if he tries to corner
the pinball market in the U.S. by simultaneously owning both Stern and
the Bally/Williams rights. They don't want Wayne to be the next "Ma
Bell" nor do they want Wayne's empire to be the next "too big to fail"
headache for the current administration. So, Wayne is dumping B/W, at
least for the short term, but what the buyer doesn't know is that
Wayne has struck a deal with the B/W parts manufacturers to
intentionally place toxic substances in their B/W parts so that after
an interval of time the EPA will demand that all B/W machines be
surrendered for destruction thus leaving only Stern machines to be
played. You have to give Wayne credit... it's a sound business
plan. ;-)
Rick Swanson
cargpb6
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manufactured goods are GARBAGE. Upstart commies are not concerned with
quality or safety. Nothing should be exported from china.
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"Mike" <supe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "The people here either want the rights holder to
> make every single part ever designed for a pinball machine at a cheap
> price, or
> they want them to look the other way when others infringe on their
> rights. "
>
> Too bad we can't have a bunch of kids in China just build the parts we
> need. Seems good enough for every other sector of the economy.
Pindufus
> Does anyone even care anymore?
>
> --
> -cody
> --
>
>
> news:c6381dde-5c4a-4475...@x7g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Do a whois for the domainwww.pinball.com...BayArea now owns it. It
> > has been reported that a deposit has been paid and Wayne is selling
>
> - Show quoted text -
I'm pretty sure it's true. Plus, Wayne will become a missionary in
New Guinea converting cannibalistic pygmies that worship komodo dragon
lizards and drive Deloriens.
falconfixer
> All the pinball lamps are already there...and they are GARBAGE. Chinese
> manufactured goods are GARBAGE. Upstart commies are not concerned with
> quality or safety. Nothing should be exported from china.
>
> --
> -cody
> --
>
>
> news:acedb73e-1694-4f5c...@c10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > "The people here either want the rights holder to
> > make every single part ever designed for a pinball machine at a cheap
> > price, or
> > they want them to look the other way when others infringe on their
> > rights. "
>
> > Too bad we can't have a bunch of kids in China just build the parts we
>
> - Show quoted text -
But I have to have my General Tso's Chicken!
Dave
Josh A.
> I'm pretty sure it's true. Plus, Wayne will become a missionary in
> New Guinea converting cannibalistic pygmies that worship komodo
> dragon lizards and drive Deloriens.
And to think that I saw it on Mulberry Street.
MRWEELR
always been at the top of my vendor list. Looks like the domain name
has been transferred and it will be interesting to see how this
develops. If this rumor is true, congratulations Rick!
-Jeremy
chuck
Rick, I'm with you!! Why wait for the truth to come out when all
sorts of rumors and false assumptions can be made by everyone here.
Rumors and baseless assertions are the cornerstones of RGP!! I do love
all of the jailhouse lawyers and random musings though =) Is it
handshakes at expo this year or should we exchange sheep?
Mike
miracleman
best...
http://picasaweb.google.com/psychospence/Various#5358005204326547234
Rick Swanson
>Is it handshakes at expo this year or should we exchange sheep?
I say we stick to handshakes. I already have hand sanitizer. I don't
know where to buy "sheep sanitizer". ;-)
Rick Swanson
cargpb6
Craig Tiano
<bruc...@cox.net> wrote:
>It's my understanding that when buying a business... You asumme all
>contracts and liabilities as well...
WayNo didn't buy the business. He's a licensee of the intellectual
property. Generally, contracts like these have an assignment clause
where one may transfer their ownership of the license to another party
with approval of the licensing party. The only thing WayNo may have
actually "purchased" was the pinball.com domain name.
Craig
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miracleman
Once 100% confirmed by him I will do my happy dance.
brainsnap
BAA.
The LAST thing this hobby needs is even more 'cloak & dagger' games in
relation to information that many hobbyists ( ie customers ) want.
There is an opportunity here for Rick to come and promote what has
happened as an extrememly positive thing in the hobby OR to at least
come on here and deny any of it.
People had become very used to NO information from 'El Dingo' - I
think if Rick has done some 'deal' then he needs to make himself
appear COMPLETELY different from 'the blunder' - otherwise , people
are just gunna keep thinking "more of the same". Remembering that a
LOT of people refused to buy parts for thier games simply because El
Blunder owend the distribution rights, then Rick SHOULD make it VERY
CLEAR if HE is the new owner ( and of so, the owner of what ) and
that in itself will see people buying parts off him immediately.
A GREAT business promotion opportunity has presented itself here.
Hans
> It's a real shame that there is continual silence on this matter from
> BAA.
> The LAST thing this hobby needs is even more 'cloak & dagger' games in
> relation to information that many hobbyists ( ie customers ) want.
>
Really not all that unusual, if the transaction is still pending.
Lots of legal work to do in a transfer of this sort;
and you usually don't see announcements until after it's 'done'.
-Hans
Sam
Plus, BAA is probably not ready to make an announcement just yet.
Probably lots of details to go through beyond any due diligence they
may have done prior to signing a contract. The rise in the aussie
dollar may have hurt Wayne more than all of us realizes. If BAA is
really going to remake MM, can I sign up? lol.
Sam
PT
> really going to remake MM, can I sign up? lol.
>
> Sam
I would imagine that when the announcement of the deal comes it will
include the official acknowledgment that MMs will not be made and the
remaining four deposits will be refunded. Also, there will be a lot
of trolls heads and other MM specific parts available for CHEAP.
John
MrBally
I smell a special "Bay Area Amusements Update" seminar at Expo.
Maybe Gene, Gene the dancing machine can incorporate the news in
another episode of "Illinois Pinball Update" at his silly Illinois
Pinball Show and Flea Market at the 2 1/2 star hotel down the road.
Fro some OT entertainment, read the reviews of the $50/night hotel
that gives you a flea market table too. Maybe Steve Young and Mayfair
will be there.....LMFAO! http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll/qscr=dspv/htid=171178/crti=7/hotel-reviews
Be careful when linking to the site, you have to eliminate the "groups
google" prefix otherwise no go!
jackofdiamonds
> Be careful when linking to the site, you have to eliminate the "groups
> google" prefix otherwise no go!
guides....ya know with the Bally logo on it I need some for my Capt.
Fan.I'll be checking both websites.Please email directly if you have
or plan on making these.Thanks,Scott