BDK Costco...what will they sell for used 18 months from now?
RD Reynolds
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karmatose
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Hopefully for DE/Sega money. I'd like to get one.
Hooked
If collectors go after them I can see the sellers really feeling
cheated.
Thinking they bought a normal $4k machine they see on E-pay getting
the "great deal for $3600 (with tax).
Then fielding offers for 1500 -2k cash (my guess assuming they will
drop like other NIB games after 18 months).
MrBally
Buy it to play, not to resell.
PT
> drop like other NIB games after 18 months).
I think they will drop a lot faster than the full versions. Enough to
eat up the up-front savings and then some. Lets face it; the
secondary buyers WILL be collectors - not some noob walking through
Costco who has no clue they aren't buying the real thing.
But hey, that's not Stern's problem. If it sells more games and helps
their bottom line, I say more power to them. (I still say they should
clearly label it "home" or "Lite" version).
John
gpsdrew
name of RFB (Reduced Fun Batman)
DRew
Lloyd Olson
Mr pinball - $4500
Craigslist - $5000
Here - $0 ( when you find you can't update software to add in stuff left
out, and you can't afford or find the toys left out.
LTG :)
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goatdan
> > Then fielding offers for 1500 -2k cash (my guess assuming they will
> > drop like other NIB games after 18 months).
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> I think they will drop a lot faster than the full versions. Enough to
> eat up the up-front savings and then some. Lets face it; the
> secondary buyers WILL be collectors - not some noob walking through
> Costco who has no clue they aren't buying the real thing.
Ding ding ding! That's exactly right. The secondary market for these
games will be collectors, and based on the amount of bitching on these
boards, I can't imagine them getting a cent more than $500. At least
I hope not, as I'd gladly pick one up for that price.
Truthfully, we need some collectors to get one and put it out
somewhere for people to play, like at a few shows or something. If
people play it and it is awesome, it will command a pretty penny
still. If they play it, and it is greatly reduced gameplay like some
(who haven't played it) claim, it will sell for a lot less. If the
regular BDK sells for $3500 and this one is almost as much fun, I
could see it commanding $3000. But again, since non-collectors will
have it, what will they be asking to get? $2000? $3000? $5000? Who
knows. Also, they really need to make more than 48 of these to
determine a true price, otherwise they will be so rare and I doubt
there will be that many changing hands enough to determine a 'real'
price.
With 48, lets say 24 go into the homes of non-collectors who just want
a machine for looks and rarely ever play it -- thus they never sell
it. That means the rest of the machines would have to be sold once
every two years for us to see them pop up for sale once a month.
Unless this really becomes something that they do, I don't foresee the
sales of these being anywhere near normal ever. Heck, just for the
uniqueness of it, if it plays really well, it might keep it's value
really well.
Jack
There's no "added value" to these, they are not collector games at
Costco. If anything, add the toys and update the code and change the
coin door (Canadian maybe?) and you can put it on location. I bought a
BDK off Route for $2200 and flipped it last week for $2500. It needed
work. Route games are beat!
An operator has 100+ Stern Pins he is thinking about trading me at the
end of the summer towards Elaut Cranes. The highest prices I offered
him was $1500. The games are all wrecked, need playfields, plastic
sets, displays, targets, everything....some are "worth" just $800 for
a 9 year old Stern. My customers are picky but if the price is good
enough, they are less picky.
Ops don't take care of these games the right way. There is hardly any
used Stern market because ops are not trading for new games either. If
the deal happens, I'll share it here but he is looking for $4800 for a
routed POTC from 2006 - sheesh......
I'm taking a couple of containers of used Stern pins back from Europe
too at the end of the Summer, prices like $1500 to $2000 mixed titles.
Europe is dumping older titles.
Jack
Lloyd Olson
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over there stabilizes.
They are also probably buying less, which isn't good for anybody. EU needs
to be healthy for good pinball health.
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hagis_u
$5.00....or less..;-) I understand this move from a business/investor
point of view; to tap into a market were "its only pinball, and it
would look good next to the pool table/table soccer we picked up from
costco last month". Personally, not interested in stripped down BDK
whatsoever.
underlord
My concern is the sellers in the future whether deliberately or
mistankingly selling these BDKC pins as BDK pins instead. Someone,
somewhere is gonna get burned!
Out of the box, you can see what's missing; my concern is for the
buyer's of the NIB squatters a year from now.
--Rick.
Big12bus
And what business have you run in Pinball lately ?? Please explain
your million dollar pinball business so we can thrash it. Please let
us know. ??? WTF ???
Big12bus
So you have ran a pinball business before or sold retail ??
Bill
Lloyd Olson
done. Not to mention the limited edition Monopoly pins. He was I believe
their #2 distributor for some time. LTG :)
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Lloyd Olson
Running amusement parks and all kinds of great things.
Hard to trash something that is successful. You might want to read carefully
his posts. LTG :)
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underlord
Don't need to run a pinball business to see that the Stern Shipping
box just says : Batman on it ( BDKC for simplicities sake). Can be
confused with Stern's complete BDK presently available. If you
purchased this pin from Costco, without the benefits of RGP let's say,
without prior knowledge of any BDK pin options available, and then,
went to a pinball show let's say, and saw an original BDK, spoke with
a few folks, only to find out they paid $3800 or less for their's and
you paid $3300 for yours with different software(?), less pf toys, and
different coin door, cheaper pf supports and legs, (What, already
maybe $800 difference if purchased individually??) Would you support
that business model? Bad enough that the BDK now shipped from Stern
are coming with plastic aprons and cheaper supports for the same
money.
I support Stern in every way. But this is borderline fraud is all.
Hell, if Stern sent these to distributors other than Costco, imagine
it being potluck on a pin purchase!! All they have to do is rename
the boxes!!! Just rename the friggin' boxes. I LOVE the idea of a
retail store selling pinball machines! LOVE IT! The more publicity,
the better! If done right, this could save Stern!
--Rick.
MrBally
For the NIB squatters, note that the Costco BDK's have a Capital
letter S written just below the Serial Number. I'm guessing "S" for
"Special". Keep this in mind if purchasing a NIB game from someone who
is not an authorized Stern distributor.
Big12bus
Rick, I understand your point, you are saying there is a law that
Stern is breaking ?? I know of one immediately to reference. Are
you saying that when Miller beer charges more for the same product by
weight in a different package then this is fraud ? The beer companies
would be hurting if this is the case. Look what they do with the
bottles.
Please explain ?
Bill
frenchy
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> Ding ding ding! That's exactly right. The secondary market for these
> games will be collectors, and based on the amount of bitching on these
> boards, I can't imagine them getting a cent more than $500. At least
> I hope not, as I'd gladly pick one up for that price.>>
So is this going to be the new norm? Suckers in Costco buy these
'partial games', then collectors end up getting them for a few dimes
on the dollar? Then maybe they order the parts to make them full-blown
games again? Wonder how much it would cost to make this one a 100%
BDK. Is there anything about this cut-down version that makes it so
you couldn't do that?
chuck
> Ebay - $4500
> Mr pinball - $4500
> Craigslist - $5000
> Here - $0 ( when you find you can't update software to add in stuff left
> out, and you can't afford or find the toys left out.
> LTG :)
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0?
The toys they left out were lame anyway. The code is great and has
probably seen it's last update. So a nice huo one would be worth at
least 2k IMO
frenchy
> > If collectors go after them I can see the sellers really feeling
> > cheated.> > Thinking they bought a normal $4k machine they see on E-pay getting> > the "great deal for $3600 (with tax).
> > Then fielding offers for 1500 -2k cash (my guess assuming they will
> > drop like other NIB games after 18 months).>>
I don't know why they should feel immune to the normal depreciation of
amusement games, or of anything else brand new for that matter? They
also buy brand new refrigerators and tvs and washing machines, and
certainly have enough experience and sense to know that if they use it
for 2 or 3 years and then put it in the Pennysaver, they are only
going to get a fraction of what they paid. Hell a new pin is still
going to do a better job at holding it's value than that other stuff.
Rare Hero
> The code is great and has probably seen it's last update.
Ye have little faith.... ;)
Greg
Big12bus
When I had my retail store most folks equated it to quarters. If they
played it a few years and 100's of times they really thought they got
there money and worth out of it. Anything they get for the game in
return was just a bonus. None of them ever really expected anything
back if we ever took in a trade. When we took them in for a few
hundred then what they bought if for they were "blown" away. Everyone
we sold too never looked at a pinball machine as any investment. It
was a consumable that got used and abused by the family and friend.
Bill
Tom
lites. I don't think they will be "collectible". Will they will stop
at 48 if there is still a market?
Tom
Dr_Gonzo
You seem to be a hot item all of a sudden. Everyone's really exicted
about you. Thing is, I think you suck. Yeah, the crane is cool and the
bridge too, but other than that, you're kinda lame.
Sorry,
Doc Gonzo
PDX_Pinball
All these people saying $0 are making a statement, but let's be
realistic for a minute. Let's assume BDK stays around $3500 for HUO
and routed games that have been shopped go for around $3100. I
haven't seen any BDK's come off route yet so guessing on that price.
Assuming those prices are stable, I would expect the BDK:CE's to have
a market in the $2000-$2400 range. Some people wouldn't buy one at
any price, but I suspect you'd find alot of buyers in this price
range. If anyone has one for sale for $2200 in the Pacific Northwest,
I'll buy it. So there, the resale price has been set.
Bob
underlord
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No, no, no, not actually breaking any laws. Stern just needs to make
sure that the pins are labeled for consumer protection is all. I was
not aware that the serial numbers printed on the boxes have an 'S' on
them; I guess that would suffice for now.
Besides, Miller Beer having a different packaging is noticeable. A
big refrigerator box that just says Stern 'Batman' on it doesn't relay
which model ( BDK or BDKC) is inside. (BDKWTF is better! :) Lovin'
that one guys! )
--Rick.
goatdan
I'm not sure if you were referring to Jack's reply or mine when you
quoted this, as I don't think anything in my reply has anything to do
with running a business in pinball, it's all conjecture. If you're
saying that to Jack, well, you are talking to someone with a million
dollar pinball business.