news from George Gomez
Damian Parrino
George Gomez. A new game is on the works. :)
I'll quote the whole message:
"""
* Subject: New comment (52) on "What do you have?"
Everything I've designed (Corvette, JM, NBA Fastbreak, Monster Bash,
RFM, Playboy, Sopranos, LOTR, Batman). Soon I will have the new Batman
Std. :-) The only game I own that I didn't do is T2. And in the
fall...a new game is coming that you guys don't know about yet. :-)
Posted by George Gomez
"""
regards,
Damian
MRG
So Gomez is doing the Fall game released by Stern?
Bingovit
Hell Yeah!
That's news I'm really looking forward too :-)
--Evert
machine.slave
Stern seems to be very secretive about the next game, I wonder what's
up their sleeve (please don't say a Golden Tee pin..)
- B
appetite4pinball
The playfield design layout that was up on the Stern Facebook page
(and then taken down) did have similar center inserts to Soprano's.
If i had to throw a guess out there i'd say that the new pin is a
George Gomez designed Avatar pin with a layout somewhat similiar to
Sopranos/LOTR? Just a guess though!
-Mike
Brian Munn
I get all mad at Stern. And now they give me a woody with this? (and
I don't mean wood rail)
Brian
Detroit Pinball
skbrothers
TRON
Brian Munn
>
> - Show quoted text -
What movies are due out in the fall?
Brian
Detroit Pinball
mnpinball
Looks like I need to start saving up.
Dan Q very much
date.
Coming late this fall:
last Harry Potter movie (Deathly Hollows) - hope not!
Tron: Legacy - THAT would be cool!
Green Hornet (VERY late fall, release is Dec 22, but the pin comes out
first so...) Superhero themes usually work!
If I was a betting man I'd lay odds on it being one of those three.
This is without any consideration of who owns what license, their
previous relationships with Stern, etc.
Brian Munn
Movies Due in the Fall/Winter timeframs:
- Resident Evil
- Tron
- Harry Potter
- Chron of Narnia
- Transformers
Brian
Detroit Pinball
Jonny_eh
I'll put my money on it being TRON: Legacy. Consider that Gomez worked
on the original Tron arcade game in the 80s :) (I think he designed
the controller)
gpsdrew
mnpinball
>
> - Show quoted text -
My bets are Tron. "unconfirmed"
The whole POTC license debacle is false news and Stern does and will
work with Disney again. "confirmed"
Brian Munn
Oh my god would a Green hornet pin be awesome. Way better than Tron.
But I think I agree with the masses that it is likely Tron.
Brian
Detroit Pinball
MRG
Gary says they must have 2 movies made or to be made to make a pin.
That leaves GH out.
seymour-shabow
> I think it's a bit late for Avatar, think closer to movie release
> date.
>
> Coming late this fall:
>
> last Harry Potter movie (Deathly Hollows) - hope not!
Stern really wanted the Harry Potter license, but apparently JK Rowling
doesn't like pinball.
> Tron: Legacy - THAT would be cool!
That would be cool since George was involved in the winning design for
the Tron video game back in the 80s.
> Green Hornet (VERY late fall, release is Dec 22, but the pin comes out
> first so...) Superhero themes usually work!
Doubtful Stern would pick this one up as Green Hornet is a 2nd or 3rd
tier superhero. The green hornet show from the 60s is really, really,
bad. Best part of it was the theme music.
-scott CARGPB#29
MHS
I think he designed the whole cabinet. The tron connection is enough
for me to put my money there.
Dan Q very much
I think we nailed it. Time will tell.
Stern, Disney, kiss and make nice!
Brian Munn
> Doubtful Stern would pick this one up as Green Hornet is a 2nd or 3rd
> tier superhero. The green hornet show from the 60s is really, really,
> bad. Best part of it was the theme music.
>
> -scott CARGPB#29
Are you kidding me? The best part of it was Kato (Bruce Lee)? He
stoled that show!
Brian
Detroit Pinball
appetite4pinball
Tron's a possibility, but my money is still on Avatar for the
following reasons:
1. 2 sequels in the works for Avatar plus the extended Special Edition
version of the first movie is being released in IMAX theaters this
fall.
2. Guaranteed success. Stern like's to go with the sure-thing
blockbuster hits with sequels. Tron could flop just as easy as it
could be a hit. Plus there won't be a lot of clips/material to work
with prior to the movie coming out.
I could be wrong, but i don't think it is too late for Avatar!
-Mike
jta...@aol.com
Show!
June 11-13 at Seattle Center
Saturday seminar schedule:
11:00-12:00 Steve Ritchie
12:00-1:00 Jim Schelberg
1:00-2:00 David Thiel
2:00-3:30 John Trudeau
3:30-4:30 Steve Wiebe
4:30-6:00 George Gomez
6:00-7:00 Walter Day
Dan Q very much
"Unobtainium"? Stoopid.
Evolved tail-to-whatever hookups? Stoopid.
The whole Avatar premise was also stoopid. Technologically unfeasible.
And even the greediest of humans/corporations would not lay waste to
those creatures like they did. That was horrible, and quite stoopid.
It was a fun couple of hours, but overall it was stoopid. I was glad
when it was over.
But money talks, I suppose. However, I just think Tron would be a
better theme for a pin.
Did I mention that I thought Avatar was stoopid?
seymour-shabow
Maybe it's because I grew up watching Batman on a channel that didn't
show Green hornet, so I never saw it until a couple years ago on some
cable station.
Isn't there supposed to be a superman re-reboot coming too? Maybe
they'll do that.... that's overdue for an update.
-scott CARGPB#29
Datafry
thought it would make a great pin theme.
Brian Munn
I actually like Smallville better than any of the Superman movies.
This season especially! They have attempted to give to much more of a
graphic novel feel to the cinematography.
Brian
Detroit Pinball
1st
mnpinball
Plus Tron has stood the test of time and with a killer looking
followup it looks very good.
All those geeks from the 80's now have $$ to buy a pin. Tron would be
the better theme IMHO of the 2.
Dan Q very much
> If it's Tron, I would put my down on one right now. I've always
> thought it would make a great pin theme.
eagle68
> So, I'm in a Linked.in pinball group, and yesterday I see a post from
> George Gomez. A new game is on the works. :)
>
> I'll quote the whole message:
>
> """
> * Subject: New comment (52) on "What do you have?"
>
> Everything I've designed (Corvette, JM, NBA Fastbreak, Monster Bash,
> RFM, Playboy, Sopranos, LOTR, Batman). Soon I will have the new Batman
> Std. :-) The only game I own that I didn't do is T2. And in the
> fall...a new game is coming that you guys don't know about yet. :-)
>
> Posted by George Gomez
> """
>
> regards,
> Damian
Put on your business hat, if you had your money invested and were
looking for a return, what would you do? Proven winner - Avatar all
the way !!! Not even close. IMO.
machine.slave
thaiisl...@yahoo.com
> So, I'm in a Linked.in pinball group, and yesterday I see a post from
> George Gomez. A new game is on the works. :)
>
> I'll quote the whole message:
>
> """
> * Subject: New comment (52) on "What do you have?"
>
> Everything I've designed (Corvette, JM, NBA Fastbreak, Monster Bash,
> RFM, Playboy, Sopranos, LOTR, Batman). Soon I will have the new Batman
> Std. :-) The only game I own that I didn't do is T2. And in the
> fall...a new game is coming that you guys don't know about yet. :-)
>
> Posted by George Gomez
> """
>
> regards,
> Damian
What the hell does he mean by Batman std.?????? Now for sure I am not
going to miss the George Gomez seminar at the NW pinball show in
Seattle next month. Woohoo??
Randy
MHS
> So, I'm in a Linked.in pinball group, and yesterday I see a post from
> George Gomez. A new game is on the works. :)
>
> I'll quote the whole message:
>
> """
> * Subject: New comment (52) on "What do you have?"
>
> Everything I've designed (Corvette, JM, NBA Fastbreak, Monster Bash,
> RFM, Playboy, Sopranos, LOTR, Batman). Soon I will have the new Batman
> Std. :-) The only game I own that I didn't do is T2. And in the
> fall...a new game is coming that you guys don't know about yet. :-)
>
> Posted by George Gomez
> """
>
> regards,
> Damian
So, call me crazy, but what exactly his George referring to with
Batman "STD"? Did I miss something and batman has a sexually
transmitted disease? Is there a batman standard of some kind? Upon
first reading, I had assumed he meant software, but std is not an
abbreviation for software of which I'm familiar. Does Bruce wayne
have a short term debt problem?
I'm being serious... someone clue me in on std.
Pinballed
Tron would be great and all but why should they choose Tron after all
these years? It doesnt make any sense. Probably Avatar. Theres a huge
pile of 80's movies/video games that could be made into great pins
(whatever hasnt already been done) but none of them make any sense
right now. It would make more sense to use a theme that is somewhat
current.
I think Tron is wishful thinking, I wouldnt get your hopes up too
high.
Stan
MHS
You do know there's a new blockbuster tron movie coming out right?
Pinballed
>
> - Show quoted text -
oh...no!...lol, I didnt know! my bad
mnpinball
Trailer #1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AwvuirSEAA
Trailer #2 More revealing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9szn1QQfas
Dan Q very much
Yeah, sure, in the future, with a hopefully more evolved humanity, no
one would have a problem with blasting the crap out of sentient alien
creatures, on their own damn planet. All those mining workers would
gleefully get medieval on their asses.
I found it unbelievable, the whole attack sequence felt wrong. Maybe
you are more jaded than I am. Or warmongering. Me, I'm a pacifist.
MHS
Appears to be software test design or software test document.
Bingovit
> Tron
> Trailer #1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AwvuirSEAA
>
> Trailer #2 More revealinghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9szn1QQfas
I don't know a thing about Tron but after seeing the first trailer I
thought OH NO, what a bad theme...
After seeing the second I think it can be a pretty good theme for a
pin :-)
It's good to see another designer back at Stern ;-)
--Evert
kevinb
> Gary says they must have 2 movies made or to be made to make a pin.
>
SAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know it won't happen, but the timeframe is right on.
When you hit "Start," it of course says "I want to play a game."
Not the most family-friendly theme, but neither is RBION or SS.
KRB (LOTR, TSPP, and soon RS)
MRG
TRON on a rethemed Sopranos would be a cool game. I like the wire
form ramps but that cool glowing blue plastic that Gomez made the
original TRON arcade handles would be cool for the ramps.
1st
I found it hard to believe they could hook up with flying dragons...
There were a couple other far out items also.....
1st
AAPIN
> those creatures like they did. That was horrible, and quite stoopid.
Really? I'm pretty sure humans have done far worse to each other for
far less....unless of course all those history classes were a lie?
Lloyd Olson
"Damian Parrino" <dpar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Hunty
> On May 3, 10:48 am, appetite4pinball <mgsiev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 3, 10:37 am, "machine.slave" <brockhemm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > VERY cool, thanks for posting the exciting news.
>
> > > Stern seems to be very secretive about the next game, I wonder what's
> > > up their sleeve (please don't say a Golden Tee pin..)
>
> > > - B
>
> > > On May 3, 11:30 am, Bingovit <black.ma...@skynet.be> wrote:
>
> > > > On 3 mei, 17:16, Damian Parrino <dparr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > So, I'm in a Linked.in pinball group, and yesterday I see a post from
> > > > > George Gomez. A new game is on the works. :)
>
> > > > > I'll quote the whole message:
>
> > > > > """
> > > > > * Subject: New comment (52) on "What do you have?"
>
> > > > > Everything I've designed (Corvette, JM, NBA Fastbreak, Monster Bash,
> > > > > RFM, Playboy, Sopranos, LOTR, Batman). Soon I will have the new Batman
> > > > > fall...a new game is coming that you guys don't know about yet. :-)
>
> > > > > Posted by George Gomez
> > > > > """
>
> > > > > regards,
> > > > > Damian
>
> > > > That's news I'm really looking forward too :-)
>
> > > > --Evert
>
> > The playfield design layout that was up on the Stern Facebook page
> > (and then taken down) did have similar center inserts to Soprano's.
> > If i had to throw a guess out there i'd say that the new pin is a
> > George Gomez designed Avatar pin with a layout somewhat similiar to
> > Sopranos/LOTR? Just a guess though!
>
> > -Mike
>
> TRON
Gomez certainly would be the best designer for a Tron pin, since he
was on the team that made the Tron arcade game!
Brian Munn
I see how Tron attracts the hard core pinball audience (middle aged,
fat and with some baldness). But I don't see this hitting the young
15-27 demographic. I think some of the other movie's like Avatar
will have broader appeal.
Brian
Detroit Pinball
Brian Munn
>
> - Show quoted text -
I noticed that too. Could he mean special edition?
Brian
Detroit Pinball
Les Manley
> On May 3, 10:48 am, appetite4pinball <mgsiev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 3, 10:37 am, "machine.slave" <brockhemm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > VERY cool, thanks for posting the exciting news.
>
> > > Stern seems to be very secretive about the next game, I wonder what's
> > > up their sleeve (please don't say a Golden Tee pin..)
>
> > > - B
>
> > > On May 3, 11:30 am, Bingovit <black.ma...@skynet.be> wrote:
>
>
> > > > > So, I'm in a Linked.in pinball group, and yesterday I see a post from
> > > > > George Gomez. A new game is on the works. :)
>
> > > > > I'll quote the whole message:
>
> > > > > """
> > > > > * Subject: New comment (52) on "What do you have?"
>
> > > > > Everything I've designed (Corvette, JM, NBA Fastbreak, Monster Bash,
> > > > > RFM, Playboy, Sopranos, LOTR, Batman). Soon I will have the new Batman
> > > > > Std. :-) The only game I own that I didn't do is T2. And in the
> > > > > fall...a new game is coming that you guys don't know about yet. :-)
>
> > > > > Posted by George Gomez
> > > > > """
>
> > > > > regards,
> > > > > Damian
>
> > > > That's news I'm really looking forward too :-)
>
> > > > --Evert
>
> > The playfield design layout that was up on the Stern Facebook page
> > (and then taken down) did have similar center inserts to Soprano's.
> > If i had to throw a guess out there i'd say that the new pin is a
> > George Gomez designed Avatar pin with a layout somewhat similiar to
> > Sopranos/LOTR? Just a guess though!
>
> > -Mike
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Don't tease me.
Les Manley
> On May 3, 11:04 am, Jonny_eh <bizarro....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 3, 12:00 pm, Brian Munn <bdm...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > On May 3, 11:56 am, mnpinball <mnpinb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Slightly re-vamped Sopranos by Gomez.
> > > > Looks like I need to start saving up.
>
> > > >http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w165/mnpinball/stern.jpg
>
> > > Movies Due in the Fall/Winter timeframs:
>
> > > - Resident Evil
> > > - Tron
> > > - Harry Potter
> > > - Chron of Narnia
> > > - Transformers
>
> > > Brian
> > > Detroit Pinball
>
> > I'll put my money on it being TRON: Legacy. Consider that Gomez worked
> > on the original Tron arcade game in the 80s :) (I think he designed
> > the controller)- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
>
> The whole POTC license debacle is false news and Stern does and will
> work with Disney again. "confirmed"- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Don't you tease either Jason! :) I *might* have to scrounge up the
bucks for this if it did happen. It would be my one and only NIB pin.
mnpinball
>
> news:21a968ab-8b0c-4ade...@o11g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > And in the
> > fall...a new game is coming that you guys don't know about yet. :-)
>
> > Posted by George Gomez
> > """
>
> > regards,
>
> - Show quoted text -
How can you fire someone that is not an employee of the daily workings
at a company?
George is contracted for hire when needed and on for the fall release.
MHS
Can't think of a better game to use EL wire on than tron.
1st
mnpinball
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well you are safe. It's NOT Tron for the fall '10. No teasin.
It's NOT Narnia either.
Either it's Avatar or Stern finally got the elusive Harry Potter
license.
Les Manley
>
> - Show quoted text -
Bummer. :(
Bryan Kelly
was working on?
Talk about a sound track. ;-)
Bryan (CARGPB 14)
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/bspins
johnp...@gmail.com
days.
appetite4pinball
Agreed. Tron would make a cool pinball license and appeal to the hard
core pinball audience, but Stern would be making a poor business
decision if they were to go thru with it. The original Tron wasn't
even that big of a success (33 million box office), and i'd give the
new movie about a 80% chance of flopping at the box office. Wives and
kids aren't going to want to watch it. Only 35-50 year old males that
liked the original and which make up one of the smallest demographics
of movie-goers. Plus, there's too many other 80's reboots coming out
this year to compete with and most of them will end up being crap
anyway. They should leave movies/shows like Red Dawn, The Karate Kid,
the Smurfs, the Breakfast Club, A-Team, Dukes of Hazard, Knight Rider,
Scooby Doo, Footloose, G.I. Joe, Transformers, Short Circuit, etc. in
the 80's where they belong. imho. Quit ruining all the stuff that i
grew up loving in the 80's! Venting over :)
On the other hand we have Avatar. #1 movie of all time with two
sequels in the works. 2.8 billion and counting in Worldwide sales.
There's no comparison! Avatar would be a much sounder and less risky
choice for a new pin theme.
-Mike
gpsdrew
>
> George is contracted for hire when needed and on for the fall release.
The first clue to this was seeing him in the BBH launch video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqbruPRysvU
Something told me he might be working with them again...
Can't say the same for the other good guys Like Steve and Dennis.
Drew
Lloyd Olson
LTG :)
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Lloyd Olson
Plopper for the fall pin. LTG :)
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PinAffliction
mystery machine, read:
"The only game I own that I didn't do is T2. And in the
fall...a new game is coming that you guys don't know about yet. :-) "
in that statement.
Perhaps there is more insider info I'm not aware of?
Scott
On May 3, 10:16 am, Damian Parrino <dparr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, I'm in a Linked.in pinball group, and yesterday I see a post from
> George Gomez. A new game is on the works. :)
>
> I'll quote the whole message:
>
> """
> * Subject: New comment (52) on "What do you have?"
>
> Everything I've designed (Corvette, JM, NBA Fastbreak, Monster Bash,
> RFM, Playboy, Sopranos, LOTR, Batman). Soon I will have the new Batman
> Std. :-) The only game I own that I didn't do is T2. And in the
PT
maybe a new South Park?
John
chuck
> Slightly re-vamped Sopranos by Gomez.
> Looks like I need to start saving up.
>
> http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w165/mnpinball/stern.jpg
You're slipping. Someone let the proverbial cat out of the bag before
you did =)
Mark Clayton
not that many hard-core fans. But that's not the case for Tron.
The original Tron fan is smack-dab in the home pinball demographic,
and a successful movie re-spin could bring in new blood too.
And as a pinball theme, other than some photoshopped stills
there's not too much Avatar-ish you could do. Maybe animate a
flying dragon toy or something, a la Balrog. But Tron is a much more
pinball-friendly theme and with some neat lighting effects it could
be a winner.
-Mark
-----
http://pinballpal.com
Barney
dda4f1...@s29g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
> I think it's a bit late for Avatar,
Besides Avatar looking pretty, overall I felt it was simply a crappy
movie...yuck.
TRON is much more of a pinball theme than what I feel they could ever do
for a Avatar game.
Barney
Barney
e80e4c...@o8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com:
> Oh my god would a Green hornet pin be awesome. Way better than Tron.
> But I think I agree with the masses that it is likely Tron.
AFAIK, Stern is looking to make pin games that have movie sequels. Has
there ever been a "Green Hornet" movie made before?...and not talking about
the TV show.
Is there anyone younger than 35 that has ever heard of the Green Hornet?
TRON is a sequel, more popular with a younger fan base and I feel can
generate much more excitement.
Barney
Barney
f7ac1b...@b7g2000yqk.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Gary says they must have 2 movies made or to be made to make a pin.
>> That leaves GH out.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>
> SAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> I know it won't happen, but the timeframe is right on.
>
> When you hit "Start," it of course says "I want to play a game."
>
> Not the most family-friendly theme, but neither is RBION or SS.
>
> KRB (LOTR, TSPP, and soon RS)
>
Well...watching a silver ball getting cut in half would be cool!
Barney
Barney
97ed-4ca...@24g2000yqy.googlegroups.com:
> On May 3, 10:58am, Dan Q very much <dque...@new.rr.com> wrote:
> I could be wrong, but i don't think it is too late for Avatar!
Besides it being a crappy movie, Avatar might have a chance during or when
the other two Avatar movies come out and continues to be popular.
The next Avatar seems like it's going to be under the sea. Soooo, maybe a
really cool tri-level playfield could be really effective IF done right.
Maybe a cool CFTBL like holograph, or at least some kind of 3-D lenticular
displays for the plastics.
Barney
Brian Munn
> Brian Munn <bdm...@comcast.net> wrote in news:cc67174b-1151-498b-ba82-
>
> > Oh my god would a Green hornet pin be awesome. Way better than Tron.
> > But I think I agree with the masses that it is likely Tron.
>
> AFAIK, Stern is looking to make pin games that have movie sequels. Has
> there ever been a "Green Hornet" movie made before?...and not talking about
> the TV show.
>
> Is there anyone younger than 35 that has ever heard of the Green Hornet?
>
> TRON is a sequel, more popular with a younger fan base and I feel can
> generate much more excitement.
>
> Barney
By younger you mean 40?
Brian
Detroit Pinball
Barney
5983cf...@40g2000vbr.googlegroups.com:
> Oh god, an extended version of that goofiness?
>
> "Unobtainium"? Stoopid.
> Evolved tail-to-whatever hookups? Stoopid.
> The whole Avatar premise was also stoopid. Technologically unfeasible.
> And even the greediest of humans/corporations would not lay waste to
> those creatures like they did. That was horrible, and quite stoopid.
>
> It was a fun couple of hours, but overall it was stoopid. I was glad
> when it was over.
>
> But money talks, I suppose. However, I just think Tron would be a
> better theme for a pin.
>
> Did I mention that I thought Avatar was stoopid?
>
I'm like one of the few who have to agree with you. Though not as stoopid
as crappy and yucky.
Fun and enjoyable, however after the credits, I was left with...blah.
Barney
Barney
baf363...@x1g2000vbe.googlegroups.com:
> On May 3, 12:47�pm, Dan Q very much <dque...@new.rr.com> wrote:
>> On May 3, 11:44�am, Datafry <data...@gmail.com> wrote:> If it's Tron, I
> would put my down on one right now. �I've always
>> > thought it would make a great pin theme.
>>
>> Exactly, so would I. How many of us would say the same about Avatar?
>
> Tron would be great and all but why should they choose Tron after all
> these years? It doesnt make any sense. Probably Avatar. Theres a huge
> pile of 80's movies/video games that could be made into great pins
> (whatever hasnt already been done) but none of them make any sense
> right now. It would make more sense to use a theme that is somewhat
> current.
> I think Tron is wishful thinking, I wouldnt get your hopes up too
> high.
>
> Stan
>
I think there's a big fan base for TRON. Not so much for Avatar.
Barney
MHS
Tron resonates with late 20's early 30's as well.
Barney
032dfe...@h11g2000vbo.googlegroups.com:
> That's a joke right?
>
> On May 3, 12:37�pm, Dan Q very much <dque...@new.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> And even the greediest of humans/corporations would not lay waste to
>> those creatures like they did. That was horrible, and quite stoopid.
>
I don't take it as a joke. Cameron was making a point and went way over
the top while doing it.
Barney
Barney
df875c...@h9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
> It's a movie, a sci-fi movie.
> I found it hard to believe they could hook up with flying dragons...
> There were a couple other far out items also.....
I acually found that part to be really cool. After all, it IS a sci-fi
movie.
Barney
Barney
662e7f...@a21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>
> Plus Tron has stood the test of time and with a killer looking
> followup it looks very good.
> All those geeks from the 80's now have $$ to buy a pin. Tron would be
> the better theme IMHO of the 2.
Exactly my thoughts!
Barney
appetite4pinball
> While the audience for Avatar is much larger, there are probably
> not that many hard-core fans. But that's not the case for Tron.
> The original Tron fan is smack-dab in the home pinball demographic,
> and a successful movie re-spin could bring in new blood too.
>
> And as a pinball theme, other than some photoshopped stills
> there's not too much Avatar-ish you could do. Maybe animate a
> flying dragon toy or something, a la Balrog. But Tron is a much more
> pinball-friendly theme and with some neat lighting effects it could
> be a winner.
>
> -Mark
> -----http://pinballpal.com
I agree that Tron lends itself better to being a pinball theme, and
would sell better to the RGP crowd than Avatar would. I would
personally buy a Tron pin before buying Avatar based on theme alone.
I thought Avatar was a mediocre movie with great special effects.
With that being said I think Avatar would still put up better sales
numbers overall with OPs and World-wide sales even if Tron is a run-
away hit. Avatar is much less of a risk. I just have a feeling that
the Tron movie is going to bomb and be out of theaters within a
month! The director is a first time film director that can make a
cool commercial or movie trailer, but can he convey a great story or
bring out great performances from the actors? Basically, Is he
another McG or is he the next James Cameron? If Stern was my company
and i was putting my money into a new pinball machine I would go with
the sure thing (Avatar).
-Mike
Brian Munn
>
> - Show quoted text -
Just trying to understand your logic here. Since Tron was made before
they were born. How does it resonate. To me "Call to Duty" resonates
with that Age Group (Name a few other XBOX titles they have played
growing up will as well).
Brian
Detroit Pinball
Barney
fe35f0...@i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
>
> The whole POTC license debacle is false news and Stern does and will
> work with Disney again. "confirmed"
Well, that one is comming out May 25th, 2012. So there is lots of time for
something like this too.
Barney
ataritoday
games.....great look, cool sounds...... soooooo much could be done.
I liked Avatar, but didn't love it (except for the 3d which was very
impressive). Any game where you could put a mech and dragons in it
might not be too bad.
Barney
news:5d28e517-d401-48cb...@p2g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
> On May 3, 12:56�pm, Brian Munn <bdm...@comcast.net> wrote:
Only 35-50 year old males that
> liked the original and which make up one of the smallest demographics
> of movie-goers.
I know someone who is 19 and can't wait for TRON. He's even mad that he
has to wait till December to see it.
Barney
MHS
simply saying there are tron fans younger than you suggest. I'm in my
mid / late 20's and have a lot of friends who are pumped for it. The
trailer gave me chills just thinking of the old one. I even used to
play that Tron GL racing game for mac back in the late 90's. Last
year at Papa, I took a photograph in front of the Tron cabinet with my
wife and brother because we are all big fans and hadn't seen one in a
while.
Just because something was created before someone was born doesn't
mean there isn't a fan base or it can't resonate. I'm a big I love
Lucy fan, Archie Bunker makes me laugh, and I used to have a crush on
Cindy Williams and Ava Gardner. I just finished watching every
original Star Trek last month on my AppleTV. How many star wars fans
are out there who think Episodes 1, 2, and 3 suck, but love 4, 5 and 6
even though they were created before they were born?
Just my 2c.
ScottinSGFNY
is..................................
PAWN STARS
There is a big giant Chumlee Head that eats the Pinballs like Red &
Ted as the main playfield toy.
Les Manley
>
> - Show quoted text -
If you like the original Tron, check out this trailer for it that a
fan made. It makes you want to see it in the theaters this Friday and
the movie is practically 30 years old. It looks like a brand new
movie. Really well done...
MHS
Not to belabor the point, but I actually had just taken a break from a
game of Ultima 4 to make my last post. The irony kind of struck me a
few minutes after I got something to eat and started back up. I was 3
when it came out, but I've spent 100x more time playing Lord British
games than Call of Duty.
Beatles... Classical music... ACDC... BB King in concert four
times... 3 Stooges... Citizen Kane... Steve Mqueen... Marion
Morrison... So much Literature... Too many great things to name
that were made before I was born.
RomulusX
> Oh god, an extended version of that goofiness?
>
> "Unobtainium"? Stoopid.
> Evolved tail-to-whatever hookups? Stoopid.
> The whole Avatar premise was also stoopid. Technologically unfeasible.
> those creatures like they did. That was horrible, and quite stoopid.
>
> when it was over.
>
> But money talks, I suppose. However, I just think Tron would be a
> better theme for a pin.
>
> Did I mention that I thought Avatar was stoopid?
I second that,the emperor was naked.All the talk about greatest
movie ever. Bull shit! Rick in Newburgh
JohnKinKokomo
Racer". I think either license would be great. After CSI, 24, WOF etc.
Tron or Avatar should be better IMHO.
JohnKinIndiana
toyboy6
I agree, those trailers are da bomb. The visual style of the movie
just opens itself up beautifully for endless lighting opportunities.
If it is Tron, hopefully Stern can get creative with how they execute
the lighting effects in the game. I could visualize wicked DMD games
too - from disc throwing targets to hitting specific ramp shots to get
your "cycle" to perform certain blocking moves to destroy other cycles
(full screen DMD Stern - not that 2/3 crap). The artwork has great
possibilities too with a darker theme accented with neon colors.
I'm getting jazzed just thinking of the possibilities. I haven't
watched the movie in years, but I think it's time to pop in the DVD
tonight....
Scott
JohnKinKokomo
mode?
JohnKinIndiana
thabigwolf
> On May 3, 12:56 pm, Brian Munn <bdm...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 3, 12:46 pm, mnpinball <mnpinb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> > > > Oh god, an extended version of that goofiness?
>
> > > > "Unobtainium"? Stoopid.
> > > > Evolved tail-to-whatever hookups? Stoopid.
> > > > The whole Avatar premise was also stoopid. Technologically unfeasible.
> > > > And even the greediest of humans/corporations would not lay waste to
> > > > those creatures like they did. That was horrible, and quite stoopid.
>
> > > > It was a fun couple of hours, but overall it was stoopid. I was glad
> > > > when it was over.
>
> > > > But money talks, I suppose. However, I just think Tron would be a
> > > > better theme for a pin.
>
> > > > Did I mention that I thought Avatar was stoopid?
>
> > > followup it looks very good.
> > > All those geeks from the 80's now have $$ to buy a pin. Tron would be
> > > the better theme IMHO of the 2.
>
> > fat and with some baldness). But I don't see this hitting the young
> > 15-27 demographic. I think some of the other movie's like Avatar
> > will have broader appeal.
>
> > Brian
> > Detroit Pinball
>
> Agreed. Tron would make a cool pinball license and appeal to the hard
> core pinball audience, but Stern would be making a poor business
> decision if they were to go thru with it. The original Tron wasn't
> even that big of a success (33 million box office), and i'd give the
> new movie about a 80% chance of flopping at the box office. Wives and
> liked the original and which make up one of the smallest demographics
> this year to compete with and most of them will end up being crap
> anyway. They should leave movies/shows like Red Dawn, The Karate Kid,
> the Smurfs, the Breakfast Club, A-Team, Dukes of Hazard, Knight Rider,
> Scooby Doo, Footloose, G.I. Joe, Transformers, Short Circuit, etc. in
> the 80's where they belong. imho. Quit ruining all the stuff that i
> grew up loving in the 80's! Venting over :)
>
> On the other hand we have Avatar. #1 movie of all time with two
> sequels in the works. 2.8 billion and counting in Worldwide sales.
> There's no comparison! Avatar would be a much sounder and less risky
> choice for a new pin theme.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
appetite4pinball -
Tron was released on July 9, 1982 in 1,091 theaters grossing USD $4.8
million on its opening weekend. It went on to make $33 million in
North America, moderately successful considering its $17 million
budget
Moderately Successful in my book is not a flop - Sure it was not a
super grosser but it did double its budget...
1st
Tron: $26M
Avatar $2.7B
According to IMDB
Tron 6.6/10 23,000 votes
Avatar 8.4/10 228,000 votes
PT
Appreciation of Tron is basically limited to a hand full middle-age
uber geeks world wide. You never see it running on the movie
channels. The ratings must be putrid because I see all kinds of
movies from that era re-run ad nauseum, but not Tron.
Tron would probably be a cool pin, but a disaster financially as a
theme. Personally I'd rather own a Tron pin, but Avatar is by far a
better theme for Stern to pick. Still want my ESPN Sportcenter pin -
the pin that could bring back the $$$ to route pins!
John
appetite4pinball
The trailers are so cool because the director is one of the best in
the business at doing commercial work. He did the Gears of War and
Halo ads along with ads for Nike and Saab. All of his work is very
stylized in a very cool and futuristic way which is perfect for Tron.
The big unknown is how he will do with a feature film since he has
never done one before.
Here is a link to some of Joseph Kosinski's work:
http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/08/21/videos-who-is-joseph-kosinski/
Barney
f203e0...@q32g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
> According to the-numbers
> Tron: $26M
> Avatar $2.7B
26 million in today's dollars is 57 million. Even so, Tron became a cult
classic being much more popular and talked about after it's release.
Barney
thabigwolf
TRON was considered a failure for Disney Standards and movies such as
that don't get air time... Note numerous other disney movies that have
stunk and do not get run.. When was last time you saw Black Beards
Ghost or Apple Dumbling Gang Rides again.. You don't.. It is a Disney
Movie and if it runs it will only be on the Disney Channel...
Avatar Pin would be Great - Tron Pin would be Great - ESPN Pin would
be Great (Though I would not buy) but atleast the PINS Keep coming..
Lloyd Olson
If we want cult classic, The Rocky Horror Picture Show is the way to go. And
it has seven more years than Tron doing that cult classic stuff. LTG :)
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not been a sequel until now, which is that Disney has had it locked
down as a potential development property, among others. There have
been dozens of scripts submitted over the years, some even made it to
pre-production, but for whatever reasons, it didn't happen.
In the day, Tron was awesome, and the IMDB numbers are curious, but
hardly indicative, and don't represent anything except the people who
voted. The comparison between the box office of Tron and Avatar is
largely one of apples and oranges. In the day of Tron, there was no
omni-hype machine as there is today, in the way of corporations
generating a product, licensing & tying it into everything three times
over, and advertising it, ad nauseum.
There is obviously the interest, and thus the market, as determined by
Disney, or there would be no sequel.
That being said, I fear the new film, and will make no effort to see
it- many things that were memorable in their time, should remain
there, and not regurgitated, as sequels ofter are. Perhaps I will
watch the original again, or more likely, just remember what I do from
20 years ago.
I would never own an Avatar machine, if for no other reason than
because of the endless hype & BS that was manufactured for the film.
Another film I have made no effort to see.
Never again are we likely to see a new machine that is not a licensed
tie-in, which is unfortunate, IMHO.
Ray~
Barney
news:Ga6dndloGJf9MkLW...@skypoint.com:
> So in 29 years Avatar will be okay for a pin theme ?
Not necessarily however, TRON came out at a time when video games were
taking off in popularity in arcades across the country. It simply captured
the moment and beyond. If I remember correctly, the movie was pretty
accurate about explaining how computers work and therefore how video games
work. I think kids and young adults were able to relate to that later in
life while playing video games. While capturing the fancy of the younger
demographics it was repeatedly reinforced throughout their lives as they
grew, bought computers and finally their own video game system for the
home.
Avatar does not do any of that...unless one wants to talk about the first
time they experienced 3-D in the theatre in a big way.
Lets compare Star Wars with Avatar. Star Wars caught the imagination of
people of all ages simply because the very simple down to earth story of
good guy VS evil. Avatar can mainly be related to adults (once you get
past all the cool effects) who see good guy VS evil in the way of corporate
greed, conscientious objectors and save the planet protesters. So unless
there's a polar bear stuck on a ice cap getting ready to drown, there's not
much that younger people can relate to with a pinball machine titled
Avatar.
Barney
PS I can see it now, a hurry up feature with one direct hit that totally
destroys a tree. Cool!
Barney
32f4bb...@h37g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
> In the day, Tron was awesome, and the IMDB numbers are curious, but
> hardly indicative, and don't represent anything except the people who
> voted.
Yep, and IMDB was not even around in 1982...neither was the internet for
such communication like we have today.
> Never again are we likely to see a new machine that is not a licensed
> tie-in, which is unfortunate, IMHO.
You might be right about that at least in the near future. I'd like to
think something in this market will change to allow for really cool
original themes to be produced.
Barney
lightguy
>
> I second that,the emperor was naked.All the talk about greatest
> movie ever. Bull shit! Rick in Newburgh
Ever see the Pocahontas script where the names are lined through and
replaced with names used in Avatar ?
Same story and sequence of events.
LMAO.