FRAUD today on MR. Pinball Classifieds - WARNING

[pinj...@hotmail.com]

BEWARE! Two listings today on Mr. Pinball appear to be fraudulent. A
seller going by Jim Baker in Southern Ontario, Canada with email
class...@msn.com posted an 8BD and a Fathom machine for sale. I
requested pictures and the 8BD pictures are taken directly from an ebay
listing that just ended (auction #6252212527). I can only believe that
the Fathom doesn't belong to him either.

Does anyone know how to alert the Mr. Pinball site of such activity?

Pinjunkie

[John Wart, jr]

We know he steals pictures, that doesn't make his listing a fraud.

Proceed with caution, don't send $$, only deal if you can pay cash in person
I guess

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<pinj...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[Mark Clayton]

True. Some non-collectors don't think it matters to show
pictures of a different game, as long as the pics are of
the same model, A clueless seller isn't necessarily a scammer,
but caution is in order.

-Mark
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"John Wart, jr" <johnw...@johnwartjr.com> wrote in message news:LrWdnZ-7IaF...@comcast.com...

[Pint...@gmail.com]

I fail to understand what is not fraudulent here. A person is selling
a game, and sends pictures of another game, (or a flyer). I'm sorry
but that is fraudulent unless the seller states that "these are just
representative pictures of the model, and not the actual game I am
selling". I have not read the listing yet but that would definately
scare me off.

As far as newbies go, don't take this practice as acceptable. It's
not.

Mario
Pinthetic

[JDix]

I agree fraud. If I am selling a 2003 Honda Accord and send someone
pictures of a nice one, but mine really has dents, scratches and a torn
interior, . .I think that would be fraudulent. A disclaimer is
necessary.

Pins should be no different.

[John Wart, jr]

I consider the fraud more him listing a machine he doesn't have.

I don't condone using stock photos unless you're clearly stating your photos
are stock photos.

It's possible the pin on eBay is using this guys photos too, you never know.

Proceeding in caution is more appropriate here - ask him about the pics on
eBay, see what he says..

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<Pint...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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[Mark Clayton]

Should be, but sometimes people don't know any better. It's not
fraud if the seller doesn't intend to deceive. He may just not know
any better, and you can sometimes get a good deal from an inexperienced
seller. Caution is called for, but I wouldn't go accusing people
of committing felonies over it.

-Mark
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"JDix" <jenny...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1139808956.8...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

[Pint...@gmail.com]

Mark wrote:
Should be, but sometimes people don't know any better. It's not
fraud if the seller doesn't intend to deceive.

Then anyone can do this and just claim ignorance. John said: "We know
he steals pictures, that doesn't make his listing a fraud". If someone
else comes forth with that statement, then it's a pattern. It's known,
so it can't be washed away by an ignorance plea.

Mario
Pinthetic

[Mark Clayton]

Yes, anyone can do it, and claim whatever they like. It was
right to point out the problem with the guy's pics, and that's
a big strike against the seller, but I just object to automatically
calling it fraud.

-Mark
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<Pint...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1139809934....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

[John Wart, jr]

I understand what you're getting at Mario, and agree with you.

I think my big thing here is that it seems lately that every time something
seems even a tad fishy, it's gets posted to RGP as a fraud immediately,
often without doing adequate research to determine that it is truly a fraud.

It's good that the community is watching out for each other, I just
sometimes wonder if a little more sleuthing might be a bit more appropriate
before throwing up the 'fraud' flag - as I said, it is possible that the guy
on eBay stole the pics from the Mr. Pinball poster, albeit unlikely.

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<Pint...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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[shn...@cogeco.ca]

For your information, I live in Southern Ontario so I emailed him
yesterday before I saw this stuff about a scam and he emailed me back
that the EBD was sold.

[Daina Pettit]

In article <1139804610....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,

<pinj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Does anyone know how to alert the Mr. Pinball site of such activity?

Sure. Go to the website and click on the contact link on the bottom of any
of the pages, or just send an email directly to me. It's actually quite
easy to find me.

The ads have been killed. We take a dim view of stolen photos. If you had
notified me earlier I could have pulled the ad sooner.
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