[GW/Hobby] Hello!
marcus
flow (and flames, and flames and flames) of the group, and generally getting
a feel for it.
I only recently got into Warhammer, but man, does it have me now. In the
course of a few months (from thinking about it, to visiting a local hobby
store, to playing a few test games), I've gone from playing 40k, to buying
1k of Eldar, to playing Fantasy, buying a bunch of back issues of White
Dwarf, reading a ton of stuff online, reading about all of their other
games, and now considering getting into Warmaster, Mordheim, and just maybe,
Gothic as well. Aiee!
And some time ago I said I hated miniatures and had no interesting in
assembling or painting them, just playing the games... Which to be fair, is
still sorta true, but I've been at least partially converted by the somewhat
meditative quiet of putting together minis. I still dread the painting
though ;) But I definately respect the work out there, and I really like
seeing fully painted armies on nicely laid out tables between good
opponents.
Warhammer (in all its varied forms) is really appealing to me for a lot of
reasons, not the least of which being the fact that I genuinely have fun (a
lot of it!) win or lose. Given that I come from a background (and a job)
dealing with computer and video games, I'll say that definately isn't the
case for the bulk of online gaming. Playing with another human across the
table is a nice change. Even arguing about rules is somewhere between
amusing and entertaining (assuming you've chosen your opponent well...)
I've discovered a new passion and a new hobby. Fun stuff :) So, delurking a
bit, and saying hello to the regulars.
Patrick Magee
> reasons, not the least of which being the fact that I genuinely have fun
(a
> lot of it!) win or lose. Given that I come from a background (and a job)
> dealing with computer and video games, I'll say that definately isn't the
> case for the bulk of online gaming. Playing with another human across the
> table is a nice change. Even arguing about rules is somewhere between
> amusing and entertaining (assuming you've chosen your opponent well...)
>
> I've discovered a new passion and a new hobby. Fun stuff :) So, delurking
a
> bit, and saying hello to the regulars.
Well is nice to see a newb that follow the rules from the Faq, welldone and
welcome to the newsgroup and the hobby. Get used to the flames, most of the
time they are harmless though and just part of the NG humor.
If you want to check out something similar to Mordheim but set in the
Warhammer 40K universe, you should try and grab a hold of Necromunda, if you
can wait for it, Necromunda is going back on General release sometime in the
next year. Its nice and cheap due to you not needing many models and you
get attached to your gang as they recieve more skills and upgrades etc.
Also if your interesting in a more detailed Roleplay game type game then
Inquisitors your game, but then if you want a Indepth roleplay Game that is
set in the Warhammer World try Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay from Hogshead. I
am a recent convert to this game, despite having the book for some 14 odd
years.
Ohh you might also want to check into Warhammer Addicts Anonymous as well.
:)
Paddy
P Bowles
<Patric...@tesco.net> writes:
>Well is nice to see a newb that follow the rules from the Faq, welldone and
>welcome to the newsgroup and the hobby. Get used to the flames, most of the
>time they are harmless though and just part of the NG humor.
>If you want to check out something similar to Mordheim but set in the
>Warhammer 40K universe, you should try and grab a hold of Necromunda, if you
>can wait for it, Necromunda is going back on General release sometime in the
>next year.
Unfortunately its rules look very dated and are not being changed even slightly
- presumably after all this time Necromunda is no longer popular enough to
justify the costs of a revamp.
Its nice and cheap due to you not needing many models and you
>get attached to your gang as they recieve more skills and upgrades etc.
And need to keep buying new versions of the base models to chop up and add
their latest equipment to...
>Also if your interesting in a more detailed Roleplay game type game then
>Inquisitors your game,
But if you're interested in a game that won't turn you off GW for life, one
which has indepth or workable rules, or one which has any semblance of a
roleplaying element, Inquisitor definitely is *not* your game. It doesn't even
have the depth for roleplaying that Necromunda or Mordheim does, and it has no
campaign system. Think of a roleplaying game where the heroes get involved in
gunfights every so often. Remove the roleplaying element altogether and give
the gunfights poor rules. You now have Inquisitor.
Philip Bowles
Samuel Campbell
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>
> Ohh you might also want to check into Warhammer Addicts Anonymous as well.
>
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Patrick Magee
> >Also if your interesting in a more detailed Roleplay game type game then
> >Inquisitors your game,
>
> But if you're interested in a game that won't turn you off GW for life,
one
> which has indepth or workable rules, or one which has any semblance of a
> roleplaying element, Inquisitor definitely is *not* your game. It doesn't
even
> have the depth for roleplaying that Necromunda or Mordheim does, and it
has no
> campaign system. Think of a roleplaying game where the heroes get involved
in
> gunfights every so often. Remove the roleplaying element altogether and
give
> the gunfights poor rules. You now have Inquisitor.
>
I'd have to disagree, you can have as much roleplay in Inquisitor as you
want and as little as you want, its game that you bring to it, what you
expect to get out of it. With the addition of rules from the GM you can
have a proper roleplay game going, and the System is similar enough to
Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay that it allows you to nearly 90% of the time just
lift campaign rules out of that system and into Inquisitor, with some
modification of course. As for necromunda, the rules may seem dated but it
doesn't change the fact that the games is very fun to play but I guess this
just shows that the best course of action if you were interesting in taking
it up would be to go to a local store and ask for a demonstration. Then
you'll know if you like it or not.
Paddy
P Bowles
<Patric...@tesco.net> writes:
>I'd have to disagree, you can have as much roleplay in Inquisitor as you
>want and as little as you want, its game that you bring to it, what you
>expect to get out of it. With the addition of rules from the GM you can
>have a proper roleplay game going,
That's the thing - you need to make the game's core rules up as you go. On that
criterion yaghtzee can be a roleplaying game, with the advantages that it's
cheaper and has better mechanics...
As for necromunda, the rules may seem dated but it
>doesn't change the fact that the games is very fun to play but I guess this
>just shows that the best course of action if you were interesting in taking
>it up would be to go to a local store and ask for a demonstration.
The problem with Necromunda these days is called Mordheim - the campaign system
doesn't have quite the same appeal and the background isn't as well-realised,
but it has more variety and plays better in-game. Necromunda's saddled with a
close combat system from the dark days of 40k rules experimentation, a
table-based skills and wargear system that allows no room for development and
relatively little variety among the gang types. In other words, there's nothing
to keep the game fresh and little scope for the system to accommodate new
rules.
Philip Bowles
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: New to the group, been idling for about a month or so, watching the ebb and
: flow (and flames, and flames and flames) of the group, and generally getting
: a feel for it.
This group does have an annoying tendency to have more flames than useful
posts at times...one of the reasons slip away for a while from time to
time...
: I only recently got into Warhammer, but man, does it have me now. In the
: course of a few months (from thinking about it, to visiting a local hobby
: store, to playing a few test games), I've gone from playing 40k, to buying
: 1k of Eldar, to playing Fantasy, buying a bunch of back issues of White
: Dwarf, reading a ton of stuff online, reading about all of their other
: games, and now considering getting into Warmaster, Mordheim, and just maybe,
: Gothic as well. Aiee!
It can be quite an addiction once it gets going. I went from playing a
little bit to going nuts...I play Epic40k and have 3 armies for that. I
play Mordheim and have minis for all of the different warbands in the
rules. I play Necromunda and have a bunch of minis for that. I play 40k
and currently have 6 armies in various stages of completion for it. I
play Warhammer and have 4 or 5 armies for that one too...All started from
picking up a copy of Warhammer 3rd edition and the Realms of Chaos
hardback books many long moons ago.
: And some time ago I said I hated miniatures and had no interesting in
: assembling or painting them, just playing the games... Which to be fair, is
: still sorta true, but I've been at least partially converted by the somewhat
: meditative quiet of putting together minis. I still dread the painting
: though ;) But I definately respect the work out there, and I really like
: seeing fully painted armies on nicely laid out tables between good
: opponents.
Painting for me is a hobby in and of itself. I've never let my table top
needs dictate my painting hobby nor have I let my painting hobby dictate
what I use on the table. If I've got the mini and its built I'll use it
regardless of current paint job. Forcing myself to paint things I'm not
in the mood to paint makes me just not paint at all...As with everything
else, though, painting takes practice. Once you get into your groove you
will likely find it enjoying. Do yourself a favor and buying yourself
some good red sable paint brushes at an art supply store and steer way
clear of any hobby company paint brushes. That will make your painting
that much less annoying...;)
I have known and played with plenty of people who just don't paint their
minis at all beyond a primer type coat. This offends some people to the
core of their being, but if the minis are easily identifiable and WYSIWYG
aside from the paint job then I am more interested in having a good game
than worrying about painting.
: Warhammer (in all its varied forms) is really appealing to me for a lot of
: reasons, not the least of which being the fact that I genuinely have fun (a
: lot of it!) win or lose. Given that I come from a background (and a job)
: dealing with computer and video games, I'll say that definately isn't the
: case for the bulk of online gaming. Playing with another human across the
: table is a nice change. Even arguing about rules is somewhere between
: amusing and entertaining (assuming you've chosen your opponent well...)
A lot of people seem to lose sight of that bitching about rules and such
around here. The game is there to be played and to have fun with. If all
its doing is annoying you and making you angry its time to get a new
hobby, because in my world anger is not something hobby related...For me
anyone who cannot have fun at the table is someone I am never going to
bother wasting my time playing again. I'm not at the table to listen to
someone bitch that they are losing because they have no tactical sense. I
am at the table to enjoy myself. Its no fun winning if you opponent
whines the whole time. I like games where win or lose it was a great
game...
: I've discovered a new passion and a new hobby. Fun stuff :) So, delurking a
: bit, and saying hello to the regulars.
:
Welcome to the hobby and to RGMW...the hobby is worth the time...somedays
I'm not sure that RGMW is, though...;)
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Avatar
: Unfortunately its rules look very dated and are not being changed even slightly
: - presumably after all this time Necromunda is no longer popular enough to
: justify the costs of a revamp.
It works just fine as it is...For a change its *nice* to see that the
rules aren't being changed on the re-release so that the game will still
be the same game. For a change its nice that GW isn't making us feel the
need to buy a new copy.
: And need to keep buying new versions of the base models to chop up and add
: their latest equipment to...
Scare up enough plastics and such and you can just replace the models with
something that has the right gear. Not too big a deal. Its also not too
hard if you get some thin plastic card and make straps and harnesses for
different weapons that can just be slung over different models.
: But if you're interested in a game that won't turn you off GW for life, one
: which has indepth or workable rules, or one which has any semblance of a
: roleplaying element, Inquisitor definitely is *not* your game. It doesn't even
: have the depth for roleplaying that Necromunda or Mordheim does, and it has no
: campaign system. Think of a roleplaying game where the heroes get involved in
: gunfights every so often. Remove the roleplaying element altogether and give
: the gunfights poor rules. You now have Inquisitor.
Can't argue here. Inquisitor is as much a roleplaying game as checkers
is...
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marcus
> posts at times...one of the reasons slip away for a while from time to
> time...
Eh, I'm enough of a net veteran to just close the group and go read
something else for a few days/weeks/months if it gets really stupid. There
was actually a decent comment from one of the regulars on the rgmw.org page
about WHY a lot of the regulars are so actively hostile to certain types of
people. But it was written with a calm head at the time, so it made a lot of
sense, most of the torching I saw here of various hapless newbies before I
had read that (or been reading the group for awhile) seemed a bit excessive.
I can't blame them but so much, as I've seen a few of the groups I read
years and years ago become total garbage due to spammers and completely
worthless posters. I do think the signal/noise ratio is a little bad here
because of it though. But then, I have a choice between stupid spammers and
moron posters in other groups, or lots of flaming and arguments here, mixed
in with some good posts :)
> It can be quite an addiction once it gets going. I went from playing a
> little bit to going nuts...I play Epic40k and have 3 armies for that. I
> play Mordheim and have minis for all of the different warbands in the
> rules. I play Necromunda and have a bunch of minis for that. I play 40k
> and currently have 6 armies in various stages of completion for it. I
> play Warhammer and have 4 or 5 armies for that one too...All started from
> picking up a copy of Warhammer 3rd edition and the Realms of Chaos
> hardback books many long moons ago.
It's evil. Plus you have the mental justification of 'oh, well, once I buy
the army, I don't have to buy anything else'. Hah! I added it up the other
day, I've already spent somewhere in the neighborhood of $500 on books
*alone*, and I only have 1k of Eldar purchased. I want to get an army for
Fantasy, probably Warmaster and Mordheim, and possibly Gothic. And then
there's the whole multiple armies thing...
> Painting for me is a hobby in and of itself. I've never let my table top
> needs dictate my painting hobby nor have I let my painting hobby dictate
> what I use on the table. If I've got the mini and its built I'll use it
> regardless of current paint job. Forcing myself to paint things I'm not
> in the mood to paint makes me just not paint at all...As with everything
> else, though, painting takes practice. Once you get into your groove you
> will likely find it enjoying. Do yourself a favor and buying yourself
> some good red sable paint brushes at an art supply store and steer way
> clear of any hobby company paint brushes. That will make your painting
> that much less annoying...;)
I think I'll take you up on that advice. What would be a useful set of
sizes? Including a 'tank brush', I've got a Falcon to paint ;) I did pick up
the 40k boxed set really cheaply, sold the marines, and I'm keeping the DE
for painting sacrifice. That should help a bit if I paint the 20 of them
before I dive into my Eldar army and ruin it (well, I'll still ruin it, but
it'll give me that much more practice for my next army ;)). I really do want
to field a nicely painted Dwarfs army for Fantasy, but I'm not going to
paint it until I'm happy with my painting skills. That could take a good
long while, given that I have absolutely none just yet. No hurry :)
> I have known and played with plenty of people who just don't paint their
> minis at all beyond a primer type coat. This offends some people to the
> core of their being, but if the minis are easily identifiable and WYSIWYG
> aside from the paint job then I am more interested in having a good game
> than worrying about painting.
Meh. It's a game. You play a game with pieces. I know some folks are mighty
huffy and self righteous about painted armies, but those are the types of
people that I avoid at the hobby shop I frequent. I'm there to unwind and
take my mind off stresses, not listen to someone whine about the aethstetics
of a game.
> A lot of people seem to lose sight of that bitching about rules and such
> around here. The game is there to be played and to have fun with. If all
> its doing is annoying you and making you angry its time to get a new
> hobby, because in my world anger is not something hobby related...For me
> anyone who cannot have fun at the table is someone I am never going to
> bother wasting my time playing again. I'm not at the table to listen to
> someone bitch that they are losing because they have no tactical sense. I
> am at the table to enjoy myself. Its no fun winning if you opponent
> whines the whole time. I like games where win or lose it was a great
> game...
I figure it just goes with the territory. I haven't met anyone who is a
veteran of any game who isn't strongly opinionated. Put a bunch of them in
one place with the anonymity of the internet and watch the sparks fly. As
for the tabletop, I generally avoid opponents who are going to be rules
lawyers, the opposite (don't know the rules, get upset if you try to teach
them), or have some of the less desirable (but common) traits that tend to
go along with geeky hobbies like this one. It limits my opponent base a bit,
but I don't care about that all. I've had fun with ALL of the games I've
played over the last several months.
> Welcome to the hobby and to RGMW...the hobby is worth the time...somedays
> I'm not sure that RGMW is, though...;)
>
> Avatar
Thanks :) Probably not, but its an invaluable resource nontheless. I need
some similar minded people to share my fevered addiction with :D
marcus
one
> : which has indepth or workable rules, or one which has any semblance of a
> : roleplaying element, Inquisitor definitely is *not* your game. It
doesn't even
> : have the depth for roleplaying that Necromunda or Mordheim does, and it
has no
> : campaign system. Think of a roleplaying game where the heroes get
involved in
> : gunfights every so often. Remove the roleplaying element altogether and
give
> : the gunfights poor rules. You now have Inquisitor.
>
> Can't argue here. Inquisitor is as much a roleplaying game as checkers
> is...
>
> Avatar
I was initially exposed to Warhammer through the WFRP, which I purchased
ages and ages ago (maybe right when it came out?). I thought it was a
spectacularly cool and atmospheric rpg, but I never realized the connection
to the tabletop game (didn't really do hobby or roleplaying stuff much,
never saw it at any stores). It was really the atmosphere of the games that
attracted me to them, and after I played them and realized there was a solid
game behind the fluff, I was sold.
I'm sorta curious how the WH online game will pan out. From what I've seen,
the people who play Warhammer aren't really into computer games much (this
could just be my area, but at both hobby shops I've spent time at, no one
there is really into pc or console gaming, much less online gaming). It'll
still be populated with large groups of the idiots that fill every other
online rpg though, regardless of who plays it :/ It will be sort of morbidly
funny to watch Warhammer diehards have it out with Everquest veterans.
P Bowles
>It's evil. Plus you have the mental justification of 'oh, well, once I buy
>the army, I don't have to buy anything else'. Hah! I added it up the other
>day, I've already spent somewhere in the neighborhood of $500 on books
>*alone*, and I only have 1k of Eldar purchased. I want to get an army for
>Fantasy, probably Warmaster and Mordheim, and possibly Gothic. And then
>there's the whole multiple armies thing...
You'll have to pick cheap armies, then... I know the feeling, having made a
recent push to 'complete' my Fantasy armies (or at least the Elven ones - the
Lizards I'll likely leave until the book appears), and now have to face the
prospect of finishing my Gothic Eldar and 40k Dark Eldar.
Philip Bowles
P Bowles
>I was initially exposed to Warhammer through the WFRP, which I purchased
>ages and ages ago (maybe right when it came out?)
1986 originally. I got my copy no more than a year later, and it was my first
introduction to the game as well - then a copy of Slaves to Darkness kindled my
interest in 40k (though my first army, and my main current one, was Eldar
rather than Chaos) and the arrival of WFB 4th Ed. to that system (with Space
Marine 2nd Edition inbetween...) Since then I've come to regard the storyline,
game quality and for that matter the miniatures for the Fantasy system as
superior to 40k's, a feeling only emphasised with the increasingly poor 40k
fluff (Necrons, anyone?) and model ranges (compare the recent Chaos ranges for
the two game systems - there really is no contest) despite the improvements to
the game itself. That's why I have three Fantasy armies ranging from 1500 to
4000pts and only one complete 40k army, stuck at 1500pts or thereabouts.
. I thought it was a
>spectacularly cool and atmospheric rpg,
It is. And it's still a good source of background material - there have been a
few changes to the WFB background in the last fifteen years (the Empire's
setting has migrated a century or two into WFRP's future technologically,
wizards are no longer outlawed and Colleges of Magic teaching different spells
have been established. Some of the darkness of the WFRP fluff is less
heavily-emphasised). Mordheim's setting, 500 years before the 'present', is a
brave attempt to reinvent the world as dark fantasy where wizards are once
again illegal, puritanical witch hunters roam the streets, the Empire is torn
by political intrigue and desperate traders sell corpses to Necromancers to
make a living, and what there is of its fluff is well-presented (the Town Cryer
format is perfect for this imagery as well). Unfortunately it doesn't have a
great deal of fluff (a great shame as the period represented by Mordheim, known
in old background including, IIRC, WFRP as The Time of the Three Emperors, has
a lot of potential), although I'm hoping this will change with Town Cryer's
forthcoming Empire in Flames campaign setting.
>I'm sorta curious how the WH online game will pan out.
I'm not hopeful. GW has a history of being very conservative when it comes to
computer games - this is the company that tried to market a short-lived MUD as
an interactive system which could host large numbers of players at a time. The
games aren't necessarily bad - there were three computer games that went down
fairly well (two campaigns set in the Warhammer World using WFB rules of the
time, and an adaptation of the board game Space Hulk, which was surprisingly
innovative for GW using 3D first-person shooter mechanics two or three years
before Doom came on the scene). However, they are rather elementary and
primitive in their approach.
Philip Bowles
P Bowles
(Avatar) writes:
>P Bowles (pbo...@aol.com) wrote:
>: Unfortunately its rules look very dated and are not being changed even
>slightly
>: - presumably after all this time Necromunda is no longer popular enough to
>: justify the costs of a revamp.
>
>It works just fine as it is...For a change its *nice* to see that the
>rules aren't being changed on the re-release so that the game will still
>be the same game. For a change its nice that GW isn't making us feel the
>need to buy a new copy.
Well, this is the third rerelease in a decade - it would be nice if the
problems with the original were addressed at some point, especially given the
balance flaws with some Outlanders bands and the advent of systems which are in
some ways more sophisticated, like Mordheim. Not radical changes, just
refinements where necessary. Adding a little variety to the bands and changing
the close combat system for starters. For instance, taking the Mordheim
mercenary rout we could have:
Orlocks: Orlocks are the wealthiest of the Necromunda Hives and as such add 100
credits to their initial allowance for their gang (basically the Marienburg
rule).
Goliaths: Goliath Leaders, Gangers and Heavies add +1 to their S characteristic
when recruited (based on Middenheim rules).
Cawdor: The leader of a Cawdor warband is a demagogue revered by his followers.
A Cawdor leader adds +1 to his Ld when recruited; note that this does not apply
to models promoted to Leader after his death. Cawdor models within 12" of the
leader (including one promoted to Leader) may use his Ld for Leadership tests
of any kind.
Delaque: Delaque are masters of stealth; any enemy model halves his Initiative
for the purposes of determining how far he can spot a Hidden Delaque model.
van Saar: The van Saar are superbly-equipped and supplied through their trading
contracts with nobles in the higher levels of the Hive. This access to weapons,
and crucially to copious amounts of ammunition, gives them ample opportunities
to train and so van Saar Gangers add +1 to their BS characteristic when
recruited. Juves are not yet skilled enough to have received this level of
training while the comparative scarcity of specialist weapons and their
ammunition makes training Heavies in the use of these weapons more difficult,
so neither receives this bonus. The Gang Leader is assumed to already be a
recipient of the high standards of van Saar training with his natural BS4.
(Since there are already skills that give bonuses to ammo rolls, +1BS seemed
more appropriate than +1 to these rolls).
Escher: Escher models add +1 to their Initiative characteristic when recruited,
representing their agility and sure-footedness as well as their quick reflexes
in close combat.
>: And need to keep buying new versions of the base models to chop up and add
>: their latest equipment to...
>
>Scare up enough plastics and such and you can just replace the models with
>something that has the right gear.
I have yet to see van Saar or Escher plastics.
Philip Bowles
Rob Singers
> This group does have an annoying tendency to have more flames than useful
> posts at times...one of the reasons slip away for a while from time to
> time...
If you create filters you can effectively ignore this. I colour by subject line
(tags) and I have a piss yellow filter which has particular people in it. If a
thread goes yellow then it gets ignored.
St. Jason
>posts at times...one of the reasons slip away for a while from time to
>time...
But with "He Who Shall Not Be Named" leaving, things should pick up.
Oh. And I'm leaving too. Honest. In 24 years or so.
Years? Did I say years?? Heh. I meant hours. Yeah. Really. 24 hours. *whistles
innocently while sweat pours down*
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John Hwang
>New to the group, been idling for about a month or so,
Excellent! Glad to see you're smart enough to lurk before posting.
>watching the ebb and flow (and flames, and flames and
>flames) of the group, and generally getting a feel for it.
Interesting that we didn't scare you away. :)
>I only recently got into Warhammer, but man, does it have me now.
>In the course of a few months (from thinking about it, to visiting a local
>hobby store, to playing a few test games), I've gone from playing 40k, to
>buying 1k of Eldar, to playing Fantasy, buying a bunch of back issues of
>White Dwarf, reading a ton of stuff online, reading about all of their
>other games, and now considering getting into Warmaster, Mordheim,
>and just maybe, Gothic as well. Aiee!
Take your time. You will *always* be able to get whatever stuff you want, so
no need to blow scads of money on GW stuff. That said, I'd recommend you stick
with tangible stuff: miniatures, then rules, things like White Dwarf last of
all.
>And some time ago I said I hated miniatures and had no interesting in
>assembling or painting them, just playing the games... Which to be
>fair, is still sorta true, but I've been at least partially converted by the
>somewhat meditative quiet of putting together minis. I still dread the
>painting though ;)
Painting is even more meditative.
>But I definately respect the work out there, and I really like
>seeing fully painted armies on nicely laid out tables between good
>opponents.
*Everybody* does. :)
>Warhammer (in all its varied forms) is really appealing to me for a
>lot of reasons, not the least of which being the fact that I genuinely
>have fun (a lot of it!) win or lose.
Good!
>Given that I come from a background (and a job) dealing with
>computer and video games, I'll say that definately isn't the case
>for the bulk of online gaming. Playing with another human across
>the table is a nice change. Even arguing about rules is somewhere
>between amusing and entertaining (assuming you've chosen your
>opponent well...)
Yup. Glad wargaming is working out for you!
>I've discovered a new passion and a new hobby. Fun stuff :) So,
>delurking a bit, and saying hello to the regulars.
Welcome aboard!
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--- John Hwang "JohnHw...@cs.com.no.com"
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John Hwang
>"Patrick Magee" <Patric...@tesco.net> writes:
>>you should try and grab a hold of Necromunda,
>Unfortunately its rules look very dated and are not being changed
>even slightly - presumably after all this time Necromunda is no
>longer popular enough to justify the costs of a revamp.
True, but the Spyres are still grossly overcosted. :P
>> Its nice and cheap due to you not needing many models
>> and you get attached to your gang as they recieve more skills
>> and upgrades etc.
>
>And need to keep buying new versions of the base models to chop
>up and add their latest equipment to...
As with Mord, this is nonsense. Play wYSIwYG, where *who* you see is *who* you
get. The bitz thing is just another scheme to get you to buy more stuff.
Otherwise, find a way to do convertible weapons and call it a day.
John Hwang
>For instance, taking the Mordheim
>mercenary rout we could have:
[SNIP]
Great. And what about my Spyres???
marcus
> >flames) of the group, and generally getting a feel for it.
>
> Interesting that we didn't scare you away. :)
Meh, I'm a veteran of comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.space-sim, home of the 10 year
flame war - and *that* flame war is senseless. The bulk of the flaming here
seems to be in a vain attempt at damming up the flood of idiocy that fills
the internet more and more every day.
> Take your time. You will *always* be able to get whatever stuff you want,
so
> no need to blow scads of money on GW stuff. That said, I'd recommend you
stick
> with tangible stuff: miniatures, then rules, things like White Dwarf last
of
> all.
The fact that GW has been around for so long blows my mind. I wonder if
they're becoming more popular these days, due to the entry level and highly
marketed Lotr game (which I have no interest in, due to the limited armies
and ties to the movie, much as I love lotr), and the larger availability.
Just about every hobby shop I've visited for awhile has tables up and walls
of GW stuff. Or maybe I just never noticed them before :) Wargamers can be a
taciturn lot if they don't think you're one of the pack... Hurts the hobby a
bit. People seem to fall into roleplaying games, if they are of that bent,
but wargaming is something else... I can't even imagine what the dedicated
historical only wargamers are like.
Yeah, most of what I've been buying has been more or less 'core' stuff, with
a few exceptions (eg, I picked up the Chaos, Dark Elf, and High Elf army
books, though I probably won't play them, purely for story). The bulk of it
has been rulebooks for 40k/fantasy/warmaster, army books, annuals, etc. I
got a giant stack of White Dwarf for $1 a piece, just to read up a bit, get
a feel for what I missed over the last 2-5 years. Thus far, I've only
purchased my afore-mentioned Eldar, about 1k worth. I may push that to 1500,
I may not. I sort of like the 1k games - they go quick, and I can play a 2v2
in about the same time a 1500 game takes, though I'm sure that will speed up
with time.
I need physical restraint to stop myself from buying a 2k Dwarf army for
fantasy. The main thing stopping me is time - I have 90% of my Eldar
assembled and primed, but I haven't been able to touch that last 10% in a
month, so adding another full army (and much larger at that) would be
insanity. I'll get the last of my Eldar put together, prime it, then paint
the whole lot to some miserable standard. THEN I'll pick up the Dwarf army
:) Warmaster will wait as well. I'd like to use it as part of a campaign
(same for Gothic in 40k), which will require some organization at the local
store. As for Mordheim, it is appealing precisely because of the small
number of minis required.
> Welcome aboard!
>
> --
> --- John Hwang
Thanks, appreciate it :)
Samuel Campbell
"John Hwang" <johnhw...@cs.com.no.com> wrote in message
news:20021012001053...@mb-fi.news.cs.com...
> pbo...@aol.com (P Bowles) wrote:
>
> >For instance, taking the Mordheim
> >mercenary rout we could have:
>
> [SNIP]
>
> Great. And what about my Spyres???
>
hand fUXX0ring.
I'm running a demo game tommorrow with them against Van Saar.
The Blue Raja
news:20021011164538...@mb-ci.aol.com...
> >Scare up enough plastics and such and you can just replace the models
with
> >something that has the right gear.
>
> I have yet to see van Saar or Escher plastics.
Hopefully we'll have them when the Cadian plastics get released, with the
addition of Green Stuff goatees, of course.
--
The Blue Raja
"I used a "Q" to represent your tongue hanging out of your mouth like the
drooling fanboy that you are..." - Blackheart
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P Bowles
johnhw...@cs.com.no.com (John Hwang) writes:
>pbo...@aol.com (P Bowles) wrote:
>
>>For instance, taking the Mordheim
>>mercenary rout we could have:
>
>[SNIP]
>
>Great. And what about my Spyres???
They've already got distinctive rules. It's not my fault they're no good...
Though I probably won't be investing in Necro gangs this time around - I've
always liked the idea of the Redemptionists, but those models were *SOOOOOO*
bad.
Philip Bowles
P Bowles
>The fact that GW has been around for so long blows my mind. I wonder if
>they're becoming more popular these days, due to the entry level and highly
>marketed Lotr game (which I have no interest in, due to the limited armies
>and ties to the movie, much as I love lotr),
Despite the marketing, LotR flopped - hardline LotR fans feel the same way you
do, hardline GW fans probably don't like the fact it isn't Warhammer, everyone
else found out that it's a piece of rubbish. This year they aren't even holding
back their winter WFB release in order to give LotR a better chance, the way
they did at the end of last year, which means that either LotR caught on so
well that there is no chance of a loss of interest (which is not only highly
unlikely, but not marketing anything for all its worth, let alone this licence,
would be suspiciously unlike GW), or they're expecting a flop and so need a
Christmas release they can rely on to sell (in this case Tomb Kings). The bid
for the LotR game licence itself was a rather desperate attempt to pull profits
up following some bad years (that the company blamed on Pokemon).
and the larger availability.
>Just about every hobby shop I've visited for awhile has tables up and walls
>of GW stuff. Or maybe I just never noticed them before :)
GW had started selling LotR through the UK's largest newsagent, but they seem
to have stopped stocking it a few months ago, no doubt when it became clear
there was no interest.
>Yeah, most of what I've been buying has been more or less 'core' stuff, with
>a few exceptions (eg, I picked up the Chaos, Dark Elf, and High Elf army
>books, though I probably won't play them, purely for story). The bulk of it
>has been rulebooks for 40k/fantasy/warmaster, army books, annuals, etc. I
>got a giant stack of White Dwarf for $1 a piece,
That's about what they're worth. Pity they cost so much more.
>I need physical restraint to stop myself from buying a 2k Dwarf army for
>fantasy. The main thing stopping me is time - I have 90% of my Eldar
>assembled and primed, but I haven't been able to touch that last 10% in a
>month, so adding another full army (and much larger at that) would be
>insanity.
That's never stopped most of us.
Philip Bowles
P Bowles
<the_blue_ra...@iprimus.com.au> writes:
>"P Bowles" <pbo...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20021011164538...@mb-ci.aol.com...
>> >Scare up enough plastics and such and you can just replace the models
>with
>> >something that has the right gear.
>>
>> I have yet to see van Saar or Escher plastics.
>
>Hopefully we'll have them when the Cadian plastics get released, with the
>addition of Green Stuff goatees, of course.
Escher with goatees just look odd.
Philip Bowles
Samuel Campbell
The Blue Raja
news:uqe8rjt...@corp.supernews.com...
<snip>
> But then, I have a choice between stupid spammers and
> moron posters in other groups, or lots of flaming and arguments here,
mixed
> in with some good posts :)
Another advantage of RGMW's culture is that through all the flaming, there's
usually quite a few simply hilarious posts. In comparison, I can't recall a
one-post-wonder ever saying anything remotely witty or humerous (on
purpose).
The Blue Raja
> >> I have yet to see van Saar or Escher plastics.
> >
> >Hopefully we'll have them when the Cadian plastics get released, with the
> >addition of Green Stuff goatees, of course.
>
> Escher with goatees just look odd.
I thought I put a bit in there specifically Van Saar. Damn internet
fairies.
Andy
<<>>
> I only recently got into Warhammer, but man, does it have me now. In the
> course of a few months (from thinking about it, to visiting a local hobby
> store, to playing a few test games), I've gone from playing 40k, to buying
> 1k of Eldar, to playing Fantasy, buying a bunch of back issues of White
> Dwarf, reading a ton of stuff online, reading about all of their other
> games, and now considering getting into Warmaster, Mordheim, and just maybe,
> Gothic as well. Aiee!
Find and join a wargames club.
Outside the gw niche of the wargaming hobby, it is usual for people to
put on games and provide figures terrain etc for others.
John Hwang
>> >watching the ebb and flow (and flames, and flames and
>> >flames) of the group, and generally getting a feel for it.
>>
>> Interesting that we didn't scare you away. :)
>
>Meh, I'm a veteran of comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.space-sim,
>home of the 10 year flame war - and *that* flame war is
>senseless. The bulk of the flaming here seems to be in a vain
>attempt at damming up the flood of idiocy that fills
>the internet more and more every day.
Got it. Now, of course, I'm wracking my brain trying to figure out what the
flame war could be over. Elite vs. Wing Commander?
>> Take your time. You will *always* be able to get
>> whatever stuff you want, so no need to blow scads of
>>money on GW stuff. That said, I'd recommend you stick
>> with tangible stuff: miniatures, then rules, things like
>> White Dwarf last of all.
>
>The fact that GW has been around for so long blows my mind.
Not significantly moreso than Steve Jackson Games. :)
>I wonder if they're becoming more popular these days, due to the
>entry level and highly marketed Lotr game (which I have no interest
>in, due to the limited armies and ties to the movie, much as I love
>lotr), and the larger availability.
No idea on the LotR effect. It might be doing well casually, but it's not
popular with the wargamers.
>Just about every hobby shop I've visited for awhile has tables up
>and walls of GW stuff. Or maybe I just never noticed them before :)
>Wargamers can be a taciturn lot if they don't think you're one of the
>pack... Hurts the hobby a bit.
Prolly. The thing is that GW has a solid customer base, and isn't likely to up
and die all of a sudden. So that's why shops carry GW.
>People seem to fall into roleplaying games, if they are of that bent,
>but wargaming is something else... I can't even imagine what the
>dedicated historical only wargamers are like.
There's always RGMH. :)
>Yeah, most of what I've been buying has been more or less 'core'
>stuff, with a few exceptions (eg, I picked up the Chaos, Dark Elf, and
>High Elf army books, though I probably won't play them, purely for
>story).
OK. That's cool.
>The bulk of it has been rulebooks for 40k/fantasy/warmaster, army
>books, annuals, etc. I got a giant stack of White Dwarf for $1 a piece,
I still think you overpaid, but at $1, not by too much. :)
>just to read up a bit, get a feel for what I missed over the last 2-5
>years. Thus far, I've only purchased my afore-mentioned Eldar,
>about 1k worth. I may push that to 1500, I may not. I sort of like the
>1k games - they go quick, and I can play a 2v2 in about the same time
>a 1500 game takes, though I'm sure that will speed up with time.
Yup. Experience will let you play faster. Until GW throws the next rules
wrinkle out with their "official" FAQs and official "clarifications".
>I need physical restraint to stop myself from buying a 2k Dwarf
>army for fantasy.
The best restraint is having the discipline for nothing new until you've
finished what you've already got. Most minis gamers and modelers lack this
restraint. It's no big deal.
>The main thing stopping me is time - I have 90% of
>my Eldar assembled and primed, but I haven't been able to touch
>that last 10% in a month,
Just do it! Seriously, knock them out in a weekend and you'll feel much
better.
>so adding another full army (and much larger at that) would be
>insanity. I'll get the last of my Eldar put together, prime it, then paint
>the whole lot to some miserable standard. THEN I'll pick up the
>Dwarf army :)
Yup, best approach. Also, your tastes may change, which is always good.
>Warmaster will wait as well. I'd like to use it as part of a campaign
>(same for Gothic in 40k), which will require some organization at the
>local store. As for Mordheim, it is appealing precisely because of the
>small number of minis required.
Well, WM isn't that cheap compared to Mord. Mord armies of humans or Skavens
can be done with a single boxed set of plastics. WM is still all-metal, so
you'll pay more.
>> Welcome aboard!
>>
>> --- John Hwang
>
>Thanks, appreciate it :)
:)
John Hwang
>"John Hwang" <johnhw...@cs.com.no.com> wrote ...
>> pbo...@aol.com (P Bowles) wrote:
>> [SNIP]
>>
>> Great. And what about my Spyres???
>
>Spyrers were Awesomen, I had 5, one of each and 2 Orrus, for that hand to
>hand fUXX0ring.
I have 4: 2 Jakaras, a Malcadon, and a Yeld. I'd like to get the remaining
Malcadon and Yeld poses I'm missing. Tho I'm not much of a fan of the Orrus
(too obvious), so those might wait a bit.
>I'm running a demo game tommorrow with them against Van Saar.
Cool. Van Saar are nice models, 2nd best after Escher. :)
marcus
> >home of the 10 year flame war - and *that* flame war is
> >senseless. The bulk of the flaming here seems to be in a vain
> >attempt at damming up the flood of idiocy that fills
> >the internet more and more every day.
>
> Got it. Now, of course, I'm wracking my brain trying to figure out what
the
> flame war could be over. Elite vs. Wing Commander?
It defies description. There's a gentleman named Derek Smart, who has an
entire legion of Detractors (I use the capital, because they are a truly
organized and dedicated organiziation), matched up against Mr. Smart, who
himself is something of a total nutcase. He made what he considers to be the
most advanced, most impressive, most all-encompassing space simulator of all
time, and anyone who disagrees (or, often, agrees) gets a huge toasting from
him. There's a lot more to it than that, but its all stupid. The end result
though is that the entire group is worthless. Maybe that's why there aren't
any good space sims released any more :D It also occasionally spills over
into the other computer game groups, which is maddening, but I finally
killfiled it a few years ago.
> >The fact that GW has been around for so long blows my mind.
>
> Not significantly moreso than Steve Jackson Games. :)
Hrm. I can't remember the last time I bought something from his company.
Unless Munchkin was. And I felt his influence strongly in Fallout, which is
one of my favorite computer rpgs ever...
> >I wonder if they're becoming more popular these days, due to the
> >entry level and highly marketed Lotr game (which I have no interest
> >in, due to the limited armies and ties to the movie, much as I love
> >lotr), and the larger availability.
>
> No idea on the LotR effect. It might be doing well casually, but it's not
> popular with the wargamers.
I see it stocked EVERYWHERE. That doesn't mean a whole lot I admit. I'm not
sure who would really enjoy it. Particularly given that it thrusts you into
the whole miniatures hobby thing, rather than the game, which might be a
mistake on the part of GW. *shrug*, not my game, not interested ;)
> >People seem to fall into roleplaying games, if they are of that bent,
> >but wargaming is something else... I can't even imagine what the
> >dedicated historical only wargamers are like.
>
> There's always RGMH. :)
Ugh, there's a war-historical group for computer games also, the few
veterans from there that come over to the strategic group are all fairly
scary. Don't think I'll touch the miniatures version :)
> >just to read up a bit, get a feel for what I missed over the last 2-5
> >years. Thus far, I've only purchased my afore-mentioned Eldar,
> >about 1k worth. I may push that to 1500, I may not. I sort of like the
> >1k games - they go quick, and I can play a 2v2 in about the same time
> >a 1500 game takes, though I'm sure that will speed up with time.
>
> Yup. Experience will let you play faster. Until GW throws the next rules
> wrinkle out with their "official" FAQs and official "clarifications".
I like the new assault rules quite a bit. We resolved 2k of Orks against 2k
of Blood Angels in a giant swirling melee in no time at all. (that game
sucked, my ally was Blood Angels, so he rushed in, and I was borrowing
someones Tau, so I annihilated all of the Orkish vehicles, then I couldn't
do anything else, because their entire armies were sitting in melee ;))
> >The main thing stopping me is time - I have 90% of
> >my Eldar assembled and primed, but I haven't been able to touch
> >that last 10% in a month,
>
> Just do it! Seriously, knock them out in a weekend and you'll feel much
> better.
Oh I want to, it's not lack of desire, but extreme lack of time. When I say
time, I should be more specific - my job is sporadic, contract work, but
when it hits, I have to work 7 days a week, as long as it takes to get it
done. I've been working nonstop for quite some time, so I don't even have a
nice block of free time to work on it. Soon as I get in the clear though,
it's one of the first things I'll do :)
> >so adding another full army (and much larger at that) would be
> >insanity. I'll get the last of my Eldar put together, prime it, then
paint
> >the whole lot to some miserable standard. THEN I'll pick up the
> >Dwarf army :)
>
> Yup, best approach. Also, your tastes may change, which is always good.
I like a lot of the armies really. I find Orks amusing, Tau, well, Tau have
railguns :P Tyranids are just cool, because facing them I feel something
like fear (its the 100 or so models pouring across the table at you).
Necrons... well, uh. Hey look, a giant pyramid! Space Marines I detest in
the game. I like the fluff a lot, but in the game, I see tons of people
playing them, getting by on a 3+ save and a total lack of tactical or
strategic thought.
When I was picking an army, I was trying to decide between Eldar and Tau. I
wound up picking Eldar because I wanted an army that was more 'customizable'
than the Tau. More fool me, I'm discovering the Eldar are (generally) an
assault army, which isn't exactly what I wanted. That plus there's a fair
amount of hatred directed at them (I can't blame em, the Wraithlord is kinda
bad :P), so some opponents are a mite grouchy around them.
I may still pick up Tau at some point, I'm trying to figure out how to deal
with their cruddy lack of assault (Kroot notwithstanding, bleh). Sure, they
can win a firefight if you're halfway intelligent, but certain mission types
against certain opponents... that doesn't matter, you *must* shift a target
in an assault. Dunno, I'll think about it :)
> >Warmaster will wait as well. I'd like to use it as part of a campaign
> >(same for Gothic in 40k), which will require some organization at the
> >local store. As for Mordheim, it is appealing precisely because of the
> >small number of minis required.
>
> Well, WM isn't that cheap compared to Mord. Mord armies of humans or
Skavens
> can be done with a single boxed set of plastics. WM is still all-metal,
so
> you'll pay more.
I guess I'm comparing WM to Fantasy or 40k, where stuff is really expensive.
That plus it's also getting compared to my existing gaming hobby, where even
full armies don't come close in price to what I spend regularly on games.
Gothic on the other hand, those prices suck for what you're getting, imneho.
John Hwang
>> >Meh, I'm a veteran of comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.space-sim,
>> >home of the 10 year flame war - and *that* flame war is
>> >senseless. The bulk of the flaming here seems to be in a vain
>> >attempt at damming up the flood of idiocy that fills
>> >the internet more and more every day.
>>
>> Got it. Now, of course, I'm wracking my brain trying to figure out
>> what the flame war could be over. Elite vs. Wing Commander?
>
>It defies description. There's a gentleman named Derek Smart,
Oh. Battlecrap 2k. Got it.
>who has an entire legion of Detractors (I use the capital, because
>they are a truly organized and dedicated organiziation), matched up
>against Mr. Smart, who himself is something of a total nutcase.
Yes.
>He made what he considers to be the most advanced, most impressive,
>most all-encompassing space simulator of all time,
He's wrong. It's crap. So says anybody who's ever touched it.
>and anyone who disagrees (or, often, agrees) gets a huge toasting
>from him.
Ha!
Yeah, he's got a thin skin. You want to grab him by the nuts and scream: "Hey
Idiot! You released something into the public, and they're going to comment.
If you can't handle the criticism, you don't belong in the business."
>There's a lot more to it than that, but its all stupid. The end result
>though is that the entire group is worthless. Maybe that's why there
>aren't any good space sims released any more :D It also occasionally
>spills over into the other computer game groups, which is maddening,
>but I finally killfiled it a few years ago.
OK.
>> >The fact that GW has been around for so long blows my mind.
>>
>> Not significantly moreso than Steve Jackson Games. :)
>
>Hrm. I can't remember the last time I bought something from his
>company. Unless Munchkin was.
Munchkin is SJG. :)
If you're into wargaming, consider OGRE minis.
>And I felt his influence strongly in Fallout, which is
>one of my favorite computer rpgs ever...
There are a *lot* of fans of this title.
>> >I wonder if they're becoming more popular these days, due to the
>> >entry level and highly marketed Lotr game (which I have no interest
>> >in, due to the limited armies and ties to the movie, much as I love
>> >lotr), and the larger availability.
>>
>> No idea on the LotR effect. It might be doing well casually, but it's not
>> popular with the wargamers.
>
>I see it stocked EVERYWHERE. That doesn't mean a whole lot I
>admit. I'm not sure who would really enjoy it. Particularly given that it
>thrusts you into the whole miniatures hobby thing, rather than the game,
>which might be a mistake on the part of GW. *shrug*, not my game, not
>interested ;)
Yup.
>> >People seem to fall into roleplaying games, if they are of that bent,
>> >but wargaming is something else... I can't even imagine what the
>> >dedicated historical only wargamers are like.
>>
>> There's always RGMH. :)
>
>Ugh, there's a war-historical group for computer games also, the few
>veterans from there that come over to the strategic group are all fairly
>scary.
No moreso than the historical board gamers. :)
>Don't think I'll touch the miniatures version :)
OK, that's fair.
>> >just to read up a bit, get a feel for what I missed over the last 2-5
>> >years. Thus far, I've only purchased my afore-mentioned Eldar,
>> >about 1k worth. I may push that to 1500, I may not. I sort of like the
>> >1k games - they go quick, and I can play a 2v2 in about the same time
>> >a 1500 game takes, though I'm sure that will speed up with time.
>>
>> Yup. Experience will let you play faster. Until GW throws the next
>> rules wrinkle out with their "official" FAQs and official "clarifications".
>
>I like the new assault rules quite a bit. We resolved 2k of Orks against 2k
>of Blood Angels in a giant swirling melee in no time at all. (that game
>sucked, my ally was Blood Angels, so he rushed in, and I was borrowing
>someones Tau, so I annihilated all of the Orkish vehicles, then I couldn't
>do anything else, because their entire armies were sitting in melee ;))
Yup. Under 40k4 rules, once HtH starts, gunners have pretty much nothing to
do. Seems kind of odd.
>> >The main thing stopping me is time - I have 90% of
>> >my Eldar assembled and primed, but I haven't been able to touch
>> >that last 10% in a month,
>>
>> Just do it! Seriously, knock them out in a weekend and you'll feel much
>> better.
>
>Oh I want to, it's not lack of desire, but extreme lack of time. When I say
>time, I should be more specific - my job is sporadic, contract work, but
>when it hits, I have to work 7 days a week, as long as it takes to get it
>done. I've been working nonstop for quite some time, so I don't even
>have a nice block of free time to work on it. Soon as I get in the clear
>though, it's one of the first things I'll do :)
Understand. Still, when you get a chance, if you can knock thru them, it'll be
pretty satisfying.
>> >so adding another full army (and much larger at that) would be
>> >insanity. I'll get the last of my Eldar put together, prime it, then
>> >paint the whole lot to some miserable standard. THEN I'll pick
>> >up the Dwarf army :)
>>
>> Yup, best approach. Also, your tastes may change, which is
>> always good.
>
>I like a lot of the armies really. I find Orks amusing, Tau, well, Tau have
>railguns :P Tyranids are just cool, because facing them I feel something
>like fear (its the 100 or so models pouring across the table at you).
>Necrons... well, uh. Hey look, a giant pyramid! Space Marines I detest in
>the game. I like the fluff a lot, but in the game, I see tons of people
>playing them, getting by on a 3+ save and a total lack of tactical or
>strategic thought.
Hehe. I'm sure the SM players will have something to say here.
>When I was picking an army, I was trying to decide between Eldar
>and Tau. I wound up picking Eldar because I wanted an army that
>was more 'customizable' than the Tau. More fool me, I'm discovering
>the Eldar are (generally) an assault army, which isn't exactly what I
>wanted.
Not exactly. Eldar are tailorable to be whatever you want them to be. I'd
consider them essentially neutral or having a slight shooty bias.
>That plus there's a fair amount of hatred directed at them (I can't blame
>em, the Wraithlord is kinda bad :P), so some opponents are a mite
>grouchy around them.
Eh. Don't care.
>I may still pick up Tau at some point, I'm trying to figure out how to deal
>with their cruddy lack of assault (Kroot notwithstanding, bleh). Sure, they
>can win a firefight if you're halfway intelligent, but certain mission types
>against certain opponents... that doesn't matter, you *must* shift a target
>in an assault. Dunno, I'll think about it :)
*Precisely* the Tau problem.
>> >Warmaster will wait as well. I'd like to use it as part of a campaign
>> >(same for Gothic in 40k), which will require some organization at the
>> >local store. As for Mordheim, it is appealing precisely because of the
>> >small number of minis required.
>>
>> Well, WM isn't that cheap compared to Mord. Mord armies of
>> humans or Skavens can be done with a single boxed set of plastics.
>>WM is still all-metal, so you'll pay more.
>
>I guess I'm comparing WM to Fantasy or 40k, where stuff is really
>expensive.
OK, true.
>That plus it's also getting compared to my existing gaming hobby, where
>even full armies don't come close in price to what I spend regularly on
>games. Gothic on the other hand, those prices suck for what you're
>getting, imneho.
Gothic is very reasonable if you play Imperial or Chaos and all Cruisers.
marcus
2k
> >of Blood Angels in a giant swirling melee in no time at all. (that game
> >sucked, my ally was Blood Angels, so he rushed in, and I was borrowing
> >someones Tau, so I annihilated all of the Orkish vehicles, then I
couldn't
> >do anything else, because their entire armies were sitting in melee ;))
>
> Yup. Under 40k4 rules, once HtH starts, gunners have pretty much nothing
to
> do. Seems kind of odd.
I suppose we could house rule some stuff. The firing an unengaged models
rule is a step in the right direction, but thanks to the unimpeded 6" pile
in move at the end of a round of combat, this rarely happens outside GIANT
mobs attacking smaller groups of targets. It's only really aggravating when
they put a soft target into close combat with something weak and you can't
fire at it at all. Smart tactics or bad game design, who knows.
> >I like a lot of the armies really. I find Orks amusing, Tau, well, Tau
have
> >railguns :P Tyranids are just cool, because facing them I feel something
> >like fear (its the 100 or so models pouring across the table at you).
> >Necrons... well, uh. Hey look, a giant pyramid! Space Marines I detest in
> >the game. I like the fluff a lot, but in the game, I see tons of people
> >playing them, getting by on a 3+ save and a total lack of tactical or
> >strategic thought.
>
> Hehe. I'm sure the SM players will have something to say here.
Well, I'm not saying all SM players are bad :) Just that I see a LOT more SM
players, and a LOT more of them are bad players. So I'm sorta biased. The
fluff really is cool though...
> >When I was picking an army, I was trying to decide between Eldar
> >and Tau. I wound up picking Eldar because I wanted an army that
> >was more 'customizable' than the Tau. More fool me, I'm discovering
> >the Eldar are (generally) an assault army, which isn't exactly what I
> >wanted.
>
> Not exactly. Eldar are tailorable to be whatever you want them to be.
I'd
> consider them essentially neutral or having a slight shooty bias.
I should have been more clear, I meant assault in the literal, rather than
the game term. ie, a close ranged army, be it shooting or physically
attacking. I suppose you could spin up a purely shooty army, but I suspect
it would have problems on certain types of missions. I tend to favor a
balanced approach that lets me handle whatever mission we roll up. If we're
doing a campaign, we'll probably do something different with army
structuring.
Craig Little, prodigal RGMWer
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> <snip>
> > But then, I have a choice between stupid spammers and
> > moron posters in other groups, or lots of flaming and arguments here,
> mixed
> > in with some good posts :)
>
> Another advantage of RGMW's culture is that through all the flaming,
there's
> usually quite a few simply hilarious posts. In comparison, I can't recall
a
> one-post-wonder ever saying anything remotely witty or humerous (on
> purpose).
>
'go boil your head' is a work of genius
The Blue Raja
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> > <snip>
> > In comparison, I can't recall
> > a one-post-wonder ever saying anything remotely
> > witty or humerous (on purpose).
> >
> What about whatsisname in the Cammander thread?
>
> 'go boil your head' is a work of genius
I agree, but I said on purpose.
John Hwang
>> >then I couldn't do anything
>> >else, because their entire armies were sitting in melee ;))
>>
>> Yup. Under 40k4 rules, once HtH starts, gunners have pretty much
>> nothing to do. Seems kind of odd.
>
>I suppose we could house rule some stuff. The firing an unengaged models
>rule is a step in the right direction, but thanks to the unimpeded 6" pile
>in move at the end of a round of combat, this rarely happens outside GIANT
>mobs attacking smaller groups of targets. It's only really aggravating when
>they put a soft target into close combat with something weak and you can't
>fire at it at all. Smart tactics or bad game design, who knows.
Yeah. Ahh, well. That's how it goes.
>> >Space Marines I detest in
>> >the game. I like the fluff a lot, but in the game, I see tons of people
>> >playing them, getting by on a 3+ save and a total lack of tactical or
>> >strategic thought.
>>
>> Hehe. I'm sure the SM players will have something to say here.
>
>Well, I'm not saying all SM players are bad :) Just that I see a LOT more SM
>players, and a LOT more of them are bad players. So I'm sorta biased. The
>fluff really is cool though...
S'OK. Being cheap, forgiving, and in the main box, SM are where most players
cut their teeth, so naturally, you get a lot of newer, or weaker players here.
>> >When I was picking an army, I was trying to decide between Eldar
>> >and Tau. I wound up picking Eldar because I wanted an army that
>> >was more 'customizable' than the Tau. More fool me, I'm discovering
>> >the Eldar are (generally) an assault army, which isn't exactly what I
>> >wanted.
>>
>> Not exactly. Eldar are tailorable to be whatever you want them to be.
>>I'd consider them essentially neutral or having a slight shooty bias.
>
>I should have been more clear, I meant assault in the literal, rather than
>the game term. ie, a close ranged army, be it shooting or physically
>attacking.
Ahh... OK. Yes, I'd agree here. Eldar are definitely a close-in force, and
if they can't get to grips, it's a real problem.
>I suppose you could spin up a purely shooty army, but I suspect
>it would have problems on certain types of missions.
Anything requiring mobility. :)
>I tend to favor a
>balanced approach that lets me handle whatever mission we roll up. If we're
>doing a campaign, we'll probably do something different with army
>structuring.
For a campaign, field something balanced. That's my advice.
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: Eh, I'm enough of a net veteran to just close the group and go read
: something else for a few days/weeks/months if it gets really stupid. There
: was actually a decent comment from one of the regulars on the rgmw.org page
: about WHY a lot of the regulars are so actively hostile to certain types of
: people. But it was written with a calm head at the time, so it made a lot of
: sense, most of the torching I saw here of various hapless newbies before I
: had read that (or been reading the group for awhile) seemed a bit excessive.
: I can't blame them but so much, as I've seen a few of the groups I read
: years and years ago become total garbage due to spammers and completely
: worthless posters. I do think the signal/noise ratio is a little bad here
: because of it though. But then, I have a choice between stupid spammers and
: moron posters in other groups, or lots of flaming and arguments here, mixed
: in with some good posts :)
That is why I wander away from time to time...been a couple months since
I've been around, but after 10+ years posting here I just can't bring
myself to leave and never come back...sometimes its almost as much of an
addiction as the games themselves...:)
: It's evil. Plus you have the mental justification of 'oh, well, once I buy
: the army, I don't have to buy anything else'. Hah! I added it up the other
: day, I've already spent somewhere in the neighborhood of $500 on books
: *alone*, and I only have 1k of Eldar purchased. I want to get an army for
: Fantasy, probably Warmaster and Mordheim, and possibly Gothic. And then
: there's the whole multiple armies thing...
For me, too, I have all this GW game stuff and more armies than I can
rationally play with, but at the same I also have a half dozen CCGs I have
tons of cards for along with historical mini games and 40+ RPGs in my
gaming collection...Way more than I will ever be able to take full
advantage of in one lifetime...Oi...I think its time to start weeding
things out...I could probably make a sizable amount of cash if I sell off
a bunch of stuff...Would save a lot of time on painting as well...;)
: I think I'll take you up on that advice. What would be a useful set of
: sizes? Including a 'tank brush', I've got a Falcon to paint ;) I did pick up
: the 40k boxed set really cheaply, sold the marines, and I'm keeping the DE
: for painting sacrifice. That should help a bit if I paint the 20 of them
: before I dive into my Eldar army and ruin it (well, I'll still ruin it, but
: it'll give me that much more practice for my next army ;)). I really do want
: to field a nicely painted Dwarfs army for Fantasy, but I'm not going to
: paint it until I'm happy with my painting skills. That could take a good
: long while, given that I have absolutely none just yet. No hurry :)
Painting skills can take time, though, I have met annoying people who's
first miniatures look like they were painted by the heavy metal team.
Those are the folks you just want to smack for being so good right off the
bat. GW does have painting guides available from time to time that can
give you some good ideas. More than anything a stead hand is what you
need and baring parkinson's disease or too much caffeine in your diet that
certainly comes with time. :)
Pick a variety of sizes, but do yourself a favor and don't buy anything
smaller than say a 00 brush. Once you start getting too small the brush
cannot hold enough paint to be useful. And anything you need a hyper
small brush for can still be painted effectively with a slightly larger
brush with a good tip on it. Actually you might want to buy a bunch of
"hobby" brushes for use in dry brushing duty, since that tends to beat the
crap out of your brushes. Usually every couple of years I buy new brushes
and then retire the current brushes to dry brushing duty, but it can get
expensive just buying a bunch of extra good brushes to use for lousy duty
like that.
: Meh. It's a game. You play a game with pieces. I know some folks are mighty
: huffy and self righteous about painted armies, but those are the types of
: people that I avoid at the hobby shop I frequent. I'm there to unwind and
: take my mind off stresses, not listen to someone whine about the aethstetics
: of a game.
Ahhh...another sane mind...OK, I'm happy now. Everyone has those kinds of
people they avoid at the local game store...:)
: I figure it just goes with the territory. I haven't met anyone who is a
: veteran of any game who isn't strongly opinionated. Put a bunch of them in
: one place with the anonymity of the internet and watch the sparks fly. As
: for the tabletop, I generally avoid opponents who are going to be rules
: lawyers, the opposite (don't know the rules, get upset if you try to teach
: them), or have some of the less desirable (but common) traits that tend to
: go along with geeky hobbies like this one. It limits my opponent base a bit,
: but I don't care about that all. I've had fun with ALL of the games I've
: played over the last several months.
Sometimes talking to some people, though, I often find myself wondering
why they even bother. If the game sucks so much and the prices are so
bloody high and everything is just so awful, why are they wasting their
time??
: Thanks :) Probably not, but its an invaluable resource nontheless. I need
: some similar minded people to share my fevered addiction with :D
:
If you can find your way through the chaff some useful things can be had
here...once you get past all the homosexual references, newbie abusing and
anit america/pro america arguing that is...;)
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:
: Well, this is the third rerelease in a decade - it would be nice if the
: problems with the original were addressed at some point, especially given the
: balance flaws with some Outlanders bands and the advent of systems which are in
: some ways more sophisticated, like Mordheim. Not radical changes, just
: refinements where necessary. Adding a little variety to the bands and changing
: the close combat system for starters.
OK, this I agree with, but historically GW has never been very good at
"addressing the problems from early editions". Instead they often do away
with the problems with radical changes that lead to newer and more
annoying problems. :)
: For instance, taking the Mordheim
: mercenary rout we could have:
:
<Snip of interesting gang changes>. I like these ideas as they make the
gangs a bit more unique in their approach. As it is beyond skill
availability there are no differences and depending on rolls made it could
end up that 3 gangs from totally different types can be pretty much
identical in ability and skills.
: I have yet to see van Saar or Escher plastics.
True, but we seldom worried about using the "right" gang figures, as all
that really matters is that your gang and its gear is identifiable as what
it is and that the opponent knows that you are playing a Cawdor or escher
gang. Also if you add in the other aspect of that comment that you had
snipped, getting extra weapons and making plasticard straps for them
solves that problem pretty easily anyway.
My usual gangs were made up of lots of old Confrontation gang miniatures
instead of the current necromunda minis, often playing Delaque gangs using
genestealer hybrid minis as gangers and leaders as well. Lots o' fun. It
would certainly be nice, though, to see more individuality of the gangs,
but not to the point that some gangs have special abilities that should
just be general rules applied to all...
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: 1986 originally. I got my copy no more than a year later, and it was my first
: introduction to the game as well - then a copy of Slaves to Darkness kindled my
: interest in 40k (though my first army, and my main current one, was Eldar
: rather than Chaos) and the arrival of WFB 4th Ed. to that system (with Space
: Marine 2nd Edition inbetween...) Since then I've come to regard the storyline,
: game quality and for that matter the miniatures for the Fantasy system as
: superior to 40k's, a feeling only emphasised with the increasingly poor 40k
: fluff (Necrons, anyone?) and model ranges (compare the recent Chaos ranges for
: the two game systems - there really is no contest) despite the improvements to
: the game itself. That's why I have three Fantasy armies ranging from 1500 to
: 4000pts and only one complete 40k army, stuck at 1500pts or thereabouts.
My first real intro to actually table top gaming in the GW worlds was
through a multitude of chaos warband leagues that I played in. Now *that*
was a game that required some serious modification to models
sometimes...Ouch! All played with the 3rd edition rules for WFB.
Also a bit of WFRP for me as well. That RPG is still one of my favorites
after all these years.
: I'm not hopeful. GW has a history of being very conservative when it comes to
: computer games - this is the company that tried to market a short-lived MUD as
: an interactive system which could host large numbers of players at a time. The
: games aren't necessarily bad - there were three computer games that went down
: fairly well (two campaigns set in the Warhammer World using WFB rules of the
: time, and an adaptation of the board game Space Hulk, which was surprisingly
: innovative for GW using 3D first-person shooter mechanics two or three years
: before Doom came on the scene). However, they are rather elementary and
: primitive in their approach.
Yeah. GW has not been all that exceptional in its computer dealings. For
me part of it is that the computer versions of their games are often
lacking in the things that make me interested in them in the first place
(social face to face activity, interesting background and fluff (at least
if you came into it back far enough as some of us have) and so on).
Doesn't mean that the new WH on-line game will be a failure, though, but
they do have their work cut out for them to come up with something that is
interesting and dynamic enough to keep people coming back for more again
and again.
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: If you create filters you can effectively ignore this. I colour by subject line
: (tags) and I have a piss yellow filter which has particular people in it. If a
: thread goes yellow then it gets ignored.
:
Its also usually pretty simple to just ignore any thread that has received
more than 5 -10 responses when I first notice it. Cant' do color changing
in Tin, and I usually am reading news through a telnet connection to a
Unix box so...I've had plenty of people kill filed, but at this point the
people who I still see regularly in those threads also at times have
useful things to say, so I don't just want to smoke them out completely...
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:
: Great. And what about my Spyres???
:
You mean the ones who can often have units that can take out anything on
the board at the initial get go and usually don't suffer any penalties
whatsoever in those missions where you have a decreased gang size?? After
all when a 2500 point Orlock gang with 20 members is dropped down to only
5 they have lost 75% of their numbers, meanwhile most spyre gangs would
still be at full strength in a similar situation.
The spyres are expensive because they are better and more capable than the
other gangs from the very beginning and are still competitive even after
the other gangs start to advance their abilities.
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:
: Though I probably won't be investing in Necro gangs this time around - I've
: always liked the idea of the Redemptionists, but those models were *SOOOOOO*
: bad.
I love my redemptionist minis. My redepmtion band is even led by an old
lead chaos sorcered who had a similar hood setup. The worst thing about
redemptionists, though, is the amount of flamers they include. The first
game I ever played with a redemption gang saw me play my first league game
towards the end of the league due to unexpected work issues. My starting
gang of 1000 points took on an established goliath gang who was one of the
league leaders and had a rating near 3000 points and out numbered me at
least 2-1. I wiped them out by the end of the 2nd turn. All because I had
so many of those single shot flamers that I was able to hit so many of
them at the same time. Those single shot flamers also remove the usual
issues that can be had from juves who can't shoot straight...Certainly a
nasty combination...Since then I haven't played them that often, because I
just feel unclean doing so regularly...;)
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P Bowles
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>OK, this I agree with, but historically GW has never been very good at
>"addressing the problems from early editions".
They finally managed to make progress on the WFB rules after five badly-flawed
editions, so maybe they're finally learning. :-) Though to be fair, both rules
revisions to 40k have addressed major problem areas - v2 codified and
rebalanced the various rules and lists floating around for the previous seven
years or so, v3 is to some extent an improvement in overall game balance,
addressed the flaws with a system which had -6 save modifiers for virtually
every weapon and the Snotlings that carried them (maybe a very slight
exaggeration...), replaced an unworkable close combat system and ironed out
flaws in the traditional problem areas of psychic powers and vehicles. Of
course, GW couldn't resist messing up the things that actually did work, but on
the whole I'd charitably say that GW games do improve with time, albeit slowly
(and with the exception of Warhammer 5th Edition).
Instead they often do away
>with the problems with radical changes that lead to newer and more
>annoying problems. :)
Nah, they just solve the existing problems and create completely new ones so
they have something to rewrite for the next edition.
>: For instance, taking the Mordheim
>: mercenary rout we could have:
>:
><Snip of interesting gang changes>. I like these ideas as they make the
>gangs a bit more unique in their approach. As it is beyond skill
>availability there are no differences and depending on rolls made it could
>end up that 3 gangs from totally different types can be pretty much
>identical in ability and skills.
That's the thing - even skill availability doesn't distinguish the gangs very
much because there's a fair chance that you'll get the opportunity to roll on
skill tables you aren't normally allowed.
Philip Bowles
P Bowles
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>My first real intro to actually table top gaming in the GW worlds was
>through a multitude of chaos warband leagues that I played in. Now *that*
>was a game that required some serious modification to models
>sometimes...Ouch! All played with the 3rd edition rules for WFB.
I'm looking forward to next month's warband rules in WD, actually.
>Doesn't mean that the new WH on-line game will be a failure, though, but
>they do have their work cut out for them to come up with something that is
>interesting and dynamic enough to keep people coming back for more again
>and again.
It may not be a failure, but let's just say my suspicion is that it will have
more in common with "The Bard's Tale" than "Ultima Online".
Philip Bowles
John Hwang
>John Hwang (johnhw...@cs.com.no.com) wrote:
>:
>: Great. And what about my Spyres???
>:
>You mean the ones who can often have units that can take out anything on
>the board at the initial get go
If a mega-point Spyre can't kill nearly any individual enemy model 1-on-1, that
says something about the problems of Spyres.
>and usually don't suffer any penalties
>whatsoever in those missions where you have a decreased gang size?? After
>all when a 2500 point Orlock gang with 20 members is dropped down to only
>5 they have lost 75% of their numbers, meanwhile most spyre gangs would
>still be at full strength in a similar situation.
Yeah, because this happens *all* the time.
>The spyres are expensive because they are better and more capable than the
>other gangs from the very beginning and are still competitive even after
>the other gangs start to advance their abilities.
Quality vs quantity. And with advancement, numbers win.
marcus
> rationally play with, but at the same I also have a half dozen CCGs I have
> tons of cards for along with historical mini games and 40+ RPGs in my
> gaming collection...Way more than I will ever be able to take full
> advantage of in one lifetime...Oi...I think its time to start weeding
> things out...I could probably make a sizable amount of cash if I sell off
> a bunch of stuff...Would save a lot of time on painting as well...;)
My console/pc gaming hobby is fairly all consuming, but I'm pleased to say
(or pathetic to share) that I generally play through everything I buy. And
if its not good enough, it goes back to the store. None of them require
quite the time investment that any RPG does. Warhammer is stretching me a
little thin timewise, between girlfriend, friends, games, and work... I
do/did have a 3rd edition campaign started, but that fell by the wayside
several months ago when I got hit by a deluge of work. It was a first
experience for most of us playing, quite a bit of fun.
> Pick a variety of sizes, but do yourself a favor and don't buy anything
> smaller than say a 00 brush. Once you start getting too small the brush
> cannot hold enough paint to be useful. And anything you need a hyper
> small brush for can still be painted effectively with a slightly larger
> brush with a good tip on it. Actually you might want to buy a bunch of
> "hobby" brushes for use in dry brushing duty, since that tends to beat the
> crap out of your brushes. Usually every couple of years I buy new brushes
> and then retire the current brushes to dry brushing duty, but it can get
> expensive just buying a bunch of extra good brushes to use for lousy duty
> like that.
I don't wanna 'waste' money on new brushes, but I know if I don't buy a
decent set, I'll just have an annoying time painting with bad brushes and be
more annoyed with the results, so, off to the art suppy store ;)
> Sometimes talking to some people, though, I often find myself wondering
> why they even bother. If the game sucks so much and the prices are so
> bloody high and everything is just so awful, why are they wasting their
> time??
This occured to me quite often when I first started reading this group. I
kept checking that I was reading r.g.m.warhammer, not flame.flame.flame.gw
> : Thanks :) Probably not, but its an invaluable resource nontheless. I
need
> : some similar minded people to share my fevered addiction with :D
> :
> If you can find your way through the chaff some useful things can be had
> here...once you get past all the homosexual references, newbie abusing and
> anit america/pro america arguing that is...;)
>
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Eh, my normal group of friends are all homoerotic masters anyway, so that's
par for the course. The newbie abusing is slightly rougher here than
elsewhere on the net, but I'm an ass to newbies in some situations as well.
And the pro/anti america stuff, well, that's on every newsgroup...
Robert Singers
> This occured to me quite often when I first started reading this group. I
> kept checking that I was reading r.g.m.warhammer, not flame.flame.flame.gw
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[ ] Twerp [ ] Twit
[ ] Unbearably Self-Righteous Person
[ ] Vampy [ ] WaReZ D00D
[ ] Web TVer [ ] White House Intern
[ ] Whoopi Goldberg
[ ] Most of the above
[ ] All of the Above
[ ] Some of the above, not including All of the above
[ ] Other ( )
[ ] None of the above - it's far too horrible to contemplate
You Are Being Flamed Because:
[ ] You posted binaries [ ]in pieces LESS than 5000 lines
[ ] to a non-binary group
[ ] You are advocating posting binaries to text groups
[ ] You posted to the wrong group
[ ] You posted text in a binary group
[ ] You posted something asking for warez sites
[ ] You posted something asking for fR33 5TuFf
[ ] You started a long, stupid thread [ ] that I didn't find entertaining
[ ] You continued a long, stupid thread [ ] that I didn't find entertaining
[ ] You started an off-topic thread [ ] that I didn't find entertaining
[ ] You continued an off-topic thread [ ] that I didn't find entertaining
[ ] You started a thread about sexuality [ ] that I didn't find entertaining
[ ] You started a thread about religion [ ] that I didn't find entertaining
[ ] You started a campaign to rid the news group of all off-topic threads
[ ] You used long lines, i.e. you didn't break up your lines after
60-70 characters, thereby making it hard to quote your post
[ ] You quoted 120 lines of a thread and added 3 words or less...
[ ] and they were all misspelt
[ ] You said "me too" to something
[ ] As above, except you said "me to," "me two," or "me 2"
[ ] You didn't quote anything from earlier in the thread which rendered
your reply incomprehensible
[ ] You repeatedly initiated incoherent, flaky, and mindless threads
[ ] that I didn't find entertaining
[ ] You posted a "YOU ALL SUCK" message and [ ] used 311t3 cApiTalZ
[ ] misspelt it
[ ] Your post ended in "now shut up" and [ ] used 311t3 cApiTalZ
[ ] misspelt it
[x] You reiterated one of the oldest arguments on the RGMW
[ ] You posted a piece riddled with profanities
[ ] You did not understand the logic behind a profanity ridden post calling
for the non-usage of profanities
[ ] You posted a message with all the content in the subject line, and a
blank message
[ ] You top posted
[ ] You posted an incredibly bigoted post [] and didn't realize it
[ ] You advocated Net censorship
[ ] You posted a blatantly obvious troll
[ ] You cross posted your blatantly obvious troll to MULTIPLE news groups
[ ] You pretended to be a guru and, obviously, you aren't
[ ] You posted pretending to be someone famous (See "troll" above)
[ ] You posted low-IQ flamebait
[ ] You posted a poor excuse for a Form Flame
[ ] You replied to the above message type believing it was someone famous
[ ] You posted a "test" in a newsgroup other than alt.test
[ ] You posted an "everyone is against me/my race/my religion/my country"
message
[ ] You posted a stupid pyramid money making scheme and claimed it was legal
[ ] You posted a stupid pyramid money making scheme and claimed IT WORKS
[ ] You posted an ad or scam
[ ] You posted asking for/selling phone sex lines
[ ] You posted asking for/selling porn sites
[ ] You posted asking for/giving away free/copied stuff
[ ] You posted the inanely stupid
[ ] 'Make Money Fast' article [ ] '$250 Cookie Recipe' article
[ ] Magic weight-loss article [ ] Cheap s**t at high prices article
[ ] 'Fix Your Credit' article [ ] "Good Time Virus" warning
[ ] "Get Free Miniatures" article
[ ] "Buy 12 CDs for 1в" article
[ ] eBay ad
[ ] You posted a request to send business/get well cards to a little boy
with cancer who is trying to break the Guiness Book of Records
[ ] You posted a recruitment post for a religion
[ ] You were imposing your religious beliefs on others
[ ] Your ad/scam sucks because no one here asked for it
[ ] You doubtlessly violated the Terms of Service of your ISP
[x] You suck
[ ] You're on AOL
[ ] You should be on AOL
[ ] You make AOL look good
[ ] You're on Web TV
[ ] You should be on Web TV
[ ] You make Web TV look good
[ ] Your sig/alias/server sucks
[ ] Your .sig file exceeds your attention span
[ ] You don't even have a .sig file, and it still exceeds your attention
span
[ ] Your .sig is ridiculous because:
[ ] You listed
[ ] snail mail address(es).
[ ] phone numbers for people to use in prank calls.
[ ] You included a stupid disclaimer.
[ ] Your pathetic attempt at being witty in the disclaimer failed.
[ ] Miserably.
[ ] You included:
[ ] A stupid self-quote.
[ ] Lame ASCII graphic(s)
(Choose all that apply):
[ ] USS Enterprise.
[ ] Australia.
[ ] The Amiga logo.
[ ] Company logo.
[ ] And you stated that you don't speak for your employer.
[ ] Bicycle.
[ ] Bart Simpson
[ ] You have a SIG with more than 4 lines of ASCII graphics
[ ] Your spelling and/or grammar is/are reflective of an illiterate
[ ] You spelled 'definitely' wrong (why does _everybody_ do that?)
[ ] You posted in ElItE CaPiTaLs because you think that makes you kEwL
[ ] YOU POSTED IN ALL CAPS
[ ] You made up slang then used it in a message
[ ] You posted in HTML
[ ] You folded, spindled or otherwise mutilated the RGMW Form Flame
[ ] You disliked the RGMW Form Flame
[ ] You voiced your dislike of the RGMW Form Flame, yet quoted the whole
thing
[ ] You posted what should have been emailed
[ ] You haven't learned the difference between E-mail and newsgroups
[ ] You neglected to do research on the chosen subject
[ ] You have absolutely no knowledge of the topic of this
news group/mailing list
[ ] You have absolutely no knowledge of the topic of what you
are talking about
[x] Your mother dresses you funny
[ ] You asked a question that was covered in the available FAQ
[ ] You made a blanket statement without backing it up
[ ] You posted the stupidest article of the week
[ ] It wasn't the stupidest article of the week, but it was damn close
[ ] You posted the same message more then one time
[ ] You redundantly covered the same point over and over
[ ] You redundantly covered the same point over and over
[ ] You repeatedly posted to the same thread that you just posted to
[ ] You cross posted excessively
[ ] You are apparently under compulsion to post to every thread
[ ] You posted a request for an article which was posted three times
in the past week
[ ] You ask for somebody to do your homework
[ ] You ask for somebody to do your homework for free
[ ] You don't want to learn to fish, you just want a fish
[ ] You want it, whatever you wanted, ASAP (of course)
[ ] You just dropped your post and asked to have all the replies sent to
your mailbox
[ ] You are too stupid to do a web search
[ ] You flamed a poor guy in distress trying to find some help
[ ] You flamed someone for [ ] spelling and/or [ ] grammatical errors while
committing [ ] spelling and/or [ ] grammatical errors yourself
[ ] You flamed someone who has been around far longer than you.
[ ] You flamed someone who is far more intelligent and witty than you.
[ ] And considering who you flamed, that's sad.
[ ] You repeatedly assumed unwarranted moral or intellectual superiority
[ ] You questioned my moral and/or intellectual superiority
[ ] You questioned (below)'s moral and/or intellectual superiority
[ ] Alistair [ ] Astister
[ ] Blackheart [ ] Blank Dave
[ ] Blue Raja [ ] Cheshire Cat
[ ] Craig Little [ ] Daniel Blakemore
[ ] David Gausebeck [ ] DellCry
[ ] Doctor Faust [ ] Donovan Borman
[ ] Ducalguard [ ] Erik Setzer
[ ] Evil Al [ ] Fog
[ ] incrdble [ ] Insane Ranter
[ ] Janet Quick [ ] Jason Dryer
[ ] Jimi [ ] Jim M
[ ] John Hwang [ ] Justin Gaskins
[ ] Keith Hann [ ] Kurt
[ ] LuckyStryke [ ] Maka
[ ] Matthew Sprange [ ] Moramarth
[ ] Myrmidon [ ] Ned Leavitt
[ ] Northy [ ] Old Bear
[ ] OrpheusITU [ ] Peter Cowderoy
[ ] Philip Bowles [ ] Qrab
[ ] Quicksilver Knight [ ] Rafale
[ ] Rec.Games.Miniatures.Misc
[ ] Richard Lobinske [ ] Robert Smeatham
[ ] Rob Singers [ ] Robert Williams
[ ] RT Maitreya [ ] Samuel Campbell
[ ] Shim [ ] smithdoerr
[ ] St. Jason [ ] The Archdeacon
[ ] Tim Albers [ ] Tom Beliech
[ ] Vampy
[ ] Other: all the above
[ ] You repeatedly demonstrated your stupidity
[ ] You tried to blame others for your stupidity
[ ] You questioned (below)'s stupidity
[ ] Alistair [ ] Astister
[ ] Blackheart [ ] Blank Dave
[ ] Blue Raja [ ] Cheshire Cat
[ ] Craig Little [ ] Daniel Blakemore
[ ] David Gausebeck [ ] DellCry
[ ] Doctor Faust [ ] Donovan Borman
[ ] Ducalguard [ ] Erik Setzer
[ ] Evil Al [ ] Fog
[ ] incrdble [ ] Insane Ranter
[ ] Janet Quick [ ] Jason Dryer
[ ] Jimi [ ] Jim M
[ ] John Hwang [ ] Justin Gaskins
[ ] Keith Hann [ ] Kurt
[ ] LuckyStryke [ ] Maka
[ ] Matthew Sprange [ ] Moramarth
[ ] Myrmidon [ ] Ned Leavitt
[ ] Northy [ ] Old Bear
[ ] OrpheusITU [ ] Peter Cowderoy
[ ] Philip Bowles [ ] Qrab
[ ] Quicksilver Knight [ ] Rafale
[ ] Rec.Games.Miniatures.Misc
[ ] Richard Lobinske [ ] Robert Smeatham
[ ] Rob Singers [ ] Robert Williams
[ ] RT Maitreya [ ] Samuel Campbell
[ ] Shim [ ] smithdoerr
[ ] St. Jason [ ] The Archdeacon
[ ] Tim Albers [ ] Tom Beliech
[ ] Vampy
[ ] Other:
[ ] You repeatedly assumed that Blank Dave couldn't build a bigger
Form Flame
[ ] You repeatedly assumed that your Form Flame was larger
[ ] You are under the misapprehension that this group is your preserve
[ ] You are under the misapprehension that this group isn't (below)'s
preserve
[ ] Alistair [ ] Astister
[ ] Blackheart [ ] Blank Dave
[ ] Blue Raja [ ] Cheshire Cat
[ ] Craig Little [ ] Daniel Blakemore
[ ] David Gausebeck [ ] DellCry
[ ] Doctor Faust [ ] Donovan Borman
[ ] Ducalguard [ ] Erik Setzer
[ ] Evil Al [ ] Fog
[ ] incrdble [ ] Insane Ranter
[ ] Janet Quick [ ] Jason Dryer
[ ] Jimi [ ] Jim M
[ ] John Hwang [ ] Justin Gaskins
[ ] Keith Hann [ ] Kurt
[ ] LuckyStryke [ ] Maka
[ ] Matthew Sprange [ ] Moramarth
[ ] Myrmidon [ ] Ned Leavitt
[ ] Northy [ ] Old Bear
[ ] OrpheusITU [ ] Peter Cowderoy
[ ] Philip Bowles [ ] Qrab
[ ] Quicksilver Knight [ ] Rafale
[ ] Rec.Games.Miniatures.Misc
[ ] Richard Lobinske [ ] Robert Smeatham
[ ] Rob Singers [ ] Robert Williams
[ ] RT Maitreya [ ] Samuel Campbell
[ ] Shim [ ] smithdoerr
[ ] St. Jason [ ] The Archdeacon
[ ] Tim Albers [ ] Tom Beliech
[ ] Vampy
[ ] Other:
[ ] You are under the misapprehension that Cheshire Cat isn't really
Whoopi Goldberg
[ ] You made an error and blamed someone else
[ ] All you ever do is insult people
[ ] All you ever do is complain about people insulting people
[ ] You accuse others of doing the same thing you do
[ ] You repeatedly have shown a lack of humor
[ ] You repeatedly requested info on where to find XXX stuff
[ ] You repeatedly harassed people with androgynous names like Chris, Jamie,
Jean, or Rajhatmalhaban, with "Are you a girl?" or "M/F?" questions
[ ] You repeatedly assumed Shim had a gender
[ ] You are clueless
[ ] You are too stupid to figure out we hate your kind of people
[ ] You didn't understand (below)'s sarcasm
[ ] Alistair [ ] Astister
[ ] Blackheart [ ] Blank Dave
[ ] Blue Raja [ ] Cheshire Cat
[ ] Craig Little [ ] Daniel Blakemore
[ ] David Gausebeck [ ] DellCry
[ ] Doctor Faust [ ] Donovan Borman
[ ] Ducalguard [ ] Erik Setzer
[ ] Evil Al [ ] Fog
[ ] incrdble [ ] Insane Ranter
[ ] Janet Quick [ ] Jason Dryer
[ ] Jimi [ ] Jim M
[ ] John Hwang [ ] Justin Gaskins
[ ] Keith Hann [ ] Kurt
[ ] LuckyStryke [ ] Maka
[ ] Matthew Sprange [ ] Moramarth
[ ] Myrmidon [ ] Ned Leavitt
[ ] Northy [ ] Old Bear
[ ] OrpheusITU [ ] Peter Cowderoy
[ ] Philip Bowles [ ] Qrab
[ ] Quicksilver Knight [ ] Rafale
[ ] Rec.Games.Miniatures.Misc
[ ] Richard Lobinske [ ] Robert Smeatham
[ ] Rob Singers [ ] Robert Williams
[ ] RT Maitreya [ ] Samuel Campbell
[ ] Shim [ ] smithdoerr
[ ] St. Jason [ ] The Archdeacon
[ ] Tim Albers [ ] Tom Beliech
[ ] Vampy
[ ] Other:
[ ] You complained about how all forty GW figures you bought this month were
expensive and covered in flash
[ ] It's just that kind of day
[ ] You responded to _every post_ on the group today
[ ] You argued about copyright law as if you knew what you were talking
about
[ ] You argued about evolution as if you knew what you were talking about
[ ] You talked about your sex life as if you knew what you were talking
about
[ ] You talked about someone else's sex life as if you knew what you were
talking about
[ ] You talked about genitals as if you had any to talk about
[ ] No matter how many times it's explained to you, you can't understand the
Second Law of Thermodynamics
[ ] You argued about GW's future business plans as if you knew what you were
talking about
[ ] You compared the cost of GW figures to cars
[ ] You compared the cost of GW figures to other company's figures
[ ] You compared the cost of GW figures to other models
[ ] You mistook GW products as reflective of the real world
[ ] You mistook the real world as reflective of GW products
[ ] You are wasting bandwidth without any useful purpose
[x] I'm bored
[ ] I think you might be a fed
[ ] I think you might be a GW employee
[ ] I think you want to be a GW employee
[x] I think you might be a member of GW's target audience
[ ] I think you might be
[ ] Adrian "Trying to put enough weight on to sumo westle Fat Bloke"
Wood
[ ] Andy "Needs a new barber" Chambers
[ ] Brian "I can only scupt orks" Nelson
[ ] Chris "Never wipes his chin" Bickford
[ ] Dave "Where's my hair?" Andrews
[ ] Gav "Never let me write a codex again" Thorpe
[ ] Jervis "I hate Squats" Johnson
[ ] Jes "Should be the only one to touch the Eldar" Goodwin
[ ] Kenny "I glued my head to a table" Goodman
[ ] Mark Bedford
[ ] Nigel "Crack Pipe" Stillman
[ ] Paul "His ass never stops jiggling" Sawyer
[ ] Rick "Not quite dead yet" Priestly
[ ] Robin "Slightly Rotund Bloke" Dews
[ ] Simon Shuker
[ ] Tim Adhock
[ ] Tim "Has RGMW Killfiled" Huckelbery
[ ] You posted your article using some Microsoft's crappy & buggy program
[ ] You assumed that AOL/CIS/Prodigy founded the Internet
[ ] You assumed that Al Gore founded the Internet
[ ] You assumed that the Internet is a U.S. only phenomenon
[ ] You failed to understand that the North American phone
billing system is not world-wide.
[ ] You used the phrase "Information Superhighway"
[x] It's just that kind of day
[ ] You barged into a quiet little news group and started
stinking up the place just because you read an article about
the newsgroup in some magazine or had seen it on TV etc....
[ ] You are a gutless coward that can't post from a valid e-mail address
(we'll track you down anyway)
[ ] You are posting an anonymous attack
[ ] You discussed "My (below) is/are Better Than Your (below)"
[ ] Education [ ] Job
[ ] Nation [ ] Nation's military
[ ] Pulsating Cerebral Lobes
[ ] Religion [ ] Taste in Music
[ ] Taste in Women
[ ] Other
[ ] You discussed the following in a non-nutcase newsgroup;
[ ] Hollow earth theory [ ] Alien President theory
[ ] Orbital mind control frisbees [ ] Faith healing
[ ] Government weather control [ ] Russian psychics
[ ] Squeaky Fromme [ ] The nation of France
[ ] Robot spy bees [ ] Sexually promiscuous space aliens
[ ] "Manos, the Hands of Fate" [ ] Beavis & Butthead anything
[ ] Flat earth theory [ ] Government conspiracy theory
[ ] The location of Jimmy Hoffa
[ ] The veracity of any X-Files plot (see all of the above)
[ ] Other:
[ ] You considered the following to be reliable reference sources;
[ ] Golden Books' "Exploring Science", printed 1955
[ ] Any program covered by [ ]Talk Soup or [ ] SNL News
[ ] Oliver Stone [ ] Hard Copy
[ ] Inside Edition [ ] The National Enquirer
[ ] The Sun [ ] NY Post
[ ] The Union Leader [ ] Pravda
[ ] OMNI Magazine [ ] Company Marketing Hype
[ ] Microsoft [ ] The Simpsons
[ ] A GW Publication
[ ] An unidentified, but obviously stupid, person or publication
[ ] Other:
[ ] You didn't do anything specific, but appear to be so generally worthless
that you are being flamed anyway
[x] Other:
To Repent, You Must:
[ ] Abstain from sex for a month (shouldn't be too hard for you)
[ ] Actually post something relevant
[ ] Allow boring and useless threads to die
[ ] Appear on Jerry Springer
[ ] Attempt to win this year's Darwin Award
[ ] Be Alec's personal "Little Love Monkey" for a [ ] week [ ] month
[ ] year [ ] the rest of your natural life
[ ] Be Micheal Jackson's love slave for a [ ] week [ ] month
[ ] year [ ] the rest of your natural life
[ ] Be careful of where you are cross posting to
[ ] Be the guest of honor in alt.flame for a month
[ ] Bust up your modem with a hammer and eat it
[ ] Then choke to death on the remmnants
[ ] Consider that others may know more about certain subjects than you
[ ] Consider that just about everybody may know more about just about
everything than you
[ ] Cut your balls (or breasts, if you're a woman) off
[ ] Cut your balls off and mail them to Justin Gaskins
[ ] Cut your breasts off and mail them to me
[ ] Deep-throat my dog
[ ] Deep-throat Cheshire Cat
[ ] Deep-throat ROB
[ ] Deep-throat ROB, and bite it off
[ ] Donated your body to science before you are done using it
[ ] Do not bother getting a new account when this one is pulled
[ ] Do not delete the "welcome to the list" message you received when
you joined
[ ] Don't take yourself so damn seriously!
[ ] Eat the dingle berries encrusted upon Alec's body
[ ] Exercise some humility
[ ] Exercise a great deal of humility
[ ] Familiarize yourself with the concept of:
[ ] being RGMW News Group Moron for a long time
[ ] caution [ ] common courtesy
[ ] getting flamed for the rest of your life
[ ] higher brain functions
[ ] patience [ ] succinctness
[ ] tolerance [ ] vocabulary
[ ] Other:
[ ] Familiarize yourself with the history of the Internet
[ ] Familiarize yourself with the history of the RGMW
[ ] Find out if arsenic really "Tastes Great" or is "Less Filling"
[ ] Fish for a clue in shark-infested waters
[ ] Get a job
[ ] No, a _real_ job
[ ] Working at McDonald's is not a real job...
[ ] Get an appointment with Dr. Kevorkian
[x] Get me
[ ] a Beer [x] Black Coffee
[ ] a Bottle of Vodka [ ] a Bowl of Jell-O
[ ] a Cigar [ ] a Cigarette
[ ] Some Clarnico mints [ ] a Cola
[ ] a Hamburger [ ] a Happy Meal
[ ] a Hollow Cat [ ] a Hot Dog
[ ] a Kebab Tray and Chips
[ ] Mike McVey's Head On a Stick
[ ] a Nubile Buxomly Virgin Goddess Covered in
the Lightest of Olive Oils
[ ] a Pizza [ ] a Rum & Blackcurrant
[ ] a Salad [ ] a Sandwich
[ ] Some Cold Soapy Frogs
[ ] Some Penguins [ ] Some Prune Juice
[ ] Some Stuffed Grape Leaves
[ ] Some Wet Stuff (TM) [ ] Some Whipped Cream
[ ] Some Whipped Cream And a Box of Big Feather
Dusters
[ ] a Taco [ ] a Teletubbie Carcass
[ ] Three Live Chickens and a Tub of Cocoa Butter
And Send It To My Room
[ ] a Walrus [ ] a Whore
[x] Other:
[x] Get over it
[x] Get used to being mocked
[ ] Get used to being [ ] verbally and/or [ ] physically abused
[ ] Get used to being the Newsgroup Idiot
[ ] Give up all your worldly possessions and become a Tibetan monk
[ ] Give up your Internet\Usenet access
[ ] Give your computer to charity
[ ] Give your internal organs to charity
[ ] Give your internal organs to charity before you're done with them
[ ] Go see the therapist you fired three months ago
[ ] Find a therapist to replace the one that committed suicide after
listening to your shit
[ ] Go to http://come.to/Troll_Station
[ ] Go to the top of a building and attempt to defy gravity
[ ] Go to the White House and attempt to kill:
[ ] The President [ ] His wife
[ ] His pet [ ] The First Intern
[ ] Other:
[ ] Hang yourself by the big toe for 72 hours
[ ] Insert all your miniatures into your rectum
[ ] Do as above, but then drink 3 bottles of Castrol Super Clean
to in an effort to strip said miniatures
[ ] Jump into a bathtub while holding your monitor
[ ] Lead by example
[ ] Learn to count above 10 with your boots on
[ ] Learn to count above 5 with your boots on
[ ] Learn to pee straight
[ ] Learn to pee
[ ] Learn to use Alta Vista.
[ ] Learn to use Google
[ ] Learn to use the 'kill' command to eliminate erroneous posts
[ ] Learn to walk only with your rear paws
[ ] Lick an exposed, live wire
[ ] Lick Justin Gaskins' exposed, live wire
[ ] Let Justin Gaskin lick your exposed, live wire
[ ] Tell Northy he needs a bra
[ ] Try to put a bra on Northy
[ ] Touch Northy's breasts
[ ] 'Lurk' without posting for a few days to learn the forum of a group
[ ] 'Lurk' for the rest of your natural life
[x] Manage to make (below) physically ill with a bit of innuendo
[ ] Alistair [ ] Astister
[ ] Blackheart [ ] Blank Dave
[ ] Blue Raja [x] Cheshire Cat
[ ] Craig Little [ ] Daniel Blakemore
[ ] David Gausebeck [ ] DellCry
[ ] Doctor Faust [ ] Donovan Borman
[ ] Ducalguard [ ] Erik Setzer
[ ] Evil Al [ ] Fog
[ ] incrdble [ ] Insane Ranter
[ ] Janet Quick [ ] Jason Dryer
[ ] Jimi [ ] Jim M
[ ] John Hwang [ ] Justin Gaskins
[ ] Keith Hann [ ] Kurt
[ ] LuckyStryke [ ] Maka
[ ] Matthew Sprange [ ] Moramarth
[ ] Myrmidon [ ] Ned Leavitt
[ ] Northy [ ] Old Bear
[ ] OrpheusITU [ ] Peter Cowderoy
[ ] Philip Bowles [ ] Qrab
[ ] Quicksilver Knight [ ] Rafale
[ ] Rec.Games.Miniatures.Misc
[ ] Richard Lobinske [ ] Robert Smeatham
[ ] Rob Singers [ ] Robert Williams
[ ] RT Maitreya [ ] Samuel Campbell
[ ] Shim [ ] smithdoerr
[ ] St. Jason [ ] The Archdeacon
[ ] Tim Albers [ ] Tom Beliech
[ ] Vampy
[ ] Other:
[ ] Melt down all your figures and then take a bath in
the resulting mixture
[ ] Nail Shim for for a [ ] week [ ] month [ ] year
[ ] the rest of your natural life
[ ] every night
[ ] No longer contribute to this newsgroup/mailing list
[ ] No longer contribute to any newsgroup/mailing list
[ ] No longer contribute to the gene pool
[ ] Don't attempt to evolve to the point where you *could* contribute
to the gene pool
[ ] Pack your computer and send it to me
[ ] Play "Don't Touch My Plunger" with Justin Gaskins for a
[ ] week [ ] month [ ] year [ ] the rest of your natural life
[ ] Poke your eye out with a stick
[ ] Poke your eye in with a stick
[ ] Post only to alt.dev.null
[ ] Post only to the WH40K mailing list
[ ] Quit putting the moves on your Dark Eldar Wyches
[ ] Quit putting the moves on your Ultrasmurfs
[ ] Quit putting the moves on your Escher Gangers
[ ] Quit touching your Dark Elf Witchs *there*
[ ] Read EVERY message in alt.religon.scientology TWICE
[ ] Read every newsgroup you posted to for a week
[ ] Read the FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) list for the group
[ ] At least read the weekly MiniFAQ!
[ ] Recall that there are academic and commercial users on the net
[ ] Recall that there are other users on the net
[ ] Re-install what ever failed mental operating system you are
currently running on
[ ] Relinquish your right to procreate
[ ] Remember that not all news readers are threaded
[ ] Remember that the Internet is multinational
[ ] Pepeatedly slam a door on your genitals
[ ] See a doctor about removing your head from your arse
[ ] See a doctor about removing your head from GW's arse
[ ] See a doctor about removing your head from Jervis Johnson's arse
[ ] Selectively respond to threads after reading all new messages in
that thread
[ ] Send (below) all of you miniatures, terrain and books.
[ ] Alistair [ ] Astister
[ ] Blackheart [ ] Blank Dave
[ ] Blue Raja [ ] Cheshire Cat
[ ] Craig Little [ ] Daniel Blakemore
[ ] David Gausebeck [ ] DellCry
[ ] Doctor Faust [ ] Donovan Borman
[ ] Ducalguard [ ] Erik Setzer
[ ] Evil Al [ ] Fog
[ ] incrdble [ ] Insane Ranter
[ ] Janet Quick [ ] Jason Dryer
[ ] Jimi [ ] Jim M
[ ] John Hwang [ ] Justin Gaskins
[ ] Keith Hann [ ] Kurt
[ ] LuckyStryke [ ] Maka
[ ] Matthew Sprange [ ] Moramarth
[ ] Myrmidon [ ] Ned Leavitt
[ ] Northy [ ] Old Bear
[ ] OrpheusITU [ ] Peter Cowderoy
[ ] Philip Bowles [ ] Qrab
[ ] Quicksilver Knight [ ] Rafale
[ ] Rec.Games.Miniatures.Misc
[ ] Richard Lobinske [ ] Robert Smeatham
[ ] Rob Singers [ ] Robert Williams
[ ] RT Maitreya [ ] Samuel Campbell
[ ] Shim [ ] smithdoerr
[ ] St. Jason [ ] The Archdeacon
[ ] Tim Albers [ ] Tom Beliech
[ ] Vampy
[ ] Other:
[ ] Serve as the "Choose Abortion!" poster child
[ ] Slam your fingers in a desk drawer repeatedly
[ ] Smoke less of what you are smoking
[ ] Spam the same news groups with your home address and phone number
[ ] Stop masturbating for a [ ] week [ ] month [ ] year [ ] the rest
of your natural life
[ ] Stop molesting corpses
[ ] Start molesting corpses (you obviously need an out let for all that pent
up sexual frustration, and cadavers hopefully provide the least likely
avenue of reproduction)
[ ] Stop molesting livestock
[ ] Stop allowing yourself to be molested by livestock
[ ] Start molesting livestock (you obviously need an out let for all that
pent up sexual frustration, and livestock provides the least likely
avenue of reproduction)
[ ] Stop molesting your nephews
[ ] Stop allowing Unca Alec to molest you
[ ] Stop molesting Cheshire Cat
[ ] Start molesting Cheshire Cat
[ ] Stop molesting Whoopi Goldberg
[ ] Start molesting Whoopi Goldberg
[ ] Stop reading news and get a life.
[ ] Stop sending news and get a life
[ ] Stop volunteering for Armed Forces pharmaceutical experiments
[ ] Start volunteering for Armed Forces pharmaceutical experiments
[ ] Subscribe to every GW periodical and not complain about their contents,
or lack there of
[x] Successfully flame
[ ] Alistair [ ] Astister
[ ] Blackheart [ ] Blank Dave
[ ] Blue Raja [ ] Cheshire Cat
[ ] Craig Little [ ] Daniel Blakemore
[ ] David Gausebeck [ ] DellCry
[ ] Doctor Faust [ ] Donovan Borman
[ ] Ducalguard [ ] Erik Setzer
[ ] Evil Al [ ] Fog
[ ] incrdble [ ] Insane Ranter
[ ] Janet Quick [ ] Jason Dryer
[ ] Jimi [ ] Jim M
[ ] John Hwang [ ] Justin Gaskins
[ ] Keith Hann [ ] Kurt
[ ] LuckyStryke [ ] Maka
[ ] Matthew Sprange [ ] Moramarth
[ ] Myrmidon [ ] Ned Leavitt
[ ] Northy [x] Old Bear
[ ] OrpheusITU [ ] Peter Cowderoy
[ ] Philip Bowles [ ] Qrab
[ ] Quicksilver Knight [ ] Rafale
[ ] Rec.Games.Miniatures.Misc
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John Hwang
>> For me, too, I have all this GW game stuff and more armies than
>> I can rationally play with, but at the same I also have a half dozen
>> CCGs I have tons of cards for along with historical mini games
Trying to guess who this might be... RTM?
As a bit of advice on the CCGs -- if one of those is Magic, you'll probably do
better to hold those cards. I know a lot of people who now regret selling
their cards.
>> Oi...I think its time to start weeding
>> things out...I could probably make a sizable amount of cash if I sell off
>> a bunch of stuff...Would save a lot of time on painting as well...;)
Oh, wait, you mentioned painting. That means it can't be RTM.
>My console/pc gaming hobby is fairly all consuming, but I'm pleased
> to say (or pathetic to share) that I generally play through everything
>I buy.
I don't. I cut my losses on a bad title ASAP.
>And if its not good enough, it goes back to the store. None of them
>require quite the time investment that any RPG does. Warhammer
>is stretching me a little thin timewise, between girlfriend, friends,
>games, and work... I do/did have a 3rd edition campaign started, but
>that fell by the wayside several months ago when I got hit by a deluge
<of work. It was a first experience for most of us playing, quite a bit of fun.
Yup.
>> Pick a variety of sizes, but do yourself a favor and don't buy anything
>> smaller than say a 00 brush.
Nonsense. Right now, I can't find my big brushes and am doing fine with
nothing larger than a 3/0.
>> Once you start getting too small the brush
>> cannot hold enough paint to be useful. And anything you need a hyper
>> small brush for can still be painted effectively with a slightly larger
>> brush with a good tip on it.
Wrong. Too big a brush, and you can't get the point into small places.
>> Actually you might want to buy a bunch of "hobby" brushes for use
>> in dry brushing duty, since that tends to beat the crap out of your
>> brushes.
If you're clueless about how to drybrush or care for brushes, yes. Some of us
manage to paint *and* drybrush with the same brushes for *years* on end without
destroying them. We don't scrimp on brushes, either. My brushes are all
probably over 3 years old now, and only slightly worse for the wear in all this
time.
>>Usually every couple of years I buy new brushes
>> and then retire the current brushes to dry brushing duty, but it can get
>> expensive just buying a bunch of extra good brushes to use for lousy
>>duty like that.
If you're just going to piss them away, yes, I agree that you have no business
buying decent brushes. Learn to take care of them.
>I don't wanna 'waste' money on new brushes, but I know if I don't buy a
>decent set, I'll just have an annoying time painting with bad brushes and be
>more annoyed with the results, so, off to the art suppy store ;)
Correct. Buy *good* brushes, high quality is your friend here. Brushes which
"point" well will do much better for you. *Always* "pull", *never* "push".
And *clean* them before, during, and afterwards. A little bit of brush care
will go a long way.
P Bowles
johnhw...@cs.com.no.com (John Hwang) writes:
>As a bit of advice on the CCGs -- if one of those is Magic, you'll probably
>do
>better to hold those cards. I know a lot of people who now regret selling
>their cards.
Why's that? I ask because I have a massive collection that I plan to try and
shift once it's properly sorted out.
Philip Bowles
Avatar
: "marcus" a...@spam.net wrote:
: >> For me, too, I have all this GW game stuff and more armies than
: >> I can rationally play with, but at the same I also have a half dozen
: >> CCGs I have tons of cards for along with historical mini games
: >> and 40+ RPGs in my gaming collection... Way more than I will ever
: >> be able to take full advantage of in one lifetime...
:
: Trying to guess who this might be... RTM?
:
: As a bit of advice on the CCGs -- if one of those is Magic, you'll probably do
: better to hold those cards. I know a lot of people who now regret selling
: their cards.
Actually that quote was from me, Avatar.
Magic is one of the CCGs I have.
: Oh, wait, you mentioned painting. That means it can't be RTM.
Especially considering his signature wasn't on the original post...;)
: If you're clueless about how to drybrush or care for brushes, yes. Some of us
: manage to paint *and* drybrush with the same brushes for *years* on end without
: destroying them. We don't scrimp on brushes, either. My brushes are all
: probably over 3 years old now, and only slightly worse for the wear in all this
: time.
Dry brushing is not very good on brushes, though. I will not waste my
decent frontline brushes on drybrushing. I have plenty of old beat up
brushes for that job so I don't use the newest ones. No point. I did use
the same brushes for the process, but its a lot easier to not have to
worry about it if you can have separate brushes.
: If you're just going to piss them away, yes, I agree that you have no business
: buying decent brushes. Learn to take care of them.
:
I do take care of my brushes, but plenty of times after good use and care
it is still effective to buy some new brushes and use them and retire the
old ones to dry brush duty.
Avatar
John Hwang
>johnhw...@cs.com.no.com (John Hwang) writes:
>>As a bit of advice on the CCGs -- if one of those is Magic, you'll probably
>>do better to hold those cards. I know a lot of people who now regret
>>selling their cards.
>
>Why's that? I ask because I have a massive collection that I plan to try and
>shift once it's properly sorted out.
The problem is with getting back in. If you've spent any effort collecting
cards, super cards in particular, the hassle of selling, and then re-buying is
too much of a hurdle. You can spend ages trying to find a card, and finally
get it at a decent price. Then to have to repeat the process is just
maddening.
John Hwang
>John Hwang (johnhw...@cs.com.no.com) wrote:
>: "marcus" a...@spam.net wrote:
>: >> For me, too, I have all this GW game stuff and more armies than
>: >> I can rationally play with, but at the same I also have a half dozen
>: >> CCGs I have tons of cards for along with historical mini games
>: >> and 40+ RPGs in my gaming collection... Way more than I will ever
>: >> be able to take full advantage of in one lifetime...
>:
>: Trying to guess who this might be... RTM?
>:
>: As a bit of advice on the CCGs -- if one of those is Magic, you'll probably
>:do better to hold those cards. I know a lot of people who now regret
>:selling their cards.
>
>Actually that quote was from me, Avatar.
I know. I snipped your name at the very end.
>Magic is one of the CCGs I have.
See my response to Phil. If you think you might ever get back in, don't sell
them.
>: Oh, wait, you mentioned painting. That means it can't be RTM.
>
>Especially considering his signature wasn't on the original post...;)
Yes. :)
>: If you're clueless about how to drybrush or care for brushes, yes. Some of
>: us manage to paint *and* drybrush with the same brushes for *years* on
>: end without destroying them. We don't scrimp on brushes, either. My
>: brushes are all probably over 3 years old now, and only slightly worse
>: for the wear in all this time.
>
>Dry brushing is not very good on brushes, though.
Doesn't have to be. It's a question of technique. As long as you're pulling
paint, drybrushing is no more of a wear on brushes than ordinary painting.
>I will not waste my
>decent frontline brushes on drybrushing. I have plenty of old beat up
>brushes for that job so I don't use the newest ones. No point. I did use
>the same brushes for the process, but its a lot easier to not have to
>worry about it if you can have separate brushes.
Again, I think *your* drybrush *technique* (or lack thereof) is what's
destroying your brushes. It's not drybrushing in general which is doing this.
>: If you're just going to piss them away, yes, I agree that you have no
>: business buying decent brushes. Learn to take care of them.
>
>I do take care of my brushes, but plenty of times after good use and care
>it is still effective to buy some new brushes and use them and retire the
>old ones to dry brush duty.
Again, I've not seen this happen. Perhaps after another few years, I'll change
my tune, but in 3+ years of painting and drybrushing, I don't see the need or
effectiveness you claim.
Robert Singers
> >Dry brushing is not very good on brushes, though.
>
> Doesn't have to be. It's a question of technique. As long as you're pulling
> paint, drybrushing is no more of a wear on brushes than ordinary painting.
It is when you're drybrushing a base with sand glue to it :-)
Qrab
<rsin...@finger.hotmail.com> wrote:
When drybrushing, I ruin them on a regular basis. Brushes are cheap,
especially the ones I use for drybrushing.
--
Be seeing you-
Qrab
remove yourhead to reply
RT Maitreya
>>>CCGs I have tons of cards for along with historical mini games
>>>and 40+ RPGs in my gaming collection... Way more than I will ever
>>>be able to take full advantage of in one lifetime...
>
> Trying to guess who this might be... RTM?
YES!!! Another amassment specialist.
>>>a bunch of stuff...Would save a lot of time on painting as well...;)
>
> Oh, wait, you mentioned painting. That means it can't be RTM.
CURSES! Foiled again!
RTM
John Hwang
>"Robert Singers" <rsin...@finger.hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "John Hwang" wrote
>> > >Dry brushing is not very good on brushes, though.
>> >
>> > Doesn't have to be. It's a question of technique. As long as
>> > you're pulling paint, drybrushing is no more of a wear on brushes
>> > than ordinary painting.
>>
>> It is when you're drybrushing a base with sand glue to it :-)
Hmm... I'll take a look at this when next I start basing. I've got multiple,
whole *armies* to base, so if drybrushing bases ruins brushes, I'm sure to see
the effect.
OTOH, it may be that my chosen and preferred basing techniques are less hard on
brushes than yours is. We'll see.
>When drybrushing, I ruin them on a regular basis.
I still don't know how you guys manage to do this...
>Brushes are cheap,
>especially the ones I use for drybrushing.
I pitched all of my low-grade brushes a long time ago, when I got serious about
painting.
Avatar
: The problem is with getting back in. If you've spent any effort collecting
: cards, super cards in particular, the hassle of selling, and then re-buying is
: too much of a hurdle. You can spend ages trying to find a card, and finally
: get it at a decent price. Then to have to repeat the process is just
: maddening.
I was a diehard magic trader for years and had complete sets from
Unlimited through Fallen Empires...then I finally just got tired of the
game. Now I have lots of cards, which we use occasionally. It would be
pretty easy to make up a ton of different decks and then just sell off the
rest of the cards. I will agree, though, that going through the
acquisition process again would just, well, suck...
Avatar
Avatar
: Again, I think *your* drybrush *technique* (or lack thereof) is what's
: destroying your brushes. It's not drybrushing in general which is doing this.
There is a bit of a difference in the phrase "can be hard on brushes" and
"destorys brushes". The phrasing I originally used is the first, because
it can certainly be hard on brushes. I swap my brushes around, not
because they are getting destroyed, but because I like to replace brushes
from time to time and then just rotate everything keeping the old brushes
around for duty like drybrushing because that way it doesn't matter *what*
happens to them in the process.
: Again, I've not seen this happen. Perhaps after another few years, I'll change
: my tune, but in 3+ years of painting and drybrushing, I don't see the need or
: effectiveness you claim.
Whatever, dude. I didn't say it was an absolute necessity to do every 3
years, just that I tend to *do it* every 3 years. I just like to keep my
main painting brushes fresh and have the money to burn to buy new ones as
often as I'd like...its that simple.
Avatar
Robert Singers
> I pitched all of my low-grade brushes a long time ago, when I got serious
about
> painting.
I take a disposable approach to brushes except for a few high quality "detail"
brushes I have. As brushes get worn or whatever they get relegated to harder
duty.
Qrab
johnhw...@cs.com.no.com (John Hwang) wrote:
> Qrab qr...@san.rr.yourhead.com wrote:
> >"Robert Singers" <rsin...@finger.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> "John Hwang" wrote
> >> > >Dry brushing is not very good on brushes, though.
> >> >
> >> > Doesn't have to be. It's a question of technique. As long as
> >> > you're pulling paint, drybrushing is no more of a wear on
> >> > brushes than ordinary painting.
> >>
> >> It is when you're drybrushing a base with sand glue to it :-)
>
> Hmm... I'll take a look at this when next I start basing. I've
> got multiple, whole *armies* to base, so if drybrushing bases ruins
> brushes, I'm sure to see the effect.
>
> OTOH, it may be that my chosen and preferred basing techniques are
> less hard on brushes than yours is. We'll see.
>
> >When drybrushing, I ruin them on a regular basis.
>
> I still don't know how you guys manage to do this...
I've got a take no prisoners attitude toward drybrushing.
John Hwang
So you're a hard-core DJ, too? OK, got it.
John Hwang
>John Hwang (johnhw...@cs.com.no.com) wrote:
>: The problem is with getting back in. If you've spent any effort collecting
>: cards, super cards in particular, the hassle of selling, and then re-buying
>: is too much of a hurdle. You can spend ages trying to find a card, and
>: finally get it at a decent price. Then to have to repeat the process is
>: just maddening.
>
>I was a diehard magic trader for years and had complete sets from
>Unlimited
Sweet!
>through Fallen Empires...
Oh.
>then I finally just got tired of the game.
You can always box them away, as I did. My cards sat idle for over 2 years
before I started playing again. And they're sitting idle again, after a couple
years of "fun" casual play.
>Now I have lots of cards, which we use occasionally. It would be
>pretty easy to make up a ton of different decks and then just sell off the
>rest of the cards.
True.
>I will agree, though, that going through the
>acquisition process again would just, well, suck...
Yup. That's exactly what people coming back in after selling say. And the
worst part is that if you sell your Unlimited cards, a lot of them will even
more difficult and expensive to re-acquire.
The nice thing is that there will always be a market for older Magic cards, so
you don't really need to hurry.
John Hwang
>John Hwang (johnhw...@cs.com.no.com) wrote:
>: Again, I think *your* drybrush *technique* (or lack thereof) is what's
>: destroying your brushes. It's not drybrushing in general which is doing
>:this.
>
>There is a bit of a difference in the phrase "can be hard on brushes" and
>"destorys brushes". The phrasing I originally used is the first, because
>it can certainly be hard on brushes. I swap my brushes around, not
>because they are getting destroyed, but because I like to replace brushes
>from time to time and then just rotate everything keeping the old brushes
>around for duty like drybrushing because that way it doesn't matter *what*
>happens to them in the process.
Oh. Sorry, I was reading in more than you intended.
>: Again, I've not seen this happen. Perhaps after another few years, I'll
>: change my tune, but in 3+ years of painting and drybrushing, I don't
>: see the need or effectiveness you claim.
>
>Whatever, dude. I didn't say it was an absolute necessity to do every 3
>years, just that I tend to *do it* every 3 years. I just like to keep my
>main painting brushes fresh and have the money to burn to buy new ones as
>often as I'd like...its that simple.
OK, that's fair.
Avatar
:
: You can always box them away, as I did. My cards sat idle for over 2 years
: before I started playing again. And they're sitting idle again, after a couple
: years of "fun" casual play.
Just realized that I didn't qutie type what I meant: I meant that I got
tired of the trading game, not the actual game itself and realized that
such was not easily inferred from my original comment.
I taught my wife magic and now we play just rarely enough that I have to
teach her again every time we play...:P
: Yup. That's exactly what people coming back in after selling say. And the
: worst part is that if you sell your Unlimited cards, a lot of them will even
: more difficult and expensive to re-acquire.
:
: The nice thing is that there will always be a market for older Magic cards, so
: you don't really need to hurry.
:
Way too true. After I got $250 for my first Black Lotus card, I thought
long about actually keeping any of my cards...;)
Avatar
The surfin dead
"Avatar" <ava...@netaxs.com> wrote in message
news:_5Fr9.837$Ve3.5...@monger.newsread.com...
> John Hwang (johnhw...@cs.com.no.com) wrote:
> : Yup. That's exactly what people coming back in after selling say. And
the
> : worst part is that if you sell your Unlimited cards, a lot of them will
even
> : more difficult and expensive to re-acquire.
> :
> : The nice thing is that there will always be a market for older Magic
cards, so
> : you don't really need to hurry.
> :
> Way too true. After I got $250 for my first Black Lotus card, I thought
> long about actually keeping any of my cards...;)
I got £70 for one of mine. I have seen some mad stuff in the unlimited magic
tournies, cards worth £50 torn up so bend a rule.
John Hwang
>John Hwang (johnhw...@cs.com.no.com) wrote:
>: You can always box them away, as I did. My cards sat idle for over 2 years
>: before I started playing again. And they're sitting idle again, after a
>: couple years of "fun" casual play.
>
>Just realized that I didn't qutie type what I meant: I meant that I got
>tired of the trading game, not the actual game itself and realized that
>such was not easily inferred from my original comment.
Ahh... Yeah, the whole trading thing sucks. I didn't do much of it. Too
time-consuming for too little reward. If I couldn't buy it, I'd do without.
>I taught my wife magic and now we play just rarely enough that I have to
>teach her again every time we play...:P
Hehe.
>: Yup. That's exactly what people coming back in after selling say. And the
>: worst part is that if you sell your Unlimited cards, a lot of them will
>: even more difficult and expensive to re-acquire.
>:
>: The nice thing is that there will always be a market for older Magic cards,
>: so you don't really need to hurry.
>:
>Way too true. After I got $250 for my first Black Lotus card, I thought
>long about actually keeping any of my cards...;)
Oh, yeah.