This Is Interesting: Original Bally WMS Cactus Canyon Gun Mold On Ebay
NM
parts.
Most likely true--but not without a licensing agreement I'd imagine:
Neil
hobs
The licenceeeee is ther licencerrrr.
Hobbs
NM
NM
Hmm, interesting.
BoJo
MB
James must have the molds for the handles too!
What I don't understand is WHY ISN'T HE RUNNING MORE OF THESE instead
of selling them?? Pinballinc has everything needed to put these
molds into operation- including the license!
Makes NO SENSE. A crying shame.
I know a certain German company that will jump on these.
If the handles were available too- the full set (with license) would
be worth buying.
Geez.....
EZ E
Sure they sell for $500 when you can't find them. Once you make 300 no
one will pay more than $75. Ask Steve Young about parts people they
said they had to have. Once they were made people didn't buy. If you
have the tooling you have the "Rights". The key is having the tooling.
So the molds for the handle would have to be made, got $7000? That's
what it would take for good tooling that would last 1000+ runs. You
want just 200 run? $4K for the handles. You'll never get your money
back and James knows it. E
Bálint
and plans to make them. Now how is this?
Skooter
out there to make a big run . NOT WINNING
Skooter
Bay Area Amusements (Rick)
the tooling does not allow you to make anything unless you either have the
rights or have approval from someone who has the rights.
"EZ E" <erikh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Pinballace
<r...@bayareaamusements.com> wrote:
> That should read if you have the tooling you also need the rights. Having
> the tooling does not allow you to make anything unless you either have the
> rights or have approval from someone who has the rights.
>
>
> news:6724ab86-4fc5-4c65...@d28g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > If you sit and think about making parts it doesn't make any sense!
> > Sure they sell for $500 when you can't find them. Once you make 300 no
> > one will pay more than $75. Ask Steve Young about parts people they
> > said they had to have. Once they were made people didn't buy. If you
> > have the tooling you have the "Rights". The key is having the tooling.
> > So the molds for the handle would have to be made, got $7000? That's
> > what it would take for good tooling that would last 1000+ runs. You
> > want just 200 run? $4K for the handles. You'll never get your money
>
> - Show quoted text -
Most parts for machinery are not copyrighted thus no license are
required at all to manufacture and sell (unless of course they are
patented).
As for original tooling, you may want to check the case history of
companies who sell tooling used specifically for the purpose of
manufacturing a copyright parts. Mainly when the company sells the
tooling with pre-knowledge that the tooling is being purchased for the
specific purpose of manufacturing parts.
MB
Why did you decide to sell these vs running a small run?
Pinballace
>
> - Show quoted text -
We've been working on way too many projects lately (if you're
attending the Midwest Gaming Classic you'll get to see some of the
stuff we've been doing) and wouldn't have time to run them for a
while.
Bálint
than someone who would use them for production
Bryan Kelly
there next weekend to visit. Most of us only want you to reproduce
what it is that we need at the time, not what the masses may need or
what may actually be making you enough money to continue.
Hopefully, someone who wants to make these parts, and has the time,
ends up buying these molds. But they could also end up with a
collector who'll do nothing with them and that would be a shame.
BTW We could still really use that center ramp for AFM. :-)
Bryan (CARGPB 14)
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/bspins
On Mar 19, 6:45 pm, Pinballace <pinball...@raidersfan.net> wrote:
>
> We've been working on way too many projects lately (if you're
> attending the Midwest Gaming Classic you'll get to see some of the
> stuff we've been doing) and wouldn't have time to run them for a
> while.- Hide quoted text -
Rum-Z
+1 on this one!
Jeff R.
Pinballace
> It's always exciting to see what you're working on, James, and I'll be
> there next weekend to visit. Most of us only want you to reproduce
> what it is that we need at the time, not what the masses may need or
> what may actually be making you enough money to continue.
>
> Hopefully, someone who wants to make these parts, and has the time,
> ends up buying these molds. But they could also end up with a
> collector who'll do nothing with them and that would be a shame.
>
> BTW We could still really use that center ramp for AFM. :-)
>
> Bryan (CARGPB 14)http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/bspins
Look forward to seeing you! Please, please update your GPS, the
cornfields in Wisconsin may not be as convenient as Illinois, ;-)
Bryan Kelly
Bryan (CARGPB 14)
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/bspins
EZ E
the bar. Sounds like James knows what I've already been told. E
NM
> BTW We could still really use that center ramp for AFM. :-)
Ditto.
Pinballace
> On Mar 18, 10:16 pm, NM <rp272...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > Matching set--here's the mountain:
>
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Bally-WMS-Cactus-Canyon-Mountain-Mold-/3...
>
> James must have the molds for the handles too!
The handles are a different type mold, an injection mold. Quite
different than a thermoforming mold and a different manufacturing
process.
Brian Shepherd
> I'll stick with my staement on tooling rights. My cousel has passed
> the bar. Sounds like James knows what I've already been told. E
This would certainly fall under a gray area of copyright law and it's
not a slam dunk either way, one only needs to look at the automotive
world for many examples of this. This mold creates something that is
both functional AND something that is artwork at the same time so it's
something that is clear cut. It's certainly an interesting topic and I
would be curious to what would happen. (We will find out within the
next 30 years, as 3D printers take the world by storm!)
The gun handles are another story, since they are completely non
functional and I would be surprised if some could reproduce these
legally.
Of course, IANAL, but following copyright issues is a hobby of mine
and I have seen this pop up in the car collector market for years.
-- Brian
Hardware
> It's always exciting to see what you're working on, James, and I'll be
> there next weekend to visit. Most of us only want you to reproduce
> what it is that we need at the time, not what the masses may need or
> what may actually be making you enough money to continue.
>
> Hopefully, someone who wants to make these parts, and has the time,
> ends up buying these molds. But they could also end up with a
> collector who'll do nothing with them and that would be a shame.
>
> BTW We could still really use that center ramp for AFM. :-)
>
>
> On Mar 19, 6:45 pm, Pinballace <pinball...@raidersfan.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > We've been working on way too many projects lately (if you're
> > attending the Midwest Gaming Classic you'll get to see some of the
> > stuff we've been doing) and wouldn't have time to run them for a
> > while.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
Yeah I just asked on the group yesterday why they weren't making the
AFM Center Ramp. I'm guessing they are busy with other stuff. Glad
it's a possibility in the future.
-Brian
Aeneas - www.flippers.be
Copyright was for artwork (drawings) and not 3D objects, no ?
How is this different from the repro whitewater boulders we saw years
ago ?
As far as I remember, these mountains were reproduced without any
problem, but not the little bigfoot cave sign because that part is
protected by copyright ?
Aeneas.
-- http://www.flippers.be
Bryan Kelly
I shall report back next wwek. ;-)
Bryan (CARGPB 14)
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/bspins
On Mar 21, 10:14 am, Hardware <xsimmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Yeah I just asked on the group yesterday why they weren't making the
> AFM Center Ramp. I'm guessing they are busy with other stuff. Glad
> it's a possibility in the future.
>
> -Brian- Hide quoted text -
Hardware
-Brian
On Mar 21, 12:06 pm, Bryan Kelly <bskel...@aol.com> wrote:
> I plan on giving James the "beat down" this weekend at the MGC.
>
> I shall report back next wwek. ;-)
>
> Bryan (CARGPB 14)http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/bspins
freeman
> the tooling does not allow you to make anything unless you either have the
> rights or have approval from someone who has the rights.
Can someone make a part, but not sell the part, nor give the part
away?
psk445
sound?
Aeneas - www.flippers.be
> > That should read if you have the tooling you also need therights. Having
> > the tooling does not allow you to make anything unless you either have the
>
> Can someone make a part, but not sell the part, nor give the part
> away?
yes you can always make parts for your own use..
that's what I intend to do now :-)
Aeneas.
-- http://www.flippers.be