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GameRoomCollectibles
Feb 10, 2012, 10:33:53 AM2/10/12
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So I'm beginning to understand why so many people are quick to call us
overpriced. Several established perceptions in this "business" may be
right or wrong, but here's one that grinds my gears. Misrepresentation!
We're getting ready to present what, in my opinion, is a "nice"
FunHouse. It was sold to its previous owner as another infamous "high
end restoration." Sure, it has new cabinet decals - big deal. So now I'm
into my 3rd full day of cleaning, fixing, & un-hacking. Dead giveaway at
first glance, several slotted screws meandering around the playfield.
Blatantly wrong hardware, as you may know by now, is another of my pet
peeves, but I digress.
Anyway, for "market price" investigation, off I go to eBay's recently
completed listings & I find this "High End Restoration!" piece:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Funhouse-Pinball-Machine-High-End-Restoration-/190613015267?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c616bcae3
Scrolling through the photos I first notice two missing switch covers,
not a big deal. Then I see a crappy looking lockdown receiver. Okay, not
"high end" but no major disasters noticed yet. Then I see the coin
door??!? WTF? If people, you people, other people, whoever accepts this
as a "High End Restoration!" no wonder you think we're overpriced. I'd
evaluate that pin (with it's guaranteed hidden pile-o-problems) as
brutally average. Are my standards too high?
-Mike
GRC
overpriced. Several established perceptions in this "business" may be
right or wrong, but here's one that grinds my gears. Misrepresentation!
We're getting ready to present what, in my opinion, is a "nice"
FunHouse. It was sold to its previous owner as another infamous "high
end restoration." Sure, it has new cabinet decals - big deal. So now I'm
into my 3rd full day of cleaning, fixing, & un-hacking. Dead giveaway at
first glance, several slotted screws meandering around the playfield.
Blatantly wrong hardware, as you may know by now, is another of my pet
peeves, but I digress.
Anyway, for "market price" investigation, off I go to eBay's recently
completed listings & I find this "High End Restoration!" piece:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Funhouse-Pinball-Machine-High-End-Restoration-/190613015267?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c616bcae3
Scrolling through the photos I first notice two missing switch covers,
not a big deal. Then I see a crappy looking lockdown receiver. Okay, not
"high end" but no major disasters noticed yet. Then I see the coin
door??!? WTF? If people, you people, other people, whoever accepts this
as a "High End Restoration!" no wonder you think we're overpriced. I'd
evaluate that pin (with it's guaranteed hidden pile-o-problems) as
brutally average. Are my standards too high?
-Mike
GRC
Mike Detroit
Feb 10, 2012, 10:42:16 AM2/10/12
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On Feb 10, 10:33 am, GameRoomCollectibles
<gameroomcollectib...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So I'm beginning to understand why so many people are quick to call us
> overpriced. Several established perceptions in this "business" may be
> right or wrong, but here's one that grinds my gears. Misrepresentation!
>
> We're getting ready to present what, in my opinion, is a "nice"
> FunHouse. It was sold to its previous owner as another infamous "high
> end restoration." Sure, it has new cabinet decals - big deal. So now I'm
> into my 3rd full day of cleaning, fixing, & un-hacking. Dead giveaway at
> first glance, several slotted screws meandering around the playfield.
> Blatantly wrong hardware, as you may know by now, is another of my pet
> peeves, but I digress.
>
> Anyway, for "market price" investigation, off I go to eBay's recently
> completed listings & I find this "High End Restoration!" piece:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Funhouse-Pinball-Machine-High-End-Restoration...
> So I'm beginning to understand why so many people are quick to call us
> overpriced. Several established perceptions in this "business" may be
> right or wrong, but here's one that grinds my gears. Misrepresentation!
>
> We're getting ready to present what, in my opinion, is a "nice"
> FunHouse. It was sold to its previous owner as another infamous "high
> end restoration." Sure, it has new cabinet decals - big deal. So now I'm
> into my 3rd full day of cleaning, fixing, & un-hacking. Dead giveaway at
> first glance, several slotted screws meandering around the playfield.
> Blatantly wrong hardware, as you may know by now, is another of my pet
> peeves, but I digress.
>
> Anyway, for "market price" investigation, off I go to eBay's recently
> completed listings & I find this "High End Restoration!" piece:
>
>
> Scrolling through the photos I first notice two missing switch covers,
> not a big deal. Then I see a crappy looking lockdown receiver. Okay, not
> "high end" but no major disasters noticed yet. Then I see the coin
> door??!? WTF? If people, you people, other people, whoever accepts this
> as a "High End Restoration!" no wonder you think we're overpriced. I'd
> evaluate that pin (with it's guaranteed hidden pile-o-problems) as
> brutally average. Are my standards too high?
>
> -Mike
> GRC
Are your standards too high...no. Overpriced? Yes.
> Scrolling through the photos I first notice two missing switch covers,
> not a big deal. Then I see a crappy looking lockdown receiver. Okay, not
> "high end" but no major disasters noticed yet. Then I see the coin
> door??!? WTF? If people, you people, other people, whoever accepts this
> as a "High End Restoration!" no wonder you think we're overpriced. I'd
> evaluate that pin (with it's guaranteed hidden pile-o-problems) as
> brutally average. Are my standards too high?
>
> -Mike
> GRC
waltr
Feb 10, 2012, 10:47:37 AM2/10/12
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GameRoomCollectibles;1881870 Wrote:
> So I'm beginning to understand why so many people are quick to call us
> overpriced. Several established perceptions in this "business" may be
> right or wrong, but here's one that grinds my gears. Misrepresentation!
>
> We're getting ready to present what, in my opinion, is a "nice"
> FunHouse. It was sold to its previous owner as another infamous "high
> end restoration." Sure, it has new cabinet decals - big deal. So now I'm
>
> into my 3rd full day of cleaning, fixing, & un-hacking. Dead giveaway at
>
> first glance, several slotted screws meandering around the playfield.
> Blatantly wrong hardware, as you may know by now, is another of my pet
> peeves, but I digress.
>
> Anyway, for "market price" investigation, off I go to eBay's recently
> completed listings & I find this "High End Restoration!" piece:
>
>
> Scrolling through the photos I first notice two missing switch covers,
> not a big deal. Then I see a crappy looking lockdown receiver. Okay, not
>
> "high end" but no major disasters noticed yet. Then I see the coin
> door??!? WTF? If people, you people, other people, whoever accepts this
>
> as a "High End Restoration!" no wonder you think we're overpriced. I'd
> evaluate that pin (with it's guaranteed hidden pile-o-problems) as
> brutally average. Are my standards too high?
>
> -Mike
> GRC
That is not a high end resto, nor are yours.
> Scrolling through the photos I first notice two missing switch covers,
> not a big deal. Then I see a crappy looking lockdown receiver. Okay, not
>
> "high end" but no major disasters noticed yet. Then I see the coin
> door??!? WTF? If people, you people, other people, whoever accepts this
>
> as a "High End Restoration!" no wonder you think we're overpriced. I'd
> evaluate that pin (with it's guaranteed hidden pile-o-problems) as
> brutally average. Are my standards too high?
>
> -Mike
> GRC
You STILL are overpriced!!
No excuse will change that.
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waltr
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Gorgarspeaks
Feb 10, 2012, 10:49:10 AM2/10/12
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Standards being high are great, but when you try to sell a $4500.00
Xenon, you're gouging.
However, you're showroom girl is quite stunning and I love that you have
her in sexy outfits.
Can you do some lingerie? Hopefully that wouldn't raise your prices
even moreso.
--
Gorgarspeaks
Glen Peters
Feb 10, 2012, 10:57:47 AM2/10/12
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Come on guys!
Don't mince words... whattaya' REALLY think??
Don't mince words... whattaya' REALLY think??
Scott McClure
Feb 10, 2012, 10:56:21 AM2/10/12
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I love the constant "gouging" accusations on here.
Who exactly is forcing people to buy this guy's machines? It's not like
the power company where you don't have a choice.
Maybe his machines are overpriced. Maybe they aren't. It really only
matters to the people who actually buy the machines. If they buy an
overpriced machine, without comparison shopping, then shame on them.
It's hilarious that in America, the supposed home of the free market,
that so many people on here want to tell this guy how much to sell his
games for. If he's truly overpriced and there are better alternatives,
either he'll have to lower his prices, or he'll eventually fail.
Some of you need to seriously get a grip. I haven't been here long, but
I came here originally to get tech help and to read about the machines,
not watch a bunch of dorks participate in a dick measuring contest.
Grow the fuck up.
--
Scott McClure
GameRoomCollectibles
Feb 10, 2012, 11:01:13 AM2/10/12
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On 2/10/2012 10:42 AM, Mike Detroit wrote:
> On Feb 10, 10:33 am, GameRoomCollectibles
> <gameroomcollectib...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> So I'm beginning to understand why so many people are quick to call us
>> overpriced. Several established perceptions in this "business" may be
>> right or wrong, but here's one that grinds my gears. Misrepresentation!
>>
>> We're getting ready to present what, in my opinion, is a "nice"
>> FunHouse. It was sold to its previous owner as another infamous "high
>> end restoration." Sure, it has new cabinet decals - big deal. So now I'm
>> into my 3rd full day of cleaning, fixing,& un-hacking. Dead giveaway at
> On Feb 10, 10:33 am, GameRoomCollectibles
> <gameroomcollectib...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> So I'm beginning to understand why so many people are quick to call us
>> overpriced. Several established perceptions in this "business" may be
>> right or wrong, but here's one that grinds my gears. Misrepresentation!
>>
>> We're getting ready to present what, in my opinion, is a "nice"
>> FunHouse. It was sold to its previous owner as another infamous "high
>> end restoration." Sure, it has new cabinet decals - big deal. So now I'm
>> first glance, several slotted screws meandering around the playfield.
>> Blatantly wrong hardware, as you may know by now, is another of my pet
>> peeves, but I digress.
>>
>> Anyway, for "market price" investigation, off I go to eBay's recently
>> completed listings& I find this "High End Restoration!" piece:
>> Blatantly wrong hardware, as you may know by now, is another of my pet
>> peeves, but I digress.
>>
>> Anyway, for "market price" investigation, off I go to eBay's recently
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Funhouse-Pinball-Machine-High-End-Restoration...
>>
>> Scrolling through the photos I first notice two missing switch covers,
>> not a big deal. Then I see a crappy looking lockdown receiver. Okay, not
>> "high end" but no major disasters noticed yet. Then I see the coin
>> door??!? WTF? If people, you people, other people, whoever accepts this
>> as a "High End Restoration!" no wonder you think we're overpriced. I'd
>> evaluate that pin (with it's guaranteed hidden pile-o-problems) as
>> brutally average. Are my standards too high?
>>
>> -Mike
>> GRC
>
> Are your standards too high...no. Overpriced? Yes.
Problem here being that the "market" decided that average crapper was
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Funhouse-Pinball-Machine-High-End-Restoration...
>>
>> Scrolling through the photos I first notice two missing switch covers,
>> not a big deal. Then I see a crappy looking lockdown receiver. Okay, not
>> "high end" but no major disasters noticed yet. Then I see the coin
>> door??!? WTF? If people, you people, other people, whoever accepts this
>> as a "High End Restoration!" no wonder you think we're overpriced. I'd
>> evaluate that pin (with it's guaranteed hidden pile-o-problems) as
>> brutally average. Are my standards too high?
>>
>> -Mike
>> GRC
>
> Are your standards too high...no. Overpriced? Yes.
worth $3300. So now the (every one of) next guys who sell us a similar
piece expects $3300 as the established value. So now we dump significant
parts/labor into it as NEEDED, in my opinion of course. Now how should
we determine the price & remain in business. Thanks at least for
agreeing with something I said...
-Mike
GRC
Gorgarspeaks
Feb 10, 2012, 11:03:34 AM2/10/12
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To add on to your "America" rant, it's also fact that free speech is
alive and well, and therefore again I say this is GOUGING.
I can't tell you how many deals I've had fall through because some pin
owner, not knowing the true value of a machine, goes on ebay or the like
and sees these WAY overpriced machines and figures that is what his pin
is worth and won't come down to a more legit price.
Nice meltdown though.:eek:
--
Gorgarspeaks
Gorgarspeaks
Feb 10, 2012, 11:06:38 AM2/10/12
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GameRoomCollectibles;1881894 Wrote:
> On 2/10/2012 10:42 AM, Mike Detroit wrote:
> > On Feb 10, 10:33 am, GameRoomCollectibles
YOU and the other WAY overpriced gougers are the reason for the
ridiculous pricing. Read my above.
Scott McClure
Feb 10, 2012, 11:11:05 AM2/10/12
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Gorgarspeaks;1881895 Wrote:
> May I suggest valium?
>
> To add on to your "America" rant, it's also fact that free speech is
> alive and well, and therefore again I say this is GOUGING.
>
> I can't tell you how many deals I've had fall through because some pin
> owner, not knowing the true value of a machine, goes on ebay or the like
> and sees these WAY overpriced machines and figures that is what his pin
> is worth and won't come down to a more legit price.
>
> Nice meltdown though.:eek:
some dude is charging for a pinball machine. Again, a pinball machine.
I fail to see how telling people they are acting like 12 year olds over
the price of a pinball machine is melting down. Again, if he can't sell
machines at that price, he'll either lower them, or he'll go bust.
The value of a machine is what someone can get someone else to pay for
it. Nothing more, nothing less. If some book says the game is worth
$2000, but someone buys it for more, to that person, that's the value
of the machine.
--
Scott McClure
tomdotcom
Feb 10, 2012, 11:13:07 AM2/10/12
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Ebay sucks, and your prices suck.
Gorgarspeaks
Feb 10, 2012, 11:14:39 AM2/10/12
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"grow the fuck up" and "dick measuring contest" warrant the meltdown
comment.
I do believe these words also warrant YOU to grow up. I left the word
fuck out for you though.
--
Gorgarspeaks
Gorgarspeaks
Feb 10, 2012, 11:15:14 AM2/10/12
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tomdotcom;1881904 Wrote:
> Ebay sucks, and your prices suck.
Kirkd2
Feb 10, 2012, 11:18:32 AM2/10/12
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don't agree with the grow up part but I think some of you need to stop
thinking you are something special to pinball. Seems many of you suffer
from "small penis syndrome".
--
Kirkd2
Scott McClure
Feb 10, 2012, 11:20:08 AM2/10/12
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Gorgarspeaks;1881906 Wrote:
> "grow the fuck up" and "dick measuring contest" warrant the meltdown
> comment.
>
> I do believe these words also warrant YOU to grow up. I left the word
> fuck out for you though.
get the attention of the adolescent crowd, and I appear to have been
proven correct.
I'm sorry you can't buy machines at the price you want because of these
guys and their alleged gouging. But again, if people truly want to sell
machines, then they'll have to price them at a price that the market can
bear. If they don't do that, they won't sell them. And in the case of
some private individual, if he prices a machine too high and can't sell
it, pretty soon he's going to figure out there's a reason the machine
won't sell, and he'll lower the price accordingly.
I don't care particularly what he charges. Even if he priced them
according to your price chart, I still wouldn't buy them, because I'm
too busy paying college expenses for children, rather than putting money
into something that is just something to have fun with. Unfortunately,
real world issues trump minor annoyances like the price of a pinball
machine.
--
Scott McClure
GameRoomCollectibles
Feb 10, 2012, 11:24:59 AM2/10/12
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On 2/10/2012 11:13 AM, tomdotcom wrote:
> Ebay sucks, and your prices suck.
Leads me to believe that you & your pinball collection, both
> Ebay sucks, and your prices suck.
individually & collectively, also suck.
Frank Furhter
Feb 10, 2012, 11:24:52 AM2/10/12
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Wanna be pin up
Lame calendar demand
No boobs (guys want boobs, and most girls do too)
Very high unrealistic pricing (using eSlaw for cheap advert)
Pissed community (get over it)
Pissy attitude (yep, again get over it)
Gouging (seriously?)
Trying to establish himself as high quality (kinda hard to argue)
I'd say if you don't like this klown then don't surf his shop/products.
If you like the daughter of his then go get some, I can't believe the
pin pimp would mind as long as the price is right. If you can't wait
for the calendar then take his photos of her and put one together
yourself (calendar programs online are a dime a dozen).
Move on to next topic of interest.
boilerman
Feb 10, 2012, 11:27:17 AM2/10/12
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I think the main point he was trying to make is what makes a high end
restoration....
just my .02
restoration....
just my .02
Gorgarspeaks
Feb 10, 2012, 11:30:24 AM2/10/12
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Scott: Let's just end this now. This could go back and forth for
awhile.
It seems you're not that into the buying of pins and collecting. (I
could be wrong, but your last post seems to suggest youre just a casual
player).
What ends up happening is prices artificially rise up when sellers sell
at these prices. And yes, they are way way overpriced. A Xenon for
$4500 is just a tid bit much. Believe me.
However, if he can get some sucker to buy it, great for him and his
billfold.
--
Gorgarspeaks
GameRoomCollectibles
Feb 10, 2012, 11:37:56 AM2/10/12
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Pacpin
Feb 10, 2012, 11:39:08 AM2/10/12
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new photo shoot with Danielle. She's a better part of your business
than the pins themselves. I don't even look at the pins or the prices
or anything, i just check out the first main pic of danielle.
--
Pacpin
tomdotcom
Feb 10, 2012, 11:41:19 AM2/10/12
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The point he was trying to make is that he isn't the ONLY shady dealer
on ebay. There are MANY of them.
I support the pinball community in my town, and help online as well.
And I have a great collection.
What do you do for the pinball community besides start great flame
wars on RGP?
on ebay. There are MANY of them.
I support the pinball community in my town, and help online as well.
And I have a great collection.
What do you do for the pinball community besides start great flame
wars on RGP?
Brad
Feb 10, 2012, 11:51:54 AM2/10/12
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I previously mentioned I thought the $10,000 pitch and bat was too high.
I'll stick to that, but I'm OK with letting the market decide what is
fair.
Your not going to get much love in a collectors forum because your ebay
adds are affecting the market price. I'd like an Atlantis. If someone
knows nothing about pinball decides to sell theirs, they might see that
$3995 one on ebay and think theirs must be worth at least $1500. What
they will not understand is that you have been trying to sell yours for
months..and that it is a near perfect example with a warranty.
Pinrescue..same deal.
--
Brad
pinrayhji
Feb 10, 2012, 11:53:11 AM2/10/12
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of us rarely chime in. Name calling in print gets about as pathetic
as is possible.
Harry Irvin
toolguy
Feb 10, 2012, 11:56:41 AM2/10/12
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Frank Furhter.;1881922 Wrote:
>
> Pimp Daddy
> Wanna be pin up
> Lame calendar demand
> No boobs (guys want boobs, and most girls do too)
> Very high unrealistic pricing (using eSlaw for cheap advert)
> Pissed community (get over it)
> Pissy attitude (yep, again get over it)
> Gouging (seriously?)
> Trying to establish himself as high quality (kinda hard to argue)
>
> I'd say if you don't like this klown then don't surf his shop/products.
> If you like the daughter of his then go get some, I can't believe the
> pin pimp would mind as long as the price is right. If you can't wait
> for the calendar then take his photos of her and put one together
> yourself (calendar programs online are a dime a dozen).
> Move on to next topic of interest.
+1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--
toolguy
Scott McClure
Feb 10, 2012, 12:01:11 PM2/10/12
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Gorgarspeaks;1881929 Wrote:
> Scott: Let's just end this now. This could go back and forth for awhile.
>
> It seems you're not that into the buying of pins and collecting. (I
> could be wrong, but your last post seems to suggest youre just a casual
> player).
>
> What ends up happening is prices artificially rise up when sellers sell
> at these prices. And yes, they are way way overpriced. A Xenon for $4500
> is just a tid bit much. Believe me.
>
> However, if he can get some sucker to buy it, great for him and his
> billfold.
what you would call a huge collector-I have 5 games, and they're all EMs
anyway, which is where my interests lie. Given the expenses I have with
children in college, it's a cheaper way to be in the hobby and still be
able to pay my mortgage. I appreciate the SS/DMD games and their
technology but they're simply not for me. Given that, I would have no
interest in most of this guy's games in either case.
That said, the thing is, there's nothing "artificial" about the prices.
Prices are set by what the market demands. If enough people buy these
games at what you consider to be artificially high prices, then that is
the market, not what you think it to be or what you would prefer it to
be. Conversely, if people set prices at a point where nobody buys
them, they will be forced to lower the price or they will go out of
business.
It's the same thing with cars, which are my other interest. If enough
people buy a 1964 Corvette at a price that seems outrageously high, that
is still going to set the market price, whether or not I think it is
reasonable. Prices for some muscle car era cars went over 100k a few
years ago, but they've retreated the past few years-because people now
can't afford them, so the market has adjusted what those cars can be
sold for in today's climate.
I'm really not trying to get into a flame war with people, but this is a
really nice site with a lot of good information-a lot of it not really
to my interest since it is heavily loaded with the modern games, but I
still read the posts so I'll at least have some idea of what is going on
with pinball today, even if I probably will never be involved in the
modern games much. I just hate that the place gets cluttered up with
these threads because nobody will win. It's as much the fault of the
GRC guy as it is the people here, because he posts his stuff knowing
full well the responses aren't going to be favorable in a lot of cases.
--
Scott McClure
j j
Feb 10, 2012, 12:02:11 PM2/10/12
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On Feb 10, 9:33 am, GameRoomCollectibles
experienced people on RGP would agree with you in looking at this
machine. When you post here, you have to remember that a lot of the
members are always on the hunt for a new machine and many think your
prices are too high for them but maybe you're not marketing to RGP
members.
I would ask you how long you think it would take you to move a XENON
or FUNHOUSE at prices you see on EBAY claiming to be a high end
restoration that you rightfully disagree with. You're catching LOTS of
flack here because some may see your prices as gouging or laughable.
Really you could have TWO marketing streams. One in which you do the
restorations you're talking about and selling them for what you think
you can get (nothing wrong with that), and your secondary market could
be restoring pins to a "players level" who understand that some screws
won't match and that YOU agree they don't so you price your pin as
"player's version" for a reduced price here. I would estimate that you
would increase your moving volume x ?% and make a decent profit here
AND for your high end restorations.
Just a thought...
JJ
<gameroomcollectib...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So I'm beginning to understand why so many people are quick to call us
> overpriced. Several established perceptions in this "business" may be
> right or wrong, but here's one that grinds my gears. Misrepresentation!
>
> We're getting ready to present what, in my opinion, is a "nice"
> FunHouse. It was sold to its previous owner as another infamous "high
> end restoration." Sure, it has new cabinet decals - big deal. So now I'm
> into my 3rd full day of cleaning, fixing, & un-hacking. Dead giveaway at
> So I'm beginning to understand why so many people are quick to call us
> overpriced. Several established perceptions in this "business" may be
> right or wrong, but here's one that grinds my gears. Misrepresentation!
>
> We're getting ready to present what, in my opinion, is a "nice"
> FunHouse. It was sold to its previous owner as another infamous "high
> end restoration." Sure, it has new cabinet decals - big deal. So now I'm
> first glance, several slotted screws meandering around the playfield.
> Blatantly wrong hardware, as you may know by now, is another of my pet
> peeves, but I digress.
>
> Anyway, for "market price" investigation, off I go to eBay's recently
> completed listings & I find this "High End Restoration!" piece:
> Blatantly wrong hardware, as you may know by now, is another of my pet
> peeves, but I digress.
>
> Anyway, for "market price" investigation, off I go to eBay's recently
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Funhouse-Pinball-Machine-High-End-Restoration...
>
> Scrolling through the photos I first notice two missing switch covers,
> not a big deal. Then I see a crappy looking lockdown receiver. Okay, not
> "high end" but no major disasters noticed yet. Then I see the coin
> door??!? WTF? If people, you people, other people, whoever accepts this
> as a "High End Restoration!" no wonder you think we're overpriced. I'd
> evaluate that pin (with it's guaranteed hidden pile-o-problems) as
> brutally average. Are my standards too high?
>
> -Mike
> GRC
Hi Mike, I don't think your standards are too high. Probably many
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Funhouse-Pinball-Machine-High-End-Restoration...
>
> Scrolling through the photos I first notice two missing switch covers,
> not a big deal. Then I see a crappy looking lockdown receiver. Okay, not
> "high end" but no major disasters noticed yet. Then I see the coin
> door??!? WTF? If people, you people, other people, whoever accepts this
> as a "High End Restoration!" no wonder you think we're overpriced. I'd
> evaluate that pin (with it's guaranteed hidden pile-o-problems) as
> brutally average. Are my standards too high?
>
> -Mike
> GRC
experienced people on RGP would agree with you in looking at this
machine. When you post here, you have to remember that a lot of the
members are always on the hunt for a new machine and many think your
prices are too high for them but maybe you're not marketing to RGP
members.
I would ask you how long you think it would take you to move a XENON
or FUNHOUSE at prices you see on EBAY claiming to be a high end
restoration that you rightfully disagree with. You're catching LOTS of
flack here because some may see your prices as gouging or laughable.
Really you could have TWO marketing streams. One in which you do the
restorations you're talking about and selling them for what you think
you can get (nothing wrong with that), and your secondary market could
be restoring pins to a "players level" who understand that some screws
won't match and that YOU agree they don't so you price your pin as
"player's version" for a reduced price here. I would estimate that you
would increase your moving volume x ?% and make a decent profit here
AND for your high end restorations.
Just a thought...
JJ
MrMarco
Feb 10, 2012, 12:05:52 PM2/10/12
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Howdy,
The bottom line is whether the effort was truly invested into making a
pinball machine "Restored!". Would you say that Herb Silver's pins
are over priced?
It is very common to perform one heck of a lot of work restoring a
machine to play and look like new. Especially in my area of
restoration, EMs. All EMs are basket cases when they come in the
door. Huge amount of work just to make them truly reliable, let alone
restoring the visual appeal. Yet, my work probably averages out to $2
an hour. Alright, I'm a hobbiest and I'm not in it for the money, so
I can live with my greatest reward being the personal pride of the
finished product.
But, what if you do all that work and ths is what you do for a
living? Tough business to say the least.
I'm not sticking up for anyone here. I'm just trying to say, it
depends on motivation.
Is it a hobby or a business? If it's a business, you should get back
your investment plus the profit necessary to maintain the business.
Suerte,
MrMarco
The bottom line is whether the effort was truly invested into making a
pinball machine "Restored!". Would you say that Herb Silver's pins
are over priced?
It is very common to perform one heck of a lot of work restoring a
machine to play and look like new. Especially in my area of
restoration, EMs. All EMs are basket cases when they come in the
door. Huge amount of work just to make them truly reliable, let alone
restoring the visual appeal. Yet, my work probably averages out to $2
an hour. Alright, I'm a hobbiest and I'm not in it for the money, so
I can live with my greatest reward being the personal pride of the
finished product.
But, what if you do all that work and ths is what you do for a
living? Tough business to say the least.
I'm not sticking up for anyone here. I'm just trying to say, it
depends on motivation.
Is it a hobby or a business? If it's a business, you should get back
your investment plus the profit necessary to maintain the business.
Suerte,
MrMarco
Rumpel Tilt-skin
Feb 10, 2012, 12:12:24 PM2/10/12
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sell at these prices - they realistically rise when BUYERS buy at
these prices.
This is how the value is determined. It may not be worth it to you,
but If there is sufficient demand at a high price and people continue
to buy, that would determine the value.
You need to start a campaign to tell everyone not to buy at these
prices because you believe they are too high. Everyone keeps selling
MM for way too much - can't they all see it that it's worth much less?
(These sellers keep selling them for big money and artificially
raising the price, damn it, it's their fault)
GameRoomCollectibles
Feb 10, 2012, 12:36:49 PM2/10/12
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On 2/10/2012 12:02 PM, j j wrote:
> On Feb 10, 9:33 am, GameRoomCollectibles
> <gameroomcollectib...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> So I'm beginning to understand why so many people are quick to call us
>> overpriced. Several established perceptions in this "business" may be
>> right or wrong, but here's one that grinds my gears. Misrepresentation!
>>
>> We're getting ready to present what, in my opinion, is a "nice"
>> FunHouse. It was sold to its previous owner as another infamous "high
>> end restoration." Sure, it has new cabinet decals - big deal. So now I'm
>> into my 3rd full day of cleaning, fixing,& un-hacking. Dead giveaway at
> On Feb 10, 9:33 am, GameRoomCollectibles
> <gameroomcollectib...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> So I'm beginning to understand why so many people are quick to call us
>> overpriced. Several established perceptions in this "business" may be
>> right or wrong, but here's one that grinds my gears. Misrepresentation!
>>
>> We're getting ready to present what, in my opinion, is a "nice"
>> FunHouse. It was sold to its previous owner as another infamous "high
>> end restoration." Sure, it has new cabinet decals - big deal. So now I'm
>> first glance, several slotted screws meandering around the playfield.
>> Blatantly wrong hardware, as you may know by now, is another of my pet
>> peeves, but I digress.
>>
>> Anyway, for "market price" investigation, off I go to eBay's recently
>> completed listings& I find this "High End Restoration!" piece:
>> Blatantly wrong hardware, as you may know by now, is another of my pet
>> peeves, but I digress.
>>
>> Anyway, for "market price" investigation, off I go to eBay's recently
market. Of course, you'd be surprised who watches what goes on here
without participating. We do have both established & new-incoming
service & retail customers who take "our side" in these polarizing banters.
Regarding turnover time on pins, it's all we can handle. We aren't
cattle-herders. We have a small but committed team. Frankly, we can't
keep up with demand on any front but margins remain small so growth is
also small. Doing "volume" at this point is impossible without
abandoning quality.
Also, we don't always, or even most of the time do high-end
restorations. We do insist that machines going out are "right" both
electronically & mechanically. This includes anything showing signs of
pending failure & beyond. Our reputation & future success hinges here
PLUS representing product accurately.
Here's where I think the real truth lies: A majority of people view
their pins like their children - "perfect" in every way. To them, these
pins are "worth" twice what they are worth. When looking at other folks
pins, the opposite applies. Being in the pinball business puts us in the
middle of that battle.
If our prices are truly "too high," it's because we're paying too much
for incoming pieces. It's not because we're making exorbitant profit on
parts &/or labor. When buying, we offer what we think a particular
machine is worth as is in this twisted market. If we offer less than
that, without some major trickery, the seller will refuse. That seems
simple?
So... Who has "A-title" (or even "B") pins within a 50-mile radius of us
willing to sell at "book value" & meeting a reasonable quality
qualification as "good cosmetic & working condition"? I'll be right over
with cash in hand. My experiences show that most everyone selling wants
more than book in spite of laundry lists worth of repair needs...
Our success to this point has been based on accurate descriptions &
detailed attention to reconditioning processes. Prices are really quite
irrelevant as we truly, really really make more money when locals buy
elsewhere. Ray goes over & does the repairs, charges more per hour than
"shop rate," & actually gets an hour for an hour. Shop work is more like
work four hours to bill one... Life in the pinball business.
-Mike
GRC
GameRoomCollectibles
Feb 10, 2012, 12:38:44 PM2/10/12
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Max Badazz
Feb 10, 2012, 12:46:48 PM2/10/12
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> So I'm beginning to understand why so many people are quick to call us
> overpriced.
Because retail and us cheapo's of RGP don't mix :)
> overpriced.
I wouldn't lose sleep about what people say. If you are happy with
your machines after restoring them and you feel the values are what
you list them as, then thats ok. If they sell ...great. If not, you
can re-evaluate the prices til that sweet spot is met. While I have
paid extra for a nice game in the past, it was by choice. I could
have passed on it, but I didn't. If someone wants a super restored
game, then they can choose to pay. No reason for people to bash these
prices.
Now on the flip side (so I will officially not take a side)
You have to take the good with the bad. If you post on RGP, then you
need to accept what is said, whether or not its positive. RGP is like
a brand new keg of money, waiting to be tapped. Make friends here,
and you will do just fine (both with tech help and future
purchasers). Yes, people have different opinions and yes Korn still
hates RBION which he is 100% wrong about, but overall this group can
be an asset.
BTW, I would love to buy one of your games, then have the ebay picture
hanging next to it framed :)... however I am usually kind of a cheapo
with buying games.
Chris (in NH)
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/maxbadazz
WTB: Strider arcade marquee
boilerman
Feb 10, 2012, 12:12:33 PM2/10/12
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well said Harry.
99% of the time the people here are helpful
but the other 1% sometimes makes me wonder why so angry
99% of the time the people here are helpful
but the other 1% sometimes makes me wonder why so angry
GameRoomCollectibles
Feb 10, 2012, 1:02:54 PM2/10/12
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Note - Buyer of Champion Pub, Taxi, & NGG asked for framed, signed,
photos. Got what he asked for - no extra charge.
Gerry
Feb 10, 2012, 1:32:17 PM2/10/12
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On Feb 10, 10:49 am, Gorgarspeaks <dray...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Standards being high are great, but when you try to sell a $4500.00
> Xenon, you're gouging.
>
> However, you're showroom girl is quite stunning and I love that you have
> her in sexy outfits.
>
> Can you do some lingerie? Hopefully that wouldn't raise your prices
> even moreso.
I think a crotchless teddy would be killer, and maybe some porn style
shots would be nice.. :)
> Standards being high are great, but when you try to sell a $4500.00
> Xenon, you're gouging.
>
> However, you're showroom girl is quite stunning and I love that you have
> her in sexy outfits.
>
> Can you do some lingerie? Hopefully that wouldn't raise your prices
> even moreso.
I think a crotchless teddy would be killer, and maybe some porn style
shots would be nice.. :)
pinfarmer
Feb 10, 2012, 2:38:54 PM2/10/12
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Why don't we stop responding to his threads?
He is clearly a troll. He knows none of us are ever going to buy from
him and he knows tht his prices are far from reasonable even for
'retail' and he's going to be called on it.
He seems only to be on here to cause trouble and laugh at us collectors
--
pinfarmer
Flambo
Feb 10, 2012, 2:45:15 PM2/10/12
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Gorgarspeaks;1881897 Wrote:
> BULLSHIT. The average market are collectors that know the real value.
> YOU and the other WAY overpriced gougers are the reason for the
> ridiculous pricing. Read my above.
Wow, you obviously know shit. What kind of community forum did I join?!
--
Flambo
Frank Furhter
Feb 10, 2012, 2:51:29 PM2/10/12
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Flambo wrote:
> Gorgarspeaks;1881897 Wrote:
>> BULLSHIT. The average market are collectors that know the real value.
>> YOU and the other WAY overpriced gougers are the reason for the
>> ridiculous pricing. Read my above.
>
> Wow, you obviously know shit. What kind of community forum did I join?!
You haven't joined anything other than open discourse. This is not a
> Gorgarspeaks;1881897 Wrote:
>> BULLSHIT. The average market are collectors that know the real value.
>> YOU and the other WAY overpriced gougers are the reason for the
>> ridiculous pricing. Read my above.
>
> Wow, you obviously know shit. What kind of community forum did I join?!
forum, not moderated and you can exit the discourse or refuse to join in
on the discourse just as quickly/easily. Don't let the USENET news
group rotating door of silliness hit your ass too hard.
Captain Neo
Feb 10, 2012, 2:52:16 PM2/10/12
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On Feb 10, 10:37 am, GameRoomCollectibles
I think if you want to be considered high end, your going to have to
post lots of step by step pictures of the restoration process, so
buyers understand the lengths you went to, to make the game worth the
asking price. Show all the work done and all the results from start
to finish, and you probably won't get so much slack on your prices.
post lots of step by step pictures of the restoration process, so
buyers understand the lengths you went to, to make the game worth the
asking price. Show all the work done and all the results from start
to finish, and you probably won't get so much slack on your prices.
Doriguin
Feb 10, 2012, 2:52:11 PM2/10/12
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It's a free market... in this country at least. What the hell is wrong
with you people? I've seen his work, bought it, and liked it. If you
want to pay what you think is proper, go somewhere else and quit
bitching about it through a modem. I would honestly like to know where
you get your pins so cheep in the first place that aren't pieces of
shit.
--
Doriguin
Flambo
Feb 10, 2012, 2:54:52 PM2/10/12
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intellectual?
FredMaine
Feb 10, 2012, 3:28:20 PM2/10/12
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> The value of a machine is what someone
> can get someone else to pay for it.
Agreed. I see plenty of good pins for fair price and I wouldn't put a
nickel on it because I don't want that machine. But someday the machine
I love will come by and I'll be willing overpay to get it, if that's
what I need to do.
Is Honda gouging because their generators are twice as expensive as
Generac's? You can argue all day about it, why one is better than the
other or that they both do the same job and therefore really are the
same. They both have markets and people buy both, for their own reasons
- whether that be price, quality, sexy advertising, or because they like
red generators over grey ones.
Marketing people wouldn't have jobs if the price of an item were that
easy to determine.
Fred
--
FredMaine
VDrums2112
Feb 10, 2012, 3:37:18 PM2/10/12
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Looked up completed auctions for Burford610 out of curiousity. The only
pinball machine sold in the last 15 days was a project POTO with 11 bids
for $979.00. I don't imagine the higher priced machines are rolling out
the door at a fast clip, on eBay or the brick and mortar store.
If I was looking for a Taxi, I'd hold out for a project and fix it up
myself to a player quality game only for the simple fact that I wouldn't
be able to afford a HEP (subjective, I know) restored Taxi. But that's
just me. If a doctor who knows nothing about a pinball machine wants a
game for his house and has the money to spend, then this is probably the
market GRC is selling machines to... Just my guess...
--
VDrums2112
Steve Ridge - Louisville, KY
http://www.youtube.com/vdrums2112
http://www.facebook.com/vdrums2112
http://www.pinballrankings.com/player.php?t=p&player_id=9762
"Zap makes scrap!"
seymour.shabow
Feb 10, 2012, 4:27:59 PM2/10/12
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detractor/doesn't agree with the pricing is that:
[a] people don't deserve to make a living fixing pinballs and selling them
[b] it's never ok for someone to ask more for a game than what someone
else thinks it's worth
That about right?
statsdoc
Feb 10, 2012, 4:16:07 PM2/10/12
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I am going to vote with Scott McClure on this one. I am a capitalist
like most everyone else on this board. The market determines prices.
People can charge what they want and the market will let them succeed or
fail. The other option is for the government to control the prices.
Anybody here want to vote for Communism or Socialism?
and now, for something completely different ...
a man with three buttocks
--
statsdoc
seymour.shabow
Feb 10, 2012, 4:31:26 PM2/10/12
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MrMarco wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> The bottom line is whether the effort was truly invested into making a
> pinball machine "Restored!". Would you say that Herb Silver's pins
> are over priced?
>
For what he does to them, yes. The couple I've seen the inside of were
> Howdy,
>
> The bottom line is whether the effort was truly invested into making a
> pinball machine "Restored!". Would you say that Herb Silver's pins
> are over priced?
>
grease pits. For pinrescue pricing he should have pinrescue restoration
levels - and the stickers he puts on the side of EM's? Blasphemy.
His market isn't RGP it's people that have so much money that it doesn't
matter what they're paying for.
Gorgarspeaks
Feb 10, 2012, 4:40:33 PM2/10/12
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Anyone know where I can score a nice Xenon? I'd pay up to about $4500
dollars for it.
--
Gorgarspeaks
JohninIndiana
Feb 10, 2012, 5:37:52 PM2/10/12
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GameRoomCollectibles said
> So I'm beginning to understand why so many people are quick to call
> us overpriced.
Charge what the market will bear.
Speaking of bare, can you take some more cloths off the model? Wowwsa...
--
JohninIndiana
> So I'm beginning to understand why so many people are quick to call
> us overpriced.
Speaking of bare, can you take some more cloths off the model? Wowwsa...
--
JohninIndiana
Mike D
Feb 10, 2012, 6:22:19 PM2/10/12
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Hard to argue with this:
"Here's where I think the real truth lies: A majority of people view
their pins like their children - "perfect" in every way. To them, these
pins are "worth" twice what they are worth. When looking at other folks
pins, the opposite applies. Being in the pinball business puts us in
the
middle of that battle."
"If our prices are truly "too high," it's because we're paying too much
for incoming pieces. It's not because we're making exorbitant profit on
parts &/or labor. When buying, we offer what we think a particular
machine is worth as is in this twisted market. If we offer less than
that, without some major trickery, the seller will refuse. That seems
simple?"
"So... Who has "A-title" (or even "B") pins within a 50-mile radius of
us
willing to sell at "book value" & meeting a reasonable quality
qualification as "good cosmetic & working condition"? I'll be right
over
with cash in hand. My experiences show that most everyone selling wants
more than book in spite of laundry lists worth of repair needs..."
Mike D
GameRoomCollectibles
Feb 10, 2012, 6:30:32 PM2/10/12
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gimmick I must admit, but as busy as we continue to be, it seems that's
what it would take to pull Ray & I off the other pile of projects &
devote what's needed to finish it.
As far as our prices affecting the market price? Do we have so much
influence? You are correct that the "know nothings" don't understand the
difference between a barn find & a restored piece. Even the "think they
knows" have trouble differentiating the two. Trust that the market
inflation affects us more than the general hobbyist. If we sold 50
machines last year (give or take) then we also bought 50. The "core"
prices have most certainly gone up no less than 25% in the past year &
the quality continues to go down.
The real hidden enemy is simply supply & demand. Roughly 1/2 of our
sales are to first time buyers - not because they don't know any better
(many of them shop around meticulously) but because they are "new
demand." Like most of us, they aren't looking for a new Stern. They want
the same games everybody wants. There aren't enough of them. Price
skyrockets across the board.
Don't believe that? Take your favorite "A" title & try to sell it for
twice what you think it's worth, then sit back & watch the fight. We're
on the front line here & it's very easy to see from where I'm standing.
Case in point, this time last year we passed on a HUO TSPP at $2800.
This past week we took one at $3800 with the difference being a quickly
drying up well of incoming inventory. Did we pay too much? Seller showed
comparable machines sold for more. Life in the pinball business...
JohnKinKokomo
Feb 10, 2012, 6:25:13 PM2/10/12
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Funhouse is a great game...one of the few I've had that I miss and
would have back. That being said, they should've atleast done
something with that coin door. Hell I'm a hack and even I couldn't
live with that!
would have back. That being said, they should've atleast done
something with that coin door. Hell I'm a hack and even I couldn't
live with that!
cody chunn
Feb 10, 2012, 6:45:50 PM2/10/12
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1) Free market. A seller can put any price on an item they want (that isn't
regulated, etc). It will sell or not, and the price will be adjusted or not.
2) Free speech. When the seller or someone else posts a link to a sell and
solicits comments, guess what, people are going to comment. This discourse
is part of the Free Market.
3) The seller is obviously "pressing buttons", trying to get people to
respond frequently on his auction threads to keep it bumped and maximize his
exposure. Whether it's comments about the model, price, condition...doesn't
matter, just chatter. He wants the pot to keep being stirred.
4) I played this time. But now I'm out.
-cody
"Mike Detroit" wrote in message
news:9033875e-5797-40e5...@f5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 10, 10:33 am, GameRoomCollectibles
regulated, etc). It will sell or not, and the price will be adjusted or not.
2) Free speech. When the seller or someone else posts a link to a sell and
solicits comments, guess what, people are going to comment. This discourse
is part of the Free Market.
3) The seller is obviously "pressing buttons", trying to get people to
respond frequently on his auction threads to keep it bumped and maximize his
exposure. Whether it's comments about the model, price, condition...doesn't
matter, just chatter. He wants the pot to keep being stirred.
4) I played this time. But now I'm out.
-cody
"Mike Detroit" wrote in message
news:9033875e-5797-40e5...@f5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 10, 10:33 am, GameRoomCollectibles
<gameroomcollectib...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So I'm beginning to understand why so many people are quick to call us
> So I'm beginning to understand why so many people are quick to call us
> overpriced. Several established perceptions in this "business" may be
> right or wrong, but here's one that grinds my gears. Misrepresentation!
>
> We're getting ready to present what, in my opinion, is a "nice"
> FunHouse. It was sold to its previous owner as another infamous "high
> end restoration." Sure, it has new cabinet decals - big deal. So now I'm
> into my 3rd full day of cleaning, fixing, & un-hacking. Dead giveaway at
> right or wrong, but here's one that grinds my gears. Misrepresentation!
>
> We're getting ready to present what, in my opinion, is a "nice"
> FunHouse. It was sold to its previous owner as another infamous "high
> end restoration." Sure, it has new cabinet decals - big deal. So now I'm
> first glance, several slotted screws meandering around the playfield.
> Blatantly wrong hardware, as you may know by now, is another of my pet
> peeves, but I digress.
>
> Anyway, for "market price" investigation, off I go to eBay's recently
> completed listings & I find this "High End Restoration!" piece:
> Blatantly wrong hardware, as you may know by now, is another of my pet
> peeves, but I digress.
>
> Anyway, for "market price" investigation, off I go to eBay's recently
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Funhouse-Pinball-Machine-High-End-Restoration...
>
> Scrolling through the photos I first notice two missing switch covers,
> not a big deal. Then I see a crappy looking lockdown receiver. Okay, not
> "high end" but no major disasters noticed yet. Then I see the coin
> door??!? WTF? If people, you people, other people, whoever accepts this
> as a "High End Restoration!" no wonder you think we're overpriced. I'd
> evaluate that pin (with it's guaranteed hidden pile-o-problems) as
> brutally average. Are my standards too high?
>
> -Mike
> GRC
Are your standards too high...no. Overpriced? Yes.
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Funhouse-Pinball-Machine-High-End-Restoration...
>
> Scrolling through the photos I first notice two missing switch covers,
> not a big deal. Then I see a crappy looking lockdown receiver. Okay, not
> "high end" but no major disasters noticed yet. Then I see the coin
> door??!? WTF? If people, you people, other people, whoever accepts this
> as a "High End Restoration!" no wonder you think we're overpriced. I'd
> evaluate that pin (with it's guaranteed hidden pile-o-problems) as
> brutally average. Are my standards too high?
>
> -Mike
> GRC
Frank Furhter
Feb 10, 2012, 7:33:33 PM2/10/12
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GameRoomCollectibles wrote:
> On 2/10/2012 4:27 PM, seymour.shabow wrote:
>> Brad wrote:
>>> I previously mentioned I thought the $10,000 pitch and bat was too high.
>>> I'll stick to that, but I'm OK with letting the market decide what is
>>> fair.
>>> Your not going to get much love in a collectors forum because your ebay
>>> adds are affecting the market price. I'd like an Atlantis. If someone
>>> knows nothing about pinball decides to sell theirs, they might see that
>>> $3995 one on ebay and think theirs must be worth at least $1500. What
>>> they will not understand is that you have been trying to sell yours for
>>> months..and that it is a near perfect example with a warranty.
>>> Pinrescue..same deal.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> So pretty much what every one is saying on this thread that's a
>> detractor/doesn't agree with the pricing is that:
>>
>> [a] people don't deserve to make a living fixing pinballs and selling
>> them
>>
>> [b] it's never ok for someone to ask more for a game than what someone
>> else thinks it's worth
>>
>>
>> That about right?
>
> Agree with most of this here. The $10K pitch&bat was & is merely a
> gimmick I must admit, but as busy as we continue to be, it seems that's
> what it would take to pull Ray & I off the other pile of projects &
> devote what's needed to finish it.
Admitting gimmick, the rest is as well. You are not selling (look at
> On 2/10/2012 4:27 PM, seymour.shabow wrote:
>> Brad wrote:
>>> I previously mentioned I thought the $10,000 pitch and bat was too high.
>>> I'll stick to that, but I'm OK with letting the market decide what is
>>> fair.
>>> Your not going to get much love in a collectors forum because your ebay
>>> adds are affecting the market price. I'd like an Atlantis. If someone
>>> knows nothing about pinball decides to sell theirs, they might see that
>>> $3995 one on ebay and think theirs must be worth at least $1500. What
>>> they will not understand is that you have been trying to sell yours for
>>> months..and that it is a near perfect example with a warranty.
>>> Pinrescue..same deal.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> So pretty much what every one is saying on this thread that's a
>> detractor/doesn't agree with the pricing is that:
>>
>> [a] people don't deserve to make a living fixing pinballs and selling
>> them
>>
>> [b] it's never ok for someone to ask more for a game than what someone
>> else thinks it's worth
>>
>>
>> That about right?
>
> Agree with most of this here. The $10K pitch&bat was & is merely a
> gimmick I must admit, but as busy as we continue to be, it seems that's
> what it would take to pull Ray & I off the other pile of projects &
> devote what's needed to finish it.
your history of closing auction items) any meaningful % of actual
listings within FleeceBay. Clearly you are using it as a means to
expose, and so maybe you and your "daughter" might consider doing a nude
project calendar with pins as a side freak show theme to it. I bet
there are a few angry handy Js here that would like that bitty.
> As far as our prices affecting the market price? Do we have so much
> influence?
> You are correct that the "know nothings" don't understand the
> difference between a barn find & a restored piece. Even the "think they
> knows" have trouble differentiating the two. Trust that the market
> inflation affects us more than the general hobbyist. If we sold 50
> machines last year (give or take)
> then we also bought 50. The "core"
> prices have most certainly gone up no less than 25% in the past year &
> the quality continues to go down.
status of your family members for market exposure.
> The real hidden enemy is simply supply & demand. Roughly 1/2 of our
> sales are to first time buyers - not because they don't know any better
> (many of them shop around meticulously) but because they are "new
> demand." Like most of us, they aren't looking for a new Stern. They want
> the same games everybody wants. There aren't enough of them. Price
> skyrockets across the board.
after they get edumicated on the actual value of the over priced POS
they just bought.
> Don't believe that? Take your favorite "A" title & try to sell it for
> twice what you think it's worth, then sit back & watch the fight. We're
> on the front line here & it's very easy to see from where I'm standing.
> Case in point, this time last year we passed on a HUO TSPP at $2800.
> This past week we took one at $3800 with the difference being a quickly
> drying up well of incoming inventory. Did we pay too much? Seller showed
> comparable machines sold for more. Life in the pinball business...
metallik
Feb 10, 2012, 7:34:30 PM2/10/12
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> Some of you need to seriously get a grip. I haven't been here long, but
> I came here originally to get tech help and to read about the machines,
> not watch a bunch of dorks participate in a dick measuring contest.
>
> Grow the fuck up.
Coming to a new group and telling people off makes you an asshole.
Adapt, don't bitch. Here's a clue: RGP only shows stuff that you
click on. So, don't click on pricing threads and you won't have to
force your eyes to endure gouging threads. Isn't that easy?
> I came here originally to get tech help and to read about the machines,
> not watch a bunch of dorks participate in a dick measuring contest.
>
> Grow the fuck up.
Coming to a new group and telling people off makes you an asshole.
Adapt, don't bitch. Here's a clue: RGP only shows stuff that you
click on. So, don't click on pricing threads and you won't have to
force your eyes to endure gouging threads. Isn't that easy?
metallik
Feb 10, 2012, 7:41:20 PM2/10/12
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> modern games much. I just hate that the place gets cluttered up with
> these threads because nobody will win. It's as much the fault of the
> GRC guy as it is the people here, because he posts his stuff knowing
> full well the responses aren't going to be favorable in a lot of cases.
Wow, I can't imagine how you feel with all the gobs of information
cluttering up this internet! Terabytes of petabytes of clutter! How
ever will you sort through it all?!
Oh, right... you don't see most of it. In fact, you only see the
tiniest fraction of the information in the 'tubes - the stuff you
specifically request with that little clicker-thing in your hand.
Some careful consideration of what threads to click will save you the
"hassle" of dealing with RGP's "clutter"
and yes, I am LMAO right now. It's like renting ten movies and
complaining you lack the time to watch them all.
YOU control what you see. YOU keep clicking this thread.. no one is
forcing you to do so. This isn't rocket science. If you don't want
to see the clutter, don't click on it.
...still LMAO :)
> these threads because nobody will win. It's as much the fault of the
> GRC guy as it is the people here, because he posts his stuff knowing
> full well the responses aren't going to be favorable in a lot of cases.
Wow, I can't imagine how you feel with all the gobs of information
cluttering up this internet! Terabytes of petabytes of clutter! How
ever will you sort through it all?!
Oh, right... you don't see most of it. In fact, you only see the
tiniest fraction of the information in the 'tubes - the stuff you
specifically request with that little clicker-thing in your hand.
Some careful consideration of what threads to click will save you the
"hassle" of dealing with RGP's "clutter"
and yes, I am LMAO right now. It's like renting ten movies and
complaining you lack the time to watch them all.
YOU control what you see. YOU keep clicking this thread.. no one is
forcing you to do so. This isn't rocket science. If you don't want
to see the clutter, don't click on it.
...still LMAO :)
GameRoomCollectibles
Feb 10, 2012, 7:52:31 PM2/10/12
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On 2/10/2012 7:33 PM, Frank Furhter wrote:
You are not selling (look at your history of closing auction items) any
meaningful % of actual
> listings within FleeceBay.
Explain our "Silver Power Seller" rating to me then. What volume is
You are not selling (look at your history of closing auction items) any
meaningful % of actual
> listings within FleeceBay.
required since you know so much?
>
> No, you are just an annoyance, much like used car salesmen.
> Mostly take, you didn't sell 50 machines.
>
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.168760899854242.43881.168751139855218&type=3
This is a PARTIAL photo diary of recently sold machines. Danielle has
been with us nine months. You count, if you're capable of counting past
your fingers & toes.
>
> You don't have much impact at all, just annoying for your price and pimp
> status of your family members for market exposure.
always been local college girls who model "for hire," not family
members. Just because you lust after your own family members does not
require the rest of us to do the same. Get over it.
>
> You got a lot of suckers lined up, and they feel the pain immediately
> after they get edumicated on the actual value of the over priced POS
> they just bought.
>
happens a lot is they buy their first pin from us, listen to some
jackass like you & buy their second elsewhere, (which we quickly get
service calls for) and then, they buy from us again. The only "suckers"
I have lined up are your mom, sister, wife, & daughter - unless any of
those are duplicates.
>
> No, life in the hype business, of which pinball is not alone.
GameRoomCollectibles
Feb 10, 2012, 7:55:08 PM2/10/12
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On 2/10/2012 7:41 PM, metallik wrote:
>
> and yes, I am LMAO right now. It's like renting ten movies and
> complaining you lack the time to watch them all.
>
> YOU control what you see. YOU keep clicking this thread.. no one is
> forcing you to do so. This isn't rocket science. If you don't want
> to see the clutter, don't click on it.
>
> ...still LMAO :)
>
Keep watching. Somebody's going to blow a gasket soon. I can feel it! :)
>
> and yes, I am LMAO right now. It's like renting ten movies and
> complaining you lack the time to watch them all.
>
> YOU control what you see. YOU keep clicking this thread.. no one is
> forcing you to do so. This isn't rocket science. If you don't want
> to see the clutter, don't click on it.
>
> ...still LMAO :)
>
David Gersic
Feb 10, 2012, 8:50:16 PM2/10/12
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:33:53 -0500, GameRoomCollectibles <gameroomco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are my standards too high?
I don't think one's standards can ever be too high. But, yes, there are
> Are my standards too high?
many selling overpriced games in not nearly as good a condition as they
are represented to be. That's one of the many reasons I only buy games
that are "projects" or worse. I'd rather do the work myself, know how
it was done, and that I won't have to tear somebody else's hacks apart
to fix them the right way.
--
| David Gersic http://www.zaccaria-pinball.com |
| Hello, MIS - What does RING BEACONING mean? |
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Frank Furhter
Feb 10, 2012, 10:50:04 PM2/10/12
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Frank Furhter
Feb 10, 2012, 11:00:40 PM2/10/12
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David Gersic wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:33:53 -0500, GameRoomCollectibles<gameroomco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Are my standards too high?
>
> I don't think one's standards can ever be too high. But, yes, there are
> many selling overpriced games in not nearly as good a condition as they
> are represented to be. That's one of the many reasons I only buy games
> that are "projects" or worse. I'd rather do the work myself, know how
> it was done, and that I won't have to tear somebody else's hacks apart
> to fix them the right way.
Sure standards can be too high, when they no longer are serving a
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:33:53 -0500, GameRoomCollectibles<gameroomco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Are my standards too high?
>
> I don't think one's standards can ever be too high. But, yes, there are
> many selling overpriced games in not nearly as good a condition as they
> are represented to be. That's one of the many reasons I only buy games
> that are "projects" or worse. I'd rather do the work myself, know how
> it was done, and that I won't have to tear somebody else's hacks apart
> to fix them the right way.
reasonable amount of the people or purpose for which they were created.
I agree about projects, I only buy them as well, yet I don't get all
fucked up beyond reason about the condition of the result. Each project
is unique and has a stopping point which its 'fine' and 'ok'.
The 'right way' is a moving target each time, but I get there is a
standard which you want to meet and appreciate it. Each one is a child,
a project, an aging thing. They won't last forever, they like us will
die. Do your best, and move on.
GameroomCollectibles
Feb 10, 2012, 11:40:32 PM2/10/12
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>
> Agreed, his 15 minutes of fame are now 16 minutes over.
tomorrow. By the way, your opinion & comments are exceedingly
irrelevant. Just in case you didn't know. Probably the story of your life...
Flambo
Feb 10, 2012, 11:52:07 PM2/10/12
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metallik;1882245 Wrote:
> > Some of you need to seriously get a grip. *I haven't been here long,
--
Flambo
seeburg220
Feb 10, 2012, 11:59:06 PM2/10/12
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On Feb 10, 2:52 pm, Doriguin <dorig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
go somewhere else and quit
> bitching about it through a modem.
>
WTF is a modem ? LMFAO !
go somewhere else and quit
> bitching about it through a modem.
>
Frank Furhter
Feb 11, 2012, 12:15:40 AM2/11/12
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ignoring them. However, your knee jerkoff reaction without a doubt is
proof that you know your 'fame' is over. You have become exactly what
you accuse me of being, irrelevant.
Steve
Feb 11, 2012, 12:38:58 AM2/11/12
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On Feb 10, 9:33 am, GameRoomCollectibles
>
> -Mike
> GRC
I have now gone to the point that when I put out my ads that I am
wanting to buy
certain types of games, I DO NOT and I REPEAT, I DO NOT use any type
of
ebay ad as a reference for or against why and what I will pay for a
game.
I state from the get go that Ebay is not anywhere close to anything
that I use for pricing and
if the seller keeps going back to an Ebay ad to give themselves
ammuntion, I have ended up
walking away every time.
I had a guy five weeks ago reference an ebay ad as to why he wanted
1995.00 for an EM
that had no chance being perfect or superior and above. (by the way,
he still sits on it)
I just dont' know why Ebay and the Restoration TV Shows are what the
general public
keep using for a "ruler".
My 2 Cents
--Steve
<gameroomcollectib...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So I'm beginning to understand why so many people are quick to call us
> overpriced. Several established perceptions in this "business" may be
> right or wrong, but here's one that grinds my gears. Misrepresentation!
>
> We're getting ready to present what, in my opinion, is a "nice"
> FunHouse. It was sold to its previous owner as another infamous "high
> end restoration." Sure, it has new cabinet decals - big deal. So now I'm
> into my 3rd full day of cleaning, fixing, & un-hacking. Dead giveaway at
> first glance, several slotted screws meandering around the playfield.
> Blatantly wrong hardware, as you may know by now, is another of my pet
> peeves, but I digress.
>
> Anyway, for "market price" investigation, off I go to eBay's recently
> completed listings & I find this "High End Restoration!" piece:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Funhouse-Pinball-Machine-High-End-Restoration...
>
> Scrolling through the photos I first notice two missing switch covers,
> not a big deal. Then I see a crappy looking lockdown receiver. Okay, not
> "high end" but no major disasters noticed yet. Then I see the coin
> door??!? WTF? If people, you people, other people, whoever accepts this
> as a "High End Restoration!" no wonder you think we're overpriced. I'd
> evaluate that pin (with it's guaranteed hidden pile-o-problems) as
> brutally average. Are my standards too high?
> So I'm beginning to understand why so many people are quick to call us
> overpriced. Several established perceptions in this "business" may be
> right or wrong, but here's one that grinds my gears. Misrepresentation!
>
> We're getting ready to present what, in my opinion, is a "nice"
> FunHouse. It was sold to its previous owner as another infamous "high
> end restoration." Sure, it has new cabinet decals - big deal. So now I'm
> into my 3rd full day of cleaning, fixing, & un-hacking. Dead giveaway at
> first glance, several slotted screws meandering around the playfield.
> Blatantly wrong hardware, as you may know by now, is another of my pet
> peeves, but I digress.
>
> Anyway, for "market price" investigation, off I go to eBay's recently
> completed listings & I find this "High End Restoration!" piece:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Funhouse-Pinball-Machine-High-End-Restoration...
>
> Scrolling through the photos I first notice two missing switch covers,
> not a big deal. Then I see a crappy looking lockdown receiver. Okay, not
> "high end" but no major disasters noticed yet. Then I see the coin
> door??!? WTF? If people, you people, other people, whoever accepts this
> as a "High End Restoration!" no wonder you think we're overpriced. I'd
> evaluate that pin (with it's guaranteed hidden pile-o-problems) as
>
> -Mike
> GRC
I have now gone to the point that when I put out my ads that I am
wanting to buy
certain types of games, I DO NOT and I REPEAT, I DO NOT use any type
of
ebay ad as a reference for or against why and what I will pay for a
game.
I state from the get go that Ebay is not anywhere close to anything
that I use for pricing and
if the seller keeps going back to an Ebay ad to give themselves
ammuntion, I have ended up
walking away every time.
I had a guy five weeks ago reference an ebay ad as to why he wanted
1995.00 for an EM
that had no chance being perfect or superior and above. (by the way,
he still sits on it)
I just dont' know why Ebay and the Restoration TV Shows are what the
general public
keep using for a "ruler".
My 2 Cents
--Steve
Frank Furhter
Feb 11, 2012, 12:59:47 AM2/11/12
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Steve wrote:
> On Feb 10, 9:33 am, GameRoomCollectibles
> <gameroomcollectib...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> So I'm beginning to understand why so many people are quick to call us
>> overpriced. Several established perceptions in this "business" may be
>> right or wrong, but here's one that grinds my gears. Misrepresentation!
>>
>> We're getting ready to present what, in my opinion, is a "nice"
>> FunHouse. It was sold to its previous owner as another infamous "high
>> end restoration." Sure, it has new cabinet decals - big deal. So now I'm
>> into my 3rd full day of cleaning, fixing,& un-hacking. Dead giveaway at
> On Feb 10, 9:33 am, GameRoomCollectibles
> <gameroomcollectib...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> So I'm beginning to understand why so many people are quick to call us
>> overpriced. Several established perceptions in this "business" may be
>> right or wrong, but here's one that grinds my gears. Misrepresentation!
>>
>> We're getting ready to present what, in my opinion, is a "nice"
>> FunHouse. It was sold to its previous owner as another infamous "high
>> end restoration." Sure, it has new cabinet decals - big deal. So now I'm
>> first glance, several slotted screws meandering around the playfield.
>> Blatantly wrong hardware, as you may know by now, is another of my pet
>> peeves, but I digress.
>>
>> Anyway, for "market price" investigation, off I go to eBay's recently
>> completed listings& I find this "High End Restoration!" piece:
>> Blatantly wrong hardware, as you may know by now, is another of my pet
>> peeves, but I digress.
>>
>> Anyway, for "market price" investigation, off I go to eBay's recently
Media drives beliefs, the power of the word. You are right, anyone
quoting for justication FleeceBay 'unreality' or Pinball Rescue 200%
restoration pricing is nuts and should be avoided.
glen
Feb 11, 2012, 3:24:39 AM2/11/12
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Gotta love Frank's posts today, as usual he is right on the money.
I am sure that the Pinball Pimp's daughter is ready and available for
less money than his high priced pins, but she would probably be
overpriced as well. :D
Glen
Frank Furhter.;1881922 Wrote:
>
> Pimp Daddy
> Wanna be pin up
> Lame calendar demand
> No boobs (guys want boobs, and most girls do too)
> Very high unrealistic pricing (using eSlaw for cheap advert)
> Pissed community (get over it)
> Pissy attitude (yep, again get over it)
> Gouging (seriously?)
> Trying to establish himself as high quality (kinda hard to argue)
>
> I'd say if you don't like this klown then don't surf his shop/products.
> If you like the daughter of his then go get some, I can't believe the
> pin pimp would mind as long as the price is right. If you can't wait
> for the calendar then take his photos of her and put one together
> yourself (calendar programs online are a dime a dozen).
> Move on to next topic of interest.
--
glen
JohninIndiana
Feb 11, 2012, 5:36:16 AM2/11/12
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Flambo said
Not me!
Wait a minute, I clearly requested less cloths on the model, and I have
yet to get my wish, I can feel some bitching coming......
--
JohninIndiana
Wait a minute, I clearly requested less cloths on the model, and I have
yet to get my wish, I can feel some bitching coming......
--
JohninIndiana
GameroomCollectibles
Feb 11, 2012, 9:03:02 AM2/11/12
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annoying you. I suspect a herd of folks who have experience with you are
enjoying that along with me. If not, I'll enjoy it by myself. Today's
off to a great start! :)
Frank Furhter
Feb 11, 2012, 9:49:01 AM2/11/12
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I am, of which I must be reacting/posting to try and become relevant.
Its quite simple, we are both irrelevant except to each other. Now,
what I find very interesting is that you are a guy conducting
'business', family man or not, pimp or not, pins or not. I have all the
time in the world, you claim you don't with 12 hour days. Why the fuck
are you posting other than being irrelevant and having more time than
you claim. Oh, the fun factor, yes, its here. Last word in wins.
Nevus
Feb 11, 2012, 9:55:50 AM2/11/12
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Wasn't this thread just a rant about misleading claims for pins being
"real nice Clark"?
As for GRC pricing, seems about right for a retail shop with overhead,
warranties etc. If I lived close, I would be in all the time. Probably
buy some from him and some not from him. People vote with their
wallet. If he was an unreasonable businessman, he would be out of
business.
"real nice Clark"?
As for GRC pricing, seems about right for a retail shop with overhead,
warranties etc. If I lived close, I would be in all the time. Probably
buy some from him and some not from him. People vote with their
wallet. If he was an unreasonable businessman, he would be out of
business.
seeburg220
Feb 11, 2012, 10:06:43 AM2/11/12
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> You keep reacting because you don't want to be irrelevant like you claim
> I am, of which I must be reacting/posting to try and become relevant.
And you keep reacting, because you are an egomaniac, or perhaps, just
> I am, of which I must be reacting/posting to try and become relevant.
a maniac.
> Its quite simple, we are both irrelevant except to each other.
Why the fuck are you posting other than being irrelevant and having
more time than
> you claim.
another thread, for using the F-word.
Frank Furhter
Feb 11, 2012, 12:41:38 PM2/11/12
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Good for him to have bodies playing showing interest, and good for your
wallet too.
Frank Furhter
Feb 11, 2012, 12:43:03 PM2/11/12
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win the last word in threat award. But you lose, why is that?
seeburg220
Feb 11, 2012, 1:08:33 PM2/11/12
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> SeeTurd, you respond to a thread driving down to irrelevant, as if to
> win the last word in threat award. But you lose, why is that?
I love you Man.
> win the last word in threat award. But you lose, why is that?
Ron, (Boatcat)
Feb 11, 2012, 1:40:18 PM2/11/12
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> I just dont' know why Ebay and the Restoration TV Shows
> are what the general public keep using for a "ruler".
> anyone quoting FleeceBay 'unreality' or Pinball Rescue
> are what the general public keep using for a "ruler".
> 200% restoration pricing is nuts and should be avoided.
It's an obscure item no one
knows too much about outside of the
hobby, not stupidity. Many don't
think about asking around, or know
of any outlets, or that a price
guide exists, but do know about Ebay
and find the high-end sellers first
on a quick net search.
Take the price guide with you.
If nothing else, it'll be a reality
check to that person selling his EM,
that an actual guide listing his
identical machine is published. I've
had some success with this.
GameRoomCollectibles
Feb 11, 2012, 2:00:40 PM2/11/12
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Unfortunately, nobody, & I mean nobody views the guide as anywhere near
accurate. Frankly, the guide is a joke. The way they calculate values is
flawed beyond description. Nice tool to use if you want to steal a
machine from some rookie, I suppose.
Frank Furhter
Feb 11, 2012, 2:03:38 PM2/11/12
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pinball of interest, put your own quoted prices in there (easy to scan
at high resolution, easy to modify with any image editing program) and
print that out and place it in the 'guide instead'. Let the unknown
stupid ass seller figure that one out for themselves as well. Its
simple, they want to screw you out of money, the shows are selling
advertising and want to screw you out of money, so maybe its time buyers
fought back.
Frank Furhter
Feb 11, 2012, 2:05:27 PM2/11/12
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GameRoomCollectibles wrote:
> Whenever buying a machine, I always attempt to go "price guide."
> Unfortunately, nobody, & I mean nobody views the guide as anywhere near
> accurate. Frankly, the guide is a joke. The way they calculate values is
> flawed beyond description. Nice tool to use if you want to steal a
> machine from some rookie, I suppose.
So is a weapon of choice.
> Whenever buying a machine, I always attempt to go "price guide."
> Unfortunately, nobody, & I mean nobody views the guide as anywhere near
> accurate. Frankly, the guide is a joke. The way they calculate values is
> flawed beyond description. Nice tool to use if you want to steal a
> machine from some rookie, I suppose.
GameRoomCollectibles
Feb 11, 2012, 2:12:41 PM2/11/12
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do I ever say "you're machine is worth what this book says." If book
value represents anything accurately, it's for perhaps a complete but
not working, rough project machine. In other news, I sure do wish you'd
stop in our shop so I can stick my weapon of choice in your big mouth.
GameRoomCollectibles
Feb 11, 2012, 2:16:13 PM2/11/12
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ceases to amaze me.
Frank Furhter
Feb 11, 2012, 3:10:22 PM2/11/12
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for the buyer by changing the values. Have it in hand, and 'reference'
it for the dumb. Even change the date to 'new in 2013'. I mean
seriously, its a hammer for some, make it a sledge for yourself.
Just boilin' down for the ignorant, that are rarely unceasing in amazement.
Dolsen
Feb 11, 2012, 3:20:48 PM2/11/12
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On Feb 10, 9:33 am, GameRoomCollectibles
<gameroomcollectib...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So I'm beginning to understand why so many people are quick to call us
> overpriced. Several established perceptions in this "business" may be
> right or wrong, but here's one that grinds my gears. Misrepresentation!
>
> We're getting ready to present what, in my opinion, is a "nice"
> FunHouse. It was sold to its previous owner as another infamous "high
> end restoration." Sure, it has new cabinet decals - big deal. So now I'm
> into my 3rd full day of cleaning, fixing, & un-hacking. Dead giveaway at
<gameroomcollectib...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So I'm beginning to understand why so many people are quick to call us
> overpriced. Several established perceptions in this "business" may be
> right or wrong, but here's one that grinds my gears. Misrepresentation!
>
> We're getting ready to present what, in my opinion, is a "nice"
> FunHouse. It was sold to its previous owner as another infamous "high
> end restoration." Sure, it has new cabinet decals - big deal. So now I'm
> first glance, several slotted screws meandering around the playfield.
> Blatantly wrong hardware, as you may know by now, is another of my pet
> peeves, but I digress.
>
> Anyway, for "market price" investigation, off I go to eBay's recently
> completed listings & I find this "High End Restoration!" piece:
> Blatantly wrong hardware, as you may know by now, is another of my pet
> peeves, but I digress.
>
> Anyway, for "market price" investigation, off I go to eBay's recently
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Funhouse-Pinball-Machine-High-End-Restoration...
>
> Scrolling through the photos I first notice two missing switch covers,
> not a big deal. Then I see a crappy looking lockdown receiver. Okay, not
> "high end" but no major disasters noticed yet. Then I see the coin
> door??!? WTF? If people, you people, other people, whoever accepts this
> as a "High End Restoration!" no wonder you think we're overpriced. I'd
> evaluate that pin (with it's guaranteed hidden pile-o-problems) as
> brutally average. Are my standards too high?
>
> -Mike
> GRC
Let me know if you need the proper screws for your restorations. I
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Funhouse-Pinball-Machine-High-End-Restoration...
>
> Scrolling through the photos I first notice two missing switch covers,
> not a big deal. Then I see a crappy looking lockdown receiver. Okay, not
> "high end" but no major disasters noticed yet. Then I see the coin
> door??!? WTF? If people, you people, other people, whoever accepts this
> as a "High End Restoration!" no wonder you think we're overpriced. I'd
> evaluate that pin (with it's guaranteed hidden pile-o-problems) as
> brutally average. Are my standards too high?
>
> -Mike
> GRC
have some very high end phillips-based technology that I will let you
have for $8/each.
glen
Feb 11, 2012, 4:58:11 PM2/11/12
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I do not think the Pinball Pimp needs any more screws, as he has already
screwed more people than a Porn Star. :D
Glen
Dolsen;1882754 Wrote:
>
> Let me know if you need the proper screws for your restorations. I
> have some very high end phillips-based technology that I will let you
> have for $8/each.
Frank Furhter
Feb 11, 2012, 5:09:44 PM2/11/12
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glen wrote:
> I do not think the Pinball Pimp needs any more screws, as he has already
> screwed more people than a Porn Star. :D
>
> Glen
>
> Dolsen;1882754 Wrote:
>>
>> Let me know if you need the proper screws for your restorations. I
>> have some very high end phillips-based technology that I will let you
>> have for $8/each.
Maybe he should be renamed pinpron.com :)
> I do not think the Pinball Pimp needs any more screws, as he has already
> screwed more people than a Porn Star. :D
>
> Glen
>
> Dolsen;1882754 Wrote:
>>
>> Let me know if you need the proper screws for your restorations. I
>> have some very high end phillips-based technology that I will let you
>> have for $8/each.
Doriguin
Feb 11, 2012, 7:51:20 PM2/11/12
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Ballsack...
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Doriguin
ChevelleSSguy
Feb 12, 2012, 2:59:07 AM2/12/12
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The real question for Gameroomcollectibles is would you really pay YOUR
own prices for a game thats for sale? I dont think so. Lets face it. No
matter how many back and fourth conversations go on here in this thread.
Your prices are WAY beyond overpriced and to come up with excuses on why
is just backpedaling over the obvious fact that your well over market
value. Which this subject on you guys has been well discussed on this
forum and a few others. Sell for whatever you want but its time you get
it through your head. If your trying to make money on some machine you
worked on that you already paid over market value (which I highly
doubt), then you only have yourselves to blame when you get the pinball
community coming down on you for insane, rediculous prices.
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ChevelleSSguy
BangbackBetty
Feb 12, 2012, 5:15:24 AM2/12/12
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ChevelleSSguy
Feb 12, 2012, 11:08:59 PM2/12/12
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BangbackBetty;1883055 Wrote:
> ridiculous
Fine, you go and pay those prices all you want then. Its your money.
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