pinrepair.com replacement
PinballWizard
as a wiki format so anyone can contribute. I now ask that anyone who
can, please contribute your info that you may have
Borygard
some time.
--
Rob Anthony
Pinball Classics
http://LockWhenLit.com
Quality Board Work - In Home Service
314-766-4587
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PapaJohn
> Excellent idea!! I'll be contributing as much as I can as soon as I get
> some time.
>
> --
> Rob Anthony
>
> news:617357498325172410.190...@newsfeed.aioe.org...
>
>
>
> >I have setup a replacement to Clay's guides at pinwiki.com, it is setup
> > as a wiki format so anyone can contribute. I now ask that anyone who
>
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Thanks Mr. pinballWizard. I for one am still learning how to repair
pins, been in the hobby for about four years. It would be a great
service to us. And thanks to Rob as well. John
GaryTheNoTrashCougar
Amazing idea! Thanks
--Scott
PinballWizard
want to reference that is fine but These need to be written from scratch
djcharlie17
Regardless of where Clay's guides land... more info is ALWAYS
better. :-)
Charlie
http://www.spookypinball.com
Todd Newman
I am not all that familiar with Wiki's, so I have a few questions:
1. How do we know these will remain in the public domian?
2. Will hosting/bandwidth become an issue?
3. Who will referee things like: To lube or not to lube? Sharpie or
no Sharpie? etc. ie, who decides what is "right"?
4. Who referees potential copyright issues?
I think it is a great idea, I would just hate to put a bunch of work
into it, then find out we are re-screwed down to road due to some of
the issues that have recently been brought out with the other guides.
Thanks.
PinballWizard
I haven't yet finished the Copyright text info, but any content posted
will be and always is public domain.
I own a hosting company so that isn't an issue. Costs are minimal to me.
Referees are being looked into for who will be acceptable for the job. I
will only be accepting people who can but unbiased on the subject. The "
to lube or no to lube" debates will be presented of both sides of the
story, and hopefully leaving it up to the reader to choose.
Steve Kulpa
So explain to me how to embed photos. I tried to embed a link to my
photos, but it just shows the link. How do I make it so the photo
becomes part of the article?
Also, I'm not sure if I'm doing the header level right, but like you
said - it's a work in progress...
steve
---
Steve Kulpa (cargpb10)
Nolensville, TN
http://stevekulpa.net/pinball/pinball.htm - Pinball
http://stevekulpa.net/pinrepair/pinrepair.htm - Repair
http://stevekulpa.net/faces/rgpidx.htm - Faces
PinballWizard
I see how you have it and it should work. Problem is that I don't
currently have external images turned on. You can either upload it to
pinwiki using the upload button on the sidebar or I will turn on
external images here soon
--
PinWiki.com, The New Place For Everything Pinball
Todd Newman
>
> - Show quoted text -
OK, so I signed up for an account. I noticed the disclaimer that
whatever you submit can be edited mercilessly. What is to prevent a
troll/hater from removing your post and replacing it with, say, an
advertisement for gold as an investment, russian mail order bride ads
or some MLM program?
I guess really, if I put 4 hours into an article and somebody just
pulls it off at a whim, I won't be too happy. Are there any checks
and balances on this?
Again, coming from a point of ignorance on Wiki's
Also, I was thinking that to get started I may just link to some old
things I put up on the web. Would this be appropriate?
Thanks.
PinballWizard
The nice thing with wikis is that I as an admin can rollback edits, so
if someone edits it crazily I can roll it back to good info.
I'd prefer info to be put onto the wiki but if you want to link it put
{{category:Linked}} at the bottom of the page.
stangbat
newmantjn, Wikis keep all past revisions so anything you input can be
restored. Any registered user can make changes and revisions, so expect
things to change and evolve over time. The moderators are the gate
keepers, but usually decisions as to what content to keep/remove are put
up to vote and a consensus is reached. In a nutshell, that is how
Wikipedia works.
--
stangbat
This USENET post sent from http://rgparchive.com
PinballWizard
place the link to it now. I'd prefer that down the road, images get
uploaded to pinwiki but for now it's fine.
Pinthetic
before?
Mario
Pinthetic
On Apr 22, 8:07 am, PinballWizard <pinw...@pinwiki.com> wrote:
> Steve Kulpa <steveku...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 22, 8:41 am, PinballWizard <pinw...@pinwiki.com> wrote:
> > > I have setup a replacement to Clay's guides at pinwiki.com, it is
> > > setup
> > > as a wiki format so anyone can contribute. I now ask that anyone who
> > > can, please contribute your info that you may have
>
> > So explain to me how to embed photos. I tried to embed a link to my
> > photos, but it just shows the link. How do I make it so the photo
> > becomes part of the article?
>
> > Also, I'm not sure if I'm doing the header level right, but like you
> > said - it's a work in progress...
>
> > steve
> > ---
> > Steve Kulpa (cargpb10)
> > Nolensville, TN
> >http://stevekulpa.net/pinball/pinball.htm- Pinball
> >http://stevekulpa.net/pinrepair/pinrepair.htm- Repair
> >http://stevekulpa.net/faces/rgpidx.htm - Faces
>
> Issue fixed, to get an externally linked image to work you just have to
> place the link to it now. I'd prefer that down the road, images get
> uploaded to pinwiki but for now it's fine.
>
> --
> PinWiki.com, The New Place For Everything Pinball- Hide quoted text -
Pinthetic
Mario
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Steve Kulpa
> Steve Kulpa <steveku...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 22, 8:41 am, PinballWizard <pinw...@pinwiki.com> wrote:
> > > I have setup a replacement to Clay's guides at pinwiki.com, it is
> > > setup
> > > as a wiki format so anyone can contribute. I now ask that anyone who
> > > can, please contribute your info that you may have
>
> > So explain to me how to embed photos. I tried to embed a link to my
> > photos, but it just shows the link. How do I make it so the photo
> > becomes part of the article?
>
> > Also, I'm not sure if I'm doing the header level right, but like you
> > said - it's a work in progress...
>
> > steve
> > ---
> > Steve Kulpa (cargpb10)
> > Nolensville, TN
> >http://stevekulpa.net/pinball/pinball.htm- Pinball
> >http://stevekulpa.net/faces/rgpidx.htm - Faces
>
> Issue fixed, to get an externally linked image to work you just have to
> place the link to it now. I'd prefer that down the road, images get
> uploaded to pinwiki but for now it's fine.
>
> --
>
> - Show quoted text -
never mind - I figured out the header level stuff ("=")
steve
homebrood
Get ready to start rolling back edits, I can see WestCoastSS to be a
major contributor. Repair supplies required will now include some
interensting new materials including pubic hair and dog poo...
Tom
PinballWizard
Steve,
I fixed some of your images but to get the new ones your adding right
now to work just put the link and nothing more. You can see what I
edited as an example.
chuck
Being a wiki how will you prevent trolls/spammers from changing posts
or creating viagra ads? One of the things I think we should do is to
have multiple redundant copies of any new repair site in case one site
goes down or the new host develops a God complex ;-) A few other nice-
to-have features would be searching (the wiki format would take care
of this.) Properly formatted printable pages would be very helpful. As
far as hosting I'm willing to be a redundant host.
PinballWizard
I have the ability to roll back and undo and damages. Wikis keep all
revisions stored and with one click, I can undo any edit. You can already
search pinwiki.com, but as ring now you better be looking for early
Bally/stern info ;)
MitchelWB
also.
First, everyone that's interested or doesn't know what exactly a wiki
is... take a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki
Second, will there be any posts or discussion about guidelines? For
example: Clays guides referenced with links to various online
retailers that sold products. Should these wikis not point to those
retailers, but maybe have a separate section to describe the various
retailers? (I'm not saying this is how it should be done, just using
it as an example.)
Third, it looks like your categories are set up pretty similar to
Clay's guides. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but his guides were
VERY long even when broken up over 2 or three files. Should there be
some subcategorization going on to make management of data, and
especially, locating data easier? I know you've asked for this to be
new data, not copy pasta from Clays site, and I think that that's
wise. Wouldn't this also be a good time to look at ways to break down
the table of contents a little better as well?
I'm all for this idea. I love it. I wanted to create a wiki a long
time ago, but it sounds like you have much better resources for
setting this up than anyone. Thank you!
MitchelWB
chuck
> I have the ability to roll back and undo and damages. Wikis keep all
> revisions stored and with one click, I can undo any edit.
That's the only problem with a wiki. Given RGP's population reversing
troll posts could, probably will, be a full-time job.
PinballWizard
I am up for any reformatting anyone wants to do. I was rushing to set this
up and think that after things settle in, we can go back and format the
information better. Again, it's a wiki so anybody who wants to edit it can.
Steve Kulpa
How about a tutorial for use wiki-newbs that don't know how to do
stuff, like break a line without adding a blank line under it, etc.
Like this
and this
not this
and this
steve
---
Steve Kulpa (cargpb10)
Nolensville, TN
http://stevekulpa.net/pinball/pinball.htm - Pinball
http://stevekulpa.net/pinrepair/pinrepair.htm - Repair
http://stevekulpa.net/faces/rgpidx.htm - Faces
PinballWizard
True, if it becomes a problem, I guess we will have to lock it down on
editing, where only approved members will be allowed to edit. Unless you
have a better solution to restrict info without crushing the idea of it.
PinballWizard
Currently typing that up. I have quickly realized most have not dealt with
wikis before.
Steve Kulpa
Why not just do that anyways instead of waiting for a problem to
happen?
Steve Kulpa
> Steve Kulpa <steveku...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 22, 8:41 am, PinballWizard <pinw...@pinwiki.com> wrote:
> >> I have setup a replacement to Clay's guides at pinwiki.com, it is setup
> >> as a wiki format so anyone can contribute. I now ask that anyone who
> >> can, please contribute your info that you may have
>
> > How about a tutorial for use wiki-newbs that don't know how to do
> > stuff, like break a line without adding a blank line under it, etc.
>
> > Like this
> > and this
>
> > not this
>
> > and this
>
> > steve
> > ---
> > Steve Kulpa (cargpb10)
> > Nolensville, TN
> >http://stevekulpa.net/pinball/pinball.htm- Pinball
> >http://stevekulpa.net/faces/rgpidx.htm - Faces
>
> Currently typing that up. I have quickly realized most have not dealt with
> wikis before.
>
> --
>
> - Show quoted text -
too bad it doesn't take html tags...
and it still won't let me upload photos directly - I get some error
creating the thumbnail - like "can't run external program xxx in safe
mode" or something like that. So for now, I'll just use external
links and let you fix them later. :-)
thanks for doing this, now I'll get NO work done today (real work that
is)
PinballWizard
I feel that if I cripple editing access right now, the guides and other
info will never flourish. I think once we are setup good in the guides I
will lock them and then any info that wants to be added will be done so by
submitting it to a moderator for content check
Pinthetic
pounded. I didn't see that coming but there are a lot of dedicated
pinheads here so I am not surprised. What I am telling everyone is
that we will wait and see where this goes. There is still a lot of you
who are indicating that we have a dedicated site despite this effort.
In this post alone many reasons to have a dedicated site is preferable
as there are bugs with "wiki". I see no reason yet to abandon that
concept regardless of what the "wiki" situation ends up being. It's
still a somewhat free country.
Thanks to PinballWizard for jumping in and getting something going
right now for the masses.
Think about it...we are a family...we even have black sheep...but we
are still a family :-)
Mario
Pinthetic
On Apr 22, 9:04 am, PinballWizard <pinw...@pinwiki.com> wrote:
> Steve Kulpa <steveku...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 22, 10:54 am, PinballWizard <pinw...@pinwiki.com> wrote:
> >> chuck <ch...@clhess.com> wrote:
> >>> On Apr 22, 11:43 am, PinballWizard <pinw...@pinwiki.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> I have the ability to roll back and undo and damages. Wikis keep all
> >>>> revisions stored and with one click, I can undo any edit.
>
> >>> That's the only problem with a wiki. Given RGP's population reversing
> >>> troll posts could, probably will, be a full-time job.
>
> >> True, if it becomes a problem, I guess we will have to lock it down on
> >> editing, where only approved members will be allowed to edit. Unless you
> >> have a better solution to restrict info without crushing the idea of it.
> >> --
> >> PinWiki.com, The New Place For Everything Pinball
>
> > Why not just do that anyways instead of waiting for a problem to
> > happen?
>
> > steve
> > ---
> > Steve Kulpa (cargpb10)
> > Nolensville, TN
> >http://stevekulpa.net/pinball/pinball.htm- Pinball
> >http://stevekulpa.net/pinrepair/pinrepair.htm- Repair
> >http://stevekulpa.net/faces/rgpidx.htm - Faces
>
> I feel that if I cripple editing access right now, the guides and other
> info will never flourish. I think once we are setup good in the guides I
> will lock them and then any info that wants to be added will be done so by
> submitting it to a moderator for content check
>
> --
Sparky
> > On Apr 22, 10:54 am, PinballWizard <pinw...@pinwiki.com> wrote:
> >> chuck <ch...@clhess.com> wrote:
> >>> On Apr 22, 11:43 am, PinballWizard <pinw...@pinwiki.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> I have the ability to roll back and undo and damages. Wikis keep all
> >>>> revisions stored and with one click, I can undo any edit.
>
> >>> That's the only problem with a wiki. Given RGP's population reversing
> >>> troll posts could, probably will, be a full-time job.
>
> >> True, if it becomes a problem, I guess we will have to lock it down on
> >> editing, where only approved members will be allowed to edit. Unless you
> >> have a better solution to restrict info without crushing the idea of it.
> >> --
> >> PinWiki.com, The New Place For Everything Pinball
>
> > Why not just do that anyways instead of waiting for a problem to
> > happen?
>
> > steve
> > ---
> > Steve Kulpa (cargpb10)
> > Nolensville, TN
> >http://stevekulpa.net/pinball/pinball.htm- Pinball
> >http://stevekulpa.net/faces/rgpidx.htm - Faces
>
> I feel that if I cripple editing access right now, the guides and other
> info will never flourish. I think once we are setup good in the guides I
> will lock them and then any info that wants to be added will be done so by
> submitting it to a moderator for content check
>
> --
>
> - Show quoted text -
I went to pinwiki.org and couldn't figure out why the info you guys
were talking about wasn't there. A lot of pinball information, but
nothing about repairs. Then I came back to this thread and realized
it's pinwiki.com, not pinwiki.org.
Mark Malmberg (Sparky) - Ceres, California
Dan Q very much
>
> Get ready to start rolling back edits, I can see WestCoastSS to be a
> major contributor. Repair supplies required will now include some
> interensting new materials including pubic hair and dog poo...
>
> Tom
Not only can edits be rolled back, any user can view the history to negate the vandalism as needed for their own perusal, and AFAIK users or IP addresses can be banned from editing for abuse.
Let the Great Pinball Paraphrasing of 2011 commence!
kbliznick
I think the initial draft of each of these documents should be the
work of 1-2 people to get the document fleshed out. Then fact checked
by another 2 before being released. And then after release it would
be open to mass editing. To allow that editing when only 20% of the
document is there will lead to duplication of effort, confusion,
disagreement.
What happens if 2 people are editing the doc at the same time? The
person who releases the copy second will override all the edits of the
first person.
I will continue to work with Mario to start a dedicated site.
James Barron
I just wanted to say thank you to PinballWizard for getting a jump
start on this to make sure there's a resource for folks who are new to
repair here and also thanks to Mario and Kbliznick for making sure
it's backed up elsewhere. The idea of a Wiki is perfect, I think, as
it allows folks to post things that they've discovered which can then
be spread about other websites as pinrepair.com did. We should be
focusing on keeping these machines alive and playable (yes, even you
Popeye though you're still the worst game I've ever played). Free
repair info promotes enthusiasm to folks like me and makes me think I
can fix anything even when I can't.
I couldn't have gotten my BOPP gogin again without the help of Clay's
guides along with several questions answered by Ken Layton, Lindsey
Rupertus, and Steve Kulpa. Thanks, dudes!
Free pinball!
chuck
I will help with any effort that allows the content to be distributed
among many hosting sites and provides a free use copyright. Short of
that we'll just be getting into the same situation we're already in.
As an aside Clay, I know you're reading this. Allow us to use the old
content from pinrepair.com with the caveat that any content used
references you as the source. It will save time and allow your work to
live on.
Tim N.
That would be huge....
Kerry Imming
> I have setup a replacement to Clay's guides at pinwiki.com, it is setup
> as a wiki format so anyone can contribute. I now ask that anyone who
> can, please contribute your info that you may have
Thank you for setting this up. I think it will be a bit wild until
the section outlines get in place, but then people can see what's
needed and possibly put a comment in that they're working on a section
and when they'll deliver it.
Did you have a prior ID that you posted to RGP under.. and/or would
you mind introducing yourself to the group?
- Kerry
James Barron
I'm going to be attempting a repair on a Recel pin soon. I'll take
plenty of photos and, hopefully, do little damage. That'll be a nice
addition, I think.
stevenp
PinballWizard;1680987 Wrote:
> I do ask that anyone who contributes does not copy Clay's guides. If
> you
> want to reference that is fine but These need to be written from
> scratch
Of course, if anyone has text and/or photos they previously contributed
to Clay's guides, there is no problem submitting that same info to the
pinwiki.
--
stevenp
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PinballWizard
> Did you have a prior ID that you posted to RGP under.. and/or would
> you mind introducing yourself to the group?
>
> - Kerry
I have never visited RGP before today. I'm active on KLOV and BYOAC. I came
here to promote PinWiki because several people from KLOV suggested it.
Kerry Imming
>
> I have never visited RGP before today. I'm active on KLOV and BYOAC. I came
> here to promote PinWiki because several people from KLOV suggested it.
>
> --
> PinWiki.com, The New Place For Everything Pinball
Well then... Welcome to rec.games.pinball!
For your welcome gift I put a sample of common formatting out in the
wiki HELP page:
http://www.pinwiki.com/index.php?title=Help:Contents
- Kerry
PinballWizard
let's me focus on setting more up on the site.
Josh Lehan - Krellan
> I have setup a replacement to Clay's guides at pinwiki.com, it is setup
> as a wiki format so anyone can contribute. I now ask that anyone who
> can, please contribute your info that you may have
That's a great idea! I was just about to suggest the same thing.
I would advise placing the entire site under something like the "GNU
Free Documentation License". That will guarantee that the content
remains free, and accessible, while still giving you the teeth of
copyright protection should you need it in the future.
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/fdl.html
With this license in place, if your site goes down for whatever
reason, others can quickly post a new copy of it and remain legally in
the clear, without needing to track everybody down and ask their
permission individually. Another good thing about this license is
that it keeps the knowledge free *and* protects you against somebody
else trying to print out and sell your work as if it was theirs,
because it's still technically under copyright. It's basically the
same thing as how open source software (Linux, LibreOffice, etc.)
work, and how they can remain free, while still legally protecting
themselves against somebody trying to rip them off in the future.
This gives people the motivation to want to contribute something to
the site, because they'll feel protected against their work being
taken commercial in the future.
I'm not good at mechanical types of repairs, but could write something
up about how pinball software works and what makes a game good to
play. It might help a lot of games I've seen in the past at the shows
that were mechanically perfect and cosmetically beautiful, but somehow
still not fun to play, simply due to lack of knowledge about what
makes a good playing game.
The best thing about all this is that it ensures that pinball
knowledge will be preserved going forward, which is a big concern
among many people in the hobby, as the average age of the typical
pinball collector keeps increasing....
Josh
PinballWizard
It is under the same license as Wikipedia, essentially protecting while
still allowing other to duplicate it safely.
If you can contribute anything even software info, go for it. These things
are great for the site. I want repair guides but am not limiting it to
that.
PinballWizard
Steve,
I got image uploads working now. The problem was missing server software.
PinballWizard
replacement to pin repair.com and that is inaccurate. As much as some hate
Clay, he has contributed information as well as time to the pinball
community that many have not. I do not want to replace pin repair.com, I'd
much rather live together. Like the man or not he has given a wealth of
information to the community and with the title I started this with, I feel
I may have crossed the line. Again, I apologize for that.
cody chunn
The Clay works in mysterious ways.
All hail the Great and Powerful Clay.
-cody
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Kerry Imming
> The Clay giveth, and the Clay taketh away.
>
> The Clay works in mysterious ways.
>
Well, if pinrepair.com is resurrected on Easter Sunday I'll be a
believer.
- Kerry
PT
Sounds like a great idea that should have been started years ago. I
would like to contribute. I have a few things that were already in
the guides plus a few other goodies.
Might this be a good place to merge the "shop out photo" sites too?
I think you might want to start approving posters/editors sooner than
later...
John
Jim D. in TN
> How about a tutorial for use wiki-newbs that don't know how to do
> stuff, like break a line without adding a blank line under it, etc.
This link provides info on using MS Word to create Wiki pages as well
as using MS Word to convert HTML pages to Wiki format.
Dr_Gonzo
> Might this be a good place to merge the "shop out photo" sites too?
>
> I think you might want to start approving posters/editors sooner than
> later...
>
> John
This is an excellent idea John. I see quite a few people post here
requesting shop out pics. It would be awesome to have them available
on the pinwiki site.
PinballWizard
I don't have to approve anyone, you just have to create an account. As for
shop out pics, go for it, it is a pinball related thing
Dr_Gonzo
> I don't have to approve anyone, you just have to create an account. As for
> shop out pics, go for it, it is a pinball related thing
> --
> PinWiki.com, The New Place For Everything Pinball
Damn, now I need something to shop.
I would prefer Andromeda. Who's got one for me? :-)
PinballWizard
thank all of you that have already contributed. The information there has
quickly grown, and I and glad to see such helpful people.