rec.games.pbm Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
Greg Lindahl
Last-modified: 2003/05/09
Play by Mail Games Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
Play by Mail Games Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
Welcome to rec.games.pbm! This is a newsgroup for discussing play by
mail games, both ordinary mail and electronic mail, and both wargames
and non-wargames.
There is a PBM WWW homepage at: http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/pbm.html
1) What is Play By Mail?
2) What games get talked about here?
3) What other games are there?
4) Are there any mailing lists for PBM games?
5) I read German or Russian or Italian. Do I win a prize?
6) Is commercial advertising allowed here?
7) How can I generate trustable dice rolls?
8) How do I find oponents for board games?
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1) What is play by mail?
PBM stands for "play by mail". Since this IS the Internet, we use it
to mean both ordinary postal mail and electronic mail. Games like
Diplomacy have been played via postal mail since the 1960's, starting
with John Boardman's 'zine. The US commercial PBM market was started
by Rick Loomis of Flying Buffalo in the early 1970's. Now there are
commercial PBM companies all over the world. In addition, there is
some activity in role-playing games via mail.
Why play PBM games? Well, even though the commercial games are
expensive, they offer some things that some people have a hard time
finding face to face -- good opponents, convenient playing times, and
games with lots of hidden information. Non-commercial games can offer
the same benefit, as long as the people running it are dedicated.
How do PBM games work? Generally you mail in orders to a moderator,
human or computer, once a week, and they mail the results back to you.
A PBM game can be as simple as a human running an ordinary Dungeons &
Dragons game, or a 45,000 line program moderating a fantasy
strategic/role-playing game with 50 pages of rules.
PBEM games -- those conducted via email -- are generally played by
mailing human-readable files back and forth. A few games require
special software on your home computer; if so, it will be mentioned in
the game desription, if there is one.
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2) What games get talked about here?
Many postings on this group will have a game name mentioned in the
subject line. If you post, please mention the game in the subject so
that others who are interested in the same game will actually read
your postings. Some frequently mentioned games are:
Adventurer's Guild (AG): a commercial fantasy arena combat game.
It has its own FAQ posting.
Atlantis: a free or commercial strategic fantasy PBeM. The largest
existing game of Atlantis is Eressea.
Duelmasters (DM): a commercial fantasy arena combat game.
Galaxy: a free PBeM originally written by Russell Wallace, with a
space setting. It exists in several forms, including Blinde Galaxy,
and GalaxyNG.
Legends: a commercial D&D-type simulation in which 200 players
wander around a large map trying to become more powerful.
Middle Earth (ME-PBM): a commercial strategic simulation of J. R. R.
Tolkien's fantasy universe.
Quest: an open-ended commercial fantasy PBM game.
In addition, other PBM games are discussed in separate newsgroups:
Core Wars and C++ Robots: a game of battling programs. An email server is available
for an ongoing tournament. Discussion about Core Wars
generally takes place in rec.games.corewar.
Diplomacy: a boardgame often played by email. Discussion for this
game generally takes place in the group rec.games.diplomacy.
Board games: games such as Empires in Arms, Third Reich, and Axis and
Allies are discussed on rec.games.board, and are
sometimes played by mail.
Chess: discussed in rec.games.chess.play-by-mail
Fantasy Baseball and Football: discussed in rec.games.sport.baseball.fantasy
and rec.games.sport.football.fantasy
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3) What other games are there?
The PBM List is a list of all PBM Games on the planet, pretty much. It
has details about all the free games that I know of, plus a paragraph
each on a bunch of commercial games, plus a list of all PBM Games on
the planet courtesy of Flagship Magazine.
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4) Are there any mailing lists for pbm games?
There are several:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PBMDesign
leads you to an mailing list about game design.
These mailing lists concentrate on particular games:
Adventurer's Guild -- write majo...@teleport.com saying
`subscribe guild-l' in the body of your letter.
BSE (Beyond the Stellar Empire, SMG version) -- write
BSE_List-...@yahoogroups.com saying anything in the body of the
message (this replaces the RTG version of BSE)
BSE (Beyond the Stellar Empire, KJC version) -- write
KJC-Phoeni...@yahoogroups.com saying anything in the body of the
message
DM (Duelmasters) -- write duel-su...@egroups.com
DungeonWorld -- write DungeonWorl...@yahoogroups.com saying
anything in the body of the message.
EiA (Empires in Arms) -- write majo...@indiana.edu saying `help'
Godfather -- write godfather-...@onelist.com saying anything in
the body of the message
Legends -- write majo...@listbox.com saying
`subscribe legends' in the body of your message
LOTE (Lords of the Earth) -- write LOTE-L-s...@yahoogroups.com saying
anything in the body of the message.
MI (Monster Island) -- (another newsletter) write ab...@dial.pipex.com
Midgard -- write majo...@midgardusa.com saying
'subscribe midgard' in the body of your message.
Mortis Maximus -- write MortisMaxim...@yahoogroups.com saying
anything in the body of the message.
Necromancer -- write Necromancer...@yahoogroups.com saying anything
in the body of the message.
Polaris -- write polarismai...@yahoogroups.com saying anything in
the body of the message.
Quest -- write quest-s...@onelist.com saybing anything in the body
of your message
SDW (Stars of the Dark Well) -- write majo...@data1.com saying
'subscribe sdw' in the body of your message.
Star Fleet Warlord -- write sfw-list-...@onelist.com saying
anything in the body of the message
Steel Fury -- write SteelFury...@yahoogroups.com saying anything in
the body of the message.
Third Reich -- write gold...@texas.net (Chris Goldfarb), he has a
list of people interested in PBM play.
Victory! -- write victory-L...@yahoogroups.com saying anything in the
body of the message.
World War IV -- write ww4-list-...@onelist.com saying anything in
the body of the message
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5) I read German or Russian or Italian. Do I win a prize?
Yes! There is a newsgroup de.alt.games.pbem with some interesting
things going on, but it's all in German. Some German-language games
are included in the PBM List mentioned in section (3) above.
Likewise, there is a newsgroup relcom.games.pbem, which is mostly
in Russian. They play a lot of "Galaxy" in Russia.
Likewise, there is a newsgroup it.comp.giochi.pbem, which is mostly
in Italian.
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6) Is commercial advertising allowed here?
Usenet is traditionally a non-commercial place, because many people
who read the Net are actually paying to receive articles. Posting an
advertisement is somewhat like sending them junk fax. However, there
are three exceptions to this rule:
A) There is an entire hierarchy of commercial groups, called "biz.*".
These groups allow advertising. But this group isn't in that
hierarchy, and biz.* isn't well propagated because no one wants it.
B) Traditionally, a single, short, tasteful, fact-filled (not
hype-filled) advertisement for a product will be favorably
received.
C) Most groups, like this one, have some informational postings which
will list, in one place and in a consistent format, commercial
information. In this case, the list is the "PBM List", mentioned in
section 4 above, which is posted twice a month and is available via
WWW and ftp.
So if you are a commercial company and wish to make information about
your game available on Usenet, (C) is your best bet. Send email to
lindahl@pbm.com and I'll tell you what information I need to put you
on the list.
[ For more information about this Usenet tradition, please
see http://www.cs.ruu.nl/wais/html/na-dir/usenet/advertising/how-to/part1.html. ]
Other than posting basic information about your game, supporting your
game on the group is encouraged -- if folks have questions, post and
answer them. It's only repetitive hype-filled postings, or perhaps
repetitive answers of the same question, that will tick off
Usenetters.
If you did post an advertisement, it might pay to use the [AD] keyword
for it, but you might not want to use that for a single, fact-filled
advertisement ((B) above) because people might ignore it, thinking
it's a repeated ad. I haven't seen much use of this keyword yet, so
I don't have much practical advice to give regarding it.
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7) How can I generate trustable dice rolls?
Many boardgames and other self-moderated PBEM games need lots of dice
rolled. One good way to do this is to use an email server: you tell it
the address of your opponent, and it rolls dice and sends a mail
message to both of you. This way, both sides can trust the answer.
One such email server is:
Send mail with "help" in the body of the message, and it will send
instructions.
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8) How do I find oponents for board games?
Eric Pass maintains a directory of gamers who want to play various
board games by mail. You can contact him at ep...@nyx.net or you can
check out his WWW pages at:
http://www.nyx.net/~epass/pbemlist.html
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If you think of other useful topics for this FAQ, please send me mail
at lindahl@pbm.com. If you're tired of seeing this posting, add the
subject line to your kill file.
Greg
Lindahl
(lindahl@pbm.com)
Greg Lindahl
raho...@gmail.com
> Archive-name: games/play-by-mailLast-modified: 2003/05/09 Play by Mail Games Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)Play by Mail Games Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)Welcome to rec.games.pbm! This is a newsgroup for discussing play by mail games, both ordinary mail and electronic mail, and both wargames and non-wargames.There is a PBM WWW homepage at: http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/pbm.html1) What is Play By Mail?2) What games get talked about here? 3) What other games are there? 4) Are there any mailing lists for PBM games? 5) I read German or Russian or Italian. Do I win a prize? 6) Is commercial advertising allowed here? 7) How can I generate trustable dice rolls? 8) How do I find oponents for board games?----------------------------------------------------------------------1) What is play by mail?PBM stands for "play by mail". Since this IS the Internet, we use it to mean both ordinary postal mail and electronic mail. Games like Diplomacy have been played via postal mail since the 1960's, starting with John Boardman's 'zine. The US commercial PBM market was started by Rick Loomis of Flying Buffalo in the early 1970's. Now there are commercial PBM companies all over the world. In addition, there is some activity in role-playing games via mail.Why play PBM games? Well, even though the commercial games are expensive, they offer some things that some people have a hard time finding face to face -- good opponents, convenient playing times, and games with lots of hidden information. Non-commercial games can offer the same benefit, as long as the people running it are dedicated.How do PBM games work? Generally you mail in orders to a moderator, human or computer, once a week, and they mail the results back to you. A PBM game can be as simple as a human running an ordinary Dungeons & Dragons game, or a 45,000 line program moderating a fantasy strategic/role-playing game with 50 pages of rules.PBEM games -- those conducted via email -- are generally played by mailing human-readable files back and forth. A few games require special software on your home computer; if so, it will be mentioned in the game desription, if there is one.----------------------------------------------------------------------2) What games get talked about here?Many postings on this group will have a game name mentioned in the subject line. If you post, please mention the game in the subject so that others who are interested in the same game will actually read your postings. Some frequently mentioned games are:Adventurer's Guild (AG): a commercial fantasy arena combat game. It has its own FAQ posting.Atlantis: a free or commercial strategic fantasy PBeM. The largest existing game of Atlantis is Eressea.Duelmasters (DM): a commercial fantasy arena combat game.Galaxy: a free PBeM originally written by Russell Wallace, with a space setting. It exists in several forms, including Blinde Galaxy, and GalaxyNG.Legends: a commercial D&D-type simulation in which 200 players wander around a large map trying to become more powerful.Middle Earth (ME-PBM): a commercial strategic simulation of J. R. R. Tolkien's fantasy universe.Quest: an open-ended commercial fantasy PBM game.In addition, other PBM games are discussed in separate newsgroups:Core Wars and C++ Robots: a game of battling programs. An email server is available for an ongoing tournament. Discussion about Core Wars generally takes place in rec.games.corewar.Diplomacy: a boardgame often played by email. Discussion for this game generally takes place in the group rec.games.diplomacy.Board games: games such as Empires in Arms, Third Reich, and Axis and Allies are discussed on rec.games.board, and are sometimes played by mail.Chess: discussed in rec.games.chess.play-by-mailFantasy Baseball and Football: discussed in rec.games.sport.baseball.fantasy and rec.games.sport.football.fantasy----------------------------------------------------------------------3) What other games are there?The PBM List is a list of all PBM Games on the planet, pretty much. It has details about all the free games that I know of, plus a paragraph each on a bunch of commercial games, plus a list of all PBM Games on the planet courtesy of Flagship Magazine.----------------------------------------------------------------------4) Are there any mailing lists for pbm games?There are several:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PBMDesign leads you to an mailing list about game design.These mailing lists concentrate on particular games:Adventurer's Guild -- write majo...@teleport.com saying `subscribe guild-l' in the body of your letter. BSE (Beyond the Stellar Empire, SMG version) -- write BSE_List-...@yahoogroups.com saying anything in the body of the message (this replaces the RTG version of BSE) BSE (Beyond the Stellar Empire, KJC version) -- write KJC-Phoeni...@yahoogroups.com saying anything in the body of the messageDM (Duelmasters) -- write duel-su...@egroups.com DungeonWorld -- write DungeonWorl...@yahoogroups.com saying anything in the body of the message. EiA (Empires in Arms) -- write majo...@indiana.edu saying `help' Godfather -- write godfather-...@onelist.com saying anything in the body of the messageLegends -- write majo...@listbox.com saying `subscribe legends' in the body of your message LOTE (Lords of the Earth) -- write LOTE-L-s...@yahoogroups.com saying anything in the body of the message. MI (Monster Island) -- (another newsletter) write ab...@dial.pipex.com Midgard -- write majo...@midgardusa.com saying 'subscribe midgard' in the body of your message. Mortis Maximus -- write MortisMaxim...@yahoogroups.com saying anything in the body of the message. Necromancer -- write Necromancer...@yahoogroups.com saying anything in the body of the message. Polaris -- write polarismai...@yahoogroups.com saying anything in the body of the message. Quest -- write quest-s...@onelist.com saybing anything in the body of your message SDW (Stars of the Dark Well) -- write majo...@data1.com saying 'subscribe sdw' in the body of your message. Star Fleet Warlord -- write sfw-list-...@onelist.com saying anything in the body of the message Steel Fury -- write SteelFury...@yahoogroups.com saying anything in the body of the message. Third Reich -- write gold...@texas.net (Chris Goldfarb), he has a list of people interested in PBM play. Victory! -- write victory-L...@yahoogroups.com saying anything in the body of the message. World War IV -- write ww4-list-...@onelist.com saying anything in the body of the message ----------------------------------------------------------------------5) I read German or Russian or Italian. Do I win a prize?Yes! There is a newsgroup de.alt.games.pbem with some interesting things going on, but it's all in German. Some German-language games are included in the PBM List mentioned in section (3) above.Likewise, there is a newsgroup relcom.games.pbem, which is mostly in Russian. They play a lot of "Galaxy" in Russia.Likewise, there is a newsgroup it.comp.giochi.pbem, which is mostly in Italian.----------------------------------------------------------------------6) Is commercial advertising allowed here?Usenet is traditionally a non-commercial place, because many people who read the Net are actually paying to receive articles. Posting an advertisement is somewhat like sending them junk fax. However, there are three exceptions to this rule:A) There is an entire hierarchy of commercial groups, called "biz.*". These groups allow advertising. But this group isn't in that hierarchy, and biz.* isn't well propagated because no one wants it.B) Traditionally, a single, short, tasteful, fact-filled (not hype-filled) advertisement for a product will be favorablyreceived.C) Most groups, like this one, have some informational postings which will list, in one place and in a consistent format, commercial information. In this case, the list is the "PBM List", mentioned in section 4 above, which is posted twice a month and is available via WWW and ftp.So if you are a commercial company and wish to make information about your game available on Usenet, (C) is your best bet. Send email to lindahl@pbm.com and I'll tell you what information I need to put you on the list.[ For more information about this Usenet tradition, please see http://www.cs.ruu.nl/wais/html/na-dir/usenet/advertising/how-to/part1.html. ] Other than posting basic information about your game, supporting your game on the group is encouraged -- if folks have questions, post and answer them. It's only repetitive hype-filled postings, or perhaps repetitive answers of the same question, that will tick offUsenetters. If you did post an advertisement, it might pay to use the [AD] keyword for it, but you might not want to use that for a single, fact-filled advertisement ((B) above) because people might ignore it, thinking it's a repeated ad. I haven't seen much use of this keyword yet, so I don't have much practical advice to give regarding it.----------------------------------------------------------------------7) How can I generate trustable dice rolls?Many boardgames and other self-moderated PBEM games need lots of dice rolled. One good way to do this is to use an email server: you tell it the address of your opponent, and it rolls dice and sends a mail message to both of you. This way, both sides can trust the answer.One such email server is:di...@pbm.comSend mail with "help" in the body of the message, and it will send instructions.----------------------------------------------------------------------8) How do I find oponents for board games?Eric Pass maintains a directory of gamers who want to play various board games by mail. You can contact him at ep...@nyx.net or you can check out his WWW pages at:http://www.nyx.net/~epass/pbemlist.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- If you think of other useful topics for this FAQ, please send me mail at lindahl@pbm.com. If you're tired of seeing this posting, add the subject line to your kill file.GregLindahl (lindahl@pbm.com)
D Johnson
Dean