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cpiel
May 14, 2013, 4:21:56 PM5/14/13
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1965 Buckaroo: game initially was $7400 restored to first owner, paid
$5000, selling for $4500
1977 Golden Arrow: paid $3100 restored, selling for $2500
There is no way to fairly describe the condition of these titles
without coming here and playing them.
Dr. Dave has been here and put time on both and I don't think he'd
mind sharing his opinion with you.
For serious inquiries, contact me directly for pics and further
details.
cpiel AT verizon DOT net
Thanks
Frank Furhter
May 14, 2013, 6:08:18 PM5/14/13
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merit on 'Dr Dave's view or word on much. The stuff he calls artwork
touch up is pathetic, and the quick spit and shine polish he gives each
machine is not much more than a quick and dirty shop job. I will hand
it to him, on that game he recently did the CC was a frosty mess instead
of a complete disaster. But hey, I'm just one guy who actually gives a
shit about the quality of work for hire and sale in pinball. Maybe the
noobs don't give a shit and will take it up the ass at these prices and
'verifiable' opinions of hacks.
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AddictedToEMs
May 14, 2013, 7:42:48 PM5/14/13
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Wow - never saw em prices like this except for mermaid. Not even Knock Out...
Pinball Muggle
May 14, 2013, 8:59:33 PM5/14/13
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addictedtoems;2073295 Wrote:
> Wow - never saw em prices like this except for mermaid. Not even Knock
> Out...
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Frank Furhter
May 14, 2013, 9:10:40 PM5/14/13
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Pinball Muggle wrote:
> addictedtoems;2073295 Wrote:
>> Wow - never saw em prices like this except for mermaid. Not even Knock
>> Out...
>
> Amen Bro � just popular titles not rare.
> addictedtoems;2073295 Wrote:
>> Wow - never saw em prices like this except for mermaid. Not even Knock
>> Out...
>
Smart money is selling pins to capitalize on the stupid peoplez...
TKO is unobtanium, and really worthless as a playing game goes.
Titles that are rare, but not the former metal in the 70s like Neptune
bring 800-1200 in nice condition. This fuck is smoking crack, and some
fuck smoking more might just bite.
cpiel
May 14, 2013, 9:50:32 PM5/14/13
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Poor Frankie has no life so he lives out his miserable existence here
on rgp spewing his BS - what a joke loser.
Just to clarify, Nick Raschilla did the restoration and people gladly
pay premium prices all day long for his EM work, just as they pay
premium prices all day long for HEPs SS/DMD work. Many guys around my
area have several of both in their collections and are thrilled to
have them.
And everyone's tired of the FF "smart money speech" - you're stating
the obvious based on the market, but it doesn't even apply to me
here. I can think of maybe twice in 10 years of collecting that I
actually made money on a pin (not that there is anything wrong with
that). I'm not selling because the market is up, I'm selling because
I have some other priorities right now. Best case, I'd even welcome
the option to buy these both back at a later date for the same amount
as I'm selling them for.
on rgp spewing his BS - what a joke loser.
Just to clarify, Nick Raschilla did the restoration and people gladly
pay premium prices all day long for his EM work, just as they pay
premium prices all day long for HEPs SS/DMD work. Many guys around my
area have several of both in their collections and are thrilled to
have them.
And everyone's tired of the FF "smart money speech" - you're stating
the obvious based on the market, but it doesn't even apply to me
here. I can think of maybe twice in 10 years of collecting that I
actually made money on a pin (not that there is anything wrong with
that). I'm not selling because the market is up, I'm selling because
I have some other priorities right now. Best case, I'd even welcome
the option to buy these both back at a later date for the same amount
as I'm selling them for.
Frank Furhter
May 14, 2013, 10:07:20 PM5/14/13
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from someone on an up market? What a fucker you are, to call me out and
then say you want someone else to pay your for your 'priorities'. What
a fuck you are my friend, what a fuck.
cpiel
May 14, 2013, 11:23:44 PM5/14/13
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No Frankie - if I wanted that as a requirement, then it would have
been included in my original post. It's just an option if the buyer
wants to get their money back out of the game down the road and gives
me a shot at getting a game back that I'd prefer not to sell in the
first place.
Maybe *you* should consider selling a pin and get some therapy. All
we see from you is continual bitterness and anger - maybe it's time to
let it go and lighten up. Seriously, it's pretty sad.
Meanwhile, I've already spent too much time on this thread responding
to your nonsense, feel free to have the last word as I won't even be
checking back to read it.
been included in my original post. It's just an option if the buyer
wants to get their money back out of the game down the road and gives
me a shot at getting a game back that I'd prefer not to sell in the
first place.
Maybe *you* should consider selling a pin and get some therapy. All
we see from you is continual bitterness and anger - maybe it's time to
let it go and lighten up. Seriously, it's pretty sad.
Meanwhile, I've already spent too much time on this thread responding
to your nonsense, feel free to have the last word as I won't even be
checking back to read it.
Frank Furhter
May 15, 2013, 12:01:29 AM5/15/13
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You are a tool, go sell your games as a interest free loan and act as
if you are doing someone a favor. Go and play both sides of the market
as if you are some saint doing no wrong. Your plight is pathetic, must
be since you sell your soul and collection in one post. As-is,
where-is, and what-is.
Gott Lieb?
May 15, 2013, 6:58:41 AM5/15/13
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Good luck with your sale, Cliff!
Jim
Jim
Silverunicorn
May 15, 2013, 10:49:08 AM5/15/13
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Cliff is a top notch collector, and someone with whom I would have no
problem doing business. His machines are incredible, and I am sure
anyone would be happy with a game they get from him.
He is NOT a tool.
He is not a dick.
He is not a Fuck.
He is an honest, hard working collector whose priorities have shifted a
bit and he needs to sell some things to accommodate that.
And your idea of him wanting an interest free loan is incorrect.
Oh well, we can't all be perfect :)
Good luck with the sales Cliff!
Chris
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DRDAVE
May 15, 2013, 11:46:50 AM5/15/13
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Was over at Cliff's house a few years back and played these. Wow they
were in nice shape!
Cliff's games are top notch and were top notch restored. Played and
looked like new.
Easily worth the money he's asking for them.
As for Todd Nathan (frank-the d-bag), he knows nothing but jealousy,
hatred and spite. He really needs our pity. Maybe we can create a
rec.whining-crybaby group he can spout his diarrhea of the mouth on
instead of here....
DR
www.pinballdoctor.com
were in nice shape!
Cliff's games are top notch and were top notch restored. Played and
looked like new.
Easily worth the money he's asking for them.
As for Todd Nathan (frank-the d-bag), he knows nothing but jealousy,
hatred and spite. He really needs our pity. Maybe we can create a
rec.whining-crybaby group he can spout his diarrhea of the mouth on
instead of here....
DR
www.pinballdoctor.com
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Gatecrasher
May 15, 2013, 12:22:28 PM5/15/13
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Posts like this where a seller is claiming something extraordinary go a
lot further with pictures.
I know I am not alone on this and wouldn't mind seeing what a $7,400
wedgehead looks like.
I also know if someone called me out like Frank has, I would be posting
some pictures to prove my point.
(pictures go a lot further than testimonials) ;)
Just a suggestion.
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cpiel
May 15, 2013, 12:39:57 PM5/15/13
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Thanks Jim and Chris - much appreciated.
(sorry Frank - skipped over your msg - don't know nor care what you
rambled about)
I have received multiple inquiries and interest regarding Nicks EM
restorations since my post, so I'll address a couple of those here.
First, I want to clarify the pricing history on the Buck (doesn't
change the sale price but I don't want to mislead). It was $6400, not
$7400 - my error. That's a total of $2500 base game + resto.
Moving on . . .
Nick services the very highest end of the EM market. He's developed
and perfected a variety of restoration processes and goes to extreme
lengths to stay true to the original look of a game.
I think of his games more as "remanufactured" rather than restored
because *everything* is rebuilt and finely tuned. The result is a
game that looks NIB and plays like a dream.
To this point, you can have him do as much or as little to your game
as you like. I don't know if that will ever change to 100% finished
games only, but today it's somewhat flexible.
For example, I've already given this breakdown on my games to
interested parties, but will share here to give you an idea:
The Golden Arrow restoration was just mechanical as the cabinet was
pristine original to begin with, and the playfield and glass were
extremely nice.
The Buckaroo restoration was both mechanical and PF cosmetics/artwork/
clear - didn't touch the cab. (If pf clear is needed, it's very thin
and looks as good as anything I've seen)
I've played dozens of other Nick restored titles and they are all
incredible, including a 1957 Royal Flush woodrail he shipped to a
customer out West recently. This game was a full restoration - needed
everything and hence would be an excellent title to show before/after
pics of. He's generally backed up a year or so with restoration work,
but I'll ask if he's ok with me sharing those and will post a link
shortly if so.
(sorry Frank - skipped over your msg - don't know nor care what you
rambled about)
I have received multiple inquiries and interest regarding Nicks EM
restorations since my post, so I'll address a couple of those here.
First, I want to clarify the pricing history on the Buck (doesn't
change the sale price but I don't want to mislead). It was $6400, not
$7400 - my error. That's a total of $2500 base game + resto.
Moving on . . .
Nick services the very highest end of the EM market. He's developed
and perfected a variety of restoration processes and goes to extreme
lengths to stay true to the original look of a game.
I think of his games more as "remanufactured" rather than restored
because *everything* is rebuilt and finely tuned. The result is a
game that looks NIB and plays like a dream.
To this point, you can have him do as much or as little to your game
as you like. I don't know if that will ever change to 100% finished
games only, but today it's somewhat flexible.
For example, I've already given this breakdown on my games to
interested parties, but will share here to give you an idea:
The Golden Arrow restoration was just mechanical as the cabinet was
pristine original to begin with, and the playfield and glass were
extremely nice.
The Buckaroo restoration was both mechanical and PF cosmetics/artwork/
clear - didn't touch the cab. (If pf clear is needed, it's very thin
and looks as good as anything I've seen)
I've played dozens of other Nick restored titles and they are all
incredible, including a 1957 Royal Flush woodrail he shipped to a
customer out West recently. This game was a full restoration - needed
everything and hence would be an excellent title to show before/after
pics of. He's generally backed up a year or so with restoration work,
but I'll ask if he's ok with me sharing those and will post a link
shortly if so.
otis
May 15, 2013, 6:30:56 PM5/15/13
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On May 14, 4:21 pm, cpiel <cp...@verizon.net> wrote:
two reasons to find a new hobby.
JC
Frank Furhter
May 15, 2013, 7:56:09 PM5/15/13
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can and should be able to have issues and rely on the hobby to bail them
out and then ask effectively or outright that the hobby and its
participants give (noobs or olds alike) some interest free loan on
buyback at same price on an up market (or down). This clown is a posse
of trouble, and this post he made is a problem. The bubble is already
popped, or about to pop and this bozo thinks somehow the community and
RGP owes him something. We owe him nothing, he owes the community
nothing other than some respect.
Joe Grenuk
May 15, 2013, 10:49:06 PM5/15/13
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I have seen and played these games and I know Nick's work. The games
are really outstanding. They look great, they play great. Cliff is an
honest, well-respected good guy, who enjoys pristine examples of
collectible games.
Everyone can't afford games like these, and some prefer to have more
games of lesser quality than vice versa. To each his own.
As they say elsewhere, GLWTS, Cliff.
are really outstanding. They look great, they play great. Cliff is an
honest, well-respected good guy, who enjoys pristine examples of
collectible games.
Everyone can't afford games like these, and some prefer to have more
games of lesser quality than vice versa. To each his own.
As they say elsewhere, GLWTS, Cliff.
Frank Furhter
May 15, 2013, 10:58:43 PM5/15/13
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come to the EM collector and asking prices with 'advice from douche bag
supporters' in the 7K range. Fuck you and all the fucking planets you
all fall. Fucking asshole sell outs!
Terrapin Mark
May 16, 2013, 12:00:04 AM5/16/13
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On May 15, 10:58 pm, Frank Furhter <fr...@furhter.com> wrote:
> Good luck with that shit indeed. The fucking idea that GC pinball has
> come to the EM collector and asking prices with 'advice from douche bag
> supporters' in the 7K range. Fuck you and all the fucking planets you
> all fall. Fucking asshole sell outs!
Frank, I do not get it. You say for months that the smart money is
> Good luck with that shit indeed. The fucking idea that GC pinball has
> come to the EM collector and asking prices with 'advice from douche bag
> supporters' in the 7K range. Fuck you and all the fucking planets you
> all fall. Fucking asshole sell outs!
selling games. Cliff posts a sale and you go ape shit. You have a hard
on for both Cliff and for Dr. Dave. What gives?
.......BUMP
Frank Furhter
May 16, 2013, 12:16:20 AM5/16/13
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can't or don't want to go the distance. Just because someone is
expressing the 'smart money' doesn't make it just or right. Catch 22
indeed, catch 22 too speed.
Joe Grenuk
May 16, 2013, 12:20:24 AM5/16/13
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>You have a hard on for both Cliff and for Dr. Dave. What gives?
Mark, he just thinks Cliff and Dr. Dave are hot.
Frank Furhter
May 16, 2013, 12:36:58 AM5/16/13
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Joe Grenuk wrote:
>> You have a hard on for both Cliff and for Dr. Dave. What gives?
>
> Mark, he just thinks Cliff and Dr. Dave are hot.
>
The latter's work is the droll of the hobby. WTF is the former?
>> You have a hard on for both Cliff and for Dr. Dave. What gives?
>
> Mark, he just thinks Cliff and Dr. Dave are hot.
>
Silverunicorn
May 16, 2013, 9:47:47 AM5/16/13
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Bump for Cliff :)
Chris
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Gatecrasher
May 16, 2013, 12:01:50 PM5/16/13
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Is your camera broke?
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Scott McClure
May 16, 2013, 12:07:02 PM5/16/13
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Don't feed the trolls, guys.
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JRivelli
May 16, 2013, 1:09:32 PM5/16/13
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On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:21:56 PM UTC-7, cpiel wrote:
> 1965 Buckaroo: game initially was $7400 restored to first owner, paid
>
> $5000, selling for $4500
>
>
>
> 1977 Golden Arrow: paid $3100 restored, selling for $2500
>
>
>
> There is no way to fairly describe the condition of these titles
>
> without coming here and playing them.
>
>
>
> Dr. Dave has been here and put time on both and I don't think he'd
>
> mind sharing his opinion with you.
>
>
>
> For serious inquiries, contact me directly for pics and further
>
> details.
>
>
>
> cpiel AT verizon DOT net
>
>
>
> Thanks
Arg, I really don't want to feed, but I'm truly interested to see the collector quality wedgehead. Seen tons of great looking HEP games, so it'd be cool to these. Maybe one or two pics?
> 1965 Buckaroo: game initially was $7400 restored to first owner, paid
>
> $5000, selling for $4500
>
>
>
> 1977 Golden Arrow: paid $3100 restored, selling for $2500
>
>
>
> There is no way to fairly describe the condition of these titles
>
> without coming here and playing them.
>
>
>
> Dr. Dave has been here and put time on both and I don't think he'd
>
> mind sharing his opinion with you.
>
>
>
> For serious inquiries, contact me directly for pics and further
>
> details.
>
>
>
> cpiel AT verizon DOT net
>
>
>
> Thanks
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Madsci
May 16, 2013, 5:41:15 PM5/16/13
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Gatecrasher
May 16, 2013, 8:22:10 PM5/16/13
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I didn't quite get the reason you won't post pictures of the machines
you are trying to sell?
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vivasantana
May 16, 2013, 8:30:45 PM5/16/13
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the item is in.
How can you sell anything at all without pics.
Rob
Rock on Santana, Rock on!
Six decades strong!
Frank Furhter
May 17, 2013, 12:21:52 AM5/17/13
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Scott McClure wrote:
>
> Don't feed the trolls, guys.
>
>
Nothing like having a RGP 'rationale' cheerleader to help out the masses.
>
> Don't feed the trolls, guys.
>
>
Frank Furhter
May 17, 2013, 12:28:23 AM5/17/13
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Gatecrasher wrote:
> I didn't quite get the reason you won't post pictures of the machines
> you are trying to sell?
>
>
You didn't get the reason because Dr. Dave was used as a tool to justify
> I didn't quite get the reason you won't post pictures of the machines
> you are trying to sell?
>
>
the cost and the quality. We have seen DD's work and the key line work
and color match are fucking pathetic at best and rediculous.
This hobby is full of posers and make-believers that want to leverage
the ignorance of the noobs that either have too much money and/or too
much to gain on flip and propegate the bullshit like this OP offered.
Fuck, anyone with a sense of skill or genuine ability in anything other
than total deception and ill-intent to the public would post and buy
into this bullcrap and then make it someone else's problem with a quick
turn in a bubble market.
Finally, and I mean we all have some responsibility to call the shit
what it is, pull the plug on this putz and those in kahootz/association
of mention so we flush out the hobby and it functionally its returned to
a reasonable sense of market/reality other than pump and dump TV shows
and assholes looking to make a quick buck or two from another machine
sale on the ignorant/unsuspecting.
Isn't it time folks take back the hobby?
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Steve2010
May 17, 2013, 6:15:21 AM5/17/13
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To all the ones wanting images, as the seller said .... if you're
interested, contact him, he will provide. Really quite simple actually.
All the best with the sale.
As for Frank Farter -
Frank Furhter.;2073962 Wrote:
> Scott McClure wrote:
>
>
> Nothing like having a RGP 'rationale' cheerleader to help out the
> masses.
>
>
Nothing like having a guy like you Frank. Your charm is overwhelming.
>
>
> Nothing like having a RGP 'rationale' cheerleader to help out the
> masses.
>
>
I mean like, what dinosaur crapped in your corn flakes. Not just this
morning, but I mean like for everyday of your life. I hope you are
getting some help from someone, but of course, we are yet to see the
fruit of that. You need some serious help, you are always such a
miserable person.
Take the cactus out of your backside, and take a chill pill Francis.
--
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Gatecrasher
May 17, 2013, 9:06:52 AM5/17/13
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cpiel;2073985 Wrote:
> On May 16, 8:22*pm, Gatecrasher <zjw... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> I didn't quite get the reason you won't post pictures of the machines
> you are trying to sell?
>
>
> I didn't quite get the reason why you care? Are you seriously in the
>
> I didn't quite get the reason you won't post pictures of the machines
> you are trying to sell?
>
>
> market for these titles? If so, email me for pics and further details
> as the original post states. If not, let's move on.
The reason I want to see pics was because I was interested but I'm not
anymore.
I'll move on and ignore your posts in the future.
G
May 17, 2013, 9:14:36 AM5/17/13
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On Friday, May 17, 2013 12:28:23 AM UTC-4, Frank Furhter wrote:
> Gatecrasher wrote:
>
> > I didn't quite get the reason you won't post pictures ignorance of the noobs that either have too much money and/or too
> Gatecrasher wrote:
>
>
> much to gain on flip and propegate the bullshit like this OP offered.
>
>
>
> much to gain on flip and propegate the bullshit like this OP offered.
>
>
>
> it time folks take back the hobby?
>
>
>
> --
>
> The Frankster, a playfield prankster
>
> Once upon my crank her ballpark shrank.
>
> http://PinWiki.net, Prep-H 4 pinballers.
>
> CARGPB #42 (Its free to join, sign up now!)
Time to get out the troll broom and make a clean sweep.
>
>
>
> --
>
> The Frankster, a playfield prankster
>
> Once upon my crank her ballpark shrank.
>
> http://PinWiki.net, Prep-H 4 pinballers.
>
> CARGPB #42 (Its free to join, sign up now!)
cpiel
May 17, 2013, 12:19:37 PM5/17/13
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On May 17, 6:15 am, Steve2010 <europa2...@live.com.au> wrote:
> To all the ones wanting images, as the seller said .... if you're
> interested, contact him, he will provide. Really quite simple actually.
> All the best with the sale.
>
Thanks Steve - that's pretty much the idea.
> To all the ones wanting images, as the seller said .... if you're
> interested, contact him, he will provide. Really quite simple actually.
> All the best with the sale.
>
To address the folks who have contacted me about Nick's restoration
work, I just received a link from him where you can view several
titles. I placed it in a new thread called "Nick Raschilla's EM
Restorations" here and on pinside so people would have access to him
as a resource should they ever want an EM restored to this level.
Lastly, if anyone would like to put some plays on my games while
they're here - you're welcome anytime - just email me. cpiel AT
verizon DOT net
Madsci
May 17, 2013, 1:25:48 PM5/17/13
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cpiel
May 17, 2013, 1:32:02 PM5/17/13
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one of his customers, but I'll pass along the kind words to him.
Madsci
May 17, 2013, 1:34:47 PM5/17/13
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cpiel
May 17, 2013, 1:37:24 PM5/17/13
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to believe I know.
Madsci
May 17, 2013, 2:11:36 PM5/17/13
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