Krull Restoration link HEP
highendpins
challenging.
I will be making the most of everything there since replacement
parts on the game specifics are unobtainable.
http://christopherhutchins.com/gallery/album150
Christopher Hutchins
www.highendpins.com
http://christopherhutchins.com/gallery/albums.php
Lloyd Olson
masterpiece. Thank you for sharing the process on this one Chris ! LTG :)
"highendpins" <chutc...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
news:e666e39b-de7f-46e9...@e31g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
Beemus
Gail Bensema the customer? ;-)
Captain Neo
to be challenge, plus the text art by that scoop hole. There isn't
exactly close ups of the art all over the place.
Gott Lieb?
I'm sure it will be beautiful, but I'm curious how many hours go into
it.
Jim
TG
Got your work cut out for you on this one Chris. I know it'll look
fantastic when you're done with it. Looking forward to those pics.
Todd
Taylor-VA
pincorrect
> Really looking forward to following this one. bookmarked!
Are all the games in existence accounted for? What's something like
that going for if it were to hit the open market (in any condition)?
Is the game play decent? It looks a lot like Black Knight from the
top.
MHS
Count me as another who can't wait to see this.
Bryan Kelly
be restored?
I take it this is one of those time and material jobs? ;-)
Bryan (CARGPB 14)
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/bspins
Home of the EXECUTIVE Pin Footie http://www.pinfooties.com
Del
> Very cool, Chris. �Might I add, who else would one send a Krull to to
> be restored?
>
> I take it this is one of those time and material jobs? �;-)
>
> Home of the EXECUTIVE Pin Footie �http://www.pinfooties.com
>
> On Nov 23, 3:52�pm, highendpins <chutchi...@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > �Kicking off what will likely be a pretty long term project and quite
> > challenging.
> > �I �will be making the most of everything there since replacement
> > parts on the game specifics are unobtainable.
>
> >http://christopherhutchins.com/gallery/album150
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
When theres a Will, Theres a way !, I've seen worse at Chris's place
that turned out so
good I'd about be scared to play them .
If there was such a game I would be scared to play it would be this
one ! .
Cain't wait to see the results ,
Pin-Del,
cargpb28
Gott Lieb?
it. ;-)
Jim
On Nov 23, 7:06 pm, Bryan Kelly <bskel...@aol.com> wrote:
<snip>
> I take it this is one of those time and material jobs? ;-)
>
> Bryan (CARGPB 14)http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/bspins
Captain Neo
I like the gameplay. I've played pinmame version a lot. It's not bad
overall. Better than black knight for sure. But I think BK sucks ass.
pmwolf
I'd be terrified to work on that. =)
Why didn't they mass-produce this thing? Licensing issues, or
something?
Pete
Lloyd Olson
would cost too much to build and stopped the project. LTG :)
"pmwolf" <pmw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:20702964-615e-4a78...@1g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
twilightzonepinball
Looks like one of the upper PF plastics is not original, or is just
plain a different shade.
-Tom
http://home.myfairpoint.net/vze8f4tt/tomstwilightzonepinballmachineaccessories/index.html
w-mor...@ti.com
I will be very interested in this as well. Thanks for sharing your
process.
As with the Classic Sterns I restore there are no parts avaliable. I
an used to not having parts. At least with the classic sterns you
potentially can find a better part or you work towards constructing
the parts; which we do all the time.
Bill
AFM_TZ
Good old Krull.....fond memories of that film as a kid. Not a great
movie..... the legacy remains as a beat up pin.
Looking forward to the progress too - wishing you the best here...
Gott Lieb?
http://www.papinball.com/John_Trudeau_Interview.html
Jim
On Nov 23, 8:09 pm, pmwolf <pmw...@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
captkirk
Good luck with this one Chris, I'm sure it will turn out simply
amazing! Hope it is near completion by the next time I get down to see
you.
captkirk
Greg Kemnitz
get the restoration I wanted it to have.
It will be interesting to see how this progresses...
- Greg
Greg Kemnitz - KB0OSO - +1.763.548.2600 - g...@skypoint.com
mnpinball
> This looks like the one I used to own... Nice to see it is going to
> get the restoration I wanted it to have.
>
> It will be interesting to see how this progresses...
>
> - Greg
>
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:52:48 -0800 (PST), highendpins
>
> > Kicking off what will likely be a pretty long term project and quite
> >challenging.
> > I will be making the most of everything there since replacement
> >parts on the game specifics are unobtainable.
>
> >http://christopherhutchins.com/gallery/album150
>
> >Christopher Hutchins
> >www.highendpins.com
> >http://christopherhutchins.com/gallery/albums.php
>
> Greg Kemnitz - KB0OSO -+1.763.548.2600- g...@skypoint.com
I wondered if this was your game Greg, sadly I looked at your for sale
ad 2 years running and I never pulled the pin (pun intended). You are
literally in my back yard so to speak ;). Probably never find another ;
(
pincorrect
What was he asking for it?
Lloyd Olson
having Chris do the work. I hate to think of butt wipe who bought it from
you, owning a game like that. LTG :)
"Greg Kemnitz" <g...@skypoint.com> wrote in message
news:nfkmg59mccmsbboc2...@4ax.com...
Lloyd Olson
"pincorrect" <ico...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5ec3f9fd-5076-4235...@r31g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
Nafster
WoW! Was trying to get Greg's a while back but someone beat me to
it...Was also going to send it to HEP! lol
So glad it went to HEP and can't wait to see this baby be restored!
Thanks Chris!
ScooterMcTavish
Looks like a hybrid of Black Knight and Haunted House.
Neat piece from an obscure movie. Interested to see how a real pro
does a project.
Josh Lehan - Krellan
> Kicking off what will likely be a pretty long term project and quite
> challenging.
> I will be making the most of everything there since replacement
> parts on the game specifics are unobtainable.
>
> http://christopherhutchins.com/gallery/album150
>
> Christopher Hutchinswww.highendpins.comhttp://christopherhutchins.com/gallery/albums.php
Nice!
Need a "manual"? I still have the original TIFF files of the few
scanned pages I obtained. There's a schematic or two, and two pages
of rules/descriptions, but that's about it.
http://krellan.com/pinball/krull/
Josh
Josh Lehan - Krellan
> Are all the games in existence accounted for? What's something like
> that going for if it were to hit the open market (in any condition)?
No idea on the price. Sky's the limit, as only a few were made, and
there's more people who want the game and can afford it, than there
are games available. Anybody have a complete owner's list (only 10-or-
so games)?
> Is the game play decent? It looks a lot like Black Knight from the
> top.
It's fun for a little while. Unfortunately, the game doesn't have a
lot of long-term play appeal (at least for me).
No Multiball, unfortunately. (Would have been a great Multiball game,
as there's acres of open space for the balls to travel!) The game
uses two balls, but never seen at the same time. One ball is on the
main and upper levels. One ball is on the lower level. The game only
powers one playfield at a time.
Interestingly, there's two kickouts for the lower level: the ball
"trough" is shaped like an inverted V, and feeds one of the outlanes
randomly. The ball is kicked back into play from the outlane that it
came to rest on. This is hidden from view of the player. So, there's
a little surprise when the ball is launched on the lower level, as you
don't know from what direction it will come at first.
Clever bonus idea: there's two 3-digit score counters that represent
your bonus, and you are only awarded 10 points at a time. Very low
scoring. However, these two counters are *multiplied together*, so
your max bonus is 990 x 990 = 980,100 points, quite decent for a 7-
digit game. One bonus is the main playfield, and another bonus is the
upper and lower playfield. It's very hard to increment the bonus on
the main playfield, as it's so empty. There's almost nothing to do on
the main playfield, except go for "Transfer" which transfers the ball
to the lower playfield. About the only hittable targets on the main
playfield, are the bank of 5 standup targets, which are difficult to
complete and like to reflect the ball down the drain. I wish there
were more to do on it.
The upper playfield is interesting. The game uses that little saucer
to the left of the bumper, to slow down the ball and give you a chance
to use the upper left flipper, and that saucer is also a Transfer
opportunity. Hitting the drop targets on the upper playfield is fun
and builds up the bonus rather quickly. I think there's some subtle
rule for hitting the targets in a certain order, but I don't remember
it. The upper level isn't as fun as Black Knight, as there's no real
objective up there: you just hit the targets over and over, and
eventually drain. On BK, you at least have the goal of shooting the
lock.
The lower playfield is where the game's "Transfer" feature transfers
you to. It's difficult to view in real life, but it looks very, very
good: it's seen through a reducing lens. The ball appears to vanish
onto a huge playfield that angles about 45 degrees down away from the
player (it's an optical illusion, the playfield in real life is at the
same slope as the main level, and slightly smaller). It's dark down
there, and there's only a faint glow of lights. It's like you're
shooting the ball into a dark underworld/cave, and there's these *BIG
EYES* that light up at you. It's the Beast. Poke it in the eyes and
you get a letter in BEAST. Spell the entire word for a Special.
That's the entire game! Just keep spelling BEAST over and over again,
getting Specials.
What's more, on the left side of the lower playfield is a standup
target. It's a fairly easy shot. Hit it 4 times and you light one of
the inlanes/outlanes on the main level for Special. There's a total
of 4 inlane/outlane lights. Yes, this means that if you hit that
target 16 times, you'll have the lanes completely covered, with 4 lit
Specials!
Between spelling BEAST and getting those lanes lit, the game just
gives away the store. You don't need the Gottlieb free game mod on
this game, you'll probably never need to add credits! Surprisingly,
it's very hard to get the Extra Ball, much harder than Special.
There's very few scoring objectives on the game, other than getting
endless Specials. This game would work very well with Gottlieb's
unique "5 knocks" novelty mode: just convert Specials into points, but
still firing the knocker 5 times in a row to make the player feel like
they accomplished something.
Very good sound. There's a "soundtrack" with a very good repeating
bass line on the main playfield. I think it's the same sound as the
Krull video game, but since it's in an enormous pinball cabinet, it
really reverberates. You can feel the bass massaging your hands as
you play! On the lower level, you hear a growling/roaring sound from
the Beast as you fight him. That sound gets old, though, and pretty
soon you're just letting the ball drain, in order to bring back the
better sound on the main level (after lighting up all four lanes for
Special, of course).
Josh
Greg Kemnitz
years back said he had it reproduced. It wasn't the correct color,
but better than nothing. It would have been nice to have received the
pieces of the damaged one the reproduction replaced, but they did not
come with the machine.
Oh... and in person the color was clearly not a match, but I don't
remember it as being quite so glaringly different as it looks in the
picture.
- Greg
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:40:15 -0800 (PST), twilightzonepinball
<tomw...@myfairpoint.net> wrote:
>Looks like one of the upper PF plastics is not original, or is just
>plain a different shade.
>
>-Tom
Mark Clayton
Good luck with the restoration. If you need any scans or pics
of an original, let me know and I can get them from my game and/or
the NOS set of three playfields that I have for it.
-Mark
-----
http://pinballpal.com
highe...@windstream.net
> Chris:
>
> Good luck with the restoration. If you need any scans or pics
> of an original, let me know and I can get them from my game and/or
> the NOS set of three playfields that I have for it.
>
> -Mark
>
>
>
> highendpins wrote:
> > Kicking off what will likely be a pretty long term project and quite
> > challenging.
> > I will be making the most of everything there since replacement
> > parts on the game specifics are unobtainable.
>
> >http://christopherhutchins.com/gallery/album150
>
> > Christopher Hutchins
> >www.highendpins.com
Thanks Mark.
I also need to thank all the others that have emailed me offering to
help as well as those that wish me luck. .
I think the biggest issue all Krull owners seem to have in common is
the plastics.Some more than others but all seem to need at least a
couple.
I have a good chance of getting them remade if I can get enough
interest so anyone that owns a Krull(I know there are very few)or
that would take a plastic set please let me know.The set I would try
to have made is the upper and mid playfield set not the lower set for
the playfield in the bottom of the cabinet.
twilightzonepinball
> Yes, that plastic is a reproduction. The person I bought it from many
> years back said he had it reproduced. It wasn't the correct color,
> but better than nothing. It would have been nice to have received the
> pieces of the damaged one the reproduction replaced, but they did not
> come with the machine.
>
> Oh... and in person the color was clearly not a match, but I don't
> remember it as being quite so glaringly different as it looks in the
> picture.
>
> - Greg
>
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:40:15 -0800 (PST), twilightzonepinball
>
> >Looks like one of the upper PF plastics is not original, or is just
> >plain a different shade.
>
> >-Tom
>
> Greg Kemnitz - KB0OSO - +1.763.548.2600 - g...@skypoint.com
I'm thinking custom pop bumper caps with these:
http://www.bladeplay.com/item--Master-Knives-Airclaw--2417
-Tom
http://home.myfairpoint.net/vze8f4tt/tomstwilightzonepinballmachineaccessories/index.html
Dan Beck
"highendpins" <chutc...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
news:e666e39b-de7f-46e9...@e31g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> Kicking off what will likely be a pretty long term project and quite
> challenging.
> I will be making the most of everything there since replacement
> parts on the game specifics are unobtainable.
>
> http://christopherhutchins.com/gallery/album150
>
> Christopher Hutchins
> www.highendpins.com
> http://christopherhutchins.com/gallery/albums.php
Hi Chris,
well, I would say that particular game is in the best hands for its proper
restoration. :-) Hopefully you will have a photo album of the completed
product after it is completed. The owner of that game will be very pleased,
indeed! :-)
In photo 26 where you show the circuit boards in the head, you lament the
loss of a 'voltage regulator' on the board in the left upper corner. Fear
not! That board is a standard System 80/System 80A power supply board, and
the main voltage regulator (or 5 Volt pass transistor, if you will...) is
actually mounted on the other side of the board, and you cannot see it. You
simply see the solders for it, on the front side of the board.
Regards,
Dan
highendpins
wrote:
> "highendpins" <chutchi...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
Thanks Dan.
I did end up pulling that board since it won't boot(LED shows no 5
Volts) and see what you mean.First System 80 in here so there will be
much more to learn in that regard..
It looks pretty cooked in several areas so I ordered a replacement
power supply and driver board as well as a replacement capacitor for
the transformer area so hopefully I can get it to boot up and see
what I am working with pretty soon.
Ultimately I thought I would like to run a full set of original
boards in it to make it as true as possible but it might be better to
run solid replacements where available and just have the existing
boards serviced and included when the game is returned.Probably the
best of both worlds there.
I am curious what the smaller board up top goes to?There is no plug
for it and the other Krulls I have seen online look to have it
removed entirely as if it might have been there at some point but not
needed.
A little tougher to figure out what is "right" and what is wrong on a
game with so little documentation.Even worse when all games are
essentially prototypes. There is a cut wire tied off here and
there.Stuff like that is the worst when starting off on these types
of games.You just don't know if they did that during the build or if
it was done out in the field over the years to mask some other
problem. That kind of stuff is why I am really looking to get it
working 100% before I start breaking it down.
Gott Lieb?
connector that goes from the 40 pin DIP socket (TC1) on the CPU to
this board. Having the reset board connected is really unnecessary,
as long as the game will be "watched". The reset board resets the
CPU, should a display lock on, or if the CPU freezes for some reason.
And although the reset board is not needed, there is a diode and a
resistor added to the TC1 connector on later versions of the Sys80A
and Sy80B boards.
Jim
On Nov 24, 9:32 pm, highendpins <chutchi...@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
<snip>
Dan Beck
Hi Chris,
as usual, Jim (Gott Lieb) was dead on in his answer. That reset board is
not needed for home use where the game will be watched by human eyes. I
think that type of observation is an absolute requirement for a game like
Krull.
At the risk of starting a flame war, I would advocate rebuilding the
original boards, using them in the game, and save your money by not buying
the aftermarket parts. I have games going on 10 years with similarly toasty
power supply and driver boards, freshly rebuilt, and they work quite nicely,
thank you. Being one of the System 80 purists who populate this newsgroup
it is my opinion that Krull should be as original as it can be, while still
being presentable in a home arcade. Not an easy feat to accomplish, I
recognize.
Regards,
Dan
Mark Clayton
I'll look at the plastics in my game, and if I need even one,
I'm in.
-Mark
-----
http://pinballpal.com